Many people have written in saying our work stopped them from killing themselves. Though we cannot change what happened to Robin, we do have control over the choices we make in our own lives. Life is worth living and is a beautiful gift — no matter how it may seem.
PERSONAL REFLECTIONS
Like many, if not most people, I was shocked and deeply saddened by the news of Robin’s loss.
This is no ordinary tragedy. It strikes to the heart of everyone. Robin’s presence lives on in so many wonderful creative works that have touched our lives.
He brought us happiness, laughter and deep insight. The pain and triumph he could convey as a character was utterly believable and in the moment.
You always felt, when seeing him in a film, that everything he was feeling was absolutely real. He threw himself into each role utterly and completely.
As far as film actors go, he was a true legend — a star among stars. And he had managed to completely avoid the paparazzi hate machine tearing him down in public.
One central theme that keeps coming up is “Everbody loved him. How could a person loved by so many want to take his own life?”
Even now, two days after hearing about it, I still feel a variety of different emotions. I spent a good bit of time yesterday reading many different articles about him.
WORKING ON A SUICIDE HOTLINE
I worked as a staff trainee for the OASIS suicide crisis hotline through my entire senior year while getting a degree in psychology.
We were trained, through role-playing exercises, in how to handle a wide variety of worst-case-scenario situations — every Wednesday night.
A whole team of 12 people were crammed into a single dormitory room in Deyo Hall, knee to knee, as we learned how to talk people out of killing themselves.
On one special occasion, a much larger crowd was gathered — including people from other nights besides Wednesday.
It was very hot, crowded and claustrophobic. There wasn’t really enough oxygen, making it also a light-headed zone between living and dying, waking and dreaming.
I was singled out to do a grueling, one-hour-long role-play with the director. It was the worst experience anyone had ever had that year, by orders of magnitude.
He chose to make an example out of me in front of everyone.
YOU CAN’T WIN ‘EM ALL
In this role-play, his character was a man who had the opportunity to save his severely disabled sister from a house fire, but let her burn to death.
He was savaged by his own guilt. He let her burn because he didn’t want to take care of her anymore — as it had been ruining his life.
We had a whole formula of what you were supposed to do in a role-play — and we always followed it.
Every role-play ended in us running through the ten Suicide Assessment questions in some order, and then moving the caller in to Stage 3, where you make a referral to get them more help.
Every role-play ended in the would-be caller deciding not to commit suicide and accepting the referral. That was the script. That was what we did.
No one ever even imagined that there would be a role-play in which this formula wasn’t satisfied.
It was always just a question of how long you would take to “get to stage 3” — and how well you got there.
Normally a role play was about 10 to 15 minutes. A long role-play was 20 minutes. This one went on for an entire hour — and it was absolutely horrible.
The fact that I was going through this in front of a huge group of people, without enough air, feeling utterly humiliated in the process, only made it worse.
I WILL NEVER FORGET IT
The director was rude, hostile, interrupted me, completely refused to listen to what I had to say, and just kept saying “I want to kill myself.”
He made violent, psychopathic gestures of self-harming behavior and could not sit still as he ran through his plans.
His character felt that the only way justice could be served was to set himself on fire — for letting his sister burn when he could have saved her.
I was trying to understand what the heck was going on as this role play stretched on — longer and longer — and I couldn’t “turn” the person.
It was absolutely emotionally exhausting — and an incredible ordeal.
NOTHING CHANGED HIS MIND
Finally, after what seemed like countless hours of torture in psychological time, he ended the role-play — by saying he was going to hang up and burn himself to death.
“Nothing you have said to me has made me change my mind,” he said. “I am leaving now and I am leaving for good. I am going to burn myself to death.”
At least 30 people were in the room, witnessing the “example” that had been exacted upon me with such excruciating intensity.
They erupted into a cacophony of shocked chatter as soon as it was over. Everyone was moving, talking, gesticulating and freaking out.
Whatever precious quantity of oxygen was still left in the room by that point was quickly being consumed in a furious eruption.
