Reincarnation

**billybobbutterball** · 06-20-2009, 08:00 PM

hi, foo

i had to come back to your post because the problem of infinity has always caught my confused interest. your illustration of proving the reality of infinity by challenging one to count from one to the end (a task fated to fail!) merely whets one's philosophical appetite.

as i understand it the concept of some infinite value is more on the order of a completed set rather than just some innumerable immensity. that in turn invites the thought that some infinities may be larger than others...be that as it may, it is the nature of infinity --say of a "number" -- that one cannot simply add a number to it to make it larger. (infinity + 1 just doesn't do it -- a mathematical fact that underlines the weakness of failed human intuition.)

now, forgetting all that above, let's turn everything upside down by considering the idea of something being infinitely small. to me that idea seemed a no-brainer impossibility. bigger is limitless, but smaller and smaller??

it is one thing to think bigger and bigger, but how does something get smaller and smaller without simply running out of space and disappearing altogether at a point just below subatomic particle size. at some point in downsizing one would assume that there would finally be nothing left to be divided further?

so i thought i was being really learned and smart when i would correct comments alluding to something being infinitely small....i would smugly point out that it was in fact merely apparently infinitely small. and some people actually believed me.

then a post came here to dc concerning the physics of nassim harramein. nassim showed how it could be done... as the image of a fractal was downsized the computer could accommodate its smaller image, reset, and thus keep it on screen while it was endlessly divided again and again. so, my lauded intuition had failed once again. big time.

sooo! infinity runs both ways! the cosmos is much bigger in all directions than thought. the idea that there is an infinite division of levels defining a particular density is for reals!

best! billybobfractulated

Originally Posted by foosnik

here's my couple o cents:

god is infinite. probably the hardest (or maybe impossible) concept to grasp for a human being. infinity. there is always enough. always.

a human being tends to think from point a to point b. this is the nature of this trip we signed up for. but the truth is that there is no beginning or end. time is bendable and pliable. everything is.

how do i know this? try this:

count from 1 to the end...

see what i mean? that in and of itself is proof of an infinite god.

**MarkM** · 06-20-2009, 11:15 PM

infinity reminds me of movement, as with every possible movement, infinite gradations of distance have been traveled. reminds me of my life!

any movement indicates to me the saturation of infinite variability of possibility. thinking fractals, imagine a shrinking recursive flow inwards towards infinitely small. that program continually goes back into finer and finer causative potentializing of the present moment, even though the computerized process of shrinking is a misnomer - the full infinite shrinkage exists only in the now. the full infinite ballooning into large also is something to think about... or maybe not, as comprehending these things is not in the province of intellectual rigour, but perhaps a simple gut/heart/head feeling of the moment.

okay, sorry to relapse/reprise my salad days of ruminating on infinity, i thought i was past this! in trying to encounter infinity in my younger days, i missed out on the concept of one. one is fully the expression of infinity, now, for me, and it seems that meditation on one (not zero... there is no nothing..) as the central key to infinity is both comforting for me, and indicative of my polarity; and the exit ramp from the third density propensity to sit gaga at the mind blowing and ever elusive concept of ... infinity. that the one encompasses and contains infinity is enough to prompt me to shout from my bedroom ramparts to the world that the mystery is solved... ?

i guess that any mathematical equation, seeking to encompass reality, must needs resolve ultimately into one. hmm - ultimate

- a concept perhaps pegged onto infinity, but ultimately, there is but one.

an interesting direction of thought, while also serving as a great heart muse. service to others being identified with knowing/living/feeling that even the grass holds a balance of youness. the same lifeness that fills and motivates you. one life, one heart. many expressions. glory. one.

this is one post i probably won't get in the morning, i'm realizing i'll mostly be interested in breakfast - but as bill says, it's not the infinite variability of difference, it's the construing of some sense of all of us being somehow linked into each other in a way that winds up at the end of it all as us being the same poor ol' bugger. mr. snail is you as you are/were. are, were.

and it goes from a mere idea and into a system of experiencing our others. we finally get the full nature of our kinship. mark one being. our one being. each as the other in a slightly shifted point of view, and set of patterns of unique experience. it's like the boy i was, with his set of likes and dislikes, is no more removed from me than you are - it's just that you and i have had more time in which to define our differences. variable by city, or nation, or continent. our relative width of divergence is corrected instantly by applying the unfractured concept/feeling of oneness. our differences pale against the truth of our identification, one to the one. seems philosophical perhaps, but this goes beyond concepts, and really is for me the bare truth, exposed for some others to expound upon. mark

**transiten** · 06-21-2009, 12:11 AM

hello mark!

in fact there is "no thing"= potential before manifestation and potential always "exist" and cannot "expire"..

