Forgiveness is But a Stepping Stone to Gratitude

[Penny L]

throughout my own experiences, i've been constantly reminded from within myself that "to forgive" means that i haven't fully arrived yet. only when appreciation and gratitude, combined with celebration for all parts and roles played in a moment, has the fullness of the gift arrived for me.

i was born in '64, and grew up on a farm with a large family. my family watched for ufos all the time--one watches the skies quite a bit when you have crops dependent upon the weather. my dad was gone a great deal trying to better the farmer's plight by by-passing the red tape of a shadow gov't. at nineteen, he'd taken off on a road trip around the usa and was struck by all the hunger in our own country, and it became his mission to try to fix that. so i had a regular diet of illuminati/world bank stories throughout my life. dad constantly reminded us to question everything in the news and in the media--expand out of the box.

as a young adult i chose to delve into it deeper to gain a clearer understanding of it and to do my part. i checked into meetings called freeman education seminars where a plethora of patriotic and alternative material was shared. but i realized that sometimes those who were "fighting the system" were just as frightening (out of their fear) as those they were fighting against. because of that, i chose to not be a part of an organization and to seek my own answers from within.

at the time i was terrified of the shadow activities and my own consciousness and experiences reflected that. i kept being reminded of jesus's statement to "love your enemies," and i knew that didn't mean pasting a plastic smile on my face and telling them i loved them. i sensed i had to have a clarity that dispersed all my fears surrounding them in order to actually do that.

i began to look for the gift to me in all my moments--especially the darkest ones--and, danged, if there wasn't always one or two there for me! initially, i may not have seen it in that particular moment, but i knew that it would eventually arrive--and it always did.

my point--without the dark, we would not experience our light and all the dimensions of love. this is the gifted experience of polarity and relativity evolving to unity. we're all playing roles for one another, as i see it--i've played some dark ones myself--and the best way to diffuse the most evil aspects is to see how they've personally helped me remember who i truly am and what i'm about. darkness is so that light might shine and be noticed.

i've discovered there truly are no enemies to fight...

much love to our beloved united states of america (a tremendous accomplishment) and our world and galactic neighbors...

happy 4th!

with love and appreciation,
penny l

[MarkM]

nice post, penny! kudos to your father for seeing outside the box and backing that up with action!

i've had occasion in my life recently to help a loved one with the issue of self forgiveness, and it has occurred to me that there is more to forgiveness than a mere acceptance of an issue. catalyst can be a hard pill to swallow, but every experience, however unpleasant, is stage-managed, if you will, from backstage, for the purpose of growth and evolution.

i cringe inwardly at the remembrance of my own stupid faux pas', but i know that they have served to accelerate my growth and are indespensible as such. i have hurt, used and abused and been inconsiderate of others in my life, and this has caused me and them much anguish, but in the examining of what it is within me that allows for this, i have encountered aspects of myself that have needed attention. but for these experiences i would be a lesser evolved person today.

this is where you learn to not only accept these issues, but to appreciate them and be thankful for them and know that they are the building blocks of who you are.

as others trespass against us, you can be thankful that you are chosen to offer a special service to others, as this offers other selves the chance to learn needed life lessons that they may well be unable to learn otherwise. that's how it's supposed to be here in this most difficult density of learning the ways of love.

so my advice to all is to forgive yourself of everything, and i mean everything! you not only have the right to do so but an obligation to yourself.
yes, you can! yes you should. this unconditional love of the self is a necessary prerequisite to unconditional love of others, and of all as one. there is no sin, and no judgement other than what you impose upon yourself. so judge yourself to be free of your own transgressions, and you shall be.

-mark

[DAYDREAMS@onelink.ca]

thank you both...this was a beautiful read. i was born in 53 making me old enough to be your mother penny...which i mention only because i feel a sense of parental joy to hear you speak of your dad teaching you to think for yourself.

i've found that the spirit of forgiveness is a way to step into a time warp. once i've well and truly forgiven someone, like when i thought my dad was a gutless wonder, i discovered that there had never been anything to forgive. i was filled with an exquisite understanding of where he was coming from and how much he loved me. it was as if the former state of unforgiveness had never been, like the past had been erased.

i could feel his heart and soul leap for joy without knowing why....despite the fact that he lives on the other side of the country...maybe because of. i experienced several release and rejoining spirit dances with my dad before he changed form. after he changed form, particularly right after, i found myself overjoyed with the new freedom dad had to communicate with ( his beliefs had stood in the way) and devasted that he was physically gone before we could communicate in such a way. the paradox of spirit being on a 3d ride...

the only person who knows how to love you well and truly is you...so give er!

