GN: And welcome back. We’ve got David Wilcock and, of course, we’ve got you as well. We’ll take phone calls with David next hour.

David, let’s talk a little bit about Disclosure. You truly believe, like Steve Bassett, it will happen? 

DW: I think it’s inevitable. You can’t hold the truth down forever.

What happens is that as a certain critical mass of people become aware of what’s really going on, it’s a fait accompli. This means it forces itself to happen just by the course of events that will naturally unfold.

Now, what seems to be the case is that the Powers That Be at the highest levels do plan on telling us. They do plan on revealing everything. But, as I said, they feel that if they did it before there was a massive population reduction, it would be catastrophic for the Earth.

GN: Out of control.



DW: Now, the thing I will tell you is that the Disclosure thing is not so nebulous.

We have one source, in particular, who has now heard [about Disclosure] from three different highly-placed sources in the intelligence community that he’s in contact with. These are people who don’t know each other and are not speaking to each other, but they do speak to him. They all have independently told him that a formal government Disclosure is being planned — [likely] before the end of the year.

They all had the exact same date for when this would happen, which I cannot say what it is. They all had the basic sequence of events that would happen. They’re all saying that the television time has already been booked internationally for a two-hour special. 

GN: And now… when you say you ‘can’t’ say the date? Or you won’t say the date?

DW: If I said the date, I could potentially be hurt, [laughs] so I’m not going to say what the date is.

GN: All right. But you know the date.

DW: I know the date.

GN: All right.

DW: It’s before Christmas but after where we are now. It’s definitely… As I said, the television time has been booked.

If this does happen, it’s not just going to be something where we are told that this is true. It’s going to be, “Hey, this is true — and let me introduce you to several different members of these other human species who are out there who, incidentally, look very similar to us — with only minor differences.”

GN: And “Here they are”? [laughs]

DW: Yes. And here they are. They can speak telepathically, but they can also use the primitive-dialup-modem kind of speaking through their mouth.


GN: Let me preface this. I’m going to say that it’s highly doubtful, but [David laughs] what are the possibilities that you are a tool of the Illuminati? You know too much, David.

DW: It’s possible. It’s always possible. I’m not going to be so arrogant as to expect that people would think I couldn’t have been manipulated.

What I will say, though, is that if you look at my website, and you look at the consistency of the positive message that I’ve been putting out there, and you look at how I’ve been recording my dreams for 17 years…

GN: Well that’s why I said it’s highly doubtful, but it is a possibility.

DW: You know, I think the bottom line is this: I’ve finally grabbed a lot of attention.

As we know, [George,] you’re going to be on this Syfy special. Richard Hoagland is going to be on it, I’m going to be on it. It’s called 2012: Startling New Secrets.

We now have an actual air time. It’s going to be Sunday, November the 8th at 9pm Eastern time — a two-hour special on Syfy. We’re all going to be involved in it — and it’s going to give a lot of this kind of information about 2012 that I’ve been sharing on the show.

I apparently am one of the most present people in the documentary, in terms of how much time I get. So I’m attracting attention.


DW: I also have a major book contract with Penguin, one of the biggest publishers…

GN: They’re huge.

DW: Yeah, to write the book 2012 Enigma. The president of Dutton Books, who is also the editor and publisher of Eckhart Tolle, was the one who contacted me. His name is Brian Tart.

He actually feels that my work is on par with Eckhart’s, and that it deserves to be as popular as Eckhart’s.

GN: That’s pretty dramatic, David.

DW: So yeah, the assets of that company are going to be going into promoting this.



DW: I also can now announce that the person I’m doing my film Convergence with is the same guy who wrote the movie Contact. His name is Jim Hart.

Jim is an A-plus Hollywood screenwriter. I’m telling you, if we can get this film made – and I think we will – it is going to be the most mind-blowing Disclosure film, on par with Close Encounters or Matrix or anything like that, that you’ve ever seen. It’s going to be totally incredible.

GN: You’ve been plugging away at this for a long, long time.

DW: Absolutely. I’ve definitely come up through the trenches. I spent years and years in abject poverty.

Finally I have some financial stability now, and I thank everybody out there who goes to conferences and orders products. This is what keeps us going.


DW: And I just want to say that we are able to have very spontaneous changes happen. 9/11 DID HAPPEN, okay? It did happen.

You’re sitting there one day and it’s September 10th. Then, all of a sudden, the whole world is upside-down. So, very major, very unusual and very outrageous things can occur – it doesn’t always have to be negative.