What the hell just happened?
QUITE A SCENE
The volume level in the room skyrocketed. Everyone was talking, all at the same time. No one could understand what the heck had just happened.
The director — already a big and tall guy as he was — suddenly jumped up on a table, ducking his head to avoid hitting the ceiling.
He shot both of his arms out to the sides like an umpire making a bad call that everyone hated… and said,
“EVERYBODY SHUT THE F- UP!!!”
[90 percent of the students in my school were from New York — so “dropping the f bomb” was a fairly common occurrence in private conversation.]
It was quite shocking for the director of our program to jump up, flag us all down, scream and curse at us — with the F word, no less — after this grueling ordeal.
Although watching the role-play in that environment couldn’t have been enjoyable, being the subject of the whole ordeal was undoubtedly far worse.
I was completely wasted, emotionally and physically — and now he was up there screaming.
Everyone did indeed “shut the f- up.” What was he going to say?
YOU CAN’T SAVE EVERYBODY
“If you are going to do this work, you have to accept — deep down in your soul — that you can’t save everybody,” he said.
“Some people, you will give them your all, 110 percent, and at the end of that call they are still going to kill themselves.”
“You absolutely have to live with that fact. You have to be able to get on with your life.”
“If someone does this, it is their choice. You can try to help them, if they will even let you — but ultimately it is not your decision.”
“You can’t spend the rest of your life grieving about it or wondering what you could have done differently.”
“If you can’t deal with losing someone after doing your very best, then you shouldn’t be in this profession at all. Leave now. There’s the door.”
No one walked out.
I had been used as the scapegoat for a very powerful example that stuck with all of us for the rest of our lives.
LIFE IS WORTH LIVING
The tragedy of a loss like this is personal. Robin is woven into the very tapestry of modern life.
I haven’t seen all of his films. You probably haven’t either. But we’ve all seen enough to know and love this man.
No matter how dark the road may seem, no matter how difficult things may be, never give up.
Life is a precious gift. Life is worth living.
You are a beautiful and wonderful person. You are loved.
Never let anyone or anything challenge that deep knowing within you.
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Two years ago my stepmother commited suicide. I never thought I would be touched so closely by something so tragic. The “what-ifs” play over and over again in your mind. It’s still hard to talk about, but believing that things will get better one day motivated me to keep moving.
6 hours after reading this article I learned that a friend, my old roommate commited suicide yesterday.
I read so many comments that refer to “when will things get better?” Well let me tell you from personal experience, things wont get better unless you will them too. Get over the idea of a “perfect” life and begin to create something that is of value. Get back in the saddle and take control of your life, your future, your vision, your dreams. You have the power. Don’t wait for something to happen… Who knows if it will, but we do have today, this moment and in the moment there is everything. You are loved beyond your wildest imagination. RIP Bonnie and Josh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYa6gbDcx18
This for me sums it all up. I’m so sorry Robin. We will miss you dearly. You will always be loved.
The endless “Death and Rebirth” cycle is ending now. I like to think that Robin will not fall into that archonic trap again. I pray that He is finally free to go onto other places instead of being Earth Bound. The enslavers are weakening and many enlightened people are NOT honoring their bogus contracts. Remember, when you find you have passed over, refuse any contracts to re-incarnate and declare yourself sovereign and free! There is so MUCH MORE than Earth to experience.
Will the facts about his “rehab” and meds be made public? So far I haven’t read or heard anything. Is it being held back?
This isn’t going to help the therapy and pharma industries.
Ernest Hemingway’s relatives admitted recently that his suicide followed a brand new drug prescribed for him by a doctor.
The public has a right to know these things about Robin Williams now…not want 54 years.
David, are you going to look into this further? Please look at Mick Jagger girlfriend suicide on St. PATRICK’S DAY. her name is L’wren like Lauren. Mick and Lauren, Robins middle name is McLaurin and of Irish decent. I honestly don’t believe he took his own life. This is just like Whitney Houston.