[Penny L]

it's been a joy to read both of your replies and posts! you've been reflecting back to me my own highest thoughts and celebrations of being here now. it may appear pretty choatic "out there"--which i experience within myself sometimes, too, but i have such a sense of finally getting into consciously being aware (awake) that i'm both excited and honored to be here for this amazing transformation/metamorphosis on/with our beloved earth.

the key seems to be to keep it simple...love all of oneself first and the rest will follow.

with much appreciation,
penny

[imobeast]

hey everybody - I'm feeling oddly compelled to posit a question - is it too soon to start thinking about forgiving the Illuminati? There are chess-like implications of seeking too much justice/too little justice. I'm interested in hearing what anyone thinks about this. I'm very much biased towards our forgiving these people - for the sheer logistics of karma being reduced that way. Obviously, though, some form of justice (do I really just mean revenge?) is going to be demanded by the masses. What would constitute a soundly just response for the actions carried out by these people?
I'll remain as much of a fly on the wall as I can.
Would really love to hear from anyone.


Peace be with you,


IMObeast

[GrumpyBear]

I don't think it's ever too early to forgive - I have personally seen Karma at work, and have learned to have faith that everything will balance out the way it's supposed to.

I do agree some sort of debt must be repaid to society by the people responsible, but I'm not in the camp that believes it's my responsibility to 'dish out' a punishment and call it Karma. Those in the Illuminati (and others like it) who wish to clean their Karmic slate will do so (maybe in the form of restitution, community service, etc.) Those people will need our help and support. Those on the other side of the coin who refuse to even admit any wrongdoing...I forgive you, and I hope for your sake your Karmic cost will not be too severe.

[Apophis]

Forgiveness includes allowing another to be in full control of there own being.

I choose to alow personal truth dictate my actions, and expect others to do so as well.

Therefore, if the individual-illumniti were simply restricted acess to the wepons they use, I could forgive them, and believe their personal truth to be their Karma.

[]EON[]

As said by David and Larry " Forgiveness stops the wheel of Karma".
Karma dosen't work alone, There are four paths!
J'nana, Bh'ak'ti, Kar'ma & Ra'ja.

J'nana Yoga: is the path of knowledge, wisdom, introspection and contemplation.
It involves deep exploration of the nature our being by systematically exploring and setting aside false identities.
While Jnana Yoga deals with knowledge, wisdom, introspection and contemplation,
everybody has a mind and at some point will need to examine it, wherein quiet reflection naturally comes.

Bh'ak'ti Yoga: is the path of devotion, emotion, love, compassion, and service to God and others.
All actions are done in the context of remembering the Divine.
All people will experience emotions such as love, compassion, and devotion at points along the journey,
regardless of which of the four paths of Yoga is predominant.

Kar'ma Yoga: is the path of action, service to others, mindfulness, and remembering the levels of our being
while fulfilling our actions or karma in the world.
Nobody can live in a body and the world without doing actions.
Even a renunciate living in a Himalayan cave has to do some form of actions, and thus, some degree of Karma Yoga is essential.

Ra'ja Yoga: is a comprehensive method that emphasizes meditation, while encompassing the whole of Yoga.
It directly deals with the encountering and transcending thoughts of the mind.
Everybody will become still and quite from sadhana or spiritual practices, will naturally encounter and deal with attractions and aversion,
and will meditate, thus touching on Raja Yoga.

While it is definitely true that we each have predispositions towards one or another of the four paths of Yoga, we cannot really avoid or abandon the others.

