Many people have written in saying our work stopped them from killing themselves. Though we cannot change what happened to Robin, we do have control over the choices we make in our own lives. Life is worth living and is a beautiful gift — no matter how it may seem.
PERSONAL REFLECTIONS
Like many, if not most people, I was shocked and deeply saddened by the news of Robin’s loss.
This is no ordinary tragedy. It strikes to the heart of everyone. Robin’s presence lives on in so many wonderful creative works that have touched our lives.
He brought us happiness, laughter and deep insight. The pain and triumph he could convey as a character was utterly believable and in the moment.
You always felt, when seeing him in a film, that everything he was feeling was absolutely real. He threw himself into each role utterly and completely.
As far as film actors go, he was a true legend — a star among stars. And he had managed to completely avoid the paparazzi hate machine tearing him down in public.
One central theme that keeps coming up is “Everbody loved him. How could a person loved by so many want to take his own life?”
Even now, two days after hearing about it, I still feel a variety of different emotions. I spent a good bit of time yesterday reading many different articles about him.
WORKING ON A SUICIDE HOTLINE
I worked as a staff trainee for the OASIS suicide crisis hotline through my entire senior year while getting a degree in psychology.
We were trained, through role-playing exercises, in how to handle a wide variety of worst-case-scenario situations — every Wednesday night.
A whole team of 12 people were crammed into a single dormitory room in Deyo Hall, knee to knee, as we learned how to talk people out of killing themselves.
On one special occasion, a much larger crowd was gathered — including people from other nights besides Wednesday.
It was very hot, crowded and claustrophobic. There wasn’t really enough oxygen, making it also a light-headed zone between living and dying, waking and dreaming.
I was singled out to do a grueling, one-hour-long role-play with the director. It was the worst experience anyone had ever had that year, by orders of magnitude.
He chose to make an example out of me in front of everyone.
YOU CAN’T WIN ‘EM ALL
In this role-play, his character was a man who had the opportunity to save his severely disabled sister from a house fire, but let her burn to death.
He was savaged by his own guilt. He let her burn because he didn’t want to take care of her anymore — as it had been ruining his life.
We had a whole formula of what you were supposed to do in a role-play — and we always followed it.
Every role-play ended in us running through the ten Suicide Assessment questions in some order, and then moving the caller in to Stage 3, where you make a referral to get them more help.
Every role-play ended in the would-be caller deciding not to commit suicide and accepting the referral. That was the script. That was what we did.
No one ever even imagined that there would be a role-play in which this formula wasn’t satisfied.
It was always just a question of how long you would take to “get to stage 3” — and how well you got there.
Normally a role play was about 10 to 15 minutes. A long role-play was 20 minutes. This one went on for an entire hour — and it was absolutely horrible.
The fact that I was going through this in front of a huge group of people, without enough air, feeling utterly humiliated in the process, only made it worse.
I WILL NEVER FORGET IT
The director was rude, hostile, interrupted me, completely refused to listen to what I had to say, and just kept saying “I want to kill myself.”
He made violent, psychopathic gestures of self-harming behavior and could not sit still as he ran through his plans.
His character felt that the only way justice could be served was to set himself on fire — for letting his sister burn when he could have saved her.
I was trying to understand what the heck was going on as this role play stretched on — longer and longer — and I couldn’t “turn” the person.
It was absolutely emotionally exhausting — and an incredible ordeal.
NOTHING CHANGED HIS MIND
Finally, after what seemed like countless hours of torture in psychological time, he ended the role-play — by saying he was going to hang up and burn himself to death.
“Nothing you have said to me has made me change my mind,” he said. “I am leaving now and I am leaving for good. I am going to burn myself to death.”
At least 30 people were in the room, witnessing the “example” that had been exacted upon me with such excruciating intensity.
They erupted into a cacophony of shocked chatter as soon as it was over. Everyone was moving, talking, gesticulating and freaking out.
Whatever precious quantity of oxygen was still left in the room by that point was quickly being consumed in a furious eruption.
What the hell just happened?
QUITE A SCENE
The volume level in the room skyrocketed. Everyone was talking, all at the same time. No one could understand what the heck had just happened.
The director — already a big and tall guy as he was — suddenly jumped up on a table, ducking his head to avoid hitting the ceiling.
He shot both of his arms out to the sides like an umpire making a bad call that everyone hated… and said,
“EVERYBODY SHUT THE F- UP!!!”
