Service-to-self or service-to-others? How about just service-to-the-One?

[Starfire]

Originally Posted by Jetamus

Sounds like you have to go out of your way to serve other people.
Make it your life

If thats the case then theres no way many people are making the harverst, myself included.
See you in 25,000 years!

Jetamus;
Consider this: suppose just suppose, you are ready for harvest, from your statements sounds like you have not chosen service to others, therefore according to the Law of One then you will be harvested as 4D STS. Now really think about what that is going to be like. STS at the 4th density - a lot of competion for power and control. If you're not at the top then STS will be a form of slavery, If you think things are tough here now it ain't going to be no picnic at 4D STS.
When you really get what STO is you realize that it becomes Service to the One. Who is the One? STS is maintaining the illusion that all are separate entities. You are only ever going to get what you give, if you don't make the effort then the catalysts for change will come thru in ways that will be more challenging to you.
Your words really struck something in me that I can not understand why someone would not want the way out of what the world now is.
My suggestion is make the choice and be open to ways that you can be STO. I think you might be surprised at the opportunities that are presented to you that are really about making the choice in the present moment. It's not so much the effort as it is to make the choice.

Starfire

[evolving]

Originally Posted by Starfire

Jetamus;
Consider this: suppose just suppose, you are ready for harvest, from your statements sounds like you have not chosen service to others, therefore according to the Law of One then you will be harvested as 4D STS.

Incorrect.

There is no one or the other split. There are three possible outcomes for each mind/body/spirit complex at this harvest.

1. Continuation of service to self by polaraizing at least 95%
2. Continuation of service to other-self by polarizing at least 51%
3. Mind/body/spirit complexes that are not ready for ascension will be relocated to another third density planet for further incarnations.

[DFS]

evolving wrote:

In further contemplation and understanding, I now do not even use the term "service to others", because this is incorrect. "Others" implies separation, but we are not separate. We are all of the One Infinite Creator, therefore the most accurate and correct terminology should be (and as used by Ra) is "service to other-self".
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Yes, your point about separation is well taken. We are all One. My personal touchstone statement from the LOO site comes from session 1, question 5:

"In truth there is no right or wrong. There is no polarity for all will be, as you would say, reconciled at some point in your dance through the mind/body/spirit complex which you amuse yourself by distorting in various ways at this time. This distortion is not in any case necessary. It is chosen by each of you as an alternative to understanding the complete unity of thought which binds all things. You are not speaking of similar or somewhat like entities or things. You are every thing, every being, every emotion, every event, every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are love/light, light/love. You are. This is the Law of One."

If one goes for the grand overview, we are all doing this dance through this shared illusion as service to the One Infinite Creator. It's all about the Creator knowing Self through the many-ness of individuated co-creators.

From the Creator's POV, it matters not how we choose to do the present third-density dance. We are conditioned to evaluate and judge, which often produces the assumption of right or wrong, correct or incorrect, but that's limited third-density thinking. <resigned shrug>

As an individuated/persona/co-creator, I am honor bound to make my moment-to-moment choices as my service to the One, and I have absolute free will regarding how I choose to play out my personal dance. Of course, my pattern may be well scripted by pre-incarnative choices, but scripted life lessons will still be open to free choices.

Another third-density assumption is that it's our actions that matter the most, but in fact, it's the biases and attitudes shaping and driving our choices and actions that really matter. Or more precisely, it is the intent underpinning our choices/actions that most accurately indicates where we stand on the continuum marked by the extremes of pure service to self or pure service to others.

If the intent behind a charitable action is to subtly engender a sense of obligation and/or loyalty from the recipient, then this is self serving even if the outer appearances suggest otherwise. Even a warm smile, handshake or hug may be intended to subtly incur favor and/or loyalty.

Ultimately, it is our intent that indicates where we fit on the continuum of service. Intent is, in third density, a subtle, slippery aspect of persona which is quite capable of shape shifting to mask its true nature. Thus, for the seeker of self knowing and self acceptance, a prime challenge is to seek out, unmask, forgive and accept one's true intent.

For example, I can consider my own intent in composing this post. Am I sharing in the hope that some thought or concept may resonate with a few others? Might I be secretly hoping to impress or to win some abstract sense of respect? Or perhaps all of the above and others not yet considered.
<wry smile>

Fortunately, there are no right or wrong answers, and the results only matter to my persona. As my grandpop used to say, "Each of us has to take his own hide to market," which I took to mean that each of us is responsible for everything he/she is and does.

DFS

[Starfire]

Originally Posted by evolving

Incorrect.

There is no one or the other split. There are three possible outcomes for each mind/body/spirit complex at this harvest.

