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  1. #1
    wubby gump Guest

    Default I just thought of this....


    questioner: i would like to ask, considering the free
    will distortion of the law of one, how can the
    guardians quarantine the earth? is this quarantine
    within free will?

    ra: i am ra. the guardians guard the free will
    distortion of the mind/body/spirit complexes of third
    density on this planetary sphere. the events which
    required activation of quarantine were interfering
    with the free will distortion of mind/body/spirit
    complexes.

    questioner: i may be wrong, but it seems to me that it
    would be the free will of, say the orion group, to
    interfere. how is this balanced with the information
    which you just gave?

    ra: i am ra. the balancing is from dimension to
    dimension. the attempts of the so-called crusaders to
    interfere with free will are acceptable upon the
    dimension of their understanding. however, the
    mind/body/spirit complexes of this dimension you call
    third form a dimension of free will which is not able
    to, shall we say, recognize in full, the distortions
    towards manipulation. thus, in order to balance the
    dimensional variances in vibration, a quarantine, this
    being a balancing situation whereby the free will of
    the orion group is not stopped but given a challenge.
    meanwhile, the third group is not hindered from free
    choice.
    * * * *
    thomas: okay.......... so if dw's blogs are "right on
    the money"...... would it be safe to say, based on the
    excerpt from the law of one above............. "the
    attempts of the so-called crusaders to interfere with
    free will are acceptable upon the dimension of their
    understanding".............. that this whole "nwo"
    movement is based on "their" understanding of the law
    of one?
    we talk about "unity" & "planetary
    consciousness"....... unification............ all is
    one......... is that not what "their" goal is?
    isn't that the law of one?
    it is said in tons & tons of readings on l/l research
    that there is no "right" & there is no "wrong" (which
    apparently we are unable to recognize due to being 3d
    - perhaps this is why jesus always spoke in parables -
    to preserve the law of confusion & also to 'speak the
    truth' - come to think of it, that's just what the
    channelled entities do on l/l research as well) but i
    wish to know if what i finally realize......... based
    on all this information that dw has put out......
    based on all the links i've read...... based on all
    these experiences i've had in my life..............
    that "they" are simply doing what "they"
    know............. "their" level of
    understanding........and even though it is a violation
    of free will at times (all the time?)...............
    on that note, i mean, really............ (i like how
    dw interjects some humor into his subtitles in these
    articles - if you're not already laughing,
    etc)................ but anyone can turn off the
    browser in the midst of reading any of
    that................ anyone can choose not to
    participate in this forum, turn off the radio whenever
    they don't hear something they like, walk out of a
    movie, etc........ you still, no matter what the
    circumstance, at any given moment, always have a
    choice in the matter.................... and i've
    always, always wondered about "secret societies",
    masons, governments, churches, ufos........... and
    i've always just wanted to understand actions &
    motivations............... with all this stuff that dw
    has blogged................. well i just can't hate
    "these people" anymore............... i feel like i
    can "see" what "they" are doing & although it is not
    inherently "good".......... i cannot see "them" as
    inherently "bad" either............ i think we all
    want the same thing, we just have different ways to go
    about it........ based on our levels of
    understanding...... based on our degrees of
    distortion.............. heck....... those of you that
    are older now...... look at all the dumb stuff you did
    as a kid........... that you would never dream of
    doing in a million years based on where you are at
    now.......... isn't that what this is all about.......
    the experience?!?
    sooooo many things are just clicking right now, like
    tumblers in a lock.........
    i've read & heard all these links from the blogs, and
    i have tloo open on my desktop almost everyday (as
    well as l/l research) & i just......... i cannot hate
    "them" anymore........... it's just too much
    work............ it's just so much easier to have
    compassion for "them"......... it's even hard for me
    to say or think like that (us vs. them) - - "forgive
    them lord for they know not what they do" comes to
    mind.......... i just have compassion........ copious,
    copious amounts of compassion & love for all things
    (now if i can only get this self-deprication thing
    worked out, i might be alright)............ it has
    been said that this existence is about "the
    experience"........ "the creator wishes to know
    itself"......... is not this an example of just that
    principle?
    would we even have a concept of who/what we are or
    where we're going if not for all of these things? i
    just know one thing right now............. and that is
    that i just cannot hate, no matter what...............
    i just feel........... unconditional love &
    compassion......

    anybody else have similar thoughts/feelings.... see
    any of these things?