[90 percent of the students in my school were from New York — so “dropping the f bomb” was a fairly common occurrence in private conversation.]
It was quite shocking for the director of our program to jump up, flag us all down, scream and curse at us — with the F word, no less — after this grueling ordeal.
Although watching the role-play in that environment couldn’t have been enjoyable, being the subject of the whole ordeal was undoubtedly far worse.
I was completely wasted, emotionally and physically — and now he was up there screaming.
Everyone did indeed “shut the f- up.” What was he going to say?
YOU CAN’T SAVE EVERYBODY
“If you are going to do this work, you have to accept — deep down in your soul — that you can’t save everybody,” he said.
“Some people, you will give them your all, 110 percent, and at the end of that call they are still going to kill themselves.”
“You absolutely have to live with that fact. You have to be able to get on with your life.”
“If someone does this, it is their choice. You can try to help them, if they will even let you — but ultimately it is not your decision.”
“You can’t spend the rest of your life grieving about it or wondering what you could have done differently.”
“If you can’t deal with losing someone after doing your very best, then you shouldn’t be in this profession at all. Leave now. There’s the door.”
No one walked out.
I had been used as the scapegoat for a very powerful example that stuck with all of us for the rest of our lives.
LIFE IS WORTH LIVING
The tragedy of a loss like this is personal. Robin is woven into the very tapestry of modern life.
I haven’t seen all of his films. You probably haven’t either. But we’ve all seen enough to know and love this man.
No matter how dark the road may seem, no matter how difficult things may be, never give up.
Life is a precious gift. Life is worth living.
You are a beautiful and wonderful person. You are loved.
Never let anyone or anything challenge that deep knowing within you.
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In my 20’s i learned meditation (TM) and within 3 months, a lifelong Black Depression Totally Lifted, and i could see a Light at the end of the dark jungle i had inhabited –which i didn’t know how to get out of by myself.
i think a balancing=clearing of the autonomic nervous system, subtle bodies, chakras and chemicals and yes, Fears — all played an important part.
i suddenly felt positive and full of hope…which has lasted for many decades now, phew!
According to article below…Robin did NOT commit suicide…but autoerotic asphyxiation that went wrong:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=314716
In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna says to grief-stricken warrior Arjuna, who duty is to stand and fight the dark forces, many of whom are relatives and former friends, “You grieve for those for whom there should be no grief, yet speak as do the wise. Wise men grieve neither for the dead nor the living.”
The point being that no soul ever ceases to be, just changes form and continues its evolution. In the next verse Krishna continues, “There never was a time when I was not, nor you, nor these rulers of men. Nor will there ever be a time when all of us shall cease to be.”
When I first read this many, many moons ago, these words seemed baffling, even cold. But they warm my heart today.
In reply to #25 Radical Ryan 2014-08-14 09:54…
Radical Ryan I am very sad you think that way. I feel that ANY suicide, no matter who it is, is a great loss to all of us.
Even the ones on the negative path, if you can look at the bigger picture. They have valuable lessons that we all need to learn, so that we can grow!
Love & Light,
NAMASTE
One suggestion would be to have two sets of thumbs up & thumbs down in posts that include moderator comments. The first set would be for the original post, and the second set would be for the moderator’s comment on the post.
You could choose the post or the moderator’s comment, you are responding to. Everyone could be aware of which, you are replying to with the thumbs up or thumbs down!
This is one suggestion.
Love & Light,
NAMASTE
[quote [Quoting "Maunagarjana"]
Use medication if you have to, to buy yourself some time, but don’t think doing spiritual practices…are pointless.[quote]
I understand where you’re coming from, and I respect your opinion…but spiritual remedies don’t work for everyone.
Speaking for myself: I have tried everything from meditation to affirmations to yoga…with zero tangible results.
For me, medication isn’t merely “a way to buy some time.” It is a necessary evil–albeit a deeply flawed one.
I don’t know what truly causes depression. No one does. Perhaps it is purely chemical/genetic. Maybe, as you say, there are powerful forces at work.
Maybe both.
What’s undeniable is that a remedy–not well-intentioned but ineffective New Age platitudes–are needed.
Not a moderator, but as I understand it, the LoO is very black/white. The bit about there only being two paths, Service to Self or Service to Others is the Ra collective’s understanding, but not necessarily the definitive answer. The truth is much more grey.