I'v seen the "Illuminati" as many different aspects of the "world" outside Thyself. They have set the world up to reach this point in Time.
J'nana path of knowledge, thanks to the internet, and light minds, like David's, bringing light to the unknown.
Without stigma, to Illuminate, is bring light to the darkness. Without judgment, the action, (karma) in any from, is to understand the Known, and receive wisdom from "intro"spection and contemplation.
The J'nana comes first, it is the use of the wise mind with imagination.
Then Bh'ak'ti the opening of the heart.
Then Kar'ma, Giving action, Love, Hate, and the spectrum in between.
This is unavoidable and leads to Ra'Ja, Becoming King, Master and Lord, of Thy Mind, Body, Spirit (imagination) complex.

The mason's, The builders, made the world firm, sure it up, they have finished their work, Building the I'magi,nation.
Now it is time for the worker to put down the tool, of mind, and receive what is everyone's birth right.

[Vanya]

If we leave out the illusion that we are separate - so that there is only one of us here - then the answer becomes sort of obvious.

When you wake up after having a nightmare, you don't really punish yourself for it. At least I don't. Taking a deep breath and calming down is usually the best medicine in my experience.
:-)

If we are all capable of letting go and give each other space, things are much more likely to fall into a better place easier and faster than if we put a lot of resistance into it.
We all chose to come here to Earth. We all knew we'd be enslaved here. And still we volunteered to come here. As we remember who we truely are, as we allow our light-source to fill us with our own personal power, none of those games and dramas will be important any more. We just stop feeding them, we stop making them matter. And so we liberate ourselves so that we can focus on pain free growth, for our selves and for each other, personally and collectively.

The Illuminati dramas will become like folklore of the past, stories we'll tell each other for the goose-bumps because it's human to enjoy a ghost story now and then. Besides that it won't matter. The truth, which is that only love and peace are for real, will set us free.

The personal karma of the poor souls (or bastards) who entangled themselves in that spider's web of darkness - that's for them to complete. However, they too are us. And the longer they are mired in there, the longer we as a Us, the collective I, is stuck as well. So to help ourselves really get on with it, releasing them is the best thing.

-And giving them a thank you for playing the bad-guys in our giant soul-growth project.

We have lived the fairy tales. We have participated in the great drama of "Good vs Evil", "Light vs Dark". It has been a thrilling adventure. And those who went deep down into the darkness and created the worst monsters - also created the heroes. Without the monsters - how could the heroes step forth? Without the German invasion during WW2 my grandfather would never have known the extent of his courage and stamina - which turned out to be immense. (I'm sure he doesn't see it the way I do, but then he's an extreme Atheist. Anyways...(well, the guy was once a member/Judge of the Inquisition and had me killed as a witch. Nasty. But I can cope with that now))

But we are about to wake up from the dreams of monsters and dragon slaying. Dawn is approaching. The masks are about to be thrown. And we will all see each other for the godselves we are.
Even the necromancers who created the monsters will lose their masks. And they might be really tired and exhausted from what they have done when they wake up. And they might be very sorry for all the misery they caused in the game.

I've seen many of my previous lives of being executed and killed for various reasons. I have seen in many lives what darkness can do. I remember forgetting about Love; Total amnesia as to what goodness, charity, pity and human warmth could mean.

But here, on the other side, I am stronger. I now know that I am resilient and brave, and that I can find that divine spark within me, even when the darkness is complete around me. I chose to go to Earth so that I could see my light even when I was trapped in the void. And I have. My lives in the dark and the return to light has been a grand adventure. And for that, I would actually like to thank my adversaries. Thank them for giving me just that opportunity. It has been an amazing and unique soul experience.

I do not hesitate in forgiving the Illuminati. They've been ars*h*les (to put it mildly), but they've taught me so much about my own light that I could never have learned anywhere else. And for that I thank them. And I'll see what I can do to help them forgive themselves - which is probably the greatest challenge here, as the Sun rises...

[NICE]

Hi Guy's ..

Where we are at within ourselves as individuals and as part of a collective is reflected within our universal environment (here and now) .

Who or what exists whether it be the Illuminati or the bogey man is part of the reflection ..

The earth plane influences that are both positive and negative are upon us for use of a better word as a result of our karmic playground ..

One can forgive or not forgive elements that are influential within our lives . One can embrace, resist, rise above anything due to one's awareness of self ...

If the Illuminati causes a particular reaction to an individual then evaluate what reaction that is ..

Perhaps one could benefit by focusing on one's self and the power that is within ourselves rather than feeding the power that is of those that yank our chains ..


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