1. Continuation of service to self by polaraizing at least 95%
2. Continuation of service to other-self by polarizing at least 51%
3. Mind/body/spirit complexes that are not ready for ascension will be relocated to another third density planet for further incarnations.

Evolving;
Perhaps I didn't word it the way I meant it. I understand the 3 outcomes. What i meant was if you are ready for harvest, meaning you are not in the outcome #3 group, you will be either group 1 STS or 2 STO. I was trying to make the point that it is a choice as to which outcome you will be harvested into, and my understanding of the descriptions of 4D STS will be much more challenging.
I said it would not be a picnic in 4D STS, according to RA it will be a picnic:

QUESTION: Does the entity consciously choose which path (service to self or service to others) it will take?

RA: The majority of 3rd density beings is far along the chosen path before realization of that path is conscious. (B1, 181)

III. WHAT CREATES THE BIAS TOWARD THE CHOSEN PATH?

RA: We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic.

Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious and glow with the joy of creation.

Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.
All these experiences are available. It is the free will of each entity which chooses the form of play. (B1, 181)

RA: Your 3rd density experience is distorted or skewed so that the positive orientation has more aid than the so-called negative. (B4, 204)

I respect everyone's free will to choose, although for me the choice seems obvious - why make it harder on yourself.

[evolving]

Originally Posted by Starfire

I said it would not be a picnic in 4D STS, according to RA it will be a picnic:

Not a picnic that I hope to attend! It will be full of tycoons, wall street bankers, music and Hollywood industry execs, murderers, drug dealers, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.

If 10% of the population make ascendancy for STS, that will mean 680,000 will be at that picnic. Now I understand what religion refers to as "Hell"...

[11wanderer11]

Originally Posted by Starfire

III. WHAT CREATES THE BIAS TOWARD THE CHOSEN PATH?

RA: We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic.

Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious and glow with the joy of creation.

Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.
All these experiences are available. It is the free will of each entity which chooses the form of play. (B1, 181)

RA: Your 3rd density experience is distorted or skewed so that the positive orientation has more aid than the so-called negative. (B4, 204)

I respect everyone's free will to choose, although for me the choice seems obvious - why make it harder on yourself.

I find it strange that RA would use the word "perversities", as this seems a contradiction to RA's assertion that there is no right or wrong. What is the 'examination of perversities of nature'? Like unnatural mutations or something? Birth defects and abonormal diseases? "some love the light and some love the darkness"...The thing is for me, I truly appreciate it all, from the light to the dark. They all have aspects that fascinate me in some ways. To me it's about balance/harmony of everything. You can't neglect the shadow side without consequences. It's just like the common advice with dreams in confronting your pursuer. IMO, People should not avoid things. They should confront and examine those things that make them feel uncomfortable which will lead to healing and understanding. Then 'dark' things don't seem so dark after all. Just misunderstood.

[Hitbyawormhole]

Thank you all for a good read and providing food for contemplation.

Service-to-self vs service-to-others (or using another polarity: good vs evil) for me is all about Service to Self! heheheh Yup, lookin out for number One... let me explain

It is all about how one defines "Self". Self can be defined as one's own carbon based body. We know when it hurts and when it is satisfied for example. Yet 'Self' can be that which is experienced between most mothers and their child. The two are very entangled into a coherent unit. Mommy wakes up just before the child does in anticipation of its needs. Any hurt or harm to the child is hurt or harm to the parent. No differentiation between identities.

Bigger scale... 'Self' can be one's own company that one builds... and everyone's individual gift to that company. Or it can be an entire platoon whose trust for each individual is important to your life. One soldier going down is deeply affected by everyone who has shared meals/living quarters with.

Or... 'Self' can be a community that you live in. Self can be an entire country... eg Ghandi ... Self can be the whole world, eg Jesus... or... the entire universe.

... and just as magnificent, 'Self' can be an understanding and knowingness that your pristine body is made up of billions of individual entities called cells that are coherently entangled to support life. Treat them well.

So you see, the more experience and practice we have in empathizing (read into this the 'act of thinking and/or loving'), the more we come to understand that we influence it. Then the light goes on... our mere act of observation changes it! That must mean that we ARE Gods. We are greater than an altered ego. Indeed we are that 'Self' to which we want to become. "I am that which I am becoming".

So I do not do harm to another because it is a commandment or it is a prerequisite for graduation, I do not do harm to another because it hurts me. The corollary is that I serve others not because it is the condition of STO 4th density entry requirements but because it is "I" that I serve. I will make sure that service is done with great care. That understanding of the 'greater self' comes when we begin to resonate with the dreams of those closest to us.... our own bodies, family, friends, neighbors etc.

I believe with so many on this forum that the coming months and years will be about experiencing the Self (with all its scary unintegrated parts and all its sublime wisdom of the light of day) that we observe ourselves to be.