We’re told that STS is negative and that evolution can only go so far with this service path, but all in all, what is it that’s being served? Is it not the Logos, subdivided into sub, sub-sub-logos, etc? There is no decision or action that is not self-ish, because we are all part of that one enormous self.
If it’s genuinely your choice and desire to move on from this realm, I, for one, support your decision. It’s yours to make.
I highly recommend for you the –daniel papers over at http://www.conscioushugs.com/daniel-papers/.
This is kinda “off topic” but, I thought it was worth sharing with everyone.
Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4WQty5e7Cc
When the jester ups and tops himself ;there’s trouble for the king.Strange how the jokers jinx stalled mid rail….17 and 7 souls abort.defences stand defences fall said the watchman of the fort.
“What’s true in our minds is true, whether some people know it or not.”
“Is that a kind of occupational hazard of soul-mates? One’s not much without the other?”
Like many Wanderers, I have dealt with depression (Bi-Polar), physical limitations and thoughts of suicide. But at the end of the day, the pain it would cause my children, family and friends would never make suicide an option. We all feel bad about Robin, but I also feel for his family and friends. They will deal with anger, guilt and grief the rest of their days. The polarity of the entire planet has dropped. For the bad guys, this was like taking out a 5 star general so I am sure Robin was under relentless physic attacks from negative entities to kill himself. And if you are not awakened, that must be so much more difficult to deal with. Archangel Michael would have made it a fair fight if Robin had only known to simply ask him for that protection.
“Death is nature’s way of saying YOUR TABLE’S READY.” Robin’s table was ready!
I’d mourn Robin’s Death if I wasn’t so busy celebrating the end of his suffering.
Depression I think is not just a psychological/neurological issue, but a spiritual one. So many of what are considered psychological disorders have roots in the various energy bodies. Learn to work on yourself and to heal yourself. Find ways to clear the energetic blockages in the lower chakras.
Use medication if you have to, to buy yourself some time, but don’t think doing spiritual practices like vipassana, yoga, tai chi, qi gong, prayer affirmations (statements of intention) and visualizations are pointless, passive ways to psyche yourself into feeling that things are okay. They are powerful tools for loosening the energetic knots that manifest themselves as psychological problems, and they are way to reconnect with your own higher spiritual nature. And that has the best chance of making a difference, imho.
Thank you David for addressing this issue. I remember when you addressed Michael Jackson’s death and brought new insight into the circumstances.
I have heard from other psychics who speak with those who have crossed over, in each case of suicide we are told that the deceased is ok now but realizes how much pain they have caused others in commiting suicide. They feel and know that pain and often feel great regret for their actions. Suicide whether a deliberate or indirect act such as drug overdose, is a cry for help. But like David said some have already made up their mind and in a case where they appear to call for help it is another way to project further blame and guilt onto others. Rest in Peace is for all whether incarnate or not incarnate.
TMS
A friend of mine killed himself. John was a guy who surprised us all when he hung himself; always had a partner, never without money, no one saw it coming and 10 years on we are all still sad at his passing… sometimes people just get up one day, decide they’ve had enough of this life and simply end it. As David has said above; you can’t save everyone, unfortunately.
Peace & Love & Light to us all.
Because of a trip to Vietnam I’ve spent my life in physical & mental PAIN & limitation. One day the drugs won’t work and I’ll be screaming in horrible pain and will be a suicide.
I’m not depressed just tired of the decades of bad pain, the isolation of being homebound, the lack of life. I’m tired and ready for the next adventure.
So many opinions about what to expect after suicide. Recently, “If you sit all day, don’t exercise, it hurts your heart, it’s literally suicide.”
Moderator, is The Law Of One black & white? No grey area? Difficult to move from my chair so what if my heart stops. Is The Law of One saying I should have taken more pain drugs and forced myself to move, but since I didn’t I have to come back and do another painful life? Or I end it after 40yrs. of intense daily pain do I have to do another lifetime of pain because I was too weak to handle it? What if I don’t handle the next life any better? Is there no compassion on the Other Side?
I laughed at Robin’s humor but I think that I loved the roles he played in his movies the most. My favorites are probably “Patch Adams” and “The Dead Poet Society” about (to me) the painful searching and then finding yourself. I hope that his roles helped me to do that but the truth is that I am still searching for and finding the path of a true human being who can both forgive and love and continue growing.
