Will our dead be with us in 4th dimension??

[aqcheryl]

Originally Posted by Whitewolf

What about their unwilling victims? (sorry for the delayed reply)

A victim is only tied to their persecutor by choice. Since all is meant to be revealed to us, if we are given our way out from our persecutors grasp, yet refuse to take it, it still remains our choice.

[GuideMySpirit]

The hardest but most important thing to do is to not grasp onto these ideas and thoughts to much, because this really brings up a lot of unwanted emotion and ego.

I know it's hard to take, but you have to remember the illusion you live in, and that there truly is no separation between 'you' and 'them'.

The best thing you can do is to create the mindset to truly understand that concept through meditation and learning (by reading books and articles).

Attaching yourself bounds you to this density heavily because you become grounded to a greater extent to the ways of this plain. You must look past that and try to connect back to the Source and become one with it, then I believe you will truly feel everything.

[aqcheryl]

Originally Posted by GuideMySpirit

The hardest but most important thing to do is to not grasp onto these ideas and thoughts to much, because this really brings up a lot of unwanted emotion and ego.

I know it's hard to take, but you have to remember the illusion you live in, and that there truly is no separation between 'you' and 'them'.

The best thing you can do is to create the mindset to truly understand that concept through meditation and learning (by reading books and articles).

Attaching yourself bounds you to this density heavily because you become grounded to a greater extent to the ways of this plain. You must look past that and try to connect back to the Source and become one with it, then I believe you will truly feel everything.

Except that when someone feels separation from others, they are feeling - and therefore to feel everything you must experience everyting; this includes separation.

You cannot love what you cannot appreciate, so we must face trials to learn its opposite. There is no love without hate, etc.

So the true illusion is to turn your back on the emotions and yes even the ego. We have to accept these parts of ourselves, not dissolve them completely. They are the ones that allow us to discern between love and hate.

Its also better to grasp onto ideas and thoughts that one chooses, because by doing so, more discernment - and learning - is possible. If we never questioned a thing, if we never give anything deep thought - even the negative things - we will never gain knowledge and we will never grow. Therefore its not wise to say dont think on these things much - that leads to stagnation, and ultimately, ignorance.

Do not forget that we are here in this density because we are meant to be. So many people fall in the trap of disregarding the wonder of this density. They forget that we are here for a purpose, and that alone is very important and something we will lose when we move to the next level. We shouldnt forgo our 3d lives by waiting for the future. Find the joys in this life, and live your life now. Anticipate the future, and future levels, but in no way disrespect the 3d existence by trying to shed it. This leads to despising it, and that is more negative then anything else.

To be here, at this time, in this density, and in this dimension - it is our gift.

[Wanderer Awoken green eye]

I don't know what david has said at all of this question. But with what I know in the 5th dimension we will have our hidden abilities opened completely. We will actually be able to visit the beings that have decided to go on to heaven/ 5th dimension! But their are those who might still choose to evolve according to their evolution. Im not so positive on this one but Davd mentions that every one has to reincarnate no matter what, but I find this rediculous since that isn't free will at all. Since we all fell to their manipulation not caused my my conciousness here and now! I know that their is a choice with this decision on who decides to go to heaven or who decides to evolve conciously. We will actually be able to see and talk to our loved ones who have passed on to heaven.

[Viracocha]

It's an interesting thought, maybe the 4th dimension is what we know as heaven, hopefully we do get the chance to see our loved ones or all those who haveinspired us over the years

[evolving]

Originally Posted by Wanderer Awoken green eye

I don't know what david has said at all of this question. But with what I know in the 5th dimension we will have our hidden abilities opened completely. We will actually be able to visit the beings that have decided to go on to heaven/ 5th dimension! But their are those who might still choose to evolve according to their evolution. Im not so positive on this one but Davd mentions that every one has to reincarnate no matter what, but I find this rediculous since that isn't free will at all. Since we all fell to their manipulation not caused my my conciousness here and now! I know that their is a choice with this decision on who decides to go to heaven or who decides to evolve conciously. We will actually be able to see and talk to our loved ones who have passed on to heaven.

There is no "heaven". That term is one given to us by religion. There are "densities", each acording to a vibratory level/ specific refraction of light, as it were.

Although you do not remember it as so, you came to this earth in this density in this incarnation under a contract which you, of your own free will, accepted, otherwise you would not be here. Your higher and future selves understand this, even if you do not at this time. This is your free will to not accept it in the here and now.

Your next incarnation after this one will most likely again be in third density on another planet, and you may come into contact again with other selves who have gone before you in this incarnation (died), though you most likely will not recognize them as those you knew in this incarnation. If they are bonded to you and they have not ascended, this is most likely what will transpire.

[Theresaann]

We will not "see" loved ones who have crossed in the "4th dimension." We MAY, however, develop the clairvoyant faculties to communicate with them.

Those who have departed are wherever they are depending on their level of soul development. The key thing to remember is that as long as we are incarnate (incarnated into a "body vehicle" that is evolving through 3D and into 4D consciousness) our experience is centered around being INCARNATE-that is, we still have our physical/etheric 5 sense experience. Those who have crossed over do not still have those, do not need them.

The important thing to remember is that ultimately we are all one BEING. Given that, we certainly CAN communicate and connect with ALL beings, whether incarnate or disincarnate. But the point is to AWAKEN. Its all relative, AND its all an illusion, AND its all happening in the NOW, and the 4th dimension is about becoming a conscious creator-getting that "I" am the creator of my reality. LOVE PEACE JOY TRUTH!

[aqcheryl]

Originally Posted by evolving

There is no "heaven". That term is one given to us by religion. There are "densities", each acording to a vibratory level/ specific refraction of light, as it were.

Sure there is heaven - for if we think it, it exists. Enough people believe in its concept, that it exists. Its a bit like in that movie Merlin with Sam Neill, in which at the end the way they truly destroy Queen Mab is to 'forget' her.

If no one thought of heaven, ever - it wouldnt exist. But on the same token here - heaven is more of a concept then it is a plane of being. So to us, 4d is heaven, as it is/will embody everything we imagine heaven to be.

And in 4d, 5d will probably become our new concept of heaven, if we choose to have one.

[evolving]

Originally Posted by aqcheryl

Sure there is heaven - for if we think it, it exists. Enough people believe in its concept, that it exists. Its a bit like in that movie Merlin with Sam Neill, in which at the end the way they truly destroy Queen Mab is to 'forget' her.

If no one thought of heaven, ever - it wouldnt exist. But on the same token here - heaven is more of a concept then it is a plane of being. So to us, 4d is heaven, as it is/will embody everything we imagine heaven to be.

And in 4d, 5d will probably become our new concept of heaven, if we choose to have one.

I would suggest that :

• Heaven is what man used to describe 4D STOS, where our world is as we each desire it.
• Hell is what man used to describe 4D STS. , where the world is as other more powerful entities desire it, but for the one who reigns.

[transiten]

Goodmorning

What about the idea that those who have "gone to the other side" and can communicate with a medium telling us still living on earth they are just happy and fine might be in "heaven" and those "lost souls" who come back to haunt earthlings and don't understand they are dead might be "stuck in hell".

I have had contact with most of my deceased relatives via mediums that have pinpointed extremely accurate and abundant details about themselves and my lifesituation.

There a mediums that can contact disturbed souls and guide them back to "the light", i know one personally and have seen several trustworthy ones doing this on swedish TV.

There might be several versions of "heavens" and "hells" since i don't think those waiting in "bardo" to reincarnate have ascended to 4D ´positive or negative.

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