    ~ thomas

    p.s. ~ don elkins is simply brilliant in his line(s)
    of questioning...... i really would have liked to have
    met him in person........ i think we would have talked
    for hours on end......... perhaps even days!



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    cobra42898 Guest

    Default Re: I just thought of this....


    i'm going totally by my own understandings of things here, so feel
    free to correct me if i'm wrong or you disagree...
    "their" understanding of the loo being service to self, would
    eventually lead to enslavement of the majority of the population. all
    selves using and controlling other selves for their own benefit. while
    indeed the paths are equal, by the 7th dimension the sts path no
    longer exists because it becomes too difficult to continue on not
    seeing each part of the creator as equal. all are one. at some point
    in the long run, sto becomes necessary for further spiritual growth.

    to me, the combination of that and the readings given by ra which
    indicate that this planet will be 4d positive and not 4d negative make
    it clear that the sts entities and influences will not succeed in
    their goals. the best they can hope for on this planet at this time is
    to try to reduce the number of entities who "make the cut" to 4d
    positive. knowing for myself that the sts plan is doomed to failure
    here makes me see them differently. they work at trying to create
    fear, so as to make the population easier to control. since i can see
    that they won't succeed, i don't fear them. they are, in a sense,
    irrlevant. i consider them a curiosity, much the same as i'm kind of a
    history junkie. when the illusion is broken, the jig is up.

    hate is wasted energy. i've been working on myself a lot over the
    years in trying to reduce the amount of time i waste on that emotion.
    in most cases i find removing certain people from my life, or limiting
    my exposure to those people does wonders. left to my own defenses i
    really have no reason to hate anything.

    in a galactic higher dimensional view, where the positive and negative
    entities do not live side by side as we do here, it's much easier to
    see both paths as equal. this is largely because on positive or
    negative planets, all entities incarnating there choose to be there. a
    4d negative entity can choose to reverse polarity, or vice versa.
    there are some ra readings to this effect, which i think are even in
    david's loo study guide. the point is that the view is more harmonious
    above the 3rd dimension.

    so, we've got a little over 5 1/2 years til the mayan end date. what
    are we to do really until then? personally, i'm just trying to keep
    head above water with my bills (aren't we all?), staying aware of the
    world around me, and doing my best to polarize myself further toward
    sto. it's kind of hard for each of us to tell our own percentage
    polarization, but i figure it'll keep us honest, right? lol. in a few
    years maybe all these college loans i've got will be irrelevant too.
    wouldn't that be nice?

    and yes, i too have been reading a lot over at l/l research. those
    transcripts are invaluable, though it'll probably take me forever to
    get through them all.

    may we all shine on.
    tom


  3. #3
    M.W. Guest

    Default Re: I just thought of this....


    >
    > anybody else have similar thoughts/feelings.... see
    > any of these things?
    >
    > ~ thomas

    of course. such makes up a salient part of the philosophical backbone
    running throughout the ra material. from at least an objective point of
    view i can't muster up any hatred for them either.

    billious g.


