Awakening into 4D

[Jehanne]

i am interested in the statement that it takes alot of energy to manifest an astral projection. what, if there could be an average placed, would the definition of length for this time period be? one minute? five minutes? ten?

i'm no expert on the subject, but i have had several experiences that i call out of body experiences. the ones that i feel are true obe, were ones that involved me floating up to the ceiling and then flying around my building. these lasted what seemed like minutes, pretty close to real time. i would continuously get snapped back into my body, but as i was still in a trance, would start the process back again, leaving many times before finally breaking the trance and getting up. (these experiences were very intense and unlike anything ive ever experienced, on awaking, i would be very very cold, stumble a bit, and feel very heavy and sometimes would be sad to come back and want to go back to the experience, that is part of the reason i have stopped trying to so this particular experience consciously)

then there are the obe astral experiences, which start similarly to the others, but rather than resting near my body, i would immediately go into another place and consciously create my experiences. these would last much longer, 10 to 20 minutes real time (but seem like hours even), sometimes even longer. the same snapping back to the body would happen, but less frequently.

both situations required trances to acces (for me at least) and i had to get into this by meditation and often the meditation part could last a long time depending on my mental state. there was a period where i was able to do these frequently, but right now they are infrequent for me. (i guess i am training less and more busy in the external world)

if the 4d world is this world (and it makes sense, but i'm not sure at all if it is exactly this) then it would be marvelous indeed. there is a great sense of freedom and joy in the astral plane and it is very visually similar to 3d but without the limitations. i would also like to learn more about other peoples thoughts on the 4d and astral planes. what do you think about the connection?

[conundrum]

people had better learn how to start controlling there thoughts, and not keeping secrets

its a relatively steep learning curve and being honest or attempting to be honest isn't that easy.. being totally honest while respecting another persons free will or secret while being of service to another self is some what complex and is wrought with inconveniences
not for the faint hearted, it certainly tests ones ability to forgive ones self and other self

i would find it incredibly boring if everyone was strikingly beautiful. i want to see some differences. i like lines that have formed on an old person's face, depending on their original features and the emotions that dominated their lifetime, i find that fascinating.

personally healthy bodies and smells ect would make up for the lack of beauty in this world then again that might come across as being judgmental to those whom prefer sick people whom consume chemicals and poisons ect that keep them in a half a sleep state or a more manageable condition.

[Purple Dragon]

if the 4d world is this world (and it makes sense, but i'm not sure at all if it is exactly this) then it would be marvelous indeed. there is a great sense of freedom and joy in the astral plane and it is very visually similar to 3d but without the limitations. i would also like to learn more about other peoples thoughts on the 4d and astral planes. what do you think about the connection?

one thing ra has said is that our astral plane is still a part of our 3d, it has something to do with different layers of our density. the astral plane is a closer relationship to the 4th density than to the 3rd in our space/time relationship as our minds would think of it, but still a layer of the 3d. not totally sure how this works, but there is apparently a whole new set of rules we will learn once going into the 4th density.

[aqcheryl]

then there are the obe astral experiences, which start similarly to the others, but rather than resting near my body, i would immediately go into another place and consciously create my experiences. these would last much longer, 10 to 20 minutes real time (but seem like hours even), sometimes even longer. the same snapping back to the body would happen, but less frequently.

both situations required trances to acces (for me at least) and i had to get into this by meditation and often the meditation part could last a long time depending on my mental state. there was a period where i was able to do these frequently, but right now they are infrequent for me. (i guess i am training less and more busy in the external world)

i have never had an obe... i might have come close once. it was so long ago, but i vaguely remember seeing or feeling a chord.
i have had other occasions where im pretty sure i astral'ed its just you know you wake up and after time start to question yourself what did you really see.

those times did last a bit though, around the timeframe you said. also though, i went somewhere id never seen before, and i know i didnt create the environment out of my own imagination - so i feel it was an astral for this reason.

