Monday 9 / 8 / 08
David’s father Don Wilcock has interviewed almost every known talent in the music industry. See what happens when he interviews one of the world’s most popular mediums!
MUCH MORE ON THE WAY
Our full time is currently being devoted to a political piece, as there is a great deal of suppressed behind-the-scenes information that needs to be considered when viewing this Republican train-wreck in progress. The mainstream media does not want to extend you the pleasure of seeing what a fiasco it really is.
Regardless of what a very small but disturbingly prolific minority of writers in the Internet conspiracy media circles are saying, the top levels of the corporate media / business world are terrified of the housecleaning they would endure if Obama wins the election.
In my intuitive viewing of potential futures, I get almost no strength whatsoever on any probable reality where Sarah Palin remains a public figure for any length of time. That might still change, but it seems unlikely based on the consistency of the data.
This could mean she drops out before the election — as in the next piece you will see how McCain did, in fact, completely subvert the party machinery and made a ‘maverick’ decision. The Rove faction wanted Romney and the Israeli faction wanted Lieberman.
Regardless of the media spin and ridiculously fake and rigged “polls” showing the race is neck-and-neck, the reality is McCain made a catastrophic and ill-informed mistake — which all but guarantees no one but right-wing fundamentalist Christians will vote Republican.
This faction of the American public does not have enough numbers to actually win an election by itself — and a key element of the “dirty tricks” that stole the last two elections is no longer in effect. Hence, your next inoculation against media hype and BS is on its way as we speak, complete with a new audio blog.
DAVID’S FATHER STEPS TO THE PLATE
Don Wilcock has been David’s father for, well, all his life, as amazing as that must sound.
Don attended David’s keynote speech at the recent Dowsers International conference — the first time he’s ever seen such a talk — and was very impressed with the presentation, which we will likely be releasing as a free video some time in the next month or two.
Early in life, Don Wilcock volunteered to sign up for the Army Reserve and was activated and sent to Vietnam. This was where he cut his journalistic teeth writing about rock and roll music, during a time where this was a very dicey subject, for a paper at the largest military base in Vietnam. Only recently has he embraced this past enough to want to mention it.
David grew up going to an average of one or two concerts a month with his father, going backstage and meeting the artists. His father wrote up articles about the artists and they loved to be handed hard copies, which was the ritual that usually produced backstage passes.
David’s father had a pivotal effect on David’s writing ability, having him sight-read the latest column on paper while it was being read out loud even at quite a young age. David learned how to put words on paper that sounded like the author was talking conversationally — and that is one of the keys to effective writing.
In all the years of Don’s career as a journalist, he’s almost never veered from writing about music. He remains largely skeptical about metaphysical subjects but has opened his mind in recent years, partially through seeing concrete evidence of David’s abilities.
In one case David did a cold reading on someone Don knew well at a publishing house, and was able to tell this woman her life story and reduce her to tears with no front-loading whatsoever.
Don recently asked local newspaper if he could write a piece about Lisa Williams, a well-known trance medium who claims to talk to the deceased, since she is speaking this coming weekend at Proctor’s Theater in Schenectady, New York. He was invigorated by the scientific presentation he’d just seen David give and felt this might help him understand David’s ability more fully.
David considered this a ‘synchronicity,’ because his father had no idea that Lisa Williams was the only person who out-sold him in attendance and ticket sales at February’s Conscious Life Expo in Los Angeles.
David’s huge attendance numbers became a politically significant event, as the Expo featured a roll-call of all the biggest names in the UFO / metaphysics / Coast-to-Coast talk-radio crowd. We owe this breakaway success to the power of YouTube video, which has completely re-arranged the playing field in these ‘fringe’ subjects.
In this interview you will hear Don say that David was “completely wrong”, from a psychic perspective, about the time of his grandmother’s passing over. The Seth books talk about how as a person slips into senile dementia, more and more of their soul transitions to the afterlife — and it can get to the point where for all intents and purposes the person has died, but their body still retains a limited consciousness in its manifest physical form.
In summer 2006, David had his grandmother appear to him, tell him she had crossed over and give a substantial spiritual message nearly two years before her physical body died this past April, after a long illness and bout with dementia. The message, a private family matter, was highly personal and explained a great deal. David awoke in tears from the vast implications of what she said, her request for forgiveness, and how this had affected so many deep psychological issues in the lives of her children and grandchildren.
