2012 Conclusion

[SpiralCycle]

so what is a general outline or consensus about the change taking place in the 2012 area and the direction of things the entitys part of that situation will be going in? things are in bits and pieces this would probably clear up a bit for some of other people as well.

i have read david mention things such as going through vortexes, harvesters coming and taking those ready to higher dimentions (i believe that is what was said) ect ect.

it feels like after 2012 the earth and humans will still be on earth if there is a change or not this is just a personal feeling. my mind is wandering and i am sure a few of youz guys could provide some insight, thanks.

[Art]

so what is a general outline or consensus about the change taking place in the 2012 area and the direction of things...

my mind is wandering and i am sure a few of youz guys could provide some insight, thanks.

i've found, and have been reminded, that the only thing you have to concern yourself with is love. it begins with you. "love yourself" is a very broad concept, but it boils down to making choices. once you have "conquered" this, all things will come to you naturally. start looking within yourself - do you meditate? connect with your inner self and you will connect with all that is.

my wind wanders too, alot. and, i'm no "expert". you need to catch yourself and "reset". each and every person's experience will be unique and there isn't a general "consensus" that i've found... same with the "date"... do not concern yourself with artificial timelines or material concepts. our language and mind aren't ready to comprehend our transformation. if you focus on fear, that is what you will get. concentrate on love, and you will spread it.

or, put it this way - "strive" to become a beacon of light in the times that are coming. the only preparation you need to do is to connect - to complete your inner work. from there, your purpose will guide you.

new to this? me too - for about a year now. welcome! keep asking questions - there are far wiser people in this forum that can help you.

good luck and take care.

[SpiralCycle]

yeah i have conquered love and what not

i am definitely not worried about anything i just like to learn to broaden my horizons and do much reading ect. trying to put things together for myself and others.

hmm i am connected and know my life work as well i am sure i sound pretty arrogant haha but like i said i am just trying to gather information in all area's which has helped out very much trying to put things together as i go. as my interests say; i learn to love and love to learn. they go hand in hand. i also know that information shouldn't be put over other things as well which i try not to do.

hmm life seems to take a while in giving answers other than omnipresence, oneness, love and expression.

yeah i am new to much of this and started around last summer with my learning ect. before then most of my life consisted of video games and music.

thanks much for the kind words though, be well.

[pyramidnj]

spiral, what is most important is that you have consciously begun, on this 3d journey, to experience and know your higher connection! so many young people, and not so young, are awakening now and it is absolutely exciting. it is truly like a homecoming of sorts.

i dare say that where we are now is far beyond religion. there is only time for love of the highest order, meaning unconditional love and allowing love to flow through you and outward to all life, all things, absolutely unfettered. it is a time of seeing the world as if through the eyes of a newborn babe -- no judgment, trusting that your highest guidance and all that is has worked out all of the kinky details.

as you focus on finding and maintaining peace within and radiating that outwardly as frequently as you can through thoughts and feelings, using a simple form of meditation that takes you deep into silence and harmony with your highest guidance, you will be doing what is needed of all of us at this time. being in the moment and lovin' the time away are good ways to approach each day. at least you know that we are all here for you. if you wish more explanation of what i have expressed here, please contact me privately.

infinite love! jo anne

[SpiralCycle]

rofl ok guys, i understand the whole love thing i truely do! but i just want information on what i ask for without always coming to the conclusion of love. hahah yeah like i said those are given answers and universal laws but i just want some answers on other things so maybe if youz guys love me you will hook me up with the general conclusion about 2012.

