Jesus

[Understanding]

jesus had many teachings...i remember in the bible it says if you commit blasphemy of the holy spirit it is the unforgiveable sin....so if one does this what is the point of their exsistence?

[moderator: please note that jesus did not say "if you commit blasphemy of the holy spirit it is the unforgiveable sin"]

[SuperManny]

the only "unforgivable sin" imho, is the type where the 'sinner' has not risen above the event, i.e. doesn't feel sorry; would do it again, etc.

i don't believe that any single act; blasphemy, etc. could never be forgiven for eternity, especially if the person would see the error of their ways, and not do it anymore.

[MarkM]

from what i have gathered of jesus' teachings, one of the concepts he was trying to get across to us is that no man has the right to judge another (remember, "let the blameless among you cast the first stone").

i suppose that harlotry was considered in those days as being blasphemy, and the young lady in question was certainly worthy of his forgiveness.

much of the old testament teaching was in reality a human engendered social/legal system. as these systems were heavily in place at the time of the advent of jesus, (systems in which the concept of mercy had no place) he had the 'audacity' to challenge this rigid, unforgiving system, and try to augment it with the mercy concept.

this 'blasphemy' of jesus' is what in part led to his crucifixion.

one of the joys of spiritual seeking in the present day of 'revealing' is to discover that there is no condemnation from a spiritual standpoint. god is infinitely forgiving and patient, and will give us an eternity, if necessary, to overcome our so-called shortcomings and grow at our own speed.

from this you can infer that you need have no fear of god, and indeed, have no fear whatsoever for your immortal soul. we are all guaranteed a place at his side! all paths are acceptable to the one infinite creator!:d :d :d

yours in love and forgiveness, mark

[soup]

possibly this could brush on a relationship triad:
the church, the holy spirit, and mary.

my impression is that at some point "the church"
subordinated the role of "mary" in their practice.
if there is some important relationship between
"mary" and "the holy spirit", then there could be
some glint of blasphemy there.

so it seems possible that "organizations"
like "individuals" may see the error of their
ways and not do it anymore, congruent with
a repentant attitude (i.e. in harmony with
christian teachings.)

[SpiralCycle]

a sin is an action out of free will that bars us from the highest love/god/nirvana/the source ect ect. the more bars we put up against what could be termed as meditation the more we sin or fall away from him. meditation meaning the highest awareness of the highest self; omnipresent and unnattched which usually brings the highest love possible. no one can eternally fight the source of thier being and all will eventually return to god's kingdom "nirvana" because it is our natural state that we have forgotten hence "the fall from eden".

jesus was completely in tune with the source or god. some have seen "god's kingdom" and have put most of thier entitys into it but jesus eventually became one with it completely in human form.

[Kris]

[quote=understanding;22901]jesus had many teachings...i remember in the bible it says if you commit blasphemy of the holy spirit it is the unforgiveable sin....so if one does this what is the point of their exsistence?]

dear understanding

your question has caused a great deal of thinking on my part. i have been filled with anxiety and fear since you first posted it five days ago.

you are quite right, jesus did say in mark and in matthew that blasphemy against the holy spirit is the unforgiveable sin. because this has caused me so much anxiety, i have done a lot of reading on this subject and i believe that what was meant by this was in regard to the fact that the pharisses publicly credited satan for jesus' miracles at that time. therefore, i believe that you would actually have to think of jesus as evil in order to not be forgiven.

the fear your question caused me personally was that since the law of one truly resonates with me, (and i am new to this) does that mean that according to the bible i am rejecting christ and thereby may possibly burn in hell for eternity.

i realize that what i have been going through has been a catalyst to deal with my fear issues (of which i have a few). my father became a "born again christian" when i was 13 years old and so you can only imagine the fears that have been instilled in me.

i would much rather believe in a philosophy that is not fear based, where there is no such thing as eternal damnation, only many lifetimes of opportunities to get things right and be of service to others as we make our way through the densities back to him.

[Art]

...so you can only imagine the fears that have been instilled in me.

i would much rather believe in a philosophy that is not fear based, where there is no such thing as eternal damnation, only many lifetimes of opportunities to get things right and be of service to others as we make our way through the densities back to him.

well done kris. :d i've been "preaching" more or less to those who bring up the topic - close friends, colleagues - usually "disgruntled" christians. i wouldn't ever claim to understand how the religion of christianity grew to what it is today, but there are many examples throughout history of where "the powers that be" have withheld and polluted the true teachings, the true meanings, just to "rule" with fear. not to mention the pervisions of "the church" throughout history, including paying priests to be "forgiven" and the horribly sick things priests do today and the church seemingly tolerates!