It was her own way of saying goodbye, and giving a message she never had the courage to say in her waking life. It led to a wonderful opportunity for healing and forgiveness. David relayed the message to his father at the time, but he didn’t believe any of it, since her physical body was still alive and the message was rather unpalatable. Not surprisingly, Lisa Williams picked up on this thwarted “goodbye” message during her interview.
We agreed to publish whatever Don wanted to write about this interview, in complete and unedited form… so without further adieu, let’s get down to business!
The gifts of the father….and of the son
By Don Wilcock
Nothing annoyed me more throughout my life than to have my mother tell me she didn‘t understand what I did or my father‘s negative body language whenever we discussed my passion — interviewing musicians, particularly African-American blues musicians.
Yet, I have found myself stumbling over describing what my son David does, and becoming as uncomfortable as my father when people ask me about David.
Do I say to them, “Oh, he‘s the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, and he‘s been on the cover of the supermarket tabloid The Examiner? ”
David has suggested I say that he‘s an intuitive counselor. To me, that‘s like defining Mick Jagger as a voice instructor.
I am particularly proud that David has been able to prove his grandfather wrong when Papa suggested to him that he would never make his way in this world with “merely ” a bachelor‘s degree in psychology.
But since I‘ve never measured my own worth by how much money I make as a writer, promoter, editor, founding President of The Northeast Blues Society, and former ad man for GE, I consider David‘s proving his grandfather wrong on that note to be of relatively small consequence, at least from a monetary measurement. His impact on the health and pulse of world culture is another matter.
One of the hats I wear is as an entertainment columnist for a local newspaper, the Record in Troy, New York. When I saw that medium Lisa Williams was appearing at a local theater, I thought interviewing her might afford me the opportunity of writing about psychic phenomenon which I believe in but…..there it is, my mother looking over my shoulder…..I don‘t understand.
I thought, too, that it might shed some light on better understanding David‘s passion. I had seen David give the keynote address at the National Dowsers‘ Association, and was very proud of him.
I know first hand how difficult it is to hold an audience‘s attention, and for him to talk for three hours on a Saturday night in front of people averaging twice his age and get a standing ovation was quite a feat, regardless of topic.
I decided to talk to David and my psychic friend Karen Rossetti before I did the interview with Lisa. One time when I admitted to my son that I didn‘t understand what he does, he responded by addressing what we used to call in advertising “the receiver. ” I was the receiver, and David put what he does in terms that I as the receiver would understand.
He said, “I‘m a product of my upbringing. You, my father, are intuitive in your interviews, and I apply those same skills as an intuitive counselor. ” Okay, I get it. I also learned talking to Karen and David that there is much discomfort in this field.
It‘s not easy having a majority of the population thinking you‘re a “wack job ” to use Lisa Williams‘ term for it, especially your father. I know how terrible my father made me feel. I certainly don‘t want David feeling that way, but I can see how he would.
David‘s mother used to quote a saying that writing is like tattooing soap bubbles. Writing about music is particularly tricky, but writing about someone who has seen dead people since she was three years old is out of the park!
I was excited about trying to capture what Lisa Williams was about, but I‘m restricted to roughly 700 words in The Record, and I wanted more space. David suggested that I allow him to publish the interview on this website. Fantastic!
Here, my “receivers ” are people who don‘t think people like David Wilcock and Lisa Williams are wack jobs. On the other hand, what a challenge. I‘m addressing people… you… who know more about this subject than I do, AND I get to show my son that I‘m making an effort to reach out to him and “understand. ”
Here, then is the interview complete and unedited. After that, is the piece I wrote for a general audience in The Record. If anyone would like to comment to me directly, I can be reached at [email protected].
Don Wilcock: Don Wilcock.
Lisa Williams: Hi, Don. It‘s Lisa Williams.
DW: Hi, how are you today?
LW: I‘m great. How are you?
DW: Well, I‘m very excited to be talking to you. I don‘t know if the message got through to you, but my son is David Wilcock, who is a psychic and lectures around the world.
LW: Oh, wow.
DW: In fact, he spoke at the Conscious Life Expo in L.A. at the same time you did this year.
LW: How interesting.
DW: Plus, one of my friends is a psychic. Sometimes before I do interviews I talk to her, and she gives me insights into people‘s lives. I don‘t know where she gets her insights from.
DW: I‘ve been doing this for 40 years, and I‘ve interviewed 7000 people, but they‘re almost all in the music field. My son has tried… I never understood what my son did.