It seems to be impossible to believe that a Disclosure could actually happen. That the President of the United States would get on television for two hours, sit you down and basically tell you: “Okay. Look, human beings didn’t just evolve on Earth. We don’t know if we were here first, or they were here first or what, but here’s several of my closest friends from other planets to introduce themselves to you.”

GN: [laughs] And they come rolling out. It’s probably Cheney in costume.

DW: [laughs] He doesn’t need a costume.

GN: You really think that’s going to happen? Like that?

DW: Well, I’m not going to stake my whole reputation on it, but look, it all lines up.



DW: When the negative side is about to be defeated, they get really stupid. Think about Napoleon’s Waterloo — or think about Hitler’s [winter march on] Stalingrad.

What ends up happening is they make dumb moves. They do things too fast without planning it through. This is what they’re doing with the swine flu thing. You know, it’s like, “Well, we ran out of time — if this Disclosure is going to happen.”


DW: I mean, I just want you to grok [Ed. note: fictional word meaning “comprehend” from Robert A. Heinlein’s Stranger in a Strange Land] the fact that, if the truth comes out, it is bigger than the foundation of Islam; it is bigger than the foundation of Christianity. At the time, those events only reached several hundred thousand people.

This would be the biggest event in human history; the most spontaneous shift that humanity has ever seen. Everything that’s being talked about on the nightly news right now would pale to insignificance.

Guys like you and me are going have the phone ringing off the hook. They’re going to want us on every show. That’s not the focal point. The [deeper] point is that everything is going to change in such a dramatic way.

Everybody listening to this has probably had that experience where they first started to get over the tipping-point and realize, “Hey, maybe this stuff is true.” Well, imagine what would happen if the planet is told. Imagine how bad that would be for the controllers — because what they’re seeing is the loss of their ability to be seen – basically by themselves – as the gods of the Earth.

GN: All right, well let’s go through a scenario here, David.

DW: Okay.

GN: That all the masses are still here.


GN: I want you to tell us, in your own mind of course, if Disclosure occurs when we’re all on this planet still – nothing’s happened to the masses – what happens to us? How do we react?

Explain what happens to economies, to world governments, to religions. Just go through it from the announcement stage.

DW: It’s so vast and there’s so many probability vortexes it’s hard to really nail it down.

I will say that it’s going to rock the foundations of the world.

I would say that we will have some very dramatic economic changes, which probably are not negative.

There will probably be a fair number of people who will be so stunned that they won’t want to go to work for a while, but I don’t think that’s going to be a long-term problem. I think that’s one of the things the planetary elite is the most concerned about — that the people would just stop working.

But I do think that it’s going to be such a massive change that any movie that has been made before this happens, any television show that was written before this happens, any magazine, any website that was written before this happens — will become irrelevant on some levels.

GN: All outdated.

DW: Because everything that we ever say, everything that we ever think, will be completely based on this.

If we know that there are other humans out there and that we’re not the only game in town, and we suddenly realize that aliens are not these scary horrible insect-like creatures but [rather] people like us, it means our family is a lot bigger than we think.

I think in many ways it would reaffirm faith and world religions. Now you realize that every ancient religion has reports of people who look like us, who can do very amazing stuff, and come here and basically teach us how to live more virtuous lives.


GN: Well, David, what if they don’t look like us? What if we look like them?

DW:  Well, it becomes six-of-one, half-a-dozen of the other. Once you get into the science that I’m going to talk about on the television show on Syfy, and in the movie, and in the book 2012 Enigma, you’re going to see that the galaxy itself is responsible for writing the code of DNA — and the human design is a galactic intelligent design.

GN: I think you’re absolutely right. As a matter of fact I was telling Seth Shostak from SETI many months ago, and then many years ago locally when I was talking with him, that the primordial soup in the universe is the same all over the place.

DW:  Absolutely. There’s so much evidence that supports this. That’s going to become the dominant thing that everybody’s going to look at.

GN: There are dogs, there are raccoons, there are people, there are similar creatures on other planetary systems.

DW: I mean, think about it. Everybody’s going to have pants; everybody’s going to have socks, underwear; everybody’s going to have shirts, probably button-down shirts. There’s going to be a lot of similarities.

They’re going to have musical instruments – brass, woodwinds, drums, guitars. These things become obvious.