Hey David!! Great story you’ve shared yet again. I think if people pick up a copy of your latest book The Synchronicity Key they will gain greater peace inside their minds and hearts and some very reasonable answers. Thank you thank you THANK YOU for helping me to realize a better path for my life within all your work and interviews. Much love brother!!☆
Ken Sheetz, I would upvote your comment if a mod didn’t write bs all over it.
It would be great if the mods could start replying to comments in a separate post so that one can tell where the votes are going.
Robin has inspirited me and touched my heart through all his creative projects. Often the brightest lights have heavy burdens.
It was his choice to go and I respect this. If the pain is so unbearable you only want it to stop and who are we to say he must carry on.
I have seen loved onces struggle so much and understand that sometimes it is more then they can bear. Don’t say things like, in the next life it will be even harder and he will have to go through it until he gets it.
We only know a little of the universe and the Source of love. I can only imagine him being loved and cared for in the other dimensions.
Robin is not this just last sad act. He consist out off many acts of love, kindness, creativity, darkness, duality and so on. The some of all that is what leaves a mark on this world.
Thank you Robin for you presence and peace of the other side.
Do
[Moderator: Robin is obviously an evolved, beautiful soul, but as is with all of us he has a rugged frontier of self. Sometimes we forget that this third density sojourn is the only place where we can come to terms…]
The real issue here is, selfishly so, the suffering of the people who are left behind. Quite honestly, you owe the world only so much. The people who argue that suicide is so karmically damaging are the ones who are the most devastated by loss. But what about THEIR lessons?
Shouldn’t the living be learning the core principle of nonattachment that frees a person from ALL suffering (and the cycle of karma)? Don’t they need to learn that the world does not revolve around them and while it is understandable that the loss of a loved one is bad, it is NOT something that should wreck their lives as well?
Furthermore, you don’t even HAVE to lose contact with those who have died. The issue here is that those left behind simply don’t understand that in some ways, death changes very little. If you feel like the loss of a loved one should send you into a long-term depression, then spiritually you have a lot to learn.
I believe the law of one has been misinterpreted here. If a person killed themselves out of EGO, yes a life may need to be redone depending on how bad the reason you did it was. If you are not one of the persons who has experienced what RW has, you have no right to judge suicide done out of pain.
Being punished for ending your pain when nothing else worked to stop it is like punishing a person because they died of the flu. This idea that all suicides require a karmic lesson needs to change and honestly, I thought you, mod, would know better. My meditations and personal experience has clearly told me that there are absolutely no ramifications for a suicide which only attempted to end hopeless pain.
[Moderator: Pain and a sense of hopelessness can seem unbearable, I know. I’ve gone through it and out the other end, though. Many or all eventually need to face themselves and their fears starkly in this sense, yet it can perhaps take lifetimes before one is ready to fully face it. No one faces that which is not of themselves -any give lifetime may offer up the opportunity – but self will have to be faced head on eventually… it’s gonna come back. Suicide while one still has potential coping and self facing mechanisms guarantees a repeat journey, IMHO.]
Robin Williams was a great comedian and a fine actor. He was a generous, warm father and friend.
Intuitively, perhaps he knew there is no karma for suicide. Maybe he knew we are sovereign, and have free will by design.
Research “There is no karma” and “archons” in google. We need to understand the rigid control the Archons [the management] have on this world, so we can laugh in their ugly faces and say, “No more control! No more slavery! No more reincarnation!”
Anyone touting reincarnation is deluded. You don’t have to come back here to 3D unless you think you do. Do you want to come back? I sure as hell don’t, and won’t, now that I know what their game is.
This is just one site I found to get you started understanding what it’s all about. Life is worth living. Earth’s a beautiful place,but there comes a time when you say “I’m tired of all this.” http://www.mindreality.com/there-is-no-such-thing-as-karma I also highly recommend Wes Penre’s Papers.
