Free will, free reign?

[nzwasp]

I've heard it said many times that we create our own reality - that which we
desire is brought forth. I see how this would work, but how exactly does free
will fit into the equation? If we could completely create the reality we wanted
for ourselves, wouldn't the free will of other people/entities be compromised?

Endless Love and Light!
- John

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For some time I have not been chatting in this particular chatroom,maybe so as
not to intrude upon other's free will...But seriously-I think 'to make your
reality' is another way of saying everyone,wanderer or not,because of an endless
array of decisions spanned across endless lifetimes,makes their own bed.You make
your own maya-reality within the maya-reality of the said,agreed-upon
universe... ---Darrel
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From: cococube11@...
To: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 6:27 PM
Subject: [asc2k] Free will, free reign?


I've heard it said many times that we create our own reality - that which we
desire is brought forth. I see how this would work, but how exactly does free
will fit into the equation? If we could completely create the reality we wanted
for ourselves, wouldn't the free will of other people/entities be compromised?

Endless Love and Light!
- John

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On 9/12/06, cococube11@... <cococube11@...> wrote:
>
> I've heard it said many times that we create our own reality - that which
> we desire is brought forth. I see how this would work, but how exactly does
> free will fit into the equation? If we could completely create the reality
> we wanted for ourselves, wouldn't the free will of other people/entities be
> compromised?


A: Ra says on the higher levels every desire is instantly granted-- on the
thought planes and up, you can manifest anything, create anything, have your
world be whatever, etc., and of course the structural integrity of reality
and the free will of others won't be compromised.

The same process goes on in 3D, but at a much slower pace. There are many
reasons for this. Number one, we would wreck everything. Ra said so, and I
think that's pretty much a given. A planet full of people with no one having
their stuff straight wouldn't know what best to manifest, and things would
just become impossible to sustain. Two, this vibration is inherently slower
than the rest, but that's not to say that the process isn't going on. Quarks
and quantum particles and such are constantly materializing and
dematerialize for "no reason", out of "nowhere", for infinitesimal periods
of time. Also, Ra talks about cancers in the body being caused by thought
forms or personal attitudes, which is also because of the manifestation
process. And as David pointed out, around the early 1970's, something
changed in the earth's core (picture a crystalline entity) big time, which
is symptomatic of the Earth having already lurched forward into 4D without
us. So, while things are typically slower in 3D, it's obviously starting to
pick up.

And as a third, my own corollary to add to that would be that the reality
around us here in 3D is partially a consensus (aside from being generated by
the Creator), based on the push and pull of everyone's and everything's free
will and their manifestations, i.e. a probability vortex. 3D is the density
where free will is most accentuated (2D = existence, with little upward
drive, 3D = free will, 4D = Love, 5D = Wisdom, 6D = Love & Wisdom, 7D =
Sacredness of All Things, etc.), so the game's been rigged so everyone can
play nice.

I think Ra talks about it in Book II, but I can't remember for sure.

Be well,
A


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ACIM suggests that we have free will to choose between two choices. One choice
takes us on a very long convoluted process in time & space, the other is
timeless and eternal.

Free will is an illusion of the Ego decision process. Our true free will always
has only two choices and one of those choices is an illusion. The two choices
are Ego (illusions) or Higher consciousness (Holy Spirit). HS may be STO. One
could say that the Ego is Lucifer.

In other words the truth does set you free. Free from what? Perceptions which
are judgements of Ego. Ego creates the drama and we love our drama so in both
choices we get to experience Love.....love of indivdual drama or love of God's
Peace.

I love this quote from somewher: Whether you Believe you can or you believe
you can not you are right. SO whether you believe in Ego or you believe in God
(and you can not believe in both) you are right and your mind will lead you to
where you believe. Free will.jMikerAs I do to others, I do to myself Forgiveness
is for giving and is Forgiving


To: asc2k@...: zurch@...: Tue, 12 Sep 2006
20:42:44 -0700Subject: Re: [asc2k] Free will, free reign?




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--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com, cococube11@... wrote:
>
> I've heard it said many times that we create our own reality - that
which we desire is brought forth. I see how this would work, but how
exactly does free will fit into the equation? If we could completely
create the reality we wanted for ourselves, wouldn't the free will of
other people/entities be compromised?
>
> Endless Love and Light!
> - John
>
>(Joe)
John, hence the stuggle between service to SELF and service to OTHERS.

Peace,

Joe
>

John

There is a viewpoint called subjective reality that could be the same as the
non duality that RA speaks of. I think the quote was something like "They
are unable to see us as separate...".

A subjective reality view states that there is only one consciousness, that
you are that consciousness and everything you experience is a reflection of
your thoughts. From an objective perspective you assume that other people
have a separate consciousness from your own. But you can't prove that they
have a consciousness because everything that you experience is always from
your own (1) awareness. Assuming that there is more than one consciousness
is an unprovable leap of faith.

If you believe that you can compromise the free will of others then that is
the reality you will create. Your experience of others is a reflection of
your thoughts and beliefs.

You can try changing different thoughts for yourself and see what happens.
If I'm wrong then you will know for sure.

I have a link to an article that I think explains this brilliantly but I
can't post it here. If you would like it I can send it to you privately.

Hope this helps
Jon

On 9/12/06, cococube11@... <cococube11@...> wrote:
>
> I've heard it said many times that we create our own reality - that
> which we desire is brought forth. I see how this would work, but how exactly
> does free will fit into the equation? If we could completely create the
> reality we wanted for ourselves, wouldn't the free will of other
> people/entities be compromised?
>
> Endless Love and Light!
> - John
>
> [
>


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[jess9dob]

In a message dated 9/13/06 6:22:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
roodsjmr11@... writes:

> SO whether you believe in Ego or you believe in God (and you can not
believe
> in both)....

