Go Back   Divine Cosmos Discussions > Archive > Archive 2000-2007

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-06-2005, 09:31 AM
Michael Bergman
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Letting Go of Letting Go


Do we really have any control to let go of? I mean seriously, when have you
ever felt like you were the ONE that is in control of everything? I don?t
know about you but I have yet to even go a day where I was in control of my
every breath, not to mention the breath of the universe. How can you let go
of something that you have never really had? In order to let go of control,
it is first necessary to be completely in control. Does the statement ?I
create my own reality? mean to be in control of your reality? Is a Creator
in control of its creations or does a Creator just allow its creations the
freedom to create and re-create themselves unto infinity?

I know that there arises the fear of abandonment by just allowing all that
you create to evolve with its own free will but that is the way of a LOVE
that supports its creations so unconditionally that every potential
possibility is embraced with all-inclusive acceptance. Creating is not
controlling for the very idea of control creates the division of a self that
is in control and another self that is being controlled. In a creation
where all is one being, there truly is no other to control or to be
controlled. All just is, blissfully aware of its expanse into forever.

Letting go is an act of control for that which you are letting go is in your
control. As long as you feel that you are in control of that which you are
holding, you will also be in control of that which you are releasing. Let
go of letting go, release the very idea that you have ever held anything at
all. All that you have ever controlled with the grasp of your understanding
has restricted the light bubbles of your creations from expanding and
evolving. Control is the ultimate bubble burster, it is the one thing that
prevents you from living out your limitless dreams. Stop holding onto your
memories and start allowing your thoughts and dreams to grow. Letting go is
simply merging with the already constant flow of love that is moving forward
to the re-unification of all wills with the one will of total freedom.

peace,
Mikey

  #2  
Old 07-06-2005, 01:36 PM
lealdragon
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Letting Go of Letting Go


I agree that our conscious selves are never really 'in control.' But, I sure
THOUGHT I was in control! When I first got into
'New Age'thinking and read books about the power of thought & visualization, I
really grabbed hold of the idea and took off
with it. I didn't think of it as control, but as 'creating my reality.' Then, to
further fuel my progression into the web of perceived control, I got into the
'create your own destiny' mentality promoted by many companies to train their
distributors
to sell their products.

Wow, did I ever fall flat on my face! My Higher Self let me be
taken to the brink, 'close to the edge', barely escaping death,
not just once but several times! (in 3 cases literally near
physical death, and other times emotional). In all cases, it
was nothing short of miraculous that I even survived. Ironically,
it was the very things I was doing to 'be in control' and 'make
sure I created everything perfectly' that triggered the near-collapse of my
life.

What I realized was that I am NOT in control! Quite a humbling
experience!

If you're wondering why this same pattern happened several times,
well, that's just how deeply entrenched my dogma was - it took a few
times for me to realize, 'duh, I think somebody's trying to tell me
something...'

That's not to say that positive thinking/visualization are not
wonderful tools to use. They obviously are. But my mistake was in
thinking that just because I 'did everything right' that things would work out
precisely like I'd planned. Not so!

I still see this so prevalent in the New Age community, and, in a
different form, in the Christian community. The New Agers: 'you just
need to meditate more, think more positive.' The Christians: 'If you
are still sick or poor, then you aren't praying enough/don't have
enough faith.'

This is very tricky to articulate; I hope no one misinterprets
this and thinks I am saying not to meditate or think positive.

Hey, prayer/meditation/faith are all wonderful and extremely
important. But to think that if we 'just pray more' we will be
in control, is, well, using something good to justify control!

The LoO has clarified that there are other factors, like...catalyst!!!
So, rather than trying to control what happens, I am now seeking
to be open to whatever catalyst is b4 me. I do think joyful, positive creating
is wonderful, but whenever I start thinking that events in my life are happening
BECAUSE of my positive thinking/visualiztion, usually something happens to make
me
realize I am NOT in control, and I wonder, and I marvel.

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Bergman" <bergmanmichael@m...>
wrote:
> Do we really have any control to let go of? I mean seriously, when have you
ever felt like you were the ONE that is in control
of everything? I don't know about you but I have yet to even go
a day where I was in control of my every breath, not to mention
the breath of the universe.