DW: But at one point he said to me, “Where do you think I got it from, Dad? ” He says, “You try to use your intuitive powers to ask questions that no one else asks people, and that‘s really part of what I‘m about. ”
DW: And all of a sudden it started to make sense to me.
LW: Yeah, until it‘s pointed out, it doesn‘t make any sense. That‘s the crazy thing. I often question where I got mine from. Mine was my grandmother. It‘s crazy. That‘s so interesting.
DW: How similar or different are your talents than your grandmother‘s?
LW: They‘re very…well, from what I remember, we really didn‘t discuss it. It was a big taboo subject in the family.
LW: Oh, God, yes, yes, yes.
DW: How old were you when she died?
LW: I was 22 or 23. I think I was 23.
DW: And you never discussed it?
LW: It got discussed when we were a little bit older. In fact, she read for me when I was about 20, but other than that…
DW: Did she know that you had her talents?
LW: Oh, yeah. She did. She did, and she kept telling my mum, and she kept telling everybody she met. But really it was a very very taboo subject. My grandfather didn‘t like it. My father didn‘t like it, the whole thing. So, it was very, very taboo.
DW: Well, my friend Karen‘s husband says to her all the time, “Well, if you‘re psychic, why don‘t you give me the numbers, so we can be rich?
LW: I know. I know. It happens all the time. All the time!
DW: You told one interviewer your gift was discovered at age 7 as “a party trick that freaked people out. ” What was that experience?
LW: Yeah, really. I‘ve been seeing dead people from the age of three, really, but yeah, I did. I used it as a bit of a party trick at one point. This experience was… we had a sleep over with a friend of mine and literally I… we were just messing around. We were talking about the supernatural and ghosts and things like that, as you do on a sleep over.
Then we started to just mess around with a set of playing cards, to see who could guess which card we were holding up. I just so happened (to be) positioned where the light was shining through the bedroom window, and I could… it made the cards translucent, transparent.
So, anyway, I could see each card. She said, “I don‘t believe you. I think you have a gift. ” And I‘m like “What‘s a gift? ” And then, I had a row of books, and she said, “I think I‘m going to hold onto a spine of a book, and I want you to guess which one it is. ”
I basically said, “Well, you hold onto the spine of the book. I‘ll hold onto your other hand. ” Somehow the energy traveled, and I got each book right — eight times! It was crazy. It freaked me out. So, it just became a trick that I used to do.
DW: When you started out with the cards, it was a trick. You were actually seeing through the cards.
LW: Oh, yeah. It was completely —
DW: So, you had no idea you were going to be able to pull this off in reality.
LW: Yeah, absolutely.
DW: How shocked were you by that?
LW: I was completely freaked out. In fact, that night we couldn‘t even sleep. My mum came in. It was like, “Oh, what‘s going on here, girls? ” And they (had left us up) and it was, yeah, it was really scary.
DW: I‘ve interviewed, I want to say, several hundred — that may be exaggerating, but I have interviewed at least 100 artists who had hit singles who have said to me they came to them in the same way that that energy was transferred to you.
DW: They were written whole, and all they did was copy it down.
LW: And that‘s true.
DW: Where does that come from?
LW: Well, you see, I know a lot of people who are like that — certainly musicians — and it comes. It‘s like it‘s channeled to us. We are given some piece of information we have to do something with, and that‘s exactly the same.
It‘s like we all have a spirit guide, and our spirit guide comes to us, and they give us pieces of information that will help us, and it‘s just a channeled piece of information. That‘s simply what it is.
DW: Now, my son tells me… and Karen says the same thing… that all of us (have this gift). I would say I have some of this talent because I‘m getting stuff out of people that‘s like…what I say it is they tell me things they wouldn‘t tell their own mother.
DW: And I think that‘s a gift.
LW: Oh, I agree.
DW: But all of us go through these horrible self-doubts. Have you had that?
LW: Absolutely. I think it‘s only normal for us all to have self-doubts. I walk away sometimes from a show saying, “Oh, I‘m no good, ” or I walk away from a reading thinking, “Oh, that wasn‘t good. ” But actually then people come back and say, “I didn‘t react because I was so blown away! ” That happens all the time. Everybody self-doubts himself. It‘s only human.
DW: How do you overcome them?
