I just thought of this....

[wubby gump]

questioner: i would like to ask, considering the free
will distortion of the law of one, how can the
guardians quarantine the earth? is this quarantine
within free will?

ra: i am ra. the guardians guard the free will
distortion of the mind/body/spirit complexes of third
density on this planetary sphere. the events which
required activation of quarantine were interfering
with the free will distortion of mind/body/spirit
complexes.

questioner: i may be wrong, but it seems to me that it
would be the free will of, say the orion group, to
interfere. how is this balanced with the information
which you just gave?

ra: i am ra. the balancing is from dimension to
dimension. the attempts of the so-called crusaders to
interfere with free will are acceptable upon the
dimension of their understanding. however, the
mind/body/spirit complexes of this dimension you call
third form a dimension of free will which is not able
to, shall we say, recognize in full, the distortions
towards manipulation. thus, in order to balance the
dimensional variances in vibration, a quarantine, this
being a balancing situation whereby the free will of
the orion group is not stopped but given a challenge.
meanwhile, the third group is not hindered from free
choice.
* * * *
thomas: okay.......... so if dw's blogs are "right on
the money"...... would it be safe to say, based on the
excerpt from the law of one above............. "the
attempts of the so-called crusaders to interfere with
free will are acceptable upon the dimension of their
understanding".............. that this whole "nwo"
movement is based on "their" understanding of the law
of one?
we talk about "unity" & "planetary
consciousness"....... unification............ all is
one......... is that not what "their" goal is?
isn't that the law of one?
it is said in tons & tons of readings on l/l research
that there is no "right" & there is no "wrong" (which
apparently we are unable to recognize due to being 3d
- perhaps this is why jesus always spoke in parables -
to preserve the law of confusion & also to 'speak the
truth' - come to think of it, that's just what the
channelled entities do on l/l research as well) but i
wish to know if what i finally realize......... based
on all this information that dw has put out......
based on all the links i've read...... based on all
these experiences i've had in my life..............
that "they" are simply doing what "they"
know............. "their" level of
understanding........and even though it is a violation
of free will at times (all the time?)...............
on that note, i mean, really............ (i like how
dw interjects some humor into his subtitles in these
articles - if you're not already laughing,
etc)................ but anyone can turn off the
browser in the midst of reading any of
that................ anyone can choose not to
participate in this forum, turn off the radio whenever
they don't hear something they like, walk out of a
movie, etc........ you still, no matter what the
circumstance, at any given moment, always have a
choice in the matter.................... and i've
always, always wondered about "secret societies",
masons, governments, churches, ufos........... and
i've always just wanted to understand actions &
motivations............... with all this stuff that dw
has blogged................. well i just can't hate
"these people" anymore............... i feel like i
can "see" what "they" are doing & although it is not
inherently "good".......... i cannot see "them" as
inherently "bad" either............ i think we all
want the same thing, we just have different ways to go
about it........ based on our levels of
understanding...... based on our degrees of
distortion.............. heck....... those of you that
are older now...... look at all the dumb stuff you did
as a kid........... that you would never dream of
doing in a million years based on where you are at
now.......... isn't that what this is all about.......
the experience?!?
sooooo many things are just clicking right now, like
tumblers in a lock.........
i've read & heard all these links from the blogs, and
i have tloo open on my desktop almost everyday (as
well as l/l research) & i just......... i cannot hate
"them" anymore........... it's just too much
work............ it's just so much easier to have
compassion for "them"......... it's even hard for me
to say or think like that (us vs. them) - - "forgive
them lord for they know not what they do" comes to
mind.......... i just have compassion........ copious,
copious amounts of compassion & love for all things
(now if i can only get this self-deprication thing
worked out, i might be alright)............ it has
been said that this existence is about "the
experience"........ "the creator wishes to know
itself"......... is not this an example of just that
principle?
would we even have a concept of who/what we are or
where we're going if not for all of these things? i
just know one thing right now............. and that is
that i just cannot hate, no matter what...............
i just feel........... unconditional love &
compassion......

anybody else have similar thoughts/feelings.... see
any of these things?

~ thomas

p.s. ~ don elkins is simply brilliant in his line(s)
of questioning...... i really would have liked to have
met him in person........ i think we would have talked
for hours on end......... perhaps even days!