  #3  
Old 07-07-2005, 01:55 AM
NEIL HADDON
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Re: Letting Go of Letting Go


Whoa there, dragon!

"I agree that our conscious selves are never really 'in control.'"

We have seen that the aether, configured in varying shapes and frequencies is
the source of all 'matter'. But what directs the aether?

Similarly, not everything about life has to do with 'matter', what about
'events'? What creates events?

We eventually come to the conclusion of some underlying (? over-lying?)
intelligent design, which we choose to call 'spirit'.

If we are all One, then every one of us is part of the One, Universal Creator,
Consciousness, Mind, Spirit,God, whatever term best suits.

All the philosphers tell us that spirit is one and indivisible: so the only
possible difference between the spirit that is in-dwelling in you and I, and
Universal Spirit ( if there is a difference at all) is one of degree.

Surely then to an extent, no matter how miniscule, we have the power to
influence matter and events - which makes up our lives?

Without checking references, does Ra not imply that we may not be able to move
mountains just yet, but as we progress to group mind/spirit complex we shall
move mountains?

I am not discounting karma, or catalyst. I am not suggesting that by meditating
long enough you can jump out of a ten storey windows and glide gently to the
ground. However, from my own experience, I do suggest we can visualise and
desire and claim some circumstance as our own, and it will manifest - in some
form: not necessarily exactly as we imagined, but given that everything which
happens is for our benefit, then in the long term, wider picture the form of
manifestation will be the one which is 'best' for us. Often, it is only looking
back after some considerable time, that we can appreciate the chain of events.

In the past, I too have gone through the positive thinking marketing hype which
is invariably slanted to material wealth and achievement, usually for the
benefit of the company, not you or I; my conclusion is that this is an example
of a noble principle which has been usurped for 3D materialistic gain.

The word 'control' tends to have dark connotations, but I submit that as
integral parts (-otherwise it would not be 'universal' would it?)of the One
Universal Spirit we can have some influence on our lives.

Sudden thought - is this not to some extent 'penetrating the veil' to the powers
we forgot we possess?

Love.
Neil







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

  #4  
Old 07-07-2005, 06:23 AM
Malai
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Letting Go of Letting Go


Hi lealdragon

I have to agree with your story here, as I have a similiar one
myself, which I won't go into.
Suffice to say, what I learned was that I, my 3d self, did NOT drive
my bus, but in fact my Higher Self did.
What I learned was that I had to give up, let go, of my perception
that I DID drive the bus.
As perceptions are formed by everyting one does and has learn't
throughout one's 3d life, all those things are up for grabs as well.

To let go of familiarity.
To let go of judgements.
To let go of self absorbsion.
To let go of fear.
To let go of one's comfort zone.
To let go of one's history.

This list, I found covered most of the areas that formed my
perceptional base and that is what I work on.
So, although letting go is just a release, or surrender to one's
Higher Self, there is actually a process of divestment of the former
perceptional self, so that this is possible.
3d self to 5D Higher Self.

Cheers

Malai



--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "lealdragon" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
> I agree that our conscious selves are never really 'in control.'
But, I sure THOUGHT I was in control! When I first got into
> 'New Age'thinking and read books about the power of thought &
visualization, I really grabbed hold of the idea and took off
> with it. I didn't think of it as control, but as 'creating my
reality.' Then, to further fuel my progression into the web of
perceived control, I got into the 'create your own destiny'
mentality promoted by many companies to train their distributors
> to sell their products.
>
> Wow, did I ever fall flat on my face! My Higher Self let me be
> taken to the brink, 'close to the edge', barely escaping death,
> not just once but several times! (in 3 cases literally near
> physical death, and other times emotional). In all cases, it
> was nothing short of miraculous that I even survived. Ironically,
> it was the very things I was doing to 'be in control' and 'make
> sure I created everything perfectly' that triggered the near-
collapse of my life.
>
> What I realized was that I am NOT in control! Quite a humbling
> experience!
>
>

  #5  
Old 07-07-2005, 10:25 AM
Jan Wicherink
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Letting Go of Letting Go


Hi Dragon,

I'm sorry you had such a bad experience in manifesting the opposite of
your desires. I can see how you lost your faith in it!