LW: I‘ve always had this old saying, “You‘re only as good as your last reading. ” And I am. I‘m only as good as my last reading. If my last reading wasn‘t very good, I go on to the next and I make sure I get better. It‘s just a matter of having positive energy and positive thoughts, and you just have to believe what you‘re getting.
DW: I‘m always afraid that when I go in to do another interview or write another piece, that it‘ll be gone.
DW: Yeah, I‘m a workaholic, and so is my son. Oh, my God.
LW: Yeah, I am the same.
DW: And it‘s like if I take a day away, or if I take a week away, (I think) is it still going to be there?
LW: Yeah, usually I have that same fear.
DW: You do?
LW: Yeah, absolutely.
DW: When you put on your cap, as you told one reviewer, are you able to consciously shut it down and concentrate on your family?
LW: Oh, completely.
DW: How do you do that — and how scary is it to put on the cap?
LW: Oh, it‘s not scary at all, because probably later one in the day it will come off. I am a workaholic, but what I do is I make sure I dedicate my time equally between my work and my family. I have a set… it‘s almost like I have to follow a schedule. As soon as my son gets home from school, that‘s family time.
LW: As soon as he goes to bed, if my husband doesn‘t mind, that‘s my work time again. So, I have to really just manage my time, and I trust in myself the fact that they‘re not going to go away.
DW: So, you compartmentalize.
DW: I find as a creative person that it took me decades to learn how to do that.
DW: At first, in fact, I even did… I was an elder in the church, and I gave a sermon about this one time about how when it comes to you… I‘m 64. I remember when rabbit ears were on TVs and in order to get the reception, you had to put aluminum foil on the rabbit ears to adjust them in order to get a good image.
DW: And I use that analogy as to how an article is coming to me or when I‘m trying to zone in on a person I‘m trying to interview. I couldn‘t put that into a compartmentalized time for decades, and I was finally able to do that. You‘re only 35. How were you able to do that so young?
LW: I‘ve always been able to do it, and for me it‘s learning the art of detachment. You have to detach yourself, in a way. Just like I can get too emotionally involved in a reading, I have to detach myself.
For me it‘s always been a natural thing for me to do, whether it‘s been my upbringing, whether it‘s the whole English side, I don‘t know, but I‘ve always been able to do it. It‘s just something I‘ve always been able to have, and I‘ve never struggled with it.
DW: You have more of a gift than I have, then!
LW: Ha, ha!
DW: I was in advertising for a while, and coming up with the headlines was brutal. Finally I just relaxed and said, “Put it in a certain place in your mind, walk around and do whatever you‘ve got to do, and when it comes, you‘d better pay attention.”
LW: Yeah, absolutely, and that‘s the thing. That‘s exactly the way. Sometimes, if you try too hard, you never get that.
DW: Yes, yes.
DW: Did it take you a while to get to the point where you were comfortable among people?
LW: What? Doing readings?
LW: Yeah, and it‘s still growing now. There‘s still times I‘m not comfortable with it. Sometimes people will say to me, “So, what do you do for a living? ” And I‘m like “Uh-uhm, ” and I question. I know when I can and can‘t say anything, and sometimes I get really embarrassed by what I do.
I don‘t think “embarrassed ” is the right word, but I get very self-conscious because I know not everybody will believe. I also know people will just say, “Oh, what do you see around me? ” And it‘s like, “Well, you just leave me alone. ” I‘m very cautious about who I tell and who I don‘t tell.
DW: Yes, David said you had a four-man security team around you at the Conscious Life Expo.
LW: Yeah, I did.
DW: Why do you do that, and does it work?
LW: Actually, I had my own security who followed me. There‘s several reasons, but basically at that point I had a threatening situation because you‘re in the public eye. People want to get at you, and I had a bit of a situation that can cause a problem.
I have security wherever I go, and certainly at these live events because we do not know who is going to turn up, and who is going to try and call you a wack job and everything else. It‘s really difficult, and I‘ve been in venues where I‘ve literally walked through, and if I didn‘t have security I‘d have been pulled into a crowd, and I just can’t get out.
DW: Yeah, that‘s happened to my son.
LW: It‘s crazy. It really is very, very crazy.
DW: I finally went to see him. He‘s 35, and I‘d never seen him give a talk. He gave a talk to… I may get the title wrong… but it‘s the American Society of Dowsers.
LW: Okay, yeah.