[Moderator: We may eventually decide that we will come back to 3D, after a restful spell, in order to satisfy our deeply personal need to become evenly and smoothly as a loving net benefit to life in general; realizing that there is no outer principality which can or shall derail our course in unconditional love 101.]
well said-we have all thought it at least once in our lives-for me several in the past-things do get better and i’m surrounded by love
There is a wonderful website, near-death.com, (where I coincidently found David while reading about Edgar Cayce) with tons of elaborate stories about people’s near death experiences. Some stories are from people who survived suicide attempts.
If I remember correctly someone was given the choice to stay on the other side or come back. I’m sure this is rare but who’s to say?
One of Edgar Cayce’s readings was for his reincarnated sister whom he said “withdrew” from life at 2, months before Cayce was born because family conditions “weren’t right” for her mission.
I also remember Marie Osmond talking about her adopted son’s suicide, saying he begged for years for her blessing to commit suicide. I’d like to reiterate that this must be a rare circumstance.
I suffered the pain of depression and alcohol addiction but Robin’s pain was obviously off the charts.
Touching story. Healing is always a 50/50 endeavor. Addiction muddles so much. My friend Dannion Brinkley, who has been to the other side, says there are no penalties for suicide. It sometimes is the only way to escape pain and recharge for the karmic mission that must be repeated.
Suicide is hardest on those of us left behind. Robin gave us so much of all he had and just ran out of gas.
[Moderator: The Law of One material clearly states that suicide usually creates the need for a rapid reincarnation, and that the person will have to re-create a similarly difficult situation again and then choose not to do it. Many people have been put at risk by what Robin did and everyone should be aware that in Law of One terms it will all have to be re-done.]
Was is suicide or illuminate sacrifice on the full moon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlRmtiT5mYg
[Moderator: Some folks do use conspiracy theories to feel better about something like this, to make them think that Robin couldn’t really have done it. Yet depression can claim anyone and celebrities often have very isolated and tortured lives.]
I don’t really see R.W.’s suicide as much of a loss. Overall he was a goofball with some mental problems. Guys like that always get replaced by new people rising up.
Greatness is plain in the sense that we can always count on finding it in large enough populations sooner or later, so no real loss to the entertainment industry or the depth or comic experiences.
I’m more concerned about the vets who kill themselves without having experienced a 10th of the pleasures and success as R.W. that nobody even hears about, or who would have gone on to be great stars but now they can’t because they came back with PTSD.
[Moderator: Suicide is suicide, and it is always sad. Furthermore, a high-profile suicide creates a major crisis for copycats, who get triggered when they think, “He had everything going for him and who am I?” Some of the comments below explain this. It’s very good for us not to start quantifying whether one death is better than another. Robin is part of the collective human family. It’s very unusual for such a prominent actor to commit violent suicide and it’s important that we have compassion.]
Never judge another’s actions until you have walked in their shoes.
I love that you chose photos from “What Dreams May Come” – one of my favorite movies/roles of Robin’s.
The beauty and the messages he portrayed in that movie have been strong in my mind since his departure.
Peace and love to Robin and his family, to you, and to all of us who learned about love and laughter from him.
Nanu nanu my friend. This is Mork from Orc over and out. 🙂
Robin Williams was a kind soul and thought of others…he also probably had meds that harmed him. So I’m not worried about him.
I am concerned about the millions of young people who grew up watching his movies over and over again, especially Aladdin. This will throw them a curve ball.
Many of that generation avoid being serious or facing hard issues. “In denial” is the term. Like Catholics who assume a “deer in the headlights” pose when unpleasant subjects come up. As a catholic, I’ve seen it a lot.
I hope such young fans will know that we can take the fun and laughter Robin brought, and also know the kindness he shared covers everything else. God bless him.
The film this picture of Robin Williams is from is based on the book “What Dreams May Come” by Richard Matherson, which gave birth to my spiritual search.
It is appropriate that Robin played the main character because he was a man with a great, open heart and a great deal of love to give.
Thank you, David, your article, and the comments have brought tears to my eyes. I appreciate you taking the time to write all of us.