and the same, the only way i can get to this was meditation first, and i find that when you become busy in the physical... you lose track of keeping up on the spiritual, and so its kind of like you have to learn how to ride the bike all over again at least you remember what to expect this time

if the 4d world is this world (and it makes sense, but i'm not sure at all if it is exactly this) then it would be marvelous indeed. there is a great sense of freedom and joy in the astral plane and it is very visually similar to 3d but without the limitations. i would also like to learn more about other peoples thoughts on the 4d and astral planes. what do you think about the connection?

you know, ive noticed that the astral plane usually reflects 3d reality, even if its not 3d limitations that got us there. so if it is the plane, it would make sense if we were meshed together and its just a higher more evolutionary way of thinking.
i do think its going to be a reality where our thoughts instantly manifest, were still going to have bodies, just our dna is restructured to allow in more light within... and so we can manifest levitation and all that wonderful stuff, but theres still rules and limitations set. we still have to learn in 4d and we still have to overcome things, so i think id say because of that... that in answer to your question i think the astral plane is a very good representation of 4d.

quote:
"i would find it incredibly boring if everyone was strikingly beautiful. i want to see some differences. i like lines that have formed on an old person's face, depending on their original features and the emotions that dominated their lifetime, i find that fascinating."

personally healthy bodies and smells ect would make up for the lack of beauty in this world then again that might come across as being judgmental to those whom prefer sick people whom consume chemicals and poisons ect that keep them in a half a sleep state or a more manageable condition.

it might be possible we still will have those lines, but at the same time i think we all will be seeing the beauty within instead of on the outside, and thats where we would see the wonderful and unique differences.

[AmentiHall]

hi adam of all, it depends on what terms/terminology you use.

density is often interchanged with dimension.

in my opinion, the way i interpret all of this- is that the astral is the 4th dimension , or rather a part of it (you could say 3.5-4d)

when ra speaks of density he is refferring to dimension according to how you and i see it. to me dimension and density are not the same thing, because we are lookin at it from a human perspective. we are not a meta-super-conscious gestalt of being like ra is so we my idea of density is 3 dimensions. so 1 density =3 dimensions of being. where areas 6=2. the idea of astral projection, dreaming and such is the idea of tapping into the 4th dimensional aspect of ourselves that truly does exist.

they have become seperate, the state of conscious 3d consciousnes and 4d consciousnes to do distortion within our physical dna template. this has to do with, from what i understand, some intervention the elohim, ra, and others had to do on behalf of us to save us from "higher frequency" attaching itself to earths grid, when earths/human templates weren't ready to "hold" the frequency therefore they had to create a "barrier" or "fence" in order for these tones to not "plug in." in return this caused distortion and mutation within our dna as the lower portions of ourself (or dna) had a gap between the higher portions of themselves (higher self, astral, dream, hyperdimensional experiences etc.) which is why we still experience both states but not quite "consciously" fit them together. when we are in 3d state of awareness we rarely tap into the etheric or astral bodies, although we can from time to time. while we have the ability to change this right now (thanks to ascension and alignment) it probably isn't as easy as it sounds.

this could also be why we must sleep, when we access higher portions of ourself in obe's and dreamtime- we also acess higher frequencies which then probably come into the physical template and attribute to some of the "recharing" we have. since we must experience both, but there is a gap between the two states (currently) we tend to forget what happens in the other, or rather we are unconscious of the other. sometimes they overlap. when you are in between the two states is when one can astral project. this is why when you astral project you are seeing both realms, the 3d and some of the 4d.

this has much to do with humans in the past forgetting the law of one and deciding to go down the path of "service to self." this is what caused a "fall" so to speak from our original, multi-dimensional selves.