DW: There were like 200 people my age with beards and new age paraphernalia all sitting around. I‘m thinking to myself, “Oh, my God. My kid‘s 35, and he‘s gonna have to get up in front of these people. They‘re gonna eat him alive.”
DW: Right? And he held them for three hours.
DW: Then he got a standing ovation.
DW: So, I had a new respect for what he does. But even as his father and even as somebody who is in the field, it‘s hard to grasp what people like you and he are doing.
LW: Uh-huh, yeah.
DW: And as a writer, the way I‘ve come to grips with it is that I don‘t think there‘s any language that I as a writer could use to describe what you guys do, because we see only a fraction of what your vision is, and what comes to you.
I feel like we‘re all seeing maybe 10% of what‘s available to us. It‘s like trying to read an old manuscript that‘s been in a tomb for 2000 years. It‘s in a different language, and they see the world from a different place than we do. Whatever it is, we‘re only getting part of the story.
LW: Completely, absolutely.
DW: You agree with that?
LW: Yeah, I agree. And people are so needy. That‘s also another reason why you get into that place where people want so much, and it is threatening. You have to be careful how much you give out to people because the more you give, the more they take. You become… not a dangerous situation, but you become in that situation an unknown, or something you‘ve never dealt with before.
DW: What was the most threatening situation you‘ve even been in? When did you feel the most vulnerable?
LW: Uh, you know, I have done it a couple of times. Certainly in live events. I felt very vulnerable when I‘ve been in a situation. I‘ve actually gone into the audience where people need so much, and it‘s weird because you walk up the aisles, and people grab at you. People just grab you.
LW: Because they want some of your energy, and it‘s not bizarre, but it is. It‘s very strange, and it took me a long time to get my head around it. I‘ve really put myself in many very vulnerable situations over the years.
I‘m not a scared person. I don‘t get fearful at all, but I suppose there have been times where people have probably demonstrated outside a theater because I‘ve been playing, saying I‘m doing evil work. There‘s so many situations, but really it‘s just… I don‘t get worried by it. I really don‘t get worried by it at all.
DW: Energy is really what it‘s all about, isn‘t it?
LW: Completely, completely.
DW: My son‘s studies are about how thought processes can affect physical things.
DW: If we can convince more people in the world to think positively and to think about the glass of water being half full, as opposed to being half empty, then we can have a way more dramatic impact on what happens to us than the majority of people think.
LW: Oh, I agree.
LW: Yeah, I definitely agree.
DW: I agree, too. Does it piss you off that Lifetime TV calls you “entertainment? ”
LW: No, because in a way it is entertainment. Even in England now you have to consider it as entertainment purposes. Even if somebody came for a reading, you have to give them a disclosure to say, “This is for entertainment purposes only. ” So, really it doesn‘t annoy me, but….
DW: It‘s so far from the truth, though.
LW: It is so far from the truth.
DW: And the same thing with Christians. I consider myself a Christian, but a lot of Christians I talk to, when I start telling them about my son, it‘s almost as if they want to put up the cross and put a stake in my heart.
LW: Of course.
DW: Why is that, do you think?
LW: It‘s funny because I blogged about that last night. It says in the Bible that you‘re not supposed to be… that what we do is evil, and everything else. I‘ve had an argument with priests and religious people with it. Then, on the other hand, I‘ve also had priests and the head of the Christian choir come to see me for a reading. So, it‘s just people. Suddenly, you can‘t change people‘s viewpoints.
DW: Do you believe in God?
LW: I believe there is an entity around us that controls everything — whether we call it God, whether we call it spirit, the Holy Spirit or whatever it may be. Everybody has a different name for it.
DW: All right. How did Merv Griffin see you? Did he see you as entertainment?
LW: He must have (seen something) because he wanted to create a TV show around me. So, he saw it as something….I don‘t think he ever used it as entertainment. He never saw it as “Lisa has this amazing thing that‘s a party trick. ” Really how he saw it is he found it so fascinating.
He just said, “Okay, I think people are going to be interested in this. I want to create a TV show around you. ” Okay, great! Why not? So, really, he was very respectful of my gift, completely embraced it, and he just created some… He had a gift in himself where he could just take something people were interested in, and create a show for entertainment.
LW: Which is what he did for me.
DW: Yes. We talked earlier about artists and channeling hit songs. Do you think the gift is an extension of everyone‘s intuitive powers, and is something we can work to develop?
LW: Oh, absolutely. You know, everybody has that psychic thought when they know the phone is going to ring, or they know when something bad has happened, or they know when their child has won an award or whatever it may be.
