what changes are you experiencing in the run-up to 2012?

Originally Posted by 11wanderer11

I almost forgot to mention the tones. A very high pitched ringing/vibration sound that I particularly notice at night time. Sounds like it could be a few frequencies blended together. It's not in the ears because it will still be in my head if I seal the ears. It's just like it permeates everything around. I suspect it'd be the energy influx david talks about. Another thing is occassionaly I'll have these interesting emotional flashbacks. Seemingly random thoughts of childhood memories from 'real life' or dreams that I hadn't ever thought of since will pop up from time to time and remind me of special feelings or awareness that I had experienced. It's hard to describe other than fleeting and surreal.

I've had the ringing often. At one point I discussed with my partner whether we were a psychops operation..whether we had been microchipped. We knew our symptoms aren't medical in nature because of the way that they are so we thought maybe we had been microchipped. We eventually dismissed it because we both come from completely different countries, have completely different body types and grew up in completely different families with obviously different doctors growing up.

Since we have numerically reverse birthdays we figured it was something "metaphysical" in nature. I don't dismiss anything but the symptoms we have are kind of kewl and I figure why would TPTB microchip people and give them kewl symptoms which give them certain abilities. Wouldn't make sense would it?

I wanted to repeat the most amazing thing we see now is the mind control and mental illness of people. The EGO is people's biggest enemy and clouds their perceptions of everything. It's horrible being in such a world where people endlessly spew out their belief systems and talk about their pasts and futures. Endless EGO identification blah blah blah. We just wish sometimes we could shut them all up.

Thanks again for your posts!

[Nova]

[QUOTE=Alloura;39303]Boy, I can really identify with the "insatiable hunger for spiritual knowledge"!!! I feel like a junkie, searching the net for more knowledge, more insights, more, more, I want MORE!!

Thank goodness others are having the extreme hunger for spiritual knowledge. My friend who doesn't want to discuss any of this with me said I remind her of Joan of Arc. She asked me where this drive and passion are coming from and I told her somewhere deep inside me, It seems I have an insatiable quest for knowledge.

I also have been plagued with nasal allergies since August that won't go away. I have many personal issues going on at home but seem to be quite calm and at peace considering everything. I just feel that I have something to do and I don''t know what it is. I'm hanging in there hoping everything will be revealed in due time.

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Originally Posted by Alloura

Boy, I can really identify with the "insatiable hunger for spiritual knowledge"!!! I feel like a junkie, searching the net for more knowledge, more insights, more, more, I want MORE!!

Thank goodness others are having the extreme hunger for spiritual knowledge. My friend who doesn't want to discuss any of this with me said I remind her of Joan of Arc. She asked me where this drive and passion are coming from and I told her somewhere deep inside me, It seems I have an insatiable quest for knowledge.

I also have been plagued with nasal allergies since August that won't go away. I have many personal issues going on at home but seem to be quite calm and at peace considering everything. I just feel that I have something to do and I don''t know what it is. I'm hanging in there hoping everything will be revealed in due time.

You know I've had the opposite with these symptoms and experience. I had an experience a couple years ago where I went through alot of emotional release and one night as I was sobbing in tears I had an epiphany...I realized I KNOW NOTHING. It made sound so simple but it just hit me. Tolle talks about losing everything including your beliefs to get to your pure essence beyond form and mind and boy I understand that. I'd lost everything including my beliefs and there I sat and cried and realized I know nothing and noone really knows anything.

Why am I saying this? Because I realized all the reading of writings is pointless and meaningless. Why? Because who wrote the writings? Where did that information come from? I realized if NOONE KNOWS ANYTHING then there is nothing to know because there is nothing to learn. So accumulating knowledge was pointless because this knowledge came from whom and from where?

It's like I tell the B'hai lady I live with. She told me that "I needed to make a stand" and have beliefs. I told her you may have your B'hai beliefs but who is correct the B'hai or the Christian or the new ager? I told her all three have accumulated spiritual "knowledge" but only one or none have the "truth". My point being that there is nothing to know because there is nothing to learn because you'll never know what the "truth" is.

It's the loss of beliefs that brings you to your true essence which is the NO-THING-NESS which we all are.

My belief is that we are solely consciousness. It's just my belief and I could be wrong but I've made that analysis based on some experiences I've had. I have this theory we've created this "movie in our one mind" to avoid the nothingness which is everything. That's why the collective EGO is insanity. How crazy would you get if you were running away from facing your true self which is nothing by endlessly imprisoning yourself in illusion?

There is nothign to learn because there is nothing to know. Illusion is illusion and nothing = nothing.