Last fall, I was in a very deep depression and definitely suicidal. And you posted to expect a new article in a day or so. And I decided to stick around long enough to see what the article said.
Then it took several days for you to post it, long enough for me to be in not quite such a dark place…
I will always be so grateful to you.
[Moderator: Psst… DON’T ENCOURAGE HIM!!!]
Great article and insights David. Thank you so much for all you do to help humanity. I had a brother who committed suicide and it’s so hard for the family members that are left behind. Understanding that our souls don’t die and that we just change form has helped a lot.
For anyone wanting to find peace around a suicide, I highly recommend Steven Lives by Anne Puryear. It changed my perspective on suicide completely.
http://www.amazon.com/Stephen-Lives-Anne-Puryear/dp/0671536648/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1408011749&sr=1-1&keywords=steven+lives
Excellent article, David. I work on a hotline, and after Robins death, mny people were triggered.
“Here’s a guy with everything to live for and it wasnt enough…I’m a nobody.” (paraphrased)
I had a call a lot like your role play, and I am still muddling through it.
It did not end as fatalistically as your role play, but I will probably never know what happened to that person. It bugs me.
The thing about people who are in crisis and the people who call, they never see how strong and powerful they really are for hanging in so long as they do.
They don’t see what great lights they are. So many see themselves as a burden on others.
I am lucky to be in a position to point that out to people who are on the edge, but we can all do that for each other all the time. There may be no need for a crisis line someday.
Wish I could have talked to Robin, but I will never fault him for it, or anyone else.
so, will Robin be born in the next-life (reincarnation) ?
how can you convince to the majority (99%) ‘average-Joe’ humans/people in this world/planet, who often need the “practical, real, simple, relatable in their daily-lives” proof/evidence ? thx
-from Indonesia-
Meanwhile thousands of Palestinians have just been murdered by Israel.
The death of one celebrity is of no consequence whatsoever, unless it’s someone blowing the whistle on the criminals running Hollywood or some such obviously.
For all we know, Robin Williams may have been a complete $#*!head. Sorry but that’s the truth of the matter.
As for the legitimacy of suicide, that is completely up to the individual and no-one elses judgement or religious or metaphysical objections make the slightest difference.
[Moderator: We mourn the loss of all lives, whether in war or in peace, by suicide, by murder or by natural causes.]
This is an important subject, because I think many of us face this a lot, in ourselves and when it happens to others. I have thought about it many times but I know that I can’t give in to it. This is a constant test of my will to not give in.
I have been reading Dolores Cannon Between Death and Life and she is very clear in what others have said has happened Karmically and you face it again and again until you get it right.
It’s important to be strong and get it right this time. I don’t want to come back and face it again, next time it will be worse. It sets you back spiritually and you miss that chance to move up to the next density.
Don’t give in to the voice in your head that keeps pushing you and telling you this is a good time to do it. Surround yourself with the light and rebuke.
Have you watched Kerry Cassidys recent interview with Simon Parkes? It kinda leaft me feeling that us humans are no where close to being free from any sort of tyranny as DW claims to be according to his dreams, sources and intuition. I doubt he will even read this but it certainly would make for any interesting article with his input on that interview.
It puts the kabash on a lot of new age and truther celebs- icke, nidle, quinsey, and other lightworkers but supports maxwells bleak hope for us poor ignorant human slaves. For those of you who want to keep the hopium dealers in business with the weekly “we are almost there” and “disclosure will happen soon and we lyour star brothers and sisters can finally ride in and save you all”- then you may not want to watch her interview.
[Moderator: Even with all the changes that we have already seen, the amazing part is that you can believe whatever you want. So enjoy that!]
Thank You David for sharing your story. I believe that Robin is now doing his true work even as he is gone off the earth what he has done to help humanity deal with Depression is far more than anything he could have imagined.
Could it be that he was a wanderer who was struggling with being here which is why he struggled with addictions through out his life. You could see it in him as he spoke he was so caring and loving to all.