[Ceara]

the "general" conclusion as you put it, in my opinion really isn't general at all. there are soooooo many out there that have their own take about what 2012 really is about.

john major jenkins puts forth that it's possibly nothing more than a neato alignment of the sun rising smack in the middle of galactic center on the morning of dec 21, 2012. at least that's what i think the date is. but you get my drift. i have two of jenkins' books and although the mythology is fun, and the astronomy/astrology is also fun to read, jenkins really doesn't provide anything concrete on the spiritual front.

now, there are countless amount of people out there that claim to channel. that's their choice. whether their information is from a true benevolent source remains to be seen. some of these folks claim any/all of these things will occur by 2012:

1. world wiped out by comets, asteroids, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc.
2. ets coming to save us all, take certain people up in their ships and go away to live (in some other form, perhaps not physical) happily ever after.
3. religious figures, saviours, masters will suddenly appear
4. galactic alignment, like mirrors in egypt that let light into tombs, will all of a sudden allow energy from galactic center to beam onto our planet and act as a catalyst for big changes.
5. photon belt will envelop the planet, and with its 3 days of darkness and the sky that seems to burn with a cold flame, will cause utter chaos on the planet and we all destroy ourselves.
6. nesara
7. certain individuals who have raised their vibes/frequency will go through some sort of "rapture" or "harvest" as ra mentions.

the list goes on and on. but those are some of the main points i've come across in the past few years. i was highly interested in 2012 at one time and now see that it's pointless to try to pin any change in humanity down to linear time. that's just my opinion.

i have a friend who also claims to channel a causal plane group entity, and "they" say that 2012 is a big hooey (to summarize, not their terminology) and that humans will still be on the planet afterwards. but also said that certain things will occur, but they might be so subtle that it would only be noticeable on a personal level for a while. and these changes are the more widespread psychic phenomena, like telepathy, etc.

personally i'm more inclined to go with ian lungold's theories he spoke of when promoting dr. calleman's mayan calendar books, and with theosophy. these books, lectures and pamplets seem to hint at cycles. not time cycles, but cycles nonetheless. i quote from a song "natural science" by the rock band rush as an example

wheels within wheels
in a spiral array
a pattern so grand
and complex
time after time
we lose sight of the way
our causes cant see
their effects

basically we originate from source and will return to source, and everything else in between is a form of education and experiences.

i feel that all this hoopla over 2012 will ultimately create certain events, based on mass thoughts and energy and promoted via news, religion and political organizations to further their own agendas. i'm not counting natural events in this, because they've been occuring since the planet took form and i see that as a normal function.

while i don't deny that ra's term of "harvest" may occur at some point, i don't feel an outside force will do it for us, but rather, we will do it for ourselves. i am of the opinion that nothing outside of us will help us, but it all has to come from within. for, if we do not take the trouble of having every experience possible and an outside force chooses to do it for us, then the lessons really aren't learned. what would be the purpose of that? if your parent does your homework for you, do you really learn the lesson?

i'm not trying to bash anyone's hopes or opinions on the subject of 2012, but rather look at it as a whole.

[eyez4096]

a part of me would really like to believe that some grand event will take place. a part of me would like to see things shaken up and the pot stirred as a catalyst for human evolution. and a part of me knows that if such a thing did occur in any form its result could not be worse than the business as usual of humanity at this time.

of the things i've heard which suggest a big event, my best conceptualization of what it might be like are as follows:

**the fluid of consciousness as we experience it becomes more condensed or "denser" leading to a less diffuse connection between persons. indeed this type of process may already be in the works -- this so-called fluid may already be becoming denser. my articulation of the repercussions of this phenomenon leads me to believe that an event like this would blur the line we've drawn between thought and experiential reality. the potential impact of such a blur, in today's world, would invariably involve a mass hysteria the likes of which has never been seen.**

were the above "scenario" to play out it would make sense that so-called wanderers would be here to help calm the transition and lessen the destructive potential of its happening.

of course, the only link between the above hypothesis and the 2012 phenomena would be made if either the transition became much more rapid (possibly disjoint/shifted) or if it were to reach a so called "critical mass" near that time. neither of those is totally unreasonable though the rational viewing by one who is closely connected to the consensual strange attractor of the modern world-view would immediately disown the fundamental hypothesis: it is absurd to think that any effect could cause the emergent phenomenon of consciousness to become more or less closely connected. after-all, the modern view on consciousness seems only to accept a sort of discrete metric. every person's conscious mind is their own and all others' are different from that. (fun with sentence construction at work here!)