In fact, things like musical instruments and things like clothing may be part of the mind of the Galaxy. It’s like we naturally tap in, just like animals instinctively know what the predators are. Even if they’ve never seen one before, they automatically crouch when the predator bird flies overhead. They just know.


GN: If they disclose, one of the questions I would ask – if they invited me there, let’s say – is: How did you get here? What form of propulsion system did you use?

Because if they have now developed an incredible propulsion system – and we know they did, whether they bend space and time – the point is that they’ve now created free energy. They’ve been able to tap into it.

And so my follow-up question will be: When do we start using it? When do we get free electricity, free fuel to heat? When do we get this? What will they say then?

DW: It’s bursting out at the edges already. There’s a technology invented by Paul Pantone called GEET, [spells] G-E-E-T.

GN: Yes. We had Paul on the show.

DW: Oh, you did? Okay, I didn’t know about that.

GN: When he got out of jail, yeah.

DW: Yeah. I mean, you can run an engine on 80 percent water, 20 percent gas, with very, very little modification. [Dr. Pete Peterson informed us that Pantone was in jail because he had defrauded thousands of people out of many hundreds of thousands of dollars, and never once built a true, working device. Peterson thinks it is highly unlikely that Pantone’s latest technology works either, and asked us to mention this.]

The fact is that free energy technologies have existed for a long time. There are actually other guys who have invented 100 percent water/hydrogen engines that don’t need any gas.

We have plenty of technologies. I’m personally aware of free energy inventors who have devised systems that don’t even have moving parts – they just sit there and they work.


DW: The fact is the only reason why this stuff hasn’t gotten out there is because the faction that’s on the American side, the so-called New World Order Rockefeller side, has been actively going around killing everybody who tries to get this out there — and/or buying them off, and/or threatening them and making them shut up.

GN: Did you hear that the head of part of the financial wing of the Rockefeller group killed himself a few weeks ago?

DW: Yes. This is the kind of thing. Yes, it’s a very good point, George. Thank you for mentioning that.

GN: It’s a bizarre story and there’s been no follow-up anywhere, David.

DW: Well look, again, all this stuff is happening because we’re right on the verge of them having a major defeat. I’m aware of three completely different scenarios in which Disclosure could happen at a major, major level.

Even in your opening announcements, you were talking about the Rendlesham Forest sighting, and how the UK is now putting it right on the front page of their magazines and stuff: “Hey, Rendlesham might have been a tourist from an extraterrestrial civilization just stopping by to pay us a visit.”

So, they’re doing as much as they can to get people ready so that, when the truth is revealed, society will basically hold together.


DW: Now, I think if Obama were to make this announcement on national television, and it goes all over the world and if he introduces us to these other people…

GN: Well, why do you think it’ll be just him? Why not done on the level of the United Nations with all leaders?

DW: It could be. Yeah, it’s a horse race. It’s going to be somebody. At this point I think it’s really a question of who wins: who gets to break the story first.

I’ve heard of three completely separate ways in which Disclosure could happen. One of them I really can’t say anything about at all because I’d be getting in major trouble. But let’s say that…


GN: David… David, you’re already in major trouble. [David laughs] You’ve said too much already.

DW: It’s funny because I had one of these very high-ranking witnesses staying in my house over the last two weeks. We were talking about this stuff in the house. Then my housekeeper was there.

[As I said before, in response to ridiculous attacks, I rent a house, and her services are included in the rent. The owners want to make sure their asset does not drop in value by any oversights in how clean it might be kept, particularly since it still has their parents’ furniture and other possessions in it. She has been working here every other week since it was built in the 1980s.]

She flushed the toilet in the upstairs guest bedroom, which hadn’t been used in a while. Water just started pouring out of the kitchen ceiling — just pouring out.

And it turns out that the entire… it’s an iron pipe about four inches wide that comes out from the toilet.

GN: It broke. It cracked.

DW: It busted open like a banana. Now, iron doesn’t do that. [The pipe had worked fine only two weeks before, and it seemed very unlikely that such a huge break in the pipe could have developed in such an extremely short period of time. There were no major temperature or humidity changes to account for such a sudden change.]

GN: Welcome to home ownership, David.

DW: But…if it was a message, somebody saying, “Stop the leaks”, you know, “Don’t leak the crap”, so to speak.

GN: Well, it could be a ‘coincidence’. Of course, you know I don’t believe in that.

DW: Well yeah… it was a funny coincidence. You know, the universe has a sense of humor.


