on being true to oneself

[Michael Abrient]

> this, of course, has a lot to do with the negative
> greetings and the entities behind them - and how they occasionally can get
> hold of a physical person enough to make them a relatively transparent
> window for their agenda - even to the point that this person does almost
> everything they request, on demand. this has been life!


when i was a kid my dad used to be a preacher at this church in south
london, england, where the congregation was mostly west indian and african,
sometime being right off the boat having left their families behind to move
to london. one young woman found christ, and decided she wanted to be
baptized. i remember listening to her talk to my dad that day, and she said
right until the minute she got baptized, she said it was like the devil had
a hold of her, and fought her kicking and screaming, from not wanting to let
her go. the week and a half leading up to that was just bizarrely unlucky
for her, just one ***n thing after the other. but after that... it was like
the clouds parted and things were fine.

jesus also said, "i come not to bring peace but a sword", and that brother
would turn against brother, and son against father, because of him. people
forget that part, sometimes... i mean if i were doing something wrong, i
would want someone to kick my **s and set me back on the straight and
narrow, but whatever.

too, the overwhelmth, the fear, comes from thinking you can be hurt. once
you remember you can't truly be harmed (i know it sounds like crazy talk
after hearing about someone with four iv's in their arm who didn't do
anything to deserve it), please realize it's only the devil (so to speak)
saber rattling, doing what mortal things it can to stop you, which only
escalates the cost of what you're trying to do and makes it even more
worthwhile and urgent to accomplish, in face of what you've already lost
trying to achieve its realization. if you lose someone climbing everest do
you stop or keep going? this project is so important. ha, but no pressure!
right??

don't look down.


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[Dave M.]

----- original message -----
from: "david wilcock" <djw333@...>
to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
sent: thursday, january 12, 2006 10:14 pm
subject: re: [asc2k] re: on being true to oneself


> >speaking to his mission and accomplishment is the higher road, whislt
> speaking to his personality the lower, thus missing the mark in entirety,
> and then to one that is "codependant" at that, presumes him a
> psychologically dysfunctional personality, and thus marginalizes deeply.
>
> where there is codependency, it must be understood, there exists as
> prerequisite heavy dysfunctional structure, first in childhood, child
> rearing, and deep family structure by definition, with an entire array of
> mother/father/family issues. is this a conversation we wish to engage in
> about the jesus mission/model? having this conversation about such a figure
> is absurd, deflects, and misses the point in totality.
>
> dw: ok... you guys have to be very careful in terms of reading in to this. i
> have already publicly retracted my statement that jesus was "codependent"
> because tobey wheelock found a quote that said that he expressed the
> perfection of fourth-density love.
>
> that being said, after doing over 500 clients, i have seen how this has been
> distorted into grotesquely self-martyring actions on behalf of many
> spiritually-inclined people. they have taken the core of something that was
> pure, when expressed in its highest sense as an offering of self to humanity
> in complete totality, and turned it into a personality characteristic that
> gives negatively-leaning people tons of room to control and manipulate them.
> they desperately, desperately need to evolve past the idea that
> self-martyrdom (4d) is the highest spiritual truth.
>
> i believe that jesus' mission was perfect for the time and place it was
> accomplished. i also believe that the consequences of that philosophy have
> knotted up the lives of many, many people. i am not without frustration
> myself, after seeing the desperate toll that years of codependent and
> self-sacrificing behavior had on me personally. i've only just recently
> become comfortable enough with myself, in the face of institutional
> opposition such as from the cayce organization, to actually do up those
> photographs that i've had available, in some form, to make comparison shots
> out of ever since i first learned about this in 1998.
>
> so to insert a personal bias here, since we always project, i am finally
> clawing my way clear of this intense bias that has subconsciously told me
> that i should "take care" of the people who don't want me to ever even
> mention this connection with cayce, or really even post to my website or do
> anything with my work. this, of course, has a lot to do with the negative
> greetings and the entities behind them - and how they occasionally can get
> hold of a physical person enough to make them a relatively transparent
> window for their agenda - even to the point that this person does almost
> everything they request, on demand. this has been life!