the only models which seem to "jive" with the mainstream scientific or religious communities are the concepts of glorious rapture or cataclysmic disaster. somehow neither of those seems too fundamentally viable to me. at least, it seems that aside from the literal word of the written religious texts, or the somehow unseen but imminent asteroid that was mysteriously known about thousands of years ago, we don't have much to fear from that department.

so what do i believe? that's a tough one. i like to keep one foot in the rational world of modern mainstream and one foot in the mystical world where such an event as i described it is actually viable. assuming i don't miss my step, such a perspective better enables me to balance the potential for spiritual runoff (the phenomenon of people becoming obsessed and losing connection to any form of rationality and thereby causing great harm to themselves or others) against the potential for spiritual stagnation (the process by which one loses the ability to feel and is stuck in a dark godless world of total rationale at the expense of soul growth).

i believe that the world needs something the likes of which i described -- the likes of which david describes -- the likes of which ra or countless other channels and/or pseudo-prophets wish me to believe. and i believe that such a thing has the potential to happen, much as there is the potential that a major scientific breakthrough or spiritual awakening is right around the corner. such breakthroughs happened in the past, and they will happen again. likewise, events such as are purportedly about to happen have also purportedly happened before. but we won't know about it till it happens -- or at least, we won't be certain of it until it begins, and even then there's certain to be doubts.

in the mean time, one cannot be harmed by attempting to find balance within themselves and/or help others find some similar balance in whatever way feels most right. you can only make yourself a better person by embracing your capacity for love and understanding your potential for fear.

let me close by saying that i do believe something will happen. what, when and where, however, is not for us to know; it's for us to experience (which doesn't keep me from wanting to know).

-charles

[DAB]

rofl ok guys, i understand the whole love thing i truely do! but i just want information on what i ask for without always coming to the conclusion of love. hahah yeah like i said those are given answers and universal laws but i just want some answers on other things so maybe if youz guys love me you will hook me up with the general conclusion about 2012.

hi spiral,

i will share what i have been doing since the beginning of 2007 at sunrise and sunset...taking them in directly... with a tremendous uplift in color vibration and enhanced/enlightened inner sense of direct connection as to the upcoming changes that the wider opening of the 4th and 5th dimensions are bringing forth...simply listen to dr. gibson's talk here with regina and you will understand what i am doing by what he mentions. now understand...this is not talked about openly...and i was prompted to share because you asked and this is a great forum to do that. i have had a couple of one on one sessions with a healing therapist that is strongly connected to the energies taking place and she gave a great big affirmative on my taking in the sun light directly at sunrise and sunset when i shared what i was doing with her.
it is not for everyone to meditate and take the light in this way...
but it might be for you.
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com...rs/mgibson.htm

these other talks of sharing will also give you some ideas on connecting / re-connecting for yourself with what you feel is good for you to enhance your personal journey in the next few years on the way to what is coming!

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com...wesselman2.htm

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/epearl.htm

i am sure you will find something/someone on regina's site that will 'click on' the right button within you personally that will help you see more and be more for you from the 'inside out' : )

the very best to you!

[DAB]

we are on a "schedule" : )

some conclusions definite...
many conclusions varying to and in accordance with our co-creation efforts : )

the mayan calender comes north --- parts i + ii

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...61981090121097

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...comes+north+02

[SpiralCycle]

these other talks of sharing will also give you some ideas on connecting / re-connecting for yourself with what you feel is good for you to enhance your personal journey in the next few years on the way to what is coming!

i am sure you will find something/someone on regina's site that will 'click on' the right button within you personally that will help you see more and be more for you from the 'inside out' : )

the very best to you!

many thanks dab, i did find a lot of reconfirmation in some of those videos especially with some of the things touched on by doctor gibson and chiropractioner eric pearl. i understood much of the spiritual aspects that gibson had mentioned and from what i have come across and put a lot of my thoughts together. i liked how eric mentioned having to do things that are based in fear such as ritualistic practices that are sometimes uneeded. i will definitely check out more on that site and will hopefully try and get back to the 2012 videos below.