However I would like to give you just a suggestion that could be valid
for you. I'm not sure it applies to you and I'm not here to judge you
since what you've been through is sheer hell!

I've become a proponent and believer of the reality creation game
myself because I have different and only positive experiences in this
respect. As I have come to understand it, reality creation is about
putting your visualisations, your desires and emotions on the reality
you do want to create for yourself. Often people focus their attention
on the things they DON'T want and they end up attracting only more of it!

These are the basic principles explained in what is called the `Law of
Attraction' a channelling by an entity `Abraham', you may or may not
have heard of. I see no violation in these teachings with what Ra
tells us about reality creation.

Maybe we subconsciously attract the things we don't like because
that's where we put our focus on mostly. So the trick is to NOT
control the situation we dislike but to focus our attention on the
things we do like and desire.

So here's the paradox, in order to get what we like, first we have to
fully accept the situation we're presently in and accept the
responsibility that it's the result of our own reality creation
program too.

Maybe that's the big issue discussed here about control. In order to
get control, we first have to release it! I always find it amazing
that God's truth seems to be always the opposite of that we as humans
perceive and or like to accept. These are the funny paradoxes of live.


Love,
Jan


> What I realized was that I am NOT in control! Quite a humbling
> experience!
>

  #6  
Old 07-07-2005, 11:17 AM
lealdragon
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Letting Go of Letting Go


Neil, I completely agree with you! 100% !

It's difficult to define what I'm trying to convey, so I will give
an example to describe:

One of the times in which I feel I was `too controlling' is when I
was pregnant. As any mother knows, childbirth is an extremely
powerful force. But, instead of working with that energy and
trusting, I tried to `do everything right.' I thought that if I
drank my herbal teas, exercised everyday, and did affirmations, I
would have a smooth, easy delivery. Since I had planned a homebirth,
I made sure to have herbal remedies on hand for every conceivable
complication. I micro-managed every little detail, instead of
resting and allowing the energy to flow.

Well, it all backfired and I ended up in the hospital with an
emergency c-section and we both almost died.

This completely shattered my foundation of beliefs. I could not
understand why all my affirmations had not worked!

The same pattern was repeated a few more times, in which I did
everything `right' to ensure a certain result, and the opposite
happened.

I realize now that I was actually operating out of FEAR. I couldn't
trust that my baby would be fine; I was putting my trust in my
external actions of drinking herb tea, etc.
The fear was stronger than any trust, so it actually attracted the
emergency situation.

What I learned from this is that when there is fear, there is the
tendency to respond to that fear by seeking to control the
situation, rather than flowing with the guidance of the Higher Self.

In my case, I still did create my own reality, but it was created
out of fear. So maybe a more accurate terminology would be 'letting
go of fear.'


--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "NEIL HADDON" <wayshower@g...> wrote:
> ...we can visualise and desire and claim some circumstance as our
own, and it will manifest - in some form: not necessarily exactly as
we imagined, but given that everything which happens is for our
benefit, then in the long term, wider picture the form of
manifestation will be the one which is 'best' for us. Often, it is
only looking back after some considerable time, that we can
appreciate the chain of events.
>

  #7  
Old 07-08-2005, 10:21 AM
vuy_iswa
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Letting Go of Letting Go


--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "lealdragon" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
>
> One of the times in which I feel I was `too controlling' is when I
> was pregnant. As any mother knows, childbirth is an extremely
> powerful force. But, instead of working with that energy and
> trusting, I tried to `do everything right.' I thought that if I
> drank my herbal teas, exercised everyday, and did affirmations, I
> would have a smooth, easy delivery. Since I had planned a homebirth,
> I made sure to have herbal remedies on hand for every conceivable
> complication. I micro-managed every little detail, instead of
> resting and allowing the energy to flow.
>
> Well, it all backfired and I ended up in the hospital with an
> emergency c-section and we both almost died.

Hi Lealdragon,

As a fellow Mum I can relate to your concerns about childbirth. As you
say; you were operating out of fear, thus became attached to that fear
throughout the pregnancy.