i also know that jesus is praying for your success, well-being and
enlightenment, as is ra, as are a
whole host of angelic-type entities and guides, as are most of the people on
this list - those you have
helped, and the gratitude sent from the future by all those looking back who
will be helped by you.

you have great gifts that you are sharing with the world, and along with these
gifts come great
challenges. you get a good deal of help from unseen forces, but as a
consequence, you incur unseen (to
some) obstacles.

by fretting over the negative greetings, you empower their source(s). what does
it matter what they
want? it is not your obligation or intent to please negative entities - is it?
if you fear them, you
give them the power they seek, and they will come back for more.

if you take to fighting them, you will draw their presence near: they love a
good fight. you may win an
occasional battle which will fuel your ego, but as long as your intent is to
fight them, there will
always be another battle...and another...and another after that.

you can not fight them and simultaneously be "fearlessly moving to an area [you]
might not really be
comfortable in" because you are fighting them due to your fear of them. the
negative greeting is
capable of conjuring fear which leaves the victim in that 2 choice mode of fight
or flight, but in
fearlessness neither of these 2 choices are seen as a viable option. by
becoming fearless you lose the
desire to fight (or avoid) them, and increase the desire for the opportunity to
teach them why it is
that the positive path is truly more effective, and consequently, why they're so
incredibly outnumbered
in the universe.

i have been going through many of the same things you have lately. the negative
greetings, the
productivity issues, etc., and it dawned on me while i was reading your post
that i have been reacting
to transient fears. thus i have been stuck trying to decide whether i should
fight them or avoid them -
either choice leads to further separation (away from oneness).

now, i'm not so delusional as to think that i have anywhere near the same
potential to increase the
harvest as you, but i do what i can, when i can, in my own little way. so maybe
my lessons are less
intense than yours because i don't have the added karmic responsibility. yet
the obstacles and
solutions are similar. i just have more time to work on them with less at
stake, and with a
correspondingly reduced tendency to feel guilty if i do get side-tracked from my
external work.

> so there is no question that the work i do for the website and for humanity
> is also work for myself... if i neglect my work, my mission, then maybe i'm
> doing all this great process work on myself and uncovering blockages and
> healing them, but in the process i only learn, not really teaching, and i
> don't know how much value there is in that.

i think there is an enormous value in that. the more you heal yourself, the
more you are able to help
otherselves heal, and the more productive you will become. it may not seem like
you will be more
productive because you are expending time and energy into something other than
your work; but the more
you heal self, the more lucid you become, and thus you will be more efficient
and insightful in your
work.

i think it's important to find a balance between internal and external work.
both are important, and
they feed off of each other. neglect one, and the other one suffers. you seem
to have been neglecting
the external work, but in our society it is usually the internal work that gets
the boot. we are so
conditioned to think that our worth is contingent only upon our productivity.
dem' n!gg3r$ ain't wert a
$h!t if dey ain't pick'n da' cotten!

so by all means do the external work that you're here to do, but do it without
neglecting the internal
work. don't use your work as a weapon to sleigh dragons, but do it to bring
oneness. i know this is
your deepest intention, but dem' fight'n words are powerful and can knock you
off track just as easily
as avoidance.

l&l, dave

[Mary Bearce]

as i read your post last night the song "lean on me" started running through
my head:

sometimes in our lives, we all have pain, we all have sorrow . . .
but if we are wise, we know that there's always tomorrow . . .
lean on me, when you're not strong, and i'll be your friend, i'll help you
carry on . . .
for it won't be long til i'm gonna need somebody to lean on.

i thought it was a little silly, but that happens to me a lot, it's almost
like my life has a soundtrack in my head. lol however, then i went and
turned on the tv, leno was on and they cut to a commercial - and the tonight
show band started playing that song!!! i thought that was too much of a
"coincidence" not to share, maybe that is something you need to hear right
now?

i'm glad you have the list to vent to a little about all the crappy stuff
that's going on in your life right now! and you are right, you've got to
turn this negative thinking around, difficult tho it may be, and get after
it. i have been going through the same thing, though perhaps not on the
same scale, but feeling blocked at every turn. yesterday something happened
that put me in a very fearful place, and i ended up getting nothing on my
ever growing to-do list done. :-( however, i see now that i made some
progress in another part of my life - instead of having an anger reaction, i
was only worried. when i confronted the problem, it was not as bad as i
thought it was. had i reacted out of anger it would have made the situation
much worse. my point is, i wasn't doing what i'd planned, but i was making
some progress in another, much needed, area of my life. perhaps you are
doing the same?