I disagree. I think there is a balance of caring for self and service of
others. RA says we of Earth will be harvestable if we are over 50-percent into
service of others. Thus, we would graduate to forth density while still being
almost half differentiated ego.

Agape,
Don Eli

I disagree that the ego is "bad". It is a matter of how it is used
like anything else. Is a cup of coffee good or bad? Depends on how
it is used. If you drink say 1 cup of coffee a day you might be in
balance. If you drink 100 cups of coffee a day then you are likely
a caffinated and frazzled wreck.

I think that we have to have an ego in order to survive in our 3D
world with others. It was given to us so it must have a purpose
since God does not make mistakes. It is our job to recognize when
we are working from ego and when we are not...which is why it was
given to us in the first place. It is to enable us to draw
attention to the other parts of self and is a learning tool. It
helps us find what we are aware of in our lives and what we are not
aware of. Others can help us with learning about our egos. Ego
causes us to have to interact with others so we can learn about
ourselves more. Or maybe all of this is just my ego talking cause
you told it it was "bad"

Jan

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "John Michael Roods" <roodsjmr11@...>
wrote:

ACIM suggests that we have free will to choose between two choices.
One choice takes us on a very long convoluted process in time &
space, the other is timeless and eternal.

Free will is an illusion of the Ego decision process. Our true free
will always has only two choices and one of those choices is an
illusion. The two choices are Ego (illusions) or Higher
consciousness (Holy Spirit). HS may be STO. One could say that the
Ego is Lucifer.

In other words the truth does set you free. Free from what?
Perceptions which are judgements of Ego. Ego creates the drama and
we love our drama so in both choices we get to experience
Love.....love of indivdual drama or love of God's Peace.

I love this quote from somewher: Whether you Believe you can or
you believe you can not you are right. SO whether you believe in
Ego or you believe in God (and you can not believe in both) you are
right and your mind will lead you to where you believe. Free
will.jMikerAs I do to others, I do to myself Forgiveness is for
giving and is Forgiving

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "jupitergirl63" <jupitergirl63@...> wrote:
>
> I disagree that the ego is "bad". It is a matter of how it is used
> like anything else. Is a cup of coffee good or bad? Depends on how
> it is used. If you drink say 1 cup of coffee a day you might be in
> balance. If you drink 100 cups of coffee a day then you are likely
> a caffinated and frazzled wreck.
>
> I think that we have to have an ego in order to survive in our 3D
> world with others. It was given to us so it must have a purpose
> since God does not make mistakes. It is our job to recognize when
> we are working from ego and when we are not...which is why it was
> given to us in the first place. It is to enable us to draw
> attention to the other parts of self and is a learning tool. It
> helps us find what we are aware of in our lives and what we are not
> aware of. Others can help us with learning about our egos. Ego
> causes us to have to interact with others so we can learn about
> ourselves more. Or maybe all of this is just my ego talking cause
> you told it it was "bad"
>
> Jan


I don't think that ego is "bad". However, your own description shows
very plainly what ego is. Ego is fear. In any given situation our
instinctual response stems from ego, such as disagreement with the
ideas or concepts of others. Many times you see it where someone comes
back with the snide or cutting remark related to another's
intelligence or education or social status, etc. Ego response is the
automatic response to a given catalyst when thought is not taken. Ego
stems from the STS orientation and is the result of fear that is
created when we react from the self rather than the Creator portion of
our being. Once we progress beyond the belief in good/bad, (insert
matched pair here), the ego ceases to exist and we are free to make
the choice based upon our own free will. Ego is simply a failure to
make a free will choice from a STO perspective. It is a perfect tool
for the STS perspective because that orientation denies the creator
within them.

Hi JP,

The examples you show are those where ego is displayed as negative.
Yes, very true - an ego can display fear. However, it also doesn't
always have to do so. I can show you equally where someone with a
strong ego displays confidence and works for the benefit of others
like during emergencies when those around them aren't so strong as
to affect a positive outcome, say getting people out of harms way in
the event that a tornado is passing though and people don't want to
evacuate their homes even when critically necessary. People react
to strong personalities - where those personalities are good or bad.
To me, it is a matter of how one uses their ego to affect others
and self that labels it "good" or "bad".

IMHO, I don't think that ego can be sliced and diced away from the
rest of self. What would be learn then by having to deal with an
ego at all? It is a part of the whole. It must be consciously
managed and transformed, not torn out. Even in the practice of the
Tao, it is a matter of mastering what one is versus getting rid of
parts of oneself.

Jan

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "jpstephens2012" <jpstephenslives@...>
wrote:
> I don't think that ego is "bad". However, your own description
shows very plainly what ego is. Ego is fear. In any given situation
our
> instinctual response stems from ego, such as disagreement with the
> ideas or concepts of others. Many times you see it where someone
comes
> back with the snide or cutting remark related to another's
> intelligence or education or social status, etc. Ego response is
the
> automatic response to a given catalyst when thought is not taken.
Ego
> stems from the STS orientation and is the result of fear that is
> created when we react from the self rather than the Creator
portion of
> our being. Once we progress beyond the belief in good/bad, (insert
> matched pair here), the ego ceases to exist and we are free to make
> the choice based upon our own free will. Ego is simply a failure to
> make a free will choice from a STO perspective. It is a perfect
tool
> for the STS perspective because that orientation denies the creator
> within them.
>