this isn't to say that every church is "bad". however, i do believe there is "close-mindedness" and even hippocracy in how there members think and act.

i don't know what all the true meanings of christianity are, but i prefer to focus on how jesus lived his life - as an instrument of "god", one who loved all - in service to others, ultimately leading to his sacrifice, resurrection, and ascension. and, i always keep in mind that the bible is a collection of stories and an omission of others, translated many times throughout history to what it is today. man wrote the stories, man determined what to "leave in" and what to "take out", or withhold. there are divine truths within it, but in my opinion, the bible is not the whole story.

jesus exists inside me - inside each and every one of us. i too am a student of the law of one. there is no conflict. jesus "injected" love into this world, so that the "game" could progress and we could experience what we are today. many other "masters" have brought miracles to this world. religion to me is a man-made institution of moral instruction. i try to take the best from each and merge these ideas, but wouldn't claim to be a member of any church. however, my spirituality is personal - a personal connection to the source of all that is - the one. there are no rules, no dogmatic codes - just the choice of whether i too want to be an instrument of "god" - i have the free will to do so. to me, that is the true essence of this "spiritual evolution" that we are all participating in - the yearning for understanding, purpose...for truth.

its is so great to be experiencing these times, both as participant and observer. to know there are others out there having the same questions and experiences brings me comfort. there is nothing to fear - we are, after all, human, and can make mistakes along the way. you never "learn" by getting it right the first time - you learn through mistakes. so take comfort in all that you do - experiencing the catalysts for growth. advancing our capabilities for forgiveness, compassion, love. these are the "christ" qualities. you're perfect the way you are. in the eyes of the creator. and in the eyes of jesus. :d

art

p.s. - in a previous discussion with christian friends (prior to joining this forum, loo awareness, etc.), they were fearful of "judgement" and "the end of the world", etc. from memory, parts of what i said to them then - "there will be a second coming of jesus. but, it will not come from outer space, or the heavens, etc. jesus will not suddenly appear before you. it will come from within each and every one of us. a bright light will begin to grow inside our hearts and eventually burst through, signaling the arrival of universal love. you have a choice - to choose love, or not to. and you should choose now..." remarkably, this description is analgous to "green-ray activation" (per my understanding) as described in the loo transcripts... refreshing.

[MarkM]

a concept of unforgiveable sin in this biblical regard may originate more with the 1st and 2nd century chroniclers of the life and times of jesus, filtering the memory of jesus' words through their own pre-conceived notions of a limit to the patience and forgivability of god.

we now understand that there are those who actively learn mastery of the garnering and manipulation of universal light/love energy, purposefully inverting, as it were, the application of this energy in order to gain power and control over others. these are they that aspire (consciously knowing or otherwise) to fourth density negative.

i would expect that there are some horrible experiences in store for these individuals, especially as they enter at the bottom of the pecking order, and may have to endure some semblance of damnation in a topsy-turvy world of dominating and being dominated for what may seem to be an eternity, or as long as it takes to reach sixth density.

i suspect that those big time power brokers of earth who are at least ninety five percent service to self have a real fear of fourth density negative, and this might indeed explain such things as the montauk project and other attempted means of forestalling their own harvest from 3d earth.

kris, our fear issues are an opportunity to heal old wounds and shine the light of understanding on dimly lit corridors of ourselves. those things which we fear in the night are seen in the light of day to be nothing more than the shadow of an old tree branch casting an eerie shadow on our bedroom wall.

ask your own higher self for guidance on these matters, and take this opportunity exorcize old 'demons'. the only thing to fear is fear itself.

-mark

[billybobbutterball]

hi guys. as it happened i just sent a private message that addresses some of the questions raised on "our" jesus thread. the person i'm addressing below has been busy defending his anglican position on another thread contained on the atheistically-oriented site of the ultra hard-line evolutionist, richard dawkins.

most interesting discussions on r.d. ... of course, considering the law of confusion, not much can be accomplished one way or the other by either side in the way of altering the concepts of each other.

however, i thought that the highly intelligent "jerome" -- as a theistic true believer --should take a look at the law of one, etc,

from: skykieng
to: jerome

hi, jerome. glad to hear that you and your wife are surviving the uk floods!

i had suggested that you go to llresearch.org and do a search under jesus/christ. i took my own advice and went for another look-see. below my preamble is section from one example that i find very interesting.

first:

during the process of studying myself out of christianity i became convinced that the story details of jesus was so flawed that it could only be reconciled by evoking the mythological explanation. the usual argument against that would be that there was not enough time to allow the myth to form,(w.g.t. shedd, dogmatic theology 1884 ) but considering that myths were already in place they could in fact be utilized and built upon -- so to me it seemed that the classical apologetic of shedd was effectively side-stepped.