Ron
Dear David and Fellow Divine Cosmos fans,
Our son died of a heart attack exactly one week ago; he was found on his driveway. We are still in shock; he was 50 years old.
And shortly after, Robin Williams’ death was reported, and following him was Lauren Bacall’s death. I have no doubt there were many others dropping their earthly bodies during that time. Many people “decided” to leave…what was it about this particular time? Thank you for all you do in service to us, David. Blessings to you and your important work.
Pam
Why not? Pls give a logical breakdown of how you came to that conclusion
Each day many people take their own life. The “Hollywood” peeps aren’t immune to that… Not everything is a conspiracy unless you have gathered some verfiable facts to suggest it might not be suicide but murder or setup or so,…
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
“Long is the way / And hard, that out of hell leads up to light.”
–John Milton, “Paradise Lost”
Comments about alcohol addiction depression.
After 40 yrs of weekend warrioring the last 10 yrs were truly uncontrollable. The cycle of drinking to lift my spirits and then sinking back into deep depression because of inability to quit was unbearable until I discovered “The Sinclair Method” as described in Roy Escapa’s book “The CURE for alcohol addiction…”
This method uses the tablet form of Naltrexone, the opiate blocker that’s also used to reverse heroin overdose. This is not the same as the implant. Do the research to get the full details.
This method of treatment literally un-addicted me. It’s called “pharmacological extinction of addiction” Success rate is around 80%. Why isn’t this so well known? because rehab is Big Business and it would close down a lot of centers and put a lot of doctors out of business. (I had to purchase Naltrexone online) I hope this site brings this method into the public eye it deserves.
Thanks LightHealer for your comment and my thoughts exactly!
The “OTHER choice” that resonates in my heart…I really don’t want to bi-pass the enslaved system and reincarnate on my own to help fix the system either…I’m tired of this “programmed” physical existence and wish to be free to explore the too-long-hidden “real universe”!
Maybe… AFTER I’ve explored I’ll come back to Earth(as a free human) and help out…! I like choices!
If “balance” is considered at all – as to whether Robin’s final act of suicide is reason for him to reincarnate to “learn his lesson”…. then his actions and their influence on his friend and the whole Reeve family, and indeed the entire world consciousness – at the time of Christopher Reeve’s accident and paralysis – would by far tilt the balance of karma in Robin’s favor.
We will be judged (if that is what you believe) by the sum total of our experience on this earth plane – not for any single act or influence we leave behind. For even Jeshua, who became the Christ, did not lead a perfect life.
May the blessings be,
LTD
I haven’t felt so affected by a celebrity death for a while. Peaches Geldof dying so young already hit me this year, and now Robin ;-( imagine Robin felt the pain of the world very deeply, as well as his own pain. I’m so sad for his leaving and everyone else suffering on this wounded planet. Sending out love and peace and healing to all life xxx
Best article youve written (in my opinion)
Thank you.
Quote from #38 LightHealer:
That is a fantastic comment!! Thank you!!
If there is an evil force trying to spread negativity and chaos in the world – deliberate spiritual warfare – then we could seriously reinterpret what happened to Robin Williams (and indeed what is happening globally right now). I am personally of the mind that there is a type of subtle depopulation agenda that is working through all of this negative energy. A Satanic force that could also include high-tech weaponry (HAARP, Pine Gap etc). The key to the attempt for a type of spiritual take-over on the part of this demiurge is to create separation and lovelessness. So ask yourselves again: Did Robin Williams really commit suicide?
Partial quote from #27 Ken Sheetz:
Okay, IF Robin Williams (or anyone) committed suicide, I DO NOT AGREE with the need for reincarnation — rapid OR otherwise. I don’t buy it.
IF ‘The Law of One’ is misguiding us (after all, it is channeled material, then imagine the damage it is doing by convincing/guilting people into reincarnating!
I strongly feel that people are not at ‘risk’ unless they believe they are at risk.
As below so above why is this saying so known yet least understood?
What you think is what you need to come to understand. No thought, emotion or feeling is without an attachment.
Loose all your attachments, become vulnerable, become open, and what will come your way is always what you will need. BeLIEf is your experience and your personal lesson.
Robin taught us, [right] this moment, who we are if we care to see our reflection. No death, no pain, no laughter is without reflection.
Enjoy seeing yourself by the messages you wrote and thank you Robin for your lesson of one.