  4. #4
    pyramidnj Guest

    Default Re: I just thought of this....


    tom, your comments are helpful and resonate with my own humble
    understanding. thank you for providing your input, particularly in
    your earlier post. regarding your previous comments about fear, what
    if people's fears are less about others than about the traumatic
    upheavals in the earth? does that type of fear have the same effect
    on one's energy/vibrational level? does fear indiscriminately effect
    one or does fear for different reasons have a different impact on one?

    as i try to explain all of this to my youngest son, who is 18 and
    filled with insecurities about life that would be typical for an 18
    year old with physical disabilities, according to ra, the ascension
    process will be a seamless process, so much so that many people will
    not be aware that they are in 4d. i am also assuming that folks of
    the 4d vibration would then be oblivious to all of the geological and
    meterological upheavals on the earth, because their earth dimension
    would exclude the presence of such. is it a misunderstanding of ra's
    information to say that even the remaining 3ds would be transferred
    to a different 3d planet to continue their journey either through
    reincarnation or direct transfer [via spaceship]?

    i am seeking clarity here and attempting to boil down this
    information to language and concepts that are more accessible to
    youth and people who have never encountered it before, as part of my
    service to the one. since i have not encountered a "beginner's
    version" of the ra info [sm], and i still have a ways to go with this
    material myself, i am appreciative of group suggestions!

    peace and light to all, jam

    --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "cobra42898" <cobra42898@...> wrote:
    > to me, the combination of that and the readings given by ra which
    > indicate that this planet will be 4d positive and not 4d negative
    make
    > it clear that the sts entities and influences will not succeed in
    > their goals. the best they can hope for on this planet at this time
    is
    > to try to reduce the number of entities who "make the cut" to 4d
    > positive. knowing for myself that the sts plan is doomed to failure
    > here makes me see them differently. they work at trying to create
    > fear, so as to make the population easier to control. since i can
    see
    > that they won't succeed, i don't fear them. they are, in a sense,
    > irrlevant. i consider them a curiosity, much the same as i'm kind
    of a
    > history junkie. when the illusion is broken, the jig is up.
    >
    > may we all shine on.
    > tom
    >


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    Charles Cox Guest

    Default Re: I just thought of this....


    > as i try to explain all of this to my youngest son, who is 18 and
    > filled with insecurities about life that would be typical for an 18
    > year old with physical disabilities, according to ra, the ascension
    > process will be a seamless process,
    > i am seeking clarity here and attempting to boil down this
    > information to language and concepts that are more accessible to
    > youth and people who have never encountered it before, as part of my
    > service to the one. since i have not encountered a "beginner's
    > version" of the ra info [sm], and i still have a ways to go with this
    > material myself, i am appreciative of group suggestions!
    >
    > peace and light to all, jam

    it seems the question about what exactly is going to happen and how
    exactly the ascension process is supposed to take place is beyond any
    reasonable understanding with the law of confusion. as for how to
    explain it to your son... tell him what you do know and let him know
    where to find out more. you can't walk his path for him and
    attempting to do more than show him a way is dangerous for both of you.

    -charles


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    pyramidnj Guest

    Default Re: I just thought of this....


    good feedback has been received on this matter, giving me additional
    food for thought, and i appreciate it. i carry within a deep sense
    of responsibility for sharing whatever i can of this information with
    all of my children [4 of my own and a number of others to whom i have
    been drawn over the years] whose lives have other priorities now
    rather than conscious preparation for the great transition. i tried
    emailing links to david's website and related resources, but the
    complexity of the content scared them away. yet, as charles said, i
    must take great care not to try to walk their journey for them.
    hmmmmmm............thanks everyone! jam

    in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "charles cox" <eyez4096@...> wrote:
    >
    > > as i try to explain all of this to my youngest son, who is 18 and
    > > filled with insecurities about life that would be typical for an
    18
    > > year old with physical disabilities, according to ra, the
    ascension
    > > process will be a seamless process,
    > > i am seeking clarity here and attempting to boil down this
    > > information to language and concepts that are more accessible to
    > > youth and people who have never encountered it before, as part of
    my
    > > service to the one. since i have not encountered a "beginner's
    > > version" of the ra info [sm], and i still have a ways to go with
    this
    > > material myself, i am appreciative of group suggestions!
    > >
    > > peace and light to all, jam
    >
    > it seems the question about what exactly is going to happen and how
    > exactly the ascension process is supposed to take place is beyond
    any
    > reasonable understanding with the law of confusion. as for how to
    > explain it to your son... tell him what you do know and let him know
    > where to find out more. you can't walk his path for him and
    > attempting to do more than show him a way is dangerous for both of
    you.
    >
    > -charles
    >


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    cobra42898 Guest

    Default Re: I just thought of this....


