the lemming factor

Jeremy Weiland · 02-17-2002, 08:39 PM

hey karen,

i enjoyed your post and wanted to share my thoughts
about some of the points you brought up. i was gonna
quote your letter and respond to parts of it, but i'd
rather just respond to the whole thing in general.

before i studied the ra material, i believed that, as
a planet, we needed to effect some drastic change in
our lifestyle in order to survive. i believed that a
great cataclysm was going to engulf earth in the
future and that we had to prepare for the worst.

now i don't think that. i know that my individual
progress is not dependant upon the state of humanity
in general. free will gives every (seemingly)
separate entity the ability to excercise their
potential to the maximum or minimum, according to
their choice. the ascension event is designed to open
the door to those who are ready for the next step.

also, the planet is in a sad state right now, yes.
there is much negativity on the planet. but that is
also one of the greatest catalysts for polarization.
we came to 3d knowing that it was going to be a huge
challenge, that there was going to be immense
suffering and inequity. but there is hidden truth in
what on the surface looks like mere cruelty and
recklessness. there is so much to learn about our
nature and that of the creator in the darkest pits.

why should we ask our brothers and sisters to step up
to a level that they are not prepared for? humanity,
in general, is not up to a 4d level of love and
empathy and justice, this is true. but i don't see
that as a problem so much as a place in our
development. nobody can languish in negativity
forever, and all paths lead to oneness. so where is
the danger? the only urgency i sense is that of the
individual to learn as much about oneself in the
unique conditions of 3d as possible before the
ascension, not because it will never happen again but
to save time.

i feel like, for the most part, i'm resigned to ascend
if that's my fate and stick around in 3d if that's my
fate. i rest easy in the knowledge that whatever is
in my best interests will be carried out, since the
universe is educational and the soul is eternal.
there is no danger, only growth.

of course, if humanity in general could raise their
awareness to a higher level, many positive things
could occur on the planet, and the coming years would
not be so difficult. but ra makes clear that the
difficulty ahead of us will serve to polarize many to
a state where they will be able to ascend. in
essence, the most difficult, painful experiences have
the most educational value. so why scheme to avoid
them? since, from our viewpoint in 3d, everything is
going to happen the way it needs to anyway, why not
just concentrate on the basics personally, knowing
that this world is, more or less, just a drama that
has an end and a purpose?

just adding a different slant to basically the same
things you said.

jeremy

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jgernat@... · 02-17-2002, 10:35 PM

hello all,

my first post. ever.

peace be unto you.

the jest of ra material is oneness and unity.

you are the positive secret society.

wake up people. you are the ones to change the world!

you are who you have been waiting for.

i am honored always by your emails.

no greater love,

jane gernat
jgernat@aol.com

life is a circle

sirbiotech · 02-18-2002, 02:53 AM

but wouldnt it be nice if something positive occured rather than
something negative? remember how in the film contact the people of
the world polarized in leiu of the new information received from
seti. why not something like that instead of some nasty violent world
war or em weapon being used by china? (which currently seems farr
fetched to me, the president of china is retiring next year and the
main thing he wants as his legacy is improved relations with america)

anyway, personally i think that if these higher beings would throw us
a bone that would be something that not only would open peoples eyes,
but be make front page news all over the world. i know i know..free
will. they cant do what i am asking...but it would be interesting.
how many people are really responsible for the actions of the insane
men who run the worlds governments and wars? i cant believe we would
all be lumped in with what amounts to a small percentage of the so
called elite. all i know for sure is expect nothing from the ones
running things. they will definitely make things worse in the coming
years. look at their track record. as far as saying "we" vote self
serving leaders into office...50% of americans dont vote! they know
the politicians are corrupt and lost interest in participating.

