A theological theory for someone to poke holes in.

[bluephoenix010]

wow, i've got some very good responses here. the forgiving of people
of past transgressions was interesting, that the woman phoned the guy
after he forgave her. let me be just a little more dark here and say
that i have forgiven people, prayed and needed to forgive them. then
they have immediately changed and i have felt far better.

after which of course i was like, well i've forgiven that person, but
i don't wanna spend time around them, can they not be 'forgiven at a
distance'. so i try and forgive the person 'only just enough' to not
be irritated by anger, but not have to spend time around them. alas,
it does not work like that.

the law of grace was very interesting. and appreciated, even needed
here! it really makes sense of life a bit.


--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "usn_5371" <cjhayden@...> wrote: im not
sure you can
> change the "past" from what would seam the "future", would'nt that
> change the present?

if i was driving a car on a road, (or series of), and someone removed
a part of the road i had already driven on, would it effect me? not
unless i was planning to drive back, which is very difficult in this
analogy.

technically, when you forgive someone the present changes anyway
because your energy so drastically flows differently.

i did like your other post when you were questioning karma. that
showed a lot of non conformist thinking and especially 'my thoughts
may be wrong and are constantly changing.'

you get quite useful things from such thinking.

[usn_5371]

hey bill

sorry i did'nt get back to sooner,

was nearly finished my post but was distracted and deleted it,
so i'll try again.

i have respect for religions/beliefs but dont agree with the whole
dont ask questions part. i lean towards the ideas/religions
originating from the subcontinent of india, i also like the idea of
the great mother earth and native american philosophys.


i was refering to the christian gnostics around the 1st-3rd centuary
ad, who read from the 25 or so gospels, and i think they belived in
being intuitive aswell, which i liked, kinda like jc himself.
so dont just blindly read the "word", try to achive the same things
jc did.

i have not read in detail any of loo or dw's work, im planning to
when i get a chance.
i belive in a supreme being, which we're and everything else is a
manifisation of.

i never said i was a higher being, thats not what i was saying, but i
suppose i am? in another time/space? or so im lead to belive. so
about my higher-self being part of a group soul, they (me?) only
asist? i suppose if you ask for help its not interfering with free
will, maybe.
whats the point of "now" if we've already achived a higher state of
conciousness? did we achive it aeons ago? or since theres no such
thing as time it exsists along side our reality? the latter seams to
make a bit more sense.


about the karma thing, i was trying to say that if were all one how
can there be karma, or can karma be self induced, but there is no
self, right? only one. if i was to do something to you how could it
be karma if im you and your me?


talk to you again

peace

chris



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[M.W.]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "usn_5371" <cjhayden@...> wrote:
>
> hey bill
>
> sorry i did'nt get back to sooner,
>
> was nearly finished my post but was distracted and deleted it,
> so i'll try again.

bill says: gad! that's frustrating, to lose all that
work just as you go to hit the "send" button!

snip

the gnostics had some good insights, but hard to
decipher their writings since they were trying
to keep a low profile -- but not low enough as
they were targeted and wiped-out because of their
"heretical" non-literal brand of spiritual belief.


> i have not read in detail any of loo or dw's work, im planning to
> when i get a chance.

yes! you must study the loo and david's work...
being somewhat familiar with the material
is a pre-requisite for list membership (else ms
chris will spank you!...lovingly, of course )

snip

> whats the point of "now" if we've already achived a higher state of
> conciousness? did we achive it aeons ago? or since theres no such
> thing as time it exists along side our reality? the latter seams
to make a bit more sense.

bill: one can be in a higher dimension but find
progress stalled through some shortcoming, etc.
(or simply wanting to help out )whatever, the
choice is made to go back to the 3-d. but this
is no slumming vacation to idle through. wanderer
or repeater, we are now 3-d personages and we have
to meet the criteria, else stuck in a re-cycle.
>
>
> about the karma thing, i was trying to say that if were all one how
> can there be karma, or can karma be self induced, but there is no
> self, right? only one. if i was to do something to you how could it
> be karma if im you and your me?

bill: i see what you mean. the trouble is that we have
a tough time holding and accepting that idea as reality.
don't forget that an all important lesson we must
learn is to love and forgive self. that is tough to
do sometimes. since we can hurt ourselves it follows
that we can hurt those whom we merely try to think
of as one with ourselves.



> peace

bill says, likewise, chris!