[Desertrose]

hi everyone,

i realize that life in 4d is 100% more harmonious than now. after the shift we’ll have a choice to remain as 3d space/time or go to 4d. but, when the time comes and we choose to ascend to 4d we’ll be able to take our body with us since it’s considered a shift in consciousness and not in the physical aspect of life. sometimes i read not much change will be noticed, other times i read we’ll be very aware of what had happened few questions:

• will we require the same shelter we were used to in 3d (do we need to live in homes)?
• do we need to go to work? go to schools? how different from now will our life be regarding everyday living? sometimes i read not much change will be noticed, other times i read we’ll be very aware of what had happened.

another question is

• does 3d space/time mean that time stops? if yes, then would our next step be to ascend from 3d space/time to 4d when our consciousness level shifts to meet that of earth’s 4d consciousness?
• since space/time is another parallel to our reality which will last 100-200 years, what are the ways to end it?

would anyone know? or am i just complicating and mixing things

desertrose

[aqcheryl]

• will we require the same shelter we were used to in 3d (do we need to live in homes)?
• do we need to go to work? go to schools? how different from now will our life be regarding everyday living?

oh man, i tried my best to shorten my own response to this, but its still really long... so im breaking up my posts lol heres section 1:
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i am no expert by any means, im still learning, but ill try to answer with what i have come to understand. since we are not meant to have all the answers, there inevitably is speculation, and that clouds things. so we have to just keep in mind that whatever scenario we come to, we could be wrong lol

in regards to our current reality:
as we are light beings, the physical is the illusion. our dna seems to be containers of 'the force' and so based on our level of consciousness, the less we know, the less we grow, the more density our bodies have.

in regards to 4d reality:
that being said, when we remanifest, it will be into a new dimension - 4d. we will carry our illusions with us. the difference being with a higher level of collective consciousness and a focus on love, there will be harmony and no more war. as we created our 3d reality we will do the same in 4d, so we are not alone in our 'illusions'. we still have limitations, so our dna still attracts density, and thus, bodies. they will be different, but i think at the molecular level, and thats why we wont notice outside of feeling healthier and better.
because we still have density, we probably will still need some form of nourishment - so we will still need farmers. there will be many levels of learning - so there will still need to be teachers. we will still have our homes, and our transportation - these will evolve, so there will still be technicians. things like that. im pretty sure well still have animals too, and of course music, so we will still need musicians and 'pet shop owners' lol healers instead of doctors.

in regards to what we lose:
ra speaks of inconvenience(s). to me, this means we will lose the material things we have come to depend on. look at how society as a whole was defining itself not by the value of who each person was, but instead by what car they had or what cell phone they had. however... i was reading that when ascension occurs earth will enter a new higher electromagnetic frequency. does this mean all of our electronics will stop working? or instead maybe they will still work, its just... we will quickly find we dont need them anymore, and so we have to deal the death blow to that bit of our personality.

in regards to the ascension process:
it seems to be that as our ascension is not based on evolution, but instead on obtaining a higher level of consciousness - so then it follows that we will not 'die' physically, our bodies will just remanifest in 4d in a upgraded body.
in 2012 enigma, david speaks of how science shows its highly probable if not practically certain that in 2012 the earth will flatline for 6 seconds.
earth seems to be the heart of all density life... so its akin to us having a heart attack, and having a near death experience... and my best guess is that as with a nde, we will have an out of body experience, and while we are out of body we will have all the access to the higher realm of knowledge as we do in death except we are not going to die. at the end of the 6 seconds, the earth will have been jumpstarted again, and we are brought back to our bodies. and i think while we are having the obe, our bodies go through the dna change from 3 strands to.... ?#.. so i think that to ascend we will need to hold more light, and that needs more dna strands, and its quite possible that we may have to have the obe else to stay in our bodies we wouldnt survive it.

in regards to what happens to our 3d bodies:
so we dont know what happens beyond that either we will disappear, or there will be an empty shell. if like above our dna restructures, then to me that implies we will still have the same body, just upgraded... and therefore in 3d, i suppose that means we disappear - unless we choose to go back to 3d. but we could also just shed the skin like a snake does... maybe thats what all those fema coffins really are for. lol

[aqcheryl]

sometimes i read not much change will be noticed, other times i read we’ll be very aware of what had happened.