The biggest deceiver or trickster in this illusion is YOUR MIND. It will make you believe anything and everything.

Think about that!

[11wanderer11]

[QUOTE=billusion;51828]

Originally Posted by Nova

You know I've had the opposite with these symptoms and experience. I had an experience a couple years ago where I went through alot of emotional release and one night as I was sobbing in tears I had an epiphany...I realized I KNOW NOTHING. It made sound so simple but it just hit me. Tolle talks about losing everything including your beliefs to get to your pure essence beyond form and mind and boy I understand that. I'd lost everything including my beliefs and there I sat and cried and realized I know nothing and noone really knows anything.

Why am I saying this? Because I realized all the reading of writings is pointless and meaningless. Why? Because who wrote the writings? Where did that information come from? I realized if NOONE KNOWS ANYTHING then there is nothing to know because there is nothing to learn. So accumulating knowledge was pointless because this knowledge came from whom and from where?

It's like I tell the B'hai lady I live with. She told me that "I needed to make a stand" and have beliefs. I told her you may have your B'hai beliefs but who is correct the B'hai or the Christian or the new ager? I told her all three have accumulated spiritual "knowledge" but only one or none have the "truth". My point being that there is nothing to know because there is nothing to learn because you'll never know what the "truth" is.

It's the loss of beliefs that brings you to your true essence which is the NO-THING-NESS which we all are.

My belief is that we are solely consciousness. It's just my belief and I could be wrong but I've made that analysis based on some experiences I've had. I have this theory we've created this "movie in our one mind" to avoid the nothingness which is everything. That's why the collective EGO is insanity. How crazy would you get if you were running away from facing your true self which is nothing by endlessly imprisoning yourself in illusion?

There is nothign to learn because there is nothing to know. Illusion is illusion and nothing = nothing.

The biggest deceiver or trickster in this illusion is YOUR MIND. It will make you believe anything and everything.

Think about that!

I totally understand the concept of what you are saying but I think it might be a little flawed. If you don't fully understand (nobody in this world does) the exact processes of knowledge, then yeah, it may seem like it's just a bunch of people and their opinions, but I suggest to you that writings can indeed be 'inspired' and channeled by divine/higher sources. If there are universal, ultimate truths then those are certainly worth knowing and understanding. The only logical 'belief' to me is one that simply composes everything...all possibilities...infinite...everything and nothing...pretty much the law of one. You say we'll never know what the 'truth' is. I agree...in this lifetime/incarnation in 3d I think it's probably impossible to have fully conscious understanding of complete truth. But once we move on we'll remember what we intentionally forgot to get here. This world is indeed like a game or movie.

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Originally Posted by billusion

I totally understand the concept of what you are saying but I think it might be a little flawed. If you don't fully understand (nobody in this world does) the exact processes of knowledge, then yeah, it may seem like it's just a bunch of people and their opinions, but I suggest to you that writings can indeed be 'inspired' and channeled by divine/higher sources. If there are universal, ultimate truths then those are certainly worth knowing and understanding. The only logical 'belief' to me is one that simply composes everything...all possibilities...infinite...everything and nothing...pretty much the law of one. You say we'll never know what the 'truth' is. I agree...in this lifetime/incarnation in 3d I think it's probably impossible to have fully conscious understanding of complete truth. But once we move on we'll remember what we intentionally forgot to get here. This world is indeed like a game or movie.

Hi 11wanderer11,

Basically every belief you or I have has been downloaded since we were born. Your idea of "3D" or other concepts come from writings. In fact try to name one thing you or I believe that is original.

Fact remains we don't know if anyone is channeling anything other than their own minds and we don't know whether there is a divine or higher being. It's all speculation on people's parts.

People's minds will convince them of any "opium" whether it is "bliss" or some other happy ending. Like I said before people's minds are their biggest enemy.

Everything you have ever learned has been downloaded into you just like a computer. Where do these writings come from? Where do the beliefs your parents or the schools downloaded into you?

People's minds have been controlled and manipulated from day 1. It's not a question of whether you or I is mind controlled. It's a question of which downloading or programming did we receive.

There is no evidence of anything. There is a 50/50 chance either way.

There are no universal truths because those would also be speculation. In the end none of us know anything. What we have are beliefs but beliefs aren't the "truth".

[MarkM]

The rational intellectual mind is a tool for interfacing with the 3D world. It is often mistaken for the core of beingness, yet it is in reality a tool. Well, that's my opinion, and from the point of view of my rational mind I cannot know this for absolute certainty.