i had a situation once very similar to what you are going through with
sprint. i could not afford an attorney and felt very harrassed. i would
call the company that said i owed them money (which i did not, it was an
error on their part) and they would tell me they sold my account to a
collection agency and i had to deal with them. i'd call the collection
agency and they'd tell me that all they knew was i'd better pay up! i was
getting calls from these people day and night and at one point actually
ended up screaming on the phone to one particularly nasty woman that i
didn't owe them any d*mn money and to leave me alone! i realized that
dealing with the collection agency was getting me nowhere, so i directed my
attention to the company that turned me in. i called them every day,
complaining about my situation and i always got "sorry, there's nothing i
can do" until one day i spoke with a wonderful woman who was sympathetic and
erased the debt, called off the "dogs", and sent a letter to the credit
reporting agencies and myself stating that it had been an error. but, i'm
not kidding, it took almost a year to resolve this completely, it was only
the last few weeks that i called them constantly though! i've begun to feel
that our credit based system is a huge negative greeting for the
country/world, as we become dependent on an arbitrary system which mostly
serves to enslave and intimidate us. i know you try not to get sucked into
that, however, it seems that it's come to you anyway! sorry bout that . . .
but it happens too often. i have a very good friend of mine who is a victim
of identity theft - he didn't find out until he tried to buy a house. now
it's a year later and it's still not sorted out.

but, chin up, :-), many of us are trying to send as much love/light to you
as we can. what you are doing is important, but it can only progress at the
rate that it does. perseverence and patience . . . i think that is the key.
oh, and btw, getting those pictures up was a very positive thing. as i
posted before i was trying to show my son the similarity between you and
cayce and ta-da, there it was. nice. he was impressed! but i stressed to
him that what is important about you is not that you were once cayce, but
who you are and what you are doing now. i hope you know that we do not
overlook that.

mary


----- original message -----
from: "david wilcock" <djw333@...>
to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
sent: thursday, january 12, 2006 8:14 pm
subject: re: [asc2k] re: on being true to oneself



>
> so in a sense i have been self-martyring by not doing my work to the
> capacity that i could have done it, out of a sense that if i don't try
> very
> hard, the negative greetings won't hit me as hard. my dream this morning
> put
> this all in perspective and it starts to make me wonder if i've got it all
> backwards. if i trusted more of what the readings actually said, and tried
> to use these greetings as inspiration more than knocking me down, then i
> might actually become far more productive and not feel so under the
> weather,
> and they might actually happen less often. yet it is exhausting.
>
> so there is no question that the work i do for the website and for
> humanity
> is also work for myself... if i neglect my work, my mission, then maybe
> i'm
> doing all this great process work on myself and uncovering blockages and
> healing them, but in the process i only learn, not really teaching, and i
> don't know how much value there is in that. so i see that i must "serve
> myself" and not be a martyr, not turn the other cheek but fight back...
> fight back with new articles, finishing the book, learning and composing
> music, making more mp3s for the archive, fearlessly moving to an area i
> might not really be comfortable in, and getting this to happen.
>
> yeah, it sucks... but you press on. that's what i have had to learn to do.
> after enough repetition you can find a way to enjoy yourself in the midst
> of
> massively pushing yourself far beyond any sense of your own limitations -
> doing things that would have been unthinkable to the person you were five
> years, one year, even six months ago.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
>
>

[Monica Leal]

whoa, dave, i was thoroughly enjoying your very insightful post until
i got to this part. racist comments, no matter how 'funny' you may
think they are, have no place in modern society and certainly no place
in this forum. i will assume that this was just a thoughtless
oversight that slipped thru. fyi, this is highly offensive.