— still the hit counter says 11,111—
by the content of the article, i can’t help but wonder if there is something i need to look at.
thoughts?
Robin Williams was a really great comedian and actor. I will miss him. I was very disappointed when I heard the news about his death. He appeared very down to earth as a guy with that much fame. I grew up watching mork and mindy…loved the show as a kid.
Robin…you are out of this world but never out of our hearts.
Thank you for all the great pleasures you have given us.
– felt like checking back on divine cosmos about the last article, and i found this post about robin williams..
his passing has been with me, with all of us..
and i looked, hits on the article: 11,111 ….
I’m with Psion here…
No matter what the Law of One says, I’d say it’s ridiculous to choose a once-fits-all scenario as to what happens as a result of someone committing suicide.
What if the lessons were already learned? What if by some occurrence or acquired illness the person was simply unable to carry on any further except in a constant state of extreme discomfort and suffering? Don’t give me that it’s all happening as a result of Karma or any of that bull and they deserve it because that’s can’t always be the case.
There are countless instances, where family members deaths are drawn out far longer than they have to be with untold suffering, all loss of dignity and self where as the collateral damage on the family members and friends are immense.
What is wrong with letting go, accepting something with clarity and ending ones own pain and allowing others to do the same… perhaps you incarnated to do just that?
An intuitive I trust has said that Robin did not commit suicide, but was the victim of thugs entering for burglary; and that this will come out eventually, but not right away. I choose to hope that this is true, as it does not make sense to me that a man full of so much love would choose to leave his family and friends to suffer in this way.
Beautiful story, simply written. Exquisite. Thank you again!
You don’t have to worry about Robin Williams. Wherever that man goes swarms of angels go with him.
“No matter how dark the road may seem, no matter how difficult things may be, never give up.
Life is a precious gift. Life is worth living.
You are a beautiful and wonderful person. You are loved.”
I hate to be so negative…but, as someone who has suffered from crippling depression for decades, I can honestly say that these well-intentioned platitudes are ineffective.
Telling someone who suffers that “life is beautiful” or that they “should never give up” is about as effective as telling a cancer patient that cancer really isn’t so bad.
It’s easy to speak so positively from an outsider’s perspective…but when YOU are the one struggling for life day after day, it’s a completely different picture.
We–all those of us who suffer from depression–need a cure, not vague New Age-y slogans. Maybe Robin Williams’ death will finally prompt the search for effective treatment. But I’m not holding my breath.
I really feel for Robin Williams family and friends. They are going through a lot and will continue to do so for years. None of us knows what Robin was going through, although I had a thought as soon as I heard about his suicide that he had some kind of terminal disease. Reading wikipedia today, his wife said that he had been diagnosed with early Parkinson’s disease a couple of months ago but did not want to make it public. So, possibly he didn’t want to go through all of the treatments, degeneration and wanted his family to remember him as he was. That along with battling depression, and addictions does seem like it could be overwhelming. Ultimately, this last act of his may have been his way of caring, we should not judge harshly even though he ended his time here on earth. Love and good energy to all those who suffer on this earthly plane, for eventually we all do, some more than others. As Tom Petty says,”there ain’t no easy way out”.
Very confusing to me. Here’s my take — A few days before Robin’s death, I began having thoughts about his movie you have pictured here and Good Will Hunting, too. (Some thoughts about Lauren Bacall, too.) This confuses me because I have never had these about random actors who I have no personal affiliation with. Not sure what’s really taking place here, but I definitely feel a great loss. I feel that this particular space/time-time/space has a lot to do with it. I feel pharma has a lot to do with it, assuming overwhelming depression did play a role. Robin was an exceptional comedian and an exceptional actor. BTW, this morning his spirit touched me from the other side. He was smiling with that bright light of his and, of course, joking. He is happy and at peace. I wonder, was it really his choice to leave and did he attain a rainbow body of sorts? His is a wonderful spirit and is already missed.
It is apropos that David has pictured a scene from Robin Williams’ movie, What Dreams May Come (and my favorite of all his movies). When I first heard of his death, I immediately thought of this movie in which he visits the afterlife to bring his wife back after she had committed suicide. I kept thinking, after this movie, how could he want to leave, but, maybe so he could come back and start over 🙂 Maybe we will see him soon, maybe he will stay where he is, content with leaving our world behind. I loved him when he went, and I cried, because we had lost him, I had lost him. But, he will always be alive in my memory and yours for always.