    --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "pyramidnj" <pyramidnj@...> wrote:
    >
    > tom, your comments are helpful and resonate with my own humble
    > understanding. thank you for providing your input, particularly in
    > your earlier post. regarding your previous comments about fear, what
    > if people's fears are less about others than about the traumatic
    > upheavals in the earth? does that type of fear have the same effect
    > on one's energy/vibrational level? does fear indiscriminately effect
    > one or does fear for different reasons have a different impact on one?

    tom: thanks for the kind words. i hope i can continue to be a help. my
    understanding is that much of the physical upheaval we are
    experiencing is directly caused by the vibrations of the people
    currently living on this planet. in essence, the distress of the
    people manifests itself as the distress of the earth. this is
    discussed in the readings, likely to a greater depth. the term "outer
    garment" comes to mind for some reason, so perhaps that will help
    search results.

    i have no reference to say whether the effects of such fears of
    physical upheaval are equal to fears of other selves, but i would say
    the net effect is likely similar. the main concept involved being that
    the earth is also a part of the creator, the same as any self or other
    self. there is no reason to fear anything, of any variety. fear
    propagates the view that there is a separation between self and other
    self, whether the other self is 3rd dimensional or 1st dimensional. i
    don't mean to sound repetitive but i hope that answers the question
    fully.

    >
    > as i try to explain all of this to my youngest son, who is 18 and
    > filled with insecurities about life that would be typical for an 18
    > year old with physical disabilities, according to ra, the ascension
    > process will be a seamless process, so much so that many people will
    > not be aware that they are in 4d. i am also assuming that folks of
    > the 4d vibration would then be oblivious to all of the geological and
    > meterological upheavals on the earth, because their earth dimension
    > would exclude the presence of such. is it a misunderstanding of ra's
    > information to say that even the remaining 3ds would be transferred
    > to a different 3d planet to continue their journey either through
    > reincarnation or direct transfer [via spaceship]?
    >
    > i am seeking clarity here and attempting to boil down this
    > information to language and concepts that are more accessible to
    > youth and people who have never encountered it before, as part of my
    > service to the one. since i have not encountered a "beginner's
    > version" of the ra info [sm], and i still have a ways to go with this
    > material myself, i am appreciative of group suggestions!
    >
    > peace and light to all, jam
    >

    tom: what the experience of 3d to 4d transition will be like i cannot
    imagine. i do know that the 4d experience has been called "100x more
    harmonious than our own". i would find it hard to believe that i could
    walk into a world 100x more harmonious one day and not notice
    something's up. lol. the planet itself, even in the early 1980s, was
    given by ra as becoming more representative of a 4d vibration than a
    3d vibration, so clearly by now the planet can only be more so. much
    of the transition has to do with the people. starting with the early
    80s, it's my understanding there are increasingly higher percentages
    of people with a 4d vibration being born. (do a little reading about
    "indigo children", maybe this will help in addition to the readings).
    at the same time, the older, mostly 3d generation is slowly passing
    away. this effect being over 25 years in the process sure has an
    effect on the consciousness level of the planet in general. david
    and/or ra have mentioned the concept of there being a "tipping point",
    a point where the effects of this increase of consciousness will
    become rapidly evident. what happens beyond that point is beyond me.
    this whole transition concept is an area i think david would be better
    versed to speak on, and i'd sure like to understand it better myself.

    as for your son, i would say it may be most beneficial to worry less
    about explaining the physics or the physical manifestations, and more
    about polarizing more before "time's up". (have you gone through the
    loo study guide on the website? i'm not sure if this is the kind of
    overview you're searching for, but maybe it condenses things enough
    for you.) this is how the golden rule becomes so useful as a teaching
    tool (as i just read in another post here). the idea is to offer
    service to others as you would want it offered to you, but not to
    "force" anyone to see your view or to treat others as less than
    yourself. maybe not everyone understands/agrees with everything on the
    website, but i think most would find the golden rule an acceptable
    theory to live by. i figure if i make the grade, i won't have to worry
    so much about the details of the trip. this is of course my own
    opinion, feel free to see it as you may.