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[cobra42898]

i'm going totally by my own understandings of things here, so feel
free to correct me if i'm wrong or you disagree...
"their" understanding of the loo being service to self, would
eventually lead to enslavement of the majority of the population. all
selves using and controlling other selves for their own benefit. while
indeed the paths are equal, by the 7th dimension the sts path no
longer exists because it becomes too difficult to continue on not
seeing each part of the creator as equal. all are one. at some point
in the long run, sto becomes necessary for further spiritual growth.

to me, the combination of that and the readings given by ra which
indicate that this planet will be 4d positive and not 4d negative make
it clear that the sts entities and influences will not succeed in
their goals. the best they can hope for on this planet at this time is
to try to reduce the number of entities who "make the cut" to 4d
positive. knowing for myself that the sts plan is doomed to failure
here makes me see them differently. they work at trying to create
fear, so as to make the population easier to control. since i can see
that they won't succeed, i don't fear them. they are, in a sense,
irrlevant. i consider them a curiosity, much the same as i'm kind of a
history junkie. when the illusion is broken, the jig is up.

hate is wasted energy. i've been working on myself a lot over the
years in trying to reduce the amount of time i waste on that emotion.
in most cases i find removing certain people from my life, or limiting
my exposure to those people does wonders. left to my own defenses i
really have no reason to hate anything.

in a galactic higher dimensional view, where the positive and negative
entities do not live side by side as we do here, it's much easier to
see both paths as equal. this is largely because on positive or
negative planets, all entities incarnating there choose to be there. a
4d negative entity can choose to reverse polarity, or vice versa.
there are some ra readings to this effect, which i think are even in
david's loo study guide. the point is that the view is more harmonious
above the 3rd dimension.

so, we've got a little over 5 1/2 years til the mayan end date. what
are we to do really until then? personally, i'm just trying to keep
head above water with my bills (aren't we all?), staying aware of the
world around me, and doing my best to polarize myself further toward
sto. it's kind of hard for each of us to tell our own percentage
polarization, but i figure it'll keep us honest, right? lol. in a few
years maybe all these college loans i've got will be irrelevant too.
wouldn't that be nice?

and yes, i too have been reading a lot over at l/l research. those
transcripts are invaluable, though it'll probably take me forever to
get through them all.

may we all shine on.
tom

[M.W.]

>
> anybody else have similar thoughts/feelings.... see
> any of these things?
>
> ~ thomas

of course. such makes up a salient part of the philosophical backbone
running throughout the ra material. from at least an objective point of
view i can't muster up any hatred for them either.

billious g.

[pyramidnj]

tom, your comments are helpful and resonate with my own humble
understanding. thank you for providing your input, particularly in
your earlier post. regarding your previous comments about fear, what
if people's fears are less about others than about the traumatic
upheavals in the earth? does that type of fear have the same effect
on one's energy/vibrational level? does fear indiscriminately effect
one or does fear for different reasons have a different impact on one?

as i try to explain all of this to my youngest son, who is 18 and
filled with insecurities about life that would be typical for an 18
year old with physical disabilities, according to ra, the ascension
process will be a seamless process, so much so that many people will
not be aware that they are in 4d. i am also assuming that folks of
the 4d vibration would then be oblivious to all of the geological and
meterological upheavals on the earth, because their earth dimension
would exclude the presence of such. is it a misunderstanding of ra's
information to say that even the remaining 3ds would be transferred
to a different 3d planet to continue their journey either through
reincarnation or direct transfer [via spaceship]?

i am seeking clarity here and attempting to boil down this
information to language and concepts that are more accessible to
youth and people who have never encountered it before, as part of my
service to the one. since i have not encountered a "beginner's
version" of the ra info [sm], and i still have a ways to go with this
material myself, i am appreciative of group suggestions!

peace and light to all, jam

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "cobra42898" <cobra42898@...> wrote:
> to me, the combination of that and the readings given by ra which
> indicate that this planet will be 4d positive and not 4d negative
make
> it clear that the sts entities and influences will not succeed in
> their goals. the best they can hope for on this planet at this time
is
> to try to reduce the number of entities who "make the cut" to 4d
> positive. knowing for myself that the sts plan is doomed to failure
> here makes me see them differently. they work at trying to create
> fear, so as to make the population easier to control. since i can
see
> that they won't succeed, i don't fear them. they are, in a sense,
> irrlevant. i consider them a curiosity, much the same as i'm kind
of a
> history junkie. when the illusion is broken, the jig is up.
>
> may we all shine on.
> tom
>

[Charles Cox]