As Neil mentioned the lesson clarified something very important for
your growth, even though, or perhaps because it was so dramatic!.

So maybe "Letting go of attachment to an outcome" is perhaps the key
that unlocks this reality creation conundrum?

Love,

V

  #8  
Old 07-08-2005, 11:03 AM
lealdragon
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Letting Go of Letting Go


Thanks Jan! I totally agree! At the time, I thought I was affirming
what I wanted, but I realize now that I was probably in denial about
the fears that were there. Rather than releasing those fears, I just
tried to override them with plenty of affirmations and positive
actions. I was very much trying to control the fearful situation,
to 'force' it into being something different, rather than just
realeasing it.

Now that this is something I am consciously aware of and working on,
things do seem to be flowing better. I have a friend at work who
seems to be doing exactly what I did at the time; and it looks just
so obvious to me now. She is in a healing process and doesn't seem
to realize how much she is suppressing. There's not much I can say
to her, other than just be there for her, just as I wasn't very open
to having my eyes opened at the time either.

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "Jan Wicherink" <jan.wicherink@x>
wrote:
> I'm sorry you had such a bad experience in manifesting the
opposite of
> your desires. > > ...Maybe we subconsciously attract the things we
don't like because
> that's where we put our focus on mostly. So the trick is to NOT
> control the situation we dislike but to focus our attention on the
> things we do like and desire.
>
>

  #9  
Old 07-08-2005, 11:09 AM
lealdragon
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Letting Go of Letting Go


Yes, that's it precisely! To do the affirmations, consciously create
our reality, etc. yet not be 'attached' to whether it manifests
exactly the way we THINK it 'should.'

I was VERY attached to my baby being born a certain way. This
experience made me reevaluate what's really important and realize that
the end result WILL be what's for our highest good, even if it's not
exactly like we'd imagined.

> As Neil mentioned the lesson clarified something very important for
> your growth, even though, or perhaps because it was so dramatic!.
>
> So maybe "Letting go of attachment to an outcome" is perhaps the key
> that unlocks this reality creation conundrum?
>
> Love,
>
> V

  #10  
Old 07-08-2005, 03:06 PM
Jan Wicherink
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: Letting Go of Letting Go


--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "lealdragon" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
> Thanks Jan! I totally agree! At the time, I thought I was affirming
> what I wanted, but I realize now that I was probably in denial about
> the fears that were there. Rather than releasing those fears, I just
> tried to override them with plenty of affirmations and positive
> actions. I was very much trying to control the fearful situation,
> to 'force' it into being something different, rather than just
> realeasing it.
>


Dear lealdragon,

If fear and love are vibrations (like all else in the universe) than
we could think of it as an e-motion or energy in motion that is send
to the Oneness, which is the universe. These vibrations I believe do
touch on reality by means of altering the overall energy matrix in the
universe. Eventually the universe responds in one way or the other.

There is a lot of research done by Russian scientists who claim that
torsion waves radiated by our consciousness may be the explanation of
many Psi related phenomena, like David Wilcock has mentioned in his
research. Science is actually now in the position to prove that we can
not be separated from the Oneness of the universe, the vibrating sea
of quantum energy that we are all part of. (By the way did you see the
movie `What the Bleep'?)

From Daniel Winter I learned that the emotion of love actually creates
an implosion of electromagnetic energy (Light) in the form of
spiralling energy waves in vortex or donut shape structures that
exceed the speed of light. This happens to be the perfect description
of the torsion wave and what Ra termed the spiralling Love/Light energy.

So the question whether our thoughts and emotions have a real affect
on our reality I think is beyond any doubt, the question we now should
address is `how does it work?'

Fear is one of the most fundamental human emotions. For eons we have
been taught by our parents, our priests and our scientists that fear
is real. I think the time has come that we can start working on the
release of our fears and see how they actually shaped our reality. We
created a society today that has become very fearful since we lost
contact with our source and as a result all control.

David Wilcock's and other researchers are helping us to understand how
reality creation really works such that we may start to release a lot
of the fear we have collected and regain control of our own destiny as
a human species.

Love
Jan

 

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:45 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.