    may we all shine on.
    tom


  8. #8
    Mauro Guest

    Default Re: Re: I just thought of this....


    cobra42898 wrote:

    >to me, the combination of that and the readings given by ra which
    indicate that this planet will be 4d positive and not 4d negative make
    it clear that the sts entities and influences will not succeed in
    their goals. the best they can hope for on this planet at this time is
    to try to reduce the number of entities who "make the cut" to 4d
    positive. knowing for myself that the sts plan is doomed to failure
    here makes me see them differently. they work at trying to create
    fear, so as to make the population easier to control. since i can see
    that they won't succeed, i don't fear them. they are, in a sense,
    irrlevant. i consider them a curiosity, much the same as i'm kind of a
    history junkie. when the illusion is broken, the jig is up.

    mc: i believe that, even if gaia has choosen 4d+, sts entities are actually not
    only trying to prevent our 4d+ harvest (which, to them, is marginal only, imho)
    but, above all, to enhance the best they can their 4d- harvestability. don't
    forget that this harvest will be a mixed (&#43;/-) one, and that to be 4d- harvested
    you must reach 95% of negative devotion. furthermore, as i understand it from ra
    material, to be negative is to "steal light/love" from every entity you can,
    while to be positive is to "offer light/love" to everyone.
    if i was in their shoes, even if i would be forced to accept this won't be a 4d-
    planet, i would try my best to reach the 95% quote until the very last minute,
    wouldn't you?
    even from this point of view, i also don't fear them at, but actually i
    appreciate them a little bit for their full devotion on their sts path, which
    i'd like to equal on mine - that is, instead, a sto path.
    anyway, i see them as a catalyst that keeps on pushing me in my sto path.

    l/l
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  9. #9
    pyramidnj Guest

    Default Re: I just thought of this....


    tom, your suggestions are most helpful. i just love the experience
    of asking with deep sincerity, concern and love for "others" and then
    stepping back and allowing a response to emerge from "the great
    oneness" -- it is being reconfirmed to me through this experience of
    communication on this site, that it is so easy to step back and trust
    that we will always be guided to what we need to know at the right
    time. i will spare you the detail of my evolutionary experience
    through the journey of being an over-protective mom of a child whose
    physical disability in this lifetime has provided the stage for me to
    learn a lot about trusting that all is well and the
    ultimate "simplicity" of the oneness of all that is. the information
    you shared, tom, is a good reminder of the lessons this journey has
    provided and that now, the loo teachings offer yet another
    opportunity to connect those critical dots in preparation for the
    next phase of our "journey." i will return to exploring the loo
    information to see what i can find. you are right about the material
    on the indigo children, about which i have a number of resources and
    actually try to keep up with james twyman's work regarding these
    children. i am going to shift into "sponge" mode [sm] and return to
    that information to see what i can come up with to relieve my son's
    anxiety about the transition.

    thanks to all, and especially david, who share their particular
    expertise and perspectives enabling all of us to benefit from a 360
    degree, multidimensional view of circumstances and situations. love
    it! jam