[Here’s a photograph of the wall having been smashed out in order to repair that whole length of pipe. The area in question is about five feet wide. This was taken after the new iron pipe had already been installed, as you can see — I was not at home when the old one was taken out.]


[Here is a second photograph of the area to the immediate left of the above, where most of the water ended up draining out — again requiring a hole to be smashed through the ceiling to find the problem. This first hole was what led the workmen to discover how big the break really was:]



[During the time this initial repair was conducted on the pipe, I was away from home with the same witness at a very important meeting. Over a nice home-cooked dinner and some very intriguing and sensitive conversation, I suddenly heard a quick, high-pitched cracking noise right nearby. I asked anyone else if they heard it and some did.

A few minutes later, while I was eating, I pushed gently on the upper left area of my plate with my fork, and it just fell off to the side along a big crack, completely without a sound! I immediately took a picture of it from two different angles. The plate was perfectly intact when I was served, of course:]



[Here’s the same plate from a direct top-down view. Strangely enough, there wasn’t a single extra chip or piece of the plate that came loose — the break was perfectly clean:]



[The second demonstration here was obviously meant to underline that someone was making these things happen deliberately — very likely with a torsion-field technology of some kind that can cause simple breaks to occur.

I have never been interested in revealing anything that would damage national security — and there have been no more of these types of destructive incidents since it became clear that I was not going to disclose what I was hearing, since it’s not centrally related to our spiritual growth or evolution anyway.

Of course skeptics will think I hoaxed this. Please. As a renter I’d have some major legal expenses to contend with if I decided to smash up my ceiling just to try to look cool on the Internet. Notice I didn’t make a big deal of it and didn’t post these pictures until now, over two months after the fact.

Just as a matter of procedure, let me state for the record that I am absolutely not suicidal, and never will be. If something ever happens to me, there is an incredible wealth of information on this site that can be further developed and promoted to help the planet. I’m sure lots of people will immediately claim they are channeling me, and my cosmic Inbox will be even more filled with messages…]



DW: But, no. I will say, without getting into any hot water here, that one of the ways this [disclosure] might happen would be from industry — a very large industry that would realize that if they were able to build these things, they could have a massive, massive, massive profit boom. They may be wanting to do a Disclosure just for the sake of how it would benefit them financially.

You also have to consider the fact that Benjamin Fulford, the former East-West editor for Forbes Magazine, came in contact with a group in Japan that claims to be part of an opposition force. I have been in contact with Fulford and I’ve actually spoken now to at least one of the people that is responsible for telling him the things that he heard.

GN: What do you mean “opposition force”? To the Illuminati?

DW: Opposition to the Illuminati / New World Order agenda.

GN: Well, that’s pretty risky on their part, don’t you think?

DW: Well, yes and no. I mean, they have a great deal of assets of their own. They have a very substantial militia, so to speak, and the ability economically and politically to effect great change.



GN: But I always thought, David, which people with unlimited resources — all of them end up the same way, that this becomes a game of power, of manipulating the human race. So I would question what their motives are, because I would think that they’d be in line with the Illuminati.

DW: Well, that’s like saying that if a kid goes out trick-or-treating, for every person who gives them Halloween candy, there’s going to be needles or LSD or PCP in the candy.

GN: No, no, no-no-no-no-no. I’m saying that there’s an evolution of wealth — and when people get to the point where they earn so much money, they don’t become – how should I say? – loving of humanity. I think they become evil.

DW: I would concur that in many cases that is the case, but I would also say that there are exceptions to everything. Any type of broad-stroke generality like that is fraught with logical errors. I think there’s always going to be exceptions.


DW: Most of the rest of the world really doesn’t want this genocidal, crazed initiative to take place. A lot of the other countries. These Illuminati / New World Order countries, the old white European monopoly, have stopped creating things of value. It’s all based on just, “Hey, let’s run the printing press”.

So, what’s happening is that in countries like China, [Russia,] India and [various countries in] South America, they’re actually creating value — they’re creating commodities. In so doing, they’ve now gained a dramatic economic advantage. They don’t have the same type of genocidal aspirations that people from these European countries at the highest levels do. It’s just a different mentality.

I think that especially if you look at the Asian mindset, there is a difference which is much more collective in its focus. They look at what’s going to benefit the collective more than just the individual.

GN: Well now you know why we call David Wilcock “The Thinker”. We’ll be back with more on Coast to Coast AM, including his thoughts on why he believes this DNA is the same everywhere throughout the universe. I’m George Noory. Back in a moment on Coast to Coast AM.