> as i try to explain all of this to my youngest son, who is 18 and
> filled with insecurities about life that would be typical for an 18
> year old with physical disabilities, according to ra, the ascension
> process will be a seamless process,
> i am seeking clarity here and attempting to boil down this
> information to language and concepts that are more accessible to
> youth and people who have never encountered it before, as part of my
> service to the one. since i have not encountered a "beginner's
> version" of the ra info [sm], and i still have a ways to go with this
> material myself, i am appreciative of group suggestions!
>
> peace and light to all, jam

it seems the question about what exactly is going to happen and how
exactly the ascension process is supposed to take place is beyond any
reasonable understanding with the law of confusion. as for how to
explain it to your son... tell him what you do know and let him know
where to find out more. you can't walk his path for him and
attempting to do more than show him a way is dangerous for both of you.

-charles

[pyramidnj]

good feedback has been received on this matter, giving me additional
food for thought, and i appreciate it. i carry within a deep sense
of responsibility for sharing whatever i can of this information with
all of my children [4 of my own and a number of others to whom i have
been drawn over the years] whose lives have other priorities now
rather than conscious preparation for the great transition. i tried
emailing links to david's website and related resources, but the
complexity of the content scared them away. yet, as charles said, i
must take great care not to try to walk their journey for them.
hmmmmmm............thanks everyone! jam

in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "charles cox" <eyez4096@...> wrote:
>
> > as i try to explain all of this to my youngest son, who is 18 and
> > filled with insecurities about life that would be typical for an
18
> > year old with physical disabilities, according to ra, the
ascension
> > process will be a seamless process,
> > i am seeking clarity here and attempting to boil down this
> > information to language and concepts that are more accessible to
> > youth and people who have never encountered it before, as part of
my
> > service to the one. since i have not encountered a "beginner's
> > version" of the ra info [sm], and i still have a ways to go with
this
> > material myself, i am appreciative of group suggestions!
> >
> > peace and light to all, jam
>
> it seems the question about what exactly is going to happen and how
> exactly the ascension process is supposed to take place is beyond
any
> reasonable understanding with the law of confusion. as for how to
> explain it to your son... tell him what you do know and let him know
> where to find out more. you can't walk his path for him and
> attempting to do more than show him a way is dangerous for both of
you.
>
> -charles
>

[cobra42898]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "pyramidnj" <pyramidnj@...> wrote:
>
> tom, your comments are helpful and resonate with my own humble
> understanding. thank you for providing your input, particularly in
> your earlier post. regarding your previous comments about fear, what
> if people's fears are less about others than about the traumatic
> upheavals in the earth? does that type of fear have the same effect
> on one's energy/vibrational level? does fear indiscriminately effect
> one or does fear for different reasons have a different impact on one?

tom: thanks for the kind words. i hope i can continue to be a help. my
understanding is that much of the physical upheaval we are
experiencing is directly caused by the vibrations of the people
currently living on this planet. in essence, the distress of the
people manifests itself as the distress of the earth. this is
discussed in the readings, likely to a greater depth. the term "outer
garment" comes to mind for some reason, so perhaps that will help
search results.

i have no reference to say whether the effects of such fears of
physical upheaval are equal to fears of other selves, but i would say
the net effect is likely similar. the main concept involved being that
the earth is also a part of the creator, the same as any self or other
self. there is no reason to fear anything, of any variety. fear
propagates the view that there is a separation between self and other
self, whether the other self is 3rd dimensional or 1st dimensional. i
don't mean to sound repetitive but i hope that answers the question
fully.

>
> as i try to explain all of this to my youngest son, who is 18 and
> filled with insecurities about life that would be typical for an 18
> year old with physical disabilities, according to ra, the ascension
> process will be a seamless process, so much so that many people will
> not be aware that they are in 4d. i am also assuming that folks of
> the 4d vibration would then be oblivious to all of the geological and
> meterological upheavals on the earth, because their earth dimension
> would exclude the presence of such. is it a misunderstanding of ra's
> information to say that even the remaining 3ds would be transferred
> to a different 3d planet to continue their journey either through
> reincarnation or direct transfer [via spaceship]?
>
> i am seeking clarity here and attempting to boil down this
> information to language and concepts that are more accessible to
> youth and people who have never encountered it before, as part of my
> service to the one. since i have not encountered a "beginner's
> version" of the ra info [sm], and i still have a ways to go with this
> material myself, i am appreciative of group suggestions!
>
> peace and light to all, jam
>