if you think about it, whose fault is it that religions have done so
much damage to the people of the world (ie christianity, judaism,
islam etc.) from the ra text, it seems the seeds of the middle east
problems, stem from orion negative et influence in creating the
religions in the first place. then man took the lead with the council
of nicea, the buring of the gnostics, etc. put the power in the right
hands and the whole planet got screwed. could the consciousness of
most people desire these people and events? if thats true, then maybe
most people arent ready for a graduation.

in mandelkars book he says if your a wanderer, one sign is that you
cant conceive of the violence and behavior of most men. i feel that
way, always have, but i am not saying im a wanderer. but it doesnt
compute. if it computes with most people, meaning to them war and the
worlds negative events are acceptable or something, then i guess
theres another reason there wont be a substantial harvest. hey...the
ra statistics say none made it first go around, 150 made it second,
but stayed. i guess if 1000 or 10,000 make it this time, it's still
in the right direction.

there is mention is david's atlantean heritage book about a
directorate and a positive orientated secret society. there are
humans we are talking about so theu obviously can play by different
rules than ra. are they planning anything? who are they? where are
they now when they are needed most on a global level? do they intend
to make public any information? just think if they are human and part
of a positive secret society in contact with higher dimensional
beings, they have an obligation as that organization to do
something..anything. sure seems the negative ones get their chance to
do a lot of things on this planet...why not positive ones too. cant a
positive spiritual revelation or event polarize people as much as a
negative one in this 3-d? we are seeking contact. seti is
specifically designed for that purpose. couldnt someone beam us
a "hello" with a friendly message? not that seti would report it to
us! just thought of the movie contact and how the people in the film
polarized as a result of the information received.

guess the mystery will unfold as it may. just think that once the
shift is made, there should be a lot of contemplation on how within a
75,000 year period..so many are still asleep. seems like someone
screwed up somewhere. hey even ra admits they were naive in their
communications with us. but if this happens thousands of times before
in this galaxy, youd think someone would have a better handle on
things to ensure a substantial harvest..specially at the end of the
entire planetary cycle.

i have come to realize david's work can't answer all these questions
of course. i guess the veil to access these answers will only be
penetrated with disciplined daily mediation. that is very
challenging..no doubt about that.

maybe the positive event i hope will occur will be the shift in
consciouness on a planetary level. this would not require any
outside "interference." but...based on the concept of free will, how
can it be permitted that a few thousand people meditating could shift
the rest to the higher consciounsess. the other millions may not want
it! will they just die? perhaps the idea of a massive change in
consciousness wont be allowed due to its infringment on the rest who
arent interested. i hope things will be clearer as the clock ticks
along...sooner rather than later.

as you said jeremy, what really matters is where each of us is at
individually. tryin to keep that in mind but knowing how much
positive things are just hovering beneath the surface, its unbearable
to see things moving along as life as usual. i think i need to throw
out my tv and stop reading the news. too depressing. peace all..