Everybody has that intuitive side. It‘s just looking for the signs, and really being able to spot them and being very open and aware. So, absolutely. It can be honed. It can be finely tuned.
DW: Do you have any suggestions for me as a writer and an interviewer in how to develop that skill?
LW: Well, the only thing I would ever say to anybody is to trust your instincts. Trust your gut instincts because it will never let you down. That higher force in you is actually telling you you‘re right, and it‘s all about self-belief.
DW: Yup, yup.
DW: I mean, you know that.
LW: Yup. But I‘ve seen my son do stuff that just takes my breath away, and the same with Karen. I took my son up to a printer one time. I‘m President of the Northeast Blues Society locally, and they were printing a newsletter for us. The wife of the owner of the company was fascinated by what my son did.
He looked at her and said, “I see a truck over your head, ” and her jaw dropped. She said, “We‘re on a hill, and we park cars over the top of our building! ” David also said it was a metaphor for her, for how she was under her husband‘s thumb.
DW: And she was absolutely blown away, because my son knew nothing about her.
LW: Absolutely, and that‘s the thing. It‘s all about….because what he‘s got is he gets symbols. It‘s all about how you interpret the symbols. Some people are more highly aware and highly in tune than others, and really we all have that ability.
It‘s like a singer. We can all sing. Some of us will only sing in the bath, because no one else really should hear it. Then the others are the karaoke singers that probably could be trained to become very well-respected singers. Then you have those people who don‘t think they have a gift, but once they start training, they then go on to become an opera singer.
So, we all have an ability. It‘s just everybody can only train and develop it to a certain level.
DW: And yet he was almost 100% wrong about his grandmother and my mother. [David felt his grandmother was going to pass away long before her physical body actually did.]
LW: Of course, because he‘s too close.
DW: Is that what it is?
LW: Absolutely. He‘s too closely involved, which is the reason why I always make a pact — I never read for family and friends, because I‘m too closely involved. My own personal thoughts, my own personal feelings will become mixed up in my own intuitive thoughts.
DW: Wow, that explains it.
LW: And that‘s the reason why.
DW: Wow, that‘s amazing. You just blew me away, which I guess is what you do every day, all the time.
DW: How do you deal with that emotion? You must be exhausted.
LW: I‘m okay with it. What still freaks me out is when people stop me in the street, look me in the eye and cry immediately. I‘m like, “Oh, my God. Why are you crying? I haven‘t even said anything. ” All I‘ve done is probably said hello or given them a hug, but a lot of people do have that reaction.
DW: Why are we so frightened by that? Why are we so frightened by what you do?
LW: I think it’s fear of the unknown, because really I could probably tell them things they don‘t want to hear.
LW: And that‘s what I think they‘re frightened of. They shouldn‘t be, because there‘s nothing to be frightened of.
DW: My mother died in April. Do you see anything?
LW: Hm, interesting. I don‘t, actually, ‘cause obviously it‘s the whole feeling of wearing many hats… and uh…and…uh, trying to concentrate on one thing and then doing the other.
LW: But did she have problems with the heart?
LW: Yeah, ‘cause I just thought there was a problem with the heart. She‘s very well and happy. She‘s very proud of you, ‘cause whatever you‘ve done, you‘ve helped her.
DW: Thank you.
LW: But she almost feels like she never got to say goodbye.
DW: Well, she did. She had this Do Not Resuscitate thing, and then she decided not to eat. I had to abide by her wishes and watch her waste away.
LW: Well, she feels like in a lot of ways she never got to say goodbye in the way that maybe she wanted to. I don‘t know if it was congestive heart failure ‘cause I just feel something was (vitally ill?).
DW: Well, she had breast cancer when I was 4.
DW: That was in 1948. She kept thinking she was about to die her whole life. It was this cruel joke, and I had to always get beyond those feelings from her to have a relationship with her.
LW: Yeah, but she‘s a great woman. She‘s very free-spirited, very fun, very lively. I really like her.
DW: Well, there was a picture of her. We made a brochure of her for the funeral, and it had a picture of her when she was 17. It haunts me because I still have a copy of it in the car, and I see it every time I get in the car. She was so free-spirited there, and to me she was always locked up… tight and anal.
LW: No, she‘s very free-spirited.
DW: Neat, neat.
DW: Neat. I should probably let you go. I promised….