tom: what the experience of 3d to 4d transition will be like i cannot
imagine. i do know that the 4d experience has been called "100x more
harmonious than our own". i would find it hard to believe that i could
walk into a world 100x more harmonious one day and not notice
something's up. lol. the planet itself, even in the early 1980s, was
given by ra as becoming more representative of a 4d vibration than a
3d vibration, so clearly by now the planet can only be more so. much
of the transition has to do with the people. starting with the early
80s, it's my understanding there are increasingly higher percentages
of people with a 4d vibration being born. (do a little reading about
"indigo children", maybe this will help in addition to the readings).
at the same time, the older, mostly 3d generation is slowly passing
away. this effect being over 25 years in the process sure has an
effect on the consciousness level of the planet in general. david
and/or ra have mentioned the concept of there being a "tipping point",
a point where the effects of this increase of consciousness will
become rapidly evident. what happens beyond that point is beyond me.
this whole transition concept is an area i think david would be better
versed to speak on, and i'd sure like to understand it better myself.

as for your son, i would say it may be most beneficial to worry less
about explaining the physics or the physical manifestations, and more
about polarizing more before "time's up". (have you gone through the
loo study guide on the website? i'm not sure if this is the kind of
overview you're searching for, but maybe it condenses things enough
for you.) this is how the golden rule becomes so useful as a teaching
tool (as i just read in another post here). the idea is to offer
service to others as you would want it offered to you, but not to
"force" anyone to see your view or to treat others as less than
yourself. maybe not everyone understands/agrees with everything on the
website, but i think most would find the golden rule an acceptable
theory to live by. i figure if i make the grade, i won't have to worry
so much about the details of the trip. this is of course my own
opinion, feel free to see it as you may.

may we all shine on.
tom

[Mauro]

cobra42898 wrote:

>to me, the combination of that and the readings given by ra which
indicate that this planet will be 4d positive and not 4d negative make
it clear that the sts entities and influences will not succeed in
their goals. the best they can hope for on this planet at this time is
to try to reduce the number of entities who "make the cut" to 4d
positive. knowing for myself that the sts plan is doomed to failure
here makes me see them differently. they work at trying to create
fear, so as to make the population easier to control. since i can see
that they won't succeed, i don't fear them. they are, in a sense,
irrlevant. i consider them a curiosity, much the same as i'm kind of a
history junkie. when the illusion is broken, the jig is up.

mc: i believe that, even if gaia has choosen 4d+, sts entities are actually not
only trying to prevent our 4d+ harvest (which, to them, is marginal only, imho)
but, above all, to enhance the best they can their 4d- harvestability. don't
forget that this harvest will be a mixed (&#43;/-) one, and that to be 4d- harvested
you must reach 95% of negative devotion. furthermore, as i understand it from ra
material, to be negative is to "steal light/love" from every entity you can,
while to be positive is to "offer light/love" to everyone.
if i was in their shoes, even if i would be forced to accept this won't be a 4d-
planet, i would try my best to reach the 95% quote until the very last minute,
wouldn't you?
even from this point of view, i also don't fear them at, but actually i
appreciate them a little bit for their full devotion on their sts path, which
i'd like to equal on mine - that is, instead, a sto path.
anyway, i see them as a catalyst that keeps on pushing me in my sto path.

l/l
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[pyramidnj]

tom, your suggestions are most helpful. i just love the experience
of asking with deep sincerity, concern and love for "others" and then
stepping back and allowing a response to emerge from "the great
oneness" -- it is being reconfirmed to me through this experience of
communication on this site, that it is so easy to step back and trust
that we will always be guided to what we need to know at the right
time. i will spare you the detail of my evolutionary experience
through the journey of being an over-protective mom of a child whose
physical disability in this lifetime has provided the stage for me to
learn a lot about trusting that all is well and the
ultimate "simplicity" of the oneness of all that is. the information
you shared, tom, is a good reminder of the lessons this journey has
provided and that now, the loo teachings offer yet another
opportunity to connect those critical dots in preparation for the
next phase of our "journey." i will return to exploring the loo
information to see what i can find. you are right about the material
on the indigo children, about which i have a number of resources and
actually try to keep up with james twyman's work regarding these
children. i am going to shift into "sponge" mode [sm] and return to
that information to see what i can come up with to relieve my son's
anxiety about the transition.