jason

--- in asc2k@y..., jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@y...> wrote:
> hey karen,
>
> i enjoyed your post and wanted to share my thoughts
> about some of the points you brought up. i was gonna
> quote your letter and respond to parts of it, but i'd
> rather just respond to the whole thing in general.
>
> before i studied the ra material, i believed that, as
> a planet, we needed to effect some drastic change in
> our lifestyle in order to survive. i believed that a
> great cataclysm was going to engulf earth in the
> future and that we had to prepare for the worst.
>
> now i don't think that. i know that my individual
> progress is not dependant upon the state of humanity
> in general. free will gives every (seemingly)
> separate entity the ability to excercise their
> potential to the maximum or minimum, according to
> their choice. the ascension event is designed to open
> the door to those who are ready for the next step.
>
> also, the planet is in a sad state right now, yes.
> there is much negativity on the planet. but that is
> also one of the greatest catalysts for polarization.
> we came to 3d knowing that it was going to be a huge
> challenge, that there was going to be immense
> suffering and inequity. but there is hidden truth in
> what on the surface looks like mere cruelty and
> recklessness. there is so much to learn about our
> nature and that of the creator in the darkest pits.
>
> why should we ask our brothers and sisters to step up
> to a level that they are not prepared for? humanity,
> in general, is not up to a 4d level of love and
> empathy and justice, this is true. but i don't see
> that as a problem so much as a place in our
> development. nobody can languish in negativity
> forever, and all paths lead to oneness. so where is
> the danger? the only urgency i sense is that of the
> individual to learn as much about oneself in the
> unique conditions of 3d as possible before the
> ascension, not because it will never happen again but
> to save time.
>
> i feel like, for the most part, i'm resigned to ascend
> if that's my fate and stick around in 3d if that's my
> fate. i rest easy in the knowledge that whatever is
> in my best interests will be carried out, since the
> universe is educational and the soul is eternal.
> there is no danger, only growth.
>
> of course, if humanity in general could raise their
> awareness to a higher level, many positive things
> could occur on the planet, and the coming years would
> not be so difficult. but ra makes clear that the
> difficulty ahead of us will serve to polarize many to
> a state where they will be able to ascend. in
> essence, the most difficult, painful experiences have
> the most educational value. so why scheme to avoid
> them? since, from our viewpoint in 3d, everything is
> going to happen the way it needs to anyway, why not
> just concentrate on the basics personally, knowing
> that this world is, more or less, just a drama that
> has an end and a purpose?
>
> just adding a different slant to basically the same
> things you said.
>
> jeremy
>
>
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Jeremy Weiland · 02-18-2002, 08:53 AM

> but wouldnt it be nice if something positive occured
> rather than
> something negative? remember how in the film contact
> the people of
> the world polarized in leiu of the new information
> received from
> seti. why not something like that instead of some
> nasty violent world
> war or em weapon being used by china? (which
> currently seems farr
> fetched to me, the president of china is retiring
> next year and the
> main thing he wants as his legacy is improved
> relations with america)

but that's just it: it's not about what would be nice,
it's about what will help humanity grow the most. any
attempt to think about the world with another purpose
will automatically dispose you to confusion and fear.
remember what seth says: your base assumptions
determine your reality. are you a multidimensional
soul going through a brief evolutional experience in a
seemingly cold and repressed world, or are you a
mortal, impotent human doomed to a short, oppressed,
and fearful life and that's all there is to it? you
sense of identity will determine how you approach the
world. and that approach can imbue or strip your life
of meaning.

that's the point of us even being here. if all 6
billion of us suddenly grow up and choose to polarize,
then that would be wonderful, but not because there
would be peace on earth and justice and all that. it
would be wonderful because we stepped up our
consciousness to the next level. *that's* why we're
here.

the shift in consciousness can occur on a mass level,
but only voluntarily by each individual. that's why
the only way to achieve that new earth we dream about
is through our individual actions, not pining away for
a miracle (and i don't mean to be derogoratory,
because i understand where you're coming from and i
know the intense longing for justice and peace that
you feel, and i honor it).

> anyway, personally i think that if these higher
> beings would throw us
> a bone that would be something that not only would
> open peoples eyes,
> but be make front page news all over the world. i
> know i know..free
> will. they cant do what i am asking...but it would
> be interesting.

not only can't they do it, but to do it would run
entirely counter to the *entire* reason we're here in
this 3d situation on earth. all of us are in a unique
position to do some of the most intense growth
possible, not in spite of the negativity on this
planet, but because of it (caps for emphasis, not
shouting). to artificially quell the flames of unrest
and injustice here on earth would seem kind, but would
actually rob us of our greatest tool in personal
growth.

it really comes back to what the j-man said: will you
pile up your treasure on earth or in heaven? do you
put your value in this limited, vulnerable, 3d life,
or do you see your life as a means to an end in a
much greater scope of understanding and existence? if
you're only concerned about acheiving peace and
justice on this planet, you will be continually
disappointed *because this planet was not meant to be
peaceful or just*. nor would you have wanted it to be
so when you decided to incarnate here, as that would
have run entirely against the very advantage of the
veiled, 3d experience.