DW:….Denise that I would only keep you for 20 minutes.
LW: That‘s okay. I just have another interview. Don‘t worry about that. (hearty laugh). I just have other interviews. We don‘t have to worry about them. We can talk.
DW: We can talk some more?
LW: Well, I‘ve got another interview in about five minutes.
DW: All right.
DW: I guess if I take anything out of this interview with you today… I struggle as a writer. What I want to do as a writer is always be able to say things that most people can‘t put into words.
DW: And probably my interview with you, and what I say about you is going to be one of the hardest tasks I‘ve ever tackled.
DW: There are no words to describe what you do in a way that most people would give any credence to.
LW: Yeah, absolutely. I completely understand that.
DW: Have you tried to do that? Have you tried to explain to skeptics what you do in a way that would turn them around, other than to simply blow their minds?
LW: You know, it‘s funny because I‘ve dealt with skeptics all my life. My father is very much a big skeptic ‘cause he can‘t touch it, and he can‘t quantify it, and he very much doesn‘t believe in religion, God, spirituality, the whole thing.
What I say to skeptics is, you know what? I‘m not here to change your mind. My job is to help those people who do believe, and to give a lot of people closure. For me to try and change people‘s minds, it‘s not about that. If you want to be open-minded enough to experience it, and to appreciate it and come and watch what I do, and maybe have your mind changed, then great. Come along.
DW: Do you sense that the mainstream media is starting to get it? I‘m seeing —
LW: Oh, yeah.
DW: — on things like “Good Morning America ” and some of these other soft news shows that they‘re talking about how ideas can effect the health of people, and it‘s not strictly physical.
LW: Absolutely. Absolutely! And I think really with people like myself, John Edwards, everyone else who is bringing it into the mainstream… I think it‘s so important that it is brought into the mainstream, because people are more aware now. We need to embrace this, finally, instead of keeping it behind closed doors where it was for many years. We need to just appreciate it.
DW: You do Reiki healing.
LW: That‘s correct, yes.
DW: And I had a little involvement in that 20 years ago. The person who got me involved said that it would help me with my energy and creativity.
DW: Can you address that issue, and then I‘ll let you go. You have another interview.
LW: You know, Reiki is just a form of healing. It‘s using the energy of the universe to help heal or to help inspire people. In regards to that, what they were trying to do was to help you tap into your creative side. Everybody who does this work, in some way, shape or form, is very creative. So, the more you can tap into the energy of the universe, or the external energies that are out there, the more creative you can be as well. So, that‘s the reason why.
DW: Uhm-hm. Well, my wife and I are going to come see your show.
DW: And it‘s been thrilling to talk to you today. That‘s all I can say.
LW: Well, make sure you come say hi.
DW: Well, I don‘t want to encounter your four security guards.
LW: No, no, no. It‘s not that bad. They‘re fine. (Laugh)
DW: Thank you, Lisa.
LW: You‘re welcome.
DW: Have a wonderful day.
LW: All right, fabulous. Have a great day, too.
DW: Bye bye.
LW: Take care, bye bye.
Troy Record article
Lisa Williams talks to the dead
By Don Wilcock
“I‘ve been seeing dead people from the age of three, ” says Lisa Williams, who presents a performance Sunday night at Proctor‘s Theatre in Schenectady billed “Lisa Williams Messages from Beyond. ”
The internationally acclaimed medium and clairvoyant recently published a book called Lisa Williams: Life Among The Dead, and Lifetime TV next year will air the third season of her show of the same name. It also is broadcast on three separate networks in her native England. The program is offered with a disclaimer that it is strictly presented as “entertainment . ”
Calling what Lisa Williams, John Edwards and other psychics like my son David Wilcock do as entertainment is like labeling a Pulitzer-prize winning novel a Walt Disney comic book. Some call it a sixth sense. This “gift ” is actually an extension of intuition.
“Everyone has that psychic thought when they know the phone is going to ring, or they know when something bad has happened, or they know their child has won an award or whatever it may be, ” says Williams. “Everybody has that intuitive side, and it‘s just looking for the signs, and it‘s just really being able to spot them and being very open and aware. So, absolutely, it can be honed. It can be finely tuned. ”
To people who do “tune in ” to their gifts, the essential element of this sixth sense is an energy. There is growing research that suggests there is a tangible connection between mental energy and physical energy, and that thought itself can move mountains, to paraphrase a popular clichÃ