thanks to all, and especially david, who share their particular
expertise and perspectives enabling all of us to benefit from a 360
degree, multidimensional view of circumstances and situations. love
it! jam

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "cobra42898" <cobra42898@...> wrote:
>
> --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "pyramidnj" <pyramidnj@> wrote:
> >
> > tom, your comments are helpful and resonate with my own humble
> > understanding. thank you for providing your input, particularly
in
> > your earlier post. regarding your previous comments about fear,
what
> > if people's fears are less about others than about the traumatic
> > upheavals in the earth? does that type of fear have the same
effect
> > on one's energy/vibrational level? does fear indiscriminately
effect
> > one or does fear for different reasons have a different impact on
one?
>
> tom: thanks for the kind words. i hope i can continue to be a help.
my
> understanding is that much of the physical upheaval we are
> experiencing is directly caused by the vibrations of the people
> currently living on this planet. in essence, the distress of the
> people manifests itself as the distress of the earth. this is
> discussed in the readings, likely to a greater depth. the
term "outer
> garment" comes to mind for some reason, so perhaps that will help
> search results.
>
> i have no reference to say whether the effects of such fears of
> physical upheaval are equal to fears of other selves, but i would
say
> the net effect is likely similar. the main concept involved being
that
> the earth is also a part of the creator, the same as any self or
other
> self. there is no reason to fear anything, of any variety. fear
> propagates the view that there is a separation between self and
other
> self, whether the other self is 3rd dimensional or 1st dimensional.
i
> don't mean to sound repetitive but i hope that answers the question
> fully.
>
> >
> > as i try to explain all of this to my youngest son, who is 18 and
> > filled with insecurities about life that would be typical for an
18
> > year old with physical disabilities, according to ra, the
ascension
> > process will be a seamless process, so much so that many people
will
> > not be aware that they are in 4d. i am also assuming that folks
of
> > the 4d vibration would then be oblivious to all of the geological
and
> > meterological upheavals on the earth, because their earth
dimension
> > would exclude the presence of such. is it a misunderstanding of
ra's
> > information to say that even the remaining 3ds would be
transferred
> > to a different 3d planet to continue their journey either through
> > reincarnation or direct transfer [via spaceship]?
> >
> > i am seeking clarity here and attempting to boil down this
> > information to language and concepts that are more accessible to
> > youth and people who have never encountered it before, as part of
my
> > service to the one. since i have not encountered a "beginner's
> > version" of the ra info [sm], and i still have a ways to go with
this
> > material myself, i am appreciative of group suggestions!
> >
> > peace and light to all, jam
> >
>
> tom: what the experience of 3d to 4d transition will be like i
cannot
> imagine. i do know that the 4d experience has been called "100x more
> harmonious than our own". i would find it hard to believe that i
could
> walk into a world 100x more harmonious one day and not notice
> something's up. lol. the planet itself, even in the early 1980s, was
> given by ra as becoming more representative of a 4d vibration than a
> 3d vibration, so clearly by now the planet can only be more so. much
> of the transition has to do with the people. starting with the early
> 80s, it's my understanding there are increasingly higher percentages
> of people with a 4d vibration being born. (do a little reading about
> "indigo children", maybe this will help in addition to the
readings).
> at the same time, the older, mostly 3d generation is slowly passing
> away. this effect being over 25 years in the process sure has an
> effect on the consciousness level of the planet in general. david
> and/or ra have mentioned the concept of there being a "tipping
point",
> a point where the effects of this increase of consciousness will
> become rapidly evident. what happens beyond that point is beyond me.
> this whole transition concept is an area i think david would be
better
> versed to speak on, and i'd sure like to understand it better
myself.
>
> as for your son, i would say it may be most beneficial to worry less
> about explaining the physics or the physical manifestations, and
more
> about polarizing more before "time's up". (have you gone through the
> loo study guide on the website? i'm not sure if this is the kind of
> overview you're searching for, but maybe it condenses things enough
> for you.) this is how the golden rule becomes so useful as a
teaching
> tool (as i just read in another post here). the idea is to offer
> service to others as you would want it offered to you, but not to
> "force" anyone to see your view or to treat others as less than
> yourself. maybe not everyone understands/agrees with everything on
the
> website, but i think most would find the golden rule an acceptable
> theory to live by. i figure if i make the grade, i won't have to
worry
> so much about the details of the trip. this is of course my own
> opinion, feel free to see it as you may.
>
> may we all shine on.
> tom
>