    --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "cobra42898" <cobra42898@...> wrote:
    >
    > --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "pyramidnj" <pyramidnj@> wrote:
    > >
    > > tom, your comments are helpful and resonate with my own humble
    > > understanding. thank you for providing your input, particularly
    in
    > > your earlier post. regarding your previous comments about fear,
    what
    > > if people's fears are less about others than about the traumatic
    > > upheavals in the earth? does that type of fear have the same
    effect
    > > on one's energy/vibrational level? does fear indiscriminately
    effect
    > > one or does fear for different reasons have a different impact on
    one?
    >
    > tom: thanks for the kind words. i hope i can continue to be a help.
    my
    > understanding is that much of the physical upheaval we are
    > experiencing is directly caused by the vibrations of the people
    > currently living on this planet. in essence, the distress of the
    > people manifests itself as the distress of the earth. this is
    > discussed in the readings, likely to a greater depth. the
    term "outer
    > garment" comes to mind for some reason, so perhaps that will help
    > search results.
    >
    > i have no reference to say whether the effects of such fears of
    > physical upheaval are equal to fears of other selves, but i would
    say
    > the net effect is likely similar. the main concept involved being
    that
    > the earth is also a part of the creator, the same as any self or
    other
    > self. there is no reason to fear anything, of any variety. fear
    > propagates the view that there is a separation between self and
    other
    > self, whether the other self is 3rd dimensional or 1st dimensional.
    i
    > don't mean to sound repetitive but i hope that answers the question
    > fully.
    >
    > >
    > > as i try to explain all of this to my youngest son, who is 18 and
    > > filled with insecurities about life that would be typical for an
    18
    > > year old with physical disabilities, according to ra, the
    ascension
    > > process will be a seamless process, so much so that many people
    will
    > > not be aware that they are in 4d. i am also assuming that folks
    of
    > > the 4d vibration would then be oblivious to all of the geological
    and
    > > meterological upheavals on the earth, because their earth
    dimension
    > > would exclude the presence of such. is it a misunderstanding of
    ra's
    > > information to say that even the remaining 3ds would be
    transferred
    > > to a different 3d planet to continue their journey either through
    > > reincarnation or direct transfer [via spaceship]?
    > >
    > > i am seeking clarity here and attempting to boil down this
    > > information to language and concepts that are more accessible to
    > > youth and people who have never encountered it before, as part of
    my
    > > service to the one. since i have not encountered a "beginner's
    > > version" of the ra info [sm], and i still have a ways to go with
    this
    > > material myself, i am appreciative of group suggestions!
    > >
    > > peace and light to all, jam
    > >
    >
    > tom: what the experience of 3d to 4d transition will be like i
    cannot
    > imagine. i do know that the 4d experience has been called "100x more
    > harmonious than our own". i would find it hard to believe that i
    could
    > walk into a world 100x more harmonious one day and not notice
    > something's up. lol. the planet itself, even in the early 1980s, was
    > given by ra as becoming more representative of a 4d vibration than a
    > 3d vibration, so clearly by now the planet can only be more so. much
    > of the transition has to do with the people. starting with the early
    > 80s, it's my understanding there are increasingly higher percentages
    > of people with a 4d vibration being born. (do a little reading about
    > "indigo children", maybe this will help in addition to the
    readings).
    > at the same time, the older, mostly 3d generation is slowly passing
    > away. this effect being over 25 years in the process sure has an
    > effect on the consciousness level of the planet in general. david
    > and/or ra have mentioned the concept of there being a "tipping
    point",
    > a point where the effects of this increase of consciousness will
    > become rapidly evident. what happens beyond that point is beyond me.
    > this whole transition concept is an area i think david would be
    better
    > versed to speak on, and i'd sure like to understand it better
    myself.
    >
    > as for your son, i would say it may be most beneficial to worry less
    > about explaining the physics or the physical manifestations, and
    more
    > about polarizing more before "time's up". (have you gone through the
    > loo study guide on the website? i'm not sure if this is the kind of
    > overview you're searching for, but maybe it condenses things enough
    > for you.) this is how the golden rule becomes so useful as a
    teaching
    > tool (as i just read in another post here). the idea is to offer
    > service to others as you would want it offered to you, but not to
    > "force" anyone to see your view or to treat others as less than
    > yourself. maybe not everyone understands/agrees with everything on
    the
    > website, but i think most would find the golden rule an acceptable
    > theory to live by. i figure if i make the grade, i won't have to
    worry
    > so much about the details of the trip. this is of course my own
    > opinion, feel free to see it as you may.
    >
    > may we all shine on.
    > tom
    >


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