"mina två ören" = my two cents

transiten

**billybobbutterball** · 06-21-2009, 12:42 PM

hi faithful readers.

in order to avoid being moderated for seemingly veering off the initial topic --reincarnation --i want to state for the record that in the final analysis all is found connected. (this sneaky justification will be allowed for this one occasion only

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basic premise: reality must be one thing because of the integration of all.

the importance of the total concept of infinity -- infinitely small in one direction and humongous in the other -- is vital to our recognizing certain elements that can be extracted from the law of one.

the helpful but stunning concept of a holographic cosmos runs into an intellectual problem if the idea of infinitely small is not accepted. in a holographic cosmos the smallest sub particle contains the all. think a moment about that ... unless the tiniest element possesses the quality of infiniteness the whole concept goes into the bag...it can't work otherwise.

(incidentally, this holographic concept is also found in hindu philosophy as the doctrine known as "the jewels of indra") in this concept the cosmos is pictured studded with an infinite network of beautiful soul-embodied jewels, which in the reflection found in each is --yes!-- contained the entire whole of all! )

infinity may be the clue to timeless travel. what we think of as being mere matter has the property of infinity and thus connected to the all. please take a look at this link:

http://www.spaceandmotion.com/

it advances the profoundly radical idea designated as"the standing wave theory of matter". it proposes the concept that the totality of our very being/actions/thoughts is reciprocally registered instantly to all parts of the cosmos, and one can imagine that he/she/it is already in a sense indexed at any part of the universe, and thus can manifest there instantly....i.e., no time lag, no speed-of-light limitation. (admittedly this is very advanced stuff and not to be tried at home!

)

pondering all this makes the idea of reincarnation seem an incidental footnote of mere transitory importance compared to the immensity of our total journey. yeah, we reincarnate, but trying to piece together the details may be more of a hindrance than a help to our journey...digging in the past may uncover some nasty past life stuff that would shock us to the core (aagghhh! how could i have done that??!!!) for example, i have a dear friend of whom i suspect that -- caught up in a religious frenzy -- gleefully lit the fagots at my (speculative) burning-at-the-stake experience some few hundred years ago...or did i do it to her?

) well, she does like cats, especially black ones.

ok. thanks for listening. reindarnation or not our main job is to love others as we are supposed to love ourself -- and of course to love the one creator with all our heart and being. yeah, all that is easier said than done...so we need to pray and practice a bunch.

usual disclaimer

all the above is my opinion -- of which i hope contains marginally more truth than falsehood -- and if it doesn't resonate with you, please say a kind prayer for my confused soul...then dump it...
(eekk! no, dummy, not the soul...the opinions! duh!

)

best, etc. billybobbumblebrain

**FooSnik** · 06-21-2009, 07:54 PM

the importance of the total concept of infinity -- infinitely small in one direction and humongous in the other -- is vital to our recognizing certain elements that can be extracted from the law of one.

yes! i am of the same opinion. to recognized god, and thus ourselves and our "circumstances" as being infinite and having infinite possibilities is the key, i believe. the knowledge of infinity is the greatest power.

pondering all this makes the idea of reincarnation seem an incidental footnote of mere transitory importance compared to the immensity of our total journey. yeah, we reincarnate, but trying to piece together the details may be more of a hindrance than a help to our journey...digging in the past may uncover some nasty past life stuff that would shock us to the core (aagghhh! how could i have done that??!!!) for example, i have a dear friend of whom i suspect that -- caught up in a religious frenzy -- gleefully lit the fagots at my (speculative) burning-at-the-stake experience some few hundred years ago...or did i do it to her? ) well, she does like cats, especially black ones.

hehe... and infinite time makes the whole wanderer thing null and void as well, in my opinion. because if infinity is a truth and we are all microcosms of infinity, then, we have no beginning or end. no one started on earth or will end on earth. we all have had infinite lives in any of infinite other worlds or dimensions.