• does 3d space/time mean that time stops? if yes, then would our next step be to ascend from 3d space/time to 4d when our consciousness level shifts to meet that of earth’s 4d consciousness?
• since space/time is another parallel to our reality which will last 100-200 years, what are the ways to end it?

part deux lol
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in regards to the change being noticed:
my understanding is the notice comes with our current level of knowledge. for example those of us who are well familiarized with obe, astral, etc - we are more prepared to immediately see and remember the advanced knowledge, and therefore can handle it. someone who however has never meditated or perhaps even believes in meditation etc,... they are still going to 'download' the information - but they wont notice.

in regards to our choices:
heres the rundown of what ive been reading. i think im understanding this right lol

**service to others**
(remember we only need be 51% to qualify.)
choice 1: we can choose to not remanifest at all. we can dissever from our bodies and perhaps stay 'up there' as spirit guides or such.

choice 2: (and probably what most will choose) we remanifest back to our illusions, but in 4th dimension. we can choose to come back remembering everything we have learned while 'away', or we can choose to let it come to us gradually. i think if we choose to come back remembering everything, there is a responsibility attached to it, perhaps the condition being we must become teachers. i doubt thats an issue lol

choice 3: we can choose to go back to the 3rd dimension, and we will have to stay there until the next ascension occurs. it is that ascension that i believe those who still do not 'ascend' to 4th will be transported to a new 3d planet. im thinking this is because each dimension can affect the other. we may progress to 4d but we are still on the same earth as those in 3d. only since its a different dimension we can have the cleaner earth. those of us who went back to this 3d to try and help those who couldnt ascent the first time, will rejoin everyone in 4d.

**service to self**
(50% on down...)
they will not be able to accept the light that comes with the evolution of consciousness, and so they will essentially not ascend. they probably will not even be aware the ascension took place. its quite possible everyone missing will be considered casualties of war or something. they are good people, but they need guidance, so that they can later ascend.

i think if a service to others chose #3, they would come back to 3d but have ascension powers. at this point, theyd have to, because time is quickly running out for those who still need to ascend. is it 100-200 years? i thought i read a much larger timespan then that for some reason. but that makes sense - it would mean they basically have just one more reincarnation to get it right. so a typical life is up to 80 years... plus the remainder of their days from this life... cant equal more than 200...

in regards to our loved ones ascending:
now this... it is not our thoughts that define who we are, it is our choices on how we act with those thoughts. there are still 4d negatives and i bet they still try to impose their thoughts on 4d'ers. so i dont believe that the thought will instantly manifest - unless we choose to allow it to by feeding it belief or fear. and once we make that choice, and only once the choice is made, then it will manifest, and manifest instantly. but even if we make that mistake we can instantly choose to banish it and make it go away too. so... therefore i believe that i can look at my family and friends and feel comfort in knowing they will ascend because by their actions they are service to others. no one is 100% but you know, again, only needs to be 51%.

in regards to time stopping:
i think that only happens once we manifest into the 4d reality. so in actuality the real question is how do those in 4d ascend to 5d. i think its different rules at that point. 4d still has a cap in their learning. they still need to 'graduate'. perhaps once they have learned everything in 4d, they can then ascend to 5d, or stay on 4d to help those in 4d continue to grow.
i do think we still 'die' in 4d, but its more of choice than bodies giving out on us. so we do reincarnate. we can choose to 'grow old' too.

[Purple Dragon]

great post aqcheryl! lots of good information. a few things that i would like to add as well from what i have read. i'm not going to quote as the post is long & everyone should just read the whole thing

first off, moving into 4d, i think it is a fast and yet gradual move all at the same time. although many things will change, there will be a learning time for us to transition into the 4d. for example, ra stated that "4th density is not of words, unless chosen." meaning we will become telepathic. and although we will need to consume food, it will be very easy to acquire as we will communicate better with the "living foodstuff". eating will teach us patience more than sustain our bodies.