He will always be a part of every human being of this earth!
lets remember the laughs he gave here is a clip enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRE5Y6IUvkY
Hi David,
Thanks to you and Dr. Michael Newton, now I know that Robin will not suffer an “eternal punishment” because he committed suicide. He will need help but he will be OK.
We can also send positive thoughts to his family and to anyone who is experiencing a similar situation.
I’ve had the PRECISE same experience. After meditating on the reasons for my dark feelings for some time, I eventually came to the conclusion that I was being psychically assaulted and when I began to treat my depression as negative entities to be “addressed” with a psychic sword, I got a TON better.
If anyone here is interested in knowing more about how I experienced this, go here:
[url]https://divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?15832-Psychic-attack-preparation&p=67329#post67329" target="_blank">
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katie-hurley/theres-nothing-selfish-about-suicide_b_5672519.html%5B/url%5D
I NOW know that Negative Entities were attacking me…because when I discovered what was at the bottom (literally & figuratively) of those ugly feelings of self(body)-destruction…
I’ve had the PRECISE same experience. After meditating on the reasons for my dark feelings for some time, I eventually came to the conclusion that I was being psychically assaulted and when I began to treat my depression as negative entities to be “addressed” with a psychic sword, I got a TON better.
If anyone here is interested in knowing more about how I experienced this, go here:
[url]https://divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?15832-Psychic-attack-preparation&p=67329#post67329
Thanks David, was my sanctuary coming here. I had mixed feelings when I heard how he died.
This article discusses the fact that this episode of Family Guy played within a few minutes of the announcement of Robin Williams’ death:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2723457/BBC-shows-episode-Family-Guy-involving-Robin-Williams-failed-suicide-attempt-just-minutes-death-announce
What dreams may come.
Like so many people, Robin Williams touched me deeply.
I question whether or not he really did commit suicide. If he did, who am I to judge it to be ‘right’ or ‘wrong’? I did not walk in his shoes. However it happened, he is gone now.
They say it’s hardest on those left behind. I’m sure Robin is partying right now.
This is the KEY paragraph in the following article :
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katie-hurley/theres-nothing-selfish-about-suicide_b_5672519.html%5B/url%5D
” Suicide is a decision made out of desperation, hopelessness, isolation and loneliness. The black hole that is clinical depression is all-consuming. Feeling like a burden to loved ones, feeling like there is no way out, feeling trapped and feeling isolated are all common among people who suffer from depression. “
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Speaking from experience of the thought of DOING IT…multiple times. I NOW know that Negative Entities were attacking me…because when I discovered what was at the bottom (literally & figuratively) of those ugly feelings of self(body)-destruction , I fought them off by mentally saying vehemently : ” GO AWAY!!!! ” , and in seconds, the sensation of emotional AGONY was GONE…!! Otherwise, I’m “toast!”
Wow! You articulated so well. Thank you!!!
I totally understand. We can’t save everyone. It is their choice. I needed to hear this.
Thank you for all of your work, David. I love reading your posts. Cheers!!!
Here’s what I think about suicide. In your work, David, you say that it is a terrible karmic mistake to take your own life. While I believe this may be the case in some instances, in others it is not.
One who takes their own life out of ego, an attempt to elude justice, innocent (misguided) selfishness, or anything like these things will likely have negative karma later. And even then, the kind of karma you get is only as bad as the reason you killed yourself.
I’ve known full well the kind of negative state that compelled Robin Williams to end his own life and I cannot blame him one bit for doing so. The emotional pain is as bad as any physical pain that would compel a person to end their lives.
When pain gets this bad, the only thing that can possibly consume you is your desire to end it by any means. IMO, if you get killed by depression, karmically you may as well have been killed by any other disease…
What dreams may come.
Thanks David. So many people are huge fans of Robin and so am I.
I have suffered from depression on and off throughout my life and articles like this really help.
Times like this really help me to remember that life is worth living and to never give up!
Thanks for everything you do.