It's an interesting place to be, being in the state of realization that when considering the mind alone, nothing is known for sure. It can be a little unsettling - I know, I've been there.

There is a property of true knowing, and paradoxically it doesn't arise from the rational, thinking and calculating simian mind. Ever have a moment of special, tender and touching communion with a loved one, felt the beauty of a summer day welling up within? I know I've had these moments, I have felt love and beauty. These things arise from the heart center, and when I ask if I know I've felt them, I realize that I'm applying the rational proof-seeking mind to the task.

When I feel a resonance which fills me with joy while reading the Ra material or some of the Q'uo transcripts for example, It's of little importance to me at that time where this 'channeling' is from. The rational mind left to it's own devices will always be able to offer 'rational' explanations and alternative theories as to what mental, brain centered processes are responsible for the phenomena, and reduce beautiful heart centered experiencing to chemical reactions and bio-physical actions/reactions.

I tend to avoid the term, 'intuitive knowledge' as much as possible, because I tend to equate the concept of knowledge with the needs of the intellect to sort the world into tidy packets of 'knowable' info, proven and peer-reviewable - demonstrable and beyond scientific reproach. Intuitive experiencing seems more the ticket! If I feel a rush of love and appreciation, (non intellectual or rational) the question of whether I am self deluded is a moot point. I wouldn't say I know I'm experiencing this, I'd simply say I'm experiencing this. The rationalizing and proof seeking mind doesn't always have to be involved in my experiencing!

The mind which seeks proof and knowledge can run into trouble when it realizes that it indeed knows nothing for certain. This has been the downfall of many who reach this point of 'knowing they know nothing' () yet this state of finally realizing the frontiers of limitation of the mind can lead one to the exploration of the heart centered and intuitive medium of experiencing. In fact, one may actually cotton on to the experience that the harmonized interaction between the mind and the heart can open up frontiers of a truer, more direct experiencing of consciousness.

This is a territory which lies beyond mental constructs and sensual interaction with this material world. This hybrid being of mind/intuition can lead to the surmounting of the identification with the illusory world, and actually lead one to directly perceive the conscious framework upon which the material world is hung. Hard to try to describe, as words themselves are constructs of the mind! Mark

[Bill]

I was talking with a friend the other day, and those were the words that came out of my mouth, in response to her question of how I was doing...

It was a really confusing, trying, humbling month. On the one hand, I keep expecting the 'other shoe to drop' regarding the whole financial situation, disclosure, etc. and waiting for that. On the other hand, that has allowed me to come to terms with the notion of what if they don't happen? What if disclosure does not occur? What if it is not 'real'? What if I am stuck with my debt's forever? The positive note in all of this is that since it has not occurred yet, I really had to deal with those questions. It has allowed me to go through that experience, and move towards being okay with it, and looking at what shadows that has brought up.

Not sure, maybe I am rambling here, but that is why October was just really 'weird' for me.

[Matthew Clark]

Originally Posted by Bill

I was talking with a friend the other day, and those were the words that came out of my mouth, in response to her question of how I was doing...

It was a really confusing, trying, humbling month. On the one hand, I keep expecting the 'other shoe to drop' regarding the whole financial situation, disclosure, etc. and waiting for that. On the other hand, that has allowed me to come to terms with the notion of what if they don't happen? What if disclosure does not occur? What if it is not 'real'? What if I am stuck with my debt's forever? The positive note in all of this is that since it has not occurred yet, I really had to deal with those questions. It has allowed me to go through that experience, and move towards being okay with it, and looking at what shadows that has brought up.

Not sure, maybe I am rambling here, but that is why October was just really 'weird' for me.

Hi Bill,

October was a bit of a weird month for me too. A few trials and tribulations here and there but in amongst it all, precious lessons of learning and growing.

Things must be happening because just a few months ago, I would not have even given a thought to half of what I am thinking now.

In some ways, its as if instinct is beginning to kick in that something very big, real and uplifting is just around the corner.

I would say this my friend, hang on in there, keep at it and stay as positive as you can.

The end of this system and the beginning of a new one cannot be that far away now.

As for the rest of your post, I would say this,

When life throws you a lemon, then its time to make lemonade

With love and light,

Matt

[FIIISH]

Often times, I say only like half of what I'm thinking subconsciously or something, expecting people to fully understand what I mean or know what I'm thinking. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

I find myself doing this more and more. Speaking seems to be a waste of energy- I would
rather project my thought.

It's helpful to know that others are experiencing this as well.

[evolving]

Perhaps this thread could be re-named to

"What changes are you not experiencing?"