when i encountered the ra material and its spin-offs i had to further readjust my thinking about the person and work of this jesus. however this development did not send me scurrying back to the established church with hat in hand.

from other channelings it seems that "jesus" came as a wanderer from the highest upper gradient of the positive 4th dimension. in fact this very same social memory complex had also been involved in such earlier ventures as the figure of krishna and budhism. ( the 4th dimension is one of extreme love to the point of sacrifice -- but sans the particular wisdom/knowledge that comes in the 5th and 6th. ) of interest is that the personality of jesus is not now involved with the earth, per se. that social memory complex is entering into the 5th. the christ aspect is of course an altogether different case and not limited to a particular "individual". one complication in trying to unravel all of these comings and goings is that the 3rd is in space/time while the higher ones are in time/space ...and there are parallel time lines to really confuse things! (one might venture that "time is so that everything doesn't seem to be happening at once" )

i might point out that according to the philosophy given by the ra we are under a "law of confusion" which is designed to protect our apparant and most vital freedom of will. thus it is virtually impossible to "irrefutably prove" some types of touchy informational facts. (there is a modest example of that reservation given below)

"the knotty question of just who/what the q'uo "is" has been recently featured on the divinecosmos.com discussion group -- which i have contributed to. also i have added my two-bits worth to a discussion concerning pantheism -- whether or not that designation fits the "law of one"... which i argue against ... if you visit divine cosmos you can recognize me as a certain billybobbutterball.


the perfect life

(q’uo, december 14, 1986)

i am q’uo and i greet you in the love and in the light of the one infinite creator, in whose name and in whose service we answer your call. we greet each of you this evening and thank you for the privilege of being allowed to share our thoughts with you. we urge you as always to remember that we offer our personal opinions and our beliefs, not infallibility. therefore, listen to us in good will, but lay down those thoughts that do not seem helpful.

we find that in speaking about the subject of jesus the christ, we must be more careful than usual to guard against infringement upon free will, for this entity is centrally important to some of those present, and we wish our words not to be stumbling blocks nor to be paths into an unproductive wilderness but rather helpful disclosures for neutral information. there are some levels of understanding above that which you in third density enjoy which are necessary for the grasp of the full nature of jesus the christ, for you who seek this entity shall be in part a mystery to the conscious mind, not because there was an intention to be mysterious, but because the nature of christ is mystery.

the entity known as jehoshua, whom greeks called jesus, or rather, jesu, was born closely upon the heels of midsummer, very few years before that year suggested by your histories, approximately five and one-half years. we believe this is the correct measurement. we are sorry, but your numbering does not make enough sense to us. we understand your moons, but not your numbers.

we cannot speak about what this instrument calls the virgin birth, and invoke the law of confusion, saying only that each new soul first awakened to its perception of itself as an eternal being has experienced the virgin birth.

the event was difficult and the birth was indeed humble, though brightened by an optical illusion, shall we say, a most unusual configuration within the heavens which caused there to appear to be for some of your months an unusually bright cluster of light in the night sky. the combination of the christ with a serviceable life channel was powerful, and many psychic events occurred before and after the event as well as at the time of it. astrologer kings did indeed journey following the star; however, the arrival was approximately a year and a half later. that indeed is a spiritual adventure you would do well to ponder as you approach your own stable looking for the newborn, guided by hope, the brightest star of your being.

the entity, jesus, was loved and loved in return, but his mind drove him to be alone. for though too young to have established to his own satisfaction the nature of his being, he had tremendous hunger for wisdom. you would call this entity a child prodigy. the entity taught many, many more things than are written and could continue teaching for an eternity, yet what has been recorded is typical enough of the teaching’s content in general that we do not choose to take this opportunity to adjust the teachings that are recorded. it is not only that there is some infringement upon free will, although that is part of our caution. we also do not wish to sway those who have not become interested in the christ to alter their viewpoints ...

snip

trust you are a speed-reader ...otherwise sorry for so much writings! my best, from the colonies, skykieng, aka bill gieskieng

[Kris]

[quote=art;23008]
this isn't to say that every church is "bad". however, i do believe there is "close-mindedness" and even hippocracy in how there members think and act.]

i agree!

[and, i always keep in mind that the bible is a collection of stories and an omission of others, translated many times throughout history to what it is today. man wrote the stories, man determined what to "leave in" and what to "take out", or withhold. there are divine truths within it, but in my opinion, the bible is not the whole story.]

good point.

jesus exists inside me - inside each and every one of us. i too am a student of the law of one. there is no conflict.

thank you art. that statement alone has offered me great comfort and peace of mind. i appreciate your words of wisdom. it's funny the issues that have been coming up lately for me to deal with that were buried deep inside.

kris