[evolving]

Hitbyawormhole

Although typically the term used here in the forum is service to others, the correct terminology is actually:

• Service to other-self or Service to other-selves, serving one and all (family, community, company, world)
• Service to self, serving only one (Only looking out for me, myself, I)

One may choose one or the other, or neither. Free will is paramount and allows for all, but ascendancy comes only if a strong enough polarity is gained in service, one way or the other.

[ETMAN]

Those who have chosen the negative path, those that are at least 95% devoted to service-to-self, will ascend to a 4th density negative planet, and those who have chosen the positive path, those who are at least 51% devoted to service-to-others, will ascend with the Earth as it becomes a 4th density positive planet. Everyone in between, everyone who has not polarized by choosing one of these paths, according to Ra, will be transferred to a 3rd density planet, similar to the current Earth, continuing 3rd density experience until they polarize.

It's not always up to the 'soul" where one goes even if some choose 80% positive versus 20% negative. It's true both paths are balanced in opposition as all things/choices whether seen/realized or not are 50/50 with balance in opposition/polarities but "souls" on earth are here for specific reason/purpose. They were placed here to learn/advance/progress, it's much more complex than simply choosing 51% service to others versus 49% service to self." I respect all beliefs while the "Law of One" has many fundamental/basic truths to be found not all of it is respectfully correct. The picture of why everyone is here on this planet, who they are and where they are going is far more complex than any one "Belief" or "Religion".More than any human finite mind can understand/comprehend. "Souls" have control of some things and other things are "Out of their control" completely but these things will be realized/understood clearer on the immediate other side/where you will recall/remember and understand exactly why you were placed on earth. Choose wisely, the positive path always leads to higher places but it doesn't guarantee you a higher existence/dimension/life/world, many will live on earth type planets for lives to come whether they are in service to self or others for reasons/harder to comprehend/understand but you will understand once you leave this world and face your true memories/eternal perspective.

ET_MAN

[helas]

I think a very important thing to consider here is how each of us views the term "ascension." It is safe to say all of us, on this forum, or as a majority in the world, impulsively want to "ascend" because it seems like the most positive outcome. True, I would love to escape the drudgery of 3rd density Earth and its frustratingly ignorant aspects; to inherit new abilities, e.g. telepathy, light bodies, etc; to directly experience Love/Light and all that's behind the veil. But to look at that possibility and say, "There's no way I'm making it," as though not "making" the Harvest would be an ultimate failure, is illogical. It's ill logic. What determines the readiness and degree of "ascension" is the progress toward, or the knowing of the One Infinite Creator through the knowing of the Self. If it turns out I'm not ready for 4th density existence, and am thusly taken to another 3rd density planet, I cannot be devastated by it. Such is probably not possible --

To quote mamjr40 quoting Q'uo:

It is also important to remember that you are not forced into these densities. This is an open classroom school. But as the third grader will feel a bit bewildered when he sits down and listens to the teaching in a sixth grade classroom, and will eventually choose to return to a more appropriate class, so you tend to stay in the appropriate class because that is where learning occurs. Remember there is no competition to move faster than another or to outdo another. You are most content to be where you learn.

It is essential to remember the inherent unity in duality, as many have already illustrated in this thread. I would just like to take that concept further with respect to the transition taking place at this time. Thinking Service to Self = negative = evil and Service to Other-Selves = positive = virtuous, but forgetting their reliance on each other, is a fundamental error, thus necessitating a more objective perspective on the nature of Harvest.

I've been struggling internally with these concepts, as several facets of the Law of One seem paradoxical, but as I read further into the same information I am reminded of the universal theme permeating all--that of the Oneness and Nowness occurring eternally--the perfection of all of Creation--nothing right or wrong--and that free will is of paramount importance as each unique soul teaches/learns of the One Infinite Creator/Self.

Meditating on this, I am once again steered in the right direction, because to speculate about the reality of 4th density, or any density outside our current one, is somewhat futile. Judging ourselves and our other-selves based on these speculations thus becomes a vain effort. All we can do is continue work in aligning ourselves to the vibrations of higher energies, described by Ra and those in touch with their higher selves, in essence, as Love/Light. Or if your home is in 5th, Light/Love/Wisdom.

**Consider your passions and dreams of this life. Do they serve as catalyst for the teach/learn process, thus radiating self-knowledge and encouraging the same in other-selves? Then be of joy because this a very balanced state of mind! You work to further the progress of the self while in turn positively effecting those around you.**

This, I believe, is the key to STO and 4th or 5th density existence, and it fills me with love when I contemplate its possibilities.

Please comment with your thoughts because I'm teach/learning while writing this and could use some input.


P.S. Hi all, I'm new to the forum and the Law of One material but feel like I've known it longer than my own name.