it is like trying to think about being everywhere at once. seeing through every human beings eyes all at once. which is god. he is everywhere all at once. when we try to think about it our minds throw up the "blue screen of death" like an old computer that can't process that amount of info fast enough. some people have achieved this during a mystical experience in which they experience the infinity of god and being everywhere at once. but it is fleeting.

it advances the profoundly radical idea designated as"the standing wave theory of matter". it proposes the concept that the totality of our very being/actions/thoughts is reciprocally registered instantly to all parts of the cosmos, and one can imagine that he/she/it is already in a sense indexed at any part of the universe, and thus can manifest there instantly....i.e., no time lag, no speed-of-light limitation. (admittedly this is very advanced stuff and not to be tried at home! )

fascinating stuff! and it is weird because this goes right along with some stuff i have been thinking about lately.

so every little tiny "anything" in this world holds everything within. infinity is the secret behind miracles. how can you change something into something else? water into wine? because the water already is wine. the water holds everything already in it. and time is similarly compliant to our needs.

think of, for example, that the world is like a television screen (or lcd screen for the techies). and every pixel on the screen holds every possible color it could possibly need to be. this is the reason why the screen can show a seemingly infinite possibility of images. well everything is like this.

just to know that i live within the infinite gives me a certain liberating sense of power over my life and my destiny. so whenever someone says, "that is not possible", i have to say, "how could it not be possible within infinity?"

i am going to shut up now because i could ramble for a long time about this. this has really got me going.

anyway, i loved reading your posts, bbb and markm. one of the few places i get to talk about stuff like this. and of course, like bbb said, this is just my opinion of the moment which is ever changing as i continually get hit with knowledge bombs that seem to totally rearrange what i thought i knew. and shows me that i really know very little.

**AmentiHall** · 06-21-2009, 11:39 PM

i like the posts in this topic.

reincarnation thought of in linear-time form imo is an incorrect concept. "you" are incarnating in multiple time vectors, in various vessels at the same time. what is viewed as past and future lives, within the view of a singuliarty, is happening all at once.

you do have many entities incarnating here from all spectrum of density and universe. also...new "life" is being sparked at all times. we are all, pieces and fragments of one another living through individualized units of consciousness for maximum efficiency of infinite potentials. the indidualization is both a gift, and an illusion because in reality, we are all one and one is all. as we seperated we experience the "poker game" of life so to speak, in it's full benefit of learning and the gift of personal existence and identity...the gift of free will existence. reincarnation is a part of the system..and honestly, quite unnatural on this planet as it has been veiled (and we forget who we are).

often times, what seems like other lives can be the viewing of memories of the collective consciousness, or of a "group" soul.

take care.

**Love dont hurt** · 06-22-2009, 02:11 AM

all souls are good but flesh drag ego thoghts !
i think were gonna calibrate our souls to be in tune with earth and vibrate more harmonic to eachother so there will come end of times as we now it !
this was just a thought coming from nowere but it fells good do.
so i hope all reincarnated and all souls in universe will help this quest become reality,
jump on the soultrain to love and peace !
star nations here we come.
i am just a little exited but ho cares lol

**meganarline** · 06-22-2009, 05:33 AM

on coast to coast am tonight

tonight's show - monday, june 22nd:

bruce & andrea leininger will discuss the entire story of their young son james who remembered vivid details of a previous life as a world war ii pilot, and who many claim is a living example of one of the most compelling cases so far for reincarnation.

should be a good show.

megan

**Nirvana** · 09-01-2009, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by sammy six string

now, imagine looking at the mirror... creation is like breaking that one mirror into zillions of pieces. each spark of consciousness is just a fragment of mirror, yet together we are the reflection of "the one."

right there, is wisdom. one of the best metaphores i have heard in a while :-)

thank you!

**aqcheryl** · 09-06-2009, 10:18 PM

so not everything, it seems, is infinite. our universe had a birth... but what 'gave birth' to it? and so on.

i have a theory, that there are two kinds of rebirth. reincarnation in the physical sense - and reincarnation of the soul. is it quite possible that after a soul, or soul group hits 8th density - theyve hit 100% knowledge of being, of everything.. it becomes the life force... that they then rebirth themselves starting the process all over again?

so theres a new soul... and what if it splits into two... theres two new souls.
so the life force is infinite but perhaps the soul itself is not... it has its own rebirth, just as our souls are reborn in the physical. for now. just a thought.