loosing material possessions and property will most likely be a given, as from what i understand we will be moving into a group soul form instead of all being individuals. i think materials are one thing that our ego has been abusing causing us to forget our true nature anyway, so this should end up being a good thing, although we will probably still miss some of our favorite tv shows and/or video games

as for the choices for sto & sts, i believe ra has said that this harvest is the last of 3, which was a 75,000 year cycle. each cycles lasts 25,000 (give or take, could in fact be closer to the mayan cycle?) so either we move on, or we move away. our planet will no longer be able to sustain any 3d entities as it will be inhabitable for them (i think this is just like venus has life but in higher dimensions). so if we chose to stay with our group soul, we will be in 4d with our planet, else we may move to another 3d planet just as wanderer`s have come here to help this planet.

as for the sts, for them to move to 4d they need to be 90 or 95% + sts (can`t remember exactly) to move on to 4d negative, otherwise they move to another 3d planet to continue learning to either get 51%+ sto or 95%+ sts.

our loved one`s have the same choice we do, and their decision is their own. remember we are all one so technically the entire world is our loved ones.

as for time, ra has said it is a movement from space/time to time/space which is still confusing to me. it`s something like right now time is linear and space is vast and we can move around in it so in 4d space will become linear and time we can move around in. so time will exist, but we are going to have a whole new set of rules to follow that we are not allowed to learn until that time comes (we probably wouldn`t understand it anyway!)

well desertrose i hope all that information helped you! :d

[aqcheryl]

first off, moving into 4d, i think it is a fast and yet gradual move all at the same time. although many things will change, there will be a learning time for us to transition into the 4d. for example, ra stated that "4th density is not of words, unless chosen." meaning we will become telepathic. and although we will need to consume food, it will be very easy to acquire as we will communicate better with the "living foodstuff". eating will teach us patience more than sustain our bodies.

oh yes, i was just posting that i think im seeing physical symptoms with us already - not just spiritual, and wondering if others are seeing/experiencing as well.

loosing material possessions and property will most likely be a given, as from what i understand we will be moving into a group soul form instead of all being individuals. i think materials are one thing that our ego has been abusing causing us to forget our true nature anyway, so this should end up being a good thing, although we will probably still miss some of our favorite tv shows and/or video games

at the same time, and yes the video games is the first thing to hit me hard when learning of ascension lol, we will be able to live the video game if we so choose. so eventually we will come to realize we can walk in a world of warcraft (i dont know that game if its really all war, but just use it as an example... or say world of peacecraft lol)

i do think we will still manifest the homes but i think its because theres a transition after the ascension not just before or during. people have to gradually come into acceptance they are in a new dimension and such and they cant do that if they lose everything they know instantly. so i think what you are saying it will come to pass, but maybe as we progress further towards the middle to end of our 4d learning?

as for the choices for sto & sts, i believe ra has said that this harvest is the last of 3, which was a 75,000 year cycle. each cycles lasts 25,000 (give or take, could in fact be closer to the mayan cycle?) so either we move on, or we move away. our planet will no longer be able to sustain any 3d entities as it will be inhabitable for them (i think this is just like venus has life but in higher dimensions). so if we chose to stay with our group soul, we will be in 4d with our planet, else we may move to another 3d planet just as wanderer`s have come here to help this planet.

yes see this is one of the things ive also read, as well as also reading theres the short time period after before we eventually have to 'move'. i originally was trying to say that personally im still learning so i dont know or have my own opinion on this part... but i had to edit so much i cant remember if i kept that in. if not, well im saying it now lol

as for time, ra has said it is a movement from space/time to time/space which is still confusing to me.

me too. and im still trying to understand the quantum physics aspect of the things david first mentions in 2012 enigma... like the particle board waves flipping over and what exactly that means to them... im so confused on it i cant ask a question because im confused to what the question should be rofl
that and the geometry, and how its relating to matter. and my strong skill is math, i loved geometry. i loved science class too. but this, not computing. need more info. lol im sure i will find it too hehe

it`s something like right now time is linear and space is vast and we can move around in it so in 4d space will become linear and time we can move around in. so time will exist, but we are going to have a whole new set of rules to follow that we are not allowed to learn until that time comes (we probably wouldn`t understand it anyway!)

i cant even grasp what non-linear time is or would be. the lyrics i have in my siggie popped in my head again, in response to our understanding.