> how many people are really responsible for the
> actions of the insane
> men who run the worlds governments and wars? i cant
> believe we would
> all be lumped in with what amounts to a small
> percentage of the so
> called elite. all i know for sure is expect nothing
> from the ones
> running things. they will definitely make things
> worse in the coming
> years. look at their track record. as far as saying
> "we" vote self
> serving leaders into office...50% of americans dont
> vote! they know
> the politicians are corrupt and lost interest in
> participating.

i am a pretty political person, and i strongly believe
that i live in a corrupt society. yet being aware of
the injustice of our society has only allowed me to
benefit more from dealing with it. although i
continue to advance what i believe are more just
political ideas, i am eager to understand what i
preincarnatively set out before myself to learn.

> maybe the positive event i hope will occur will be
> the shift in
> consciouness on a planetary level. this would not
> require any
> outside "interference." but...based on the concept
> of free will, how
> can it be permitted that a few thousand people
> meditating could shift
> the rest to the higher consciounsess. the other
> millions may not want
> it! will they just die?

it all makes sense when you realize that consciousness
is also a function of vibration, of energy. people
existing in a non-polarized, but extremely close to
polarized, state could be "pushed over the edge" so to
speak by the energetic work of a relative few coupled
with the ratchetting up of energy that will occur at
the critical moment of ascension or whatever. and
polarization is the purpose of 3d life, according to
ra.

it's also entirely possible that most people will not
be able to polarize sufficiently. in that case, what
is in their best interest (repeat of 3d) will occur.
sometimes i think we treat non-ascension with the same
fear and contempt as "going to hell." it's not even
close to the same thing. the universe is much more
nuturing and safe than we give it credit.

> perhaps the idea of a
> massive change in
> consciousness wont be allowed due to its infringment
> on the rest who
> arent interested. i hope things will be clearer as
> the clock ticks
> along...sooner rather than later.

the only way a person could be affected by the rise in
energy that would accompany an ascension event would
be to, of his or her free will, allow it to affect
them. i'm sure there will be quite a great number of
people who will fight the energetic shift tooth and
nail.

in conclusion, just keep in mind that there is so much
more going on behind the scenes in this world that the
impulse to fear and repression is purely educational
and ultimately harmless, and almost superficial, if
your end goal is soul evolution and not neccessarily
the comfort of the 3d body.

hope this helps! take care.

jeremy

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jgernat@... · 02-18-2002, 12:19 PM

peace, jason,

we are to encourage each other, so that more light bulbs are lighted!

the best way is positive ideas and thoughts. love is the opposite of fear.

fear cannot exist where love is. these are basic teachings of ra and the secret

societies. the mystery schools are based on this concept. unity and oneness.

affirmations and healings. all come from the same source. there is power that is

indescribable in this. we just have to change the way we think. we are the positive

secret society. because we choose to think positive thoughts and that gives us

power.

no greater love,

jane gernat
jgernat@aol.com

life is a circle

sirbiotech · 02-18-2002, 04:56 PM

jane...

"you are the positive secret society." ....that line really blew me
away. whats the saying, a light just turned on in my head.
illuminating thought. thank you for your insight.

jason

--- in asc2k@y..., jgernat@a... wrote:
> hello all,
>
> my first post. ever.
> peace be unto you.
>
> the jest of ra material is oneness and unity.
>
> you are the positive secret society.
>
> wake up people. you are the ones to change the world!
>
> you are who you have been waiting for.
>
> i am honored always by your emails.
>
> no greater love,
>
> jane gernat
> jgernat@a...
> <a
href="http://hometown.aol.com/jgernat/myhomepage/faith.html">life is
a circle</a>

Tiffani Boswell · 02-20-2002, 03:18 PM

> jeremy said:

> also, the planet is in a sad state right now, yes.
> there is much negativity on the planet. but that is
> also one of the greatest catalysts for polarization.
> we came to 3d knowing that it was going to be a huge
> challenge, that there was going to be immense
> suffering and inequity. but there is hidden truth in
> what on the surface looks like mere cruelty and
> recklessness. there is so much to learn about our
> nature and that of the creator in the darkest pits.

yes...i was just reading this morning this quote from the arcturian book "
god is love and goodness, everywhere, everything, and the all. any conflict
one perceives on the lower vibrational frequencies is a perception of the
human condition. in these perceptions, humans do not learn of the goodness,
but they will use their perceptions to understand their concept of
evil.....through the completion of the so-called evil acts, one learns how
to raise his or her own soul's vibration. if, on the earth plane, this
duality (again this week!) did not exist, there would be little substance to
the curriculum."..."when a soul transcends this curriculum and can see the
goodness of god in all , and the work of god, then that soul is ready for
higher dimenstions, for teh earth plane is no longer a challenge"

if i understood you right, jeremy, that is what you were saying, in
essence...but to get to a place where this plane is not a challenge...seems
so far away for me... at the same time things that normally make other
people "feel" do not make me "feel" the way they would..does anyone else
experience this...so yes i am moved by some things...to cry, laugh,
etc...and definitely can get upset....but the "typical" things, i have been
called cold...etc...but i actually really do wonder how to "feel" those
things sometimes ... does that make sense...i don't know if that makes me
more towards my goal or less....

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Jeremy Weiland · 02-21-2002, 02:30 PM

> if i understood you right, jeremy, that is what you
> were saying, in
> essence...but to get to a place where this plane is
> not a challenge... seems so far away for me...

but if it were not a challenge, you wouldn't need to
be here. by being challenged, you are advancing the
growth of your soul. i know what you mean: you want
to be done being challenged and made to suffer and you
want to "be there" already... i too think this
sometimes...

all i can say is that, if you can enlargen the scope
of your awareness, not any metaphysical awareness
neccessarily, but just your general awareness, to
include not this life but the journey of your soul,
and the fact that this life is a means to that end, it
makes it a little easier. i think other people call
it "faith" :-)

> at the same time things that
> normally make other
> people "feel" do not make me "feel" the way they
> would..does anyone else
> experience this...so yes i am moved by some
> things...to cry, laugh,
> etc...and definitely can get upset....but the
> "typical" things, i have been
> called cold...etc...but i actually really do wonder
> how to "feel" those
> things sometimes ... does that make sense...

not really... in what situations do you consider
yourself unfeeling?

jeremy

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Sunny One · 02-22-2002, 12:59 PM

jeremy,
i've been to third world countries, in dirt filled
scum beriddled poverty stricken factories, and i've
experienced this repression.
is this the type of repression you are referring too?
pat

--- jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@...> wrote:
>
> in conclusion, just keep in mind that there is so
> much
> more going on behind the scenes in this world that
> the
> impulse to fear and repression is purely educational
> and ultimately harmless, and almost superficial, if
> your end goal is soul evolution and not neccessarily
> the comfort of the 3d body.
>
> hope this helps! take care.
>
> jeremy
>

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Jeremy Weiland · 02-22-2002, 01:19 PM

sure, why not?

--- sunny one <sol72us@...> wrote:
> jeremy,
> i've been to third world countries, in dirt filled
> scum beriddled poverty stricken factories, and i've
> experienced this repression.
> is this the type of repression you are referring
> too?
> pat
>
> --- jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > in conclusion, just keep in mind that there is so
> > much
> > more going on behind the scenes in this world that
> > the
> > impulse to fear and repression is purely
> educational
> > and ultimately harmless, and almost superficial,
> if
> > your end goal is soul evolution and not
> neccessarily
> > the comfort of the 3d body.
> >
> > hope this helps! take care.
> >
> > jeremy
> >
>
>
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