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "dave m." <dmeye@p...> wrote:
dem' n!gg3r$ ain't wert a
> $h!t if dey ain't pick'n da' cotten!
>
>

[Dave M.]

hi monica, actually it was very well thought out, but not very well executed. i
am sorry if you were
offended. i was trying to draw a comparison between an old attitude and belief
system and our current
'voluntary' and hidden beliefs. obviously, i didn't do a good enough job of
getting my point across
with sarcasm (doesn't seem to translate well in email).

what i see is an unacknowledged acceptance of slavery for the masses. i
recently read an article about
the i-r-s targeting poor people who used the eic deduction. eic basically
allows a single mother to
come off of welfare and work a low wage job like mcd's to claim tax deductions
so they can live at a
similarly 'high' standard of living as when they were on welfare.

then you have the legal and illegal theft of customers by telephone co's, banks,
and credit card co's,
and others. all by the largest and wealthiest corporations that prey on the
poor and weak. as more and
more people work longer hours for less pay, the average job is becoming a means
to meet basic survival
needs. the only difference between this and slavery is you get to choose where
(to a limited degree)
your slave quarters will be, and you don't get beat physically. in most cases
you can afford to
purchase a tv and radio so you can continue to be further brainwashed.

you do, however, get shamed into exchanging your productivity/labor for basic
necessities. i'm not
saying that people shouldn't work, but the work that many people do doesn't
enrichen life for humanity,
and in some cases it is detrimental. yet, it is ok in this society as long as
you are work'n for the
man and making money.

also, this cotton pick'n racial slavery still exists today. if you don't
believe me, just take a close
look at our prison system and at what has transpired in many african nations.
then take a look at how
the hurricane katrina victims were treated, especially the poor blacks. yes,
it's politically incorrect
to utter the words i expressed today, but the actions of many who are in power
suggest that the concept,
although hidden, is still alive and condoned. it is my (somewhat) comedic
nature to expose attitudes
prevalent that are taboo from popular discussion.

l&l, dave



----- original message -----
from: "monica leal" <lealdragon>

> whoa, dave, i was thoroughly enjoying your very insightful post until
> i got to this part. racist comments, no matter how 'funny' you may
> think they are, have no place in modern society and certainly no place
> in this forum. i will assume that this was just a thoughtless
> oversight that slipped thru. fyi, this is highly offensive.
>
> --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "dave m." <dmeye@p...> wrote:
> dem' n!gg3r$ ain't wert a
>> $h!t if dey ain't pick'n da' cotten!
>>

[Monica Leal]

thanks for the explanation. it did indeed make your point quite well,
but not so in your first post. may i suggest avoiding such terminology
as there is likely a way to make the point without resorting to such
offensive language.

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "dave m." <dmeye@p...> wrote:
>
> hi monica, actually it was very well thought out, but not very well
executed. i am sorry if you were
> offended. i was trying to draw a comparison between an old attitude
and belief system and our current
> 'voluntary' and hidden beliefs. obviously, i didn't do a good
enough job of getting my point across
> with sarcasm

[E. Drake]

david wilcock <djw333@...> wrote:

<snip> dw: "i have already publicly retracted my statement that jesus was
"codependent"
<snip> dw: "i believe that jesus' mission was perfect for the time and place
it was accomplished."
__________________________________
drake: i must publicly acknowledge david grandly in his retraction/correction
of the jesus entity, as not only "not being codependent", but also definitively
as being "an accomplished soul" in his "perfected mission", as noted
specifically in the ra sessions, pointed out ever so diligently by toby, clearly
a true student, seeker, and questioner holding fast to the ra material as our
best source to truth and guidepost. kudos to toby.

retractions and admissions of error are a hallmark sign of good academia, as
well as the elegance of spirit. any reputable source, such as credible
newspaper, television broadcast, or any true and real group, and/or individual,
engages in this manner of professionalism. it requires first and foremost the
commitment to "a material" and then "a goal of proficiency", in this case the
"the ra material", as is the case in any good science, or any worthy academic
pursuit. it requires also the development of deeper spirit, and the willingness
to go ever deeper yet in the case of esoterica. bravo again david.

as david has pointed out, he and i have a long history behind the scenes. we
have written privately to one another extensively on certain points of topic,
having nothing to do with personality, but everything to do with philosophical
thought, concept and source, primarily involving my taking to task what i see as
"certain interpretations" of the ra material, as did toby more recently.

this is a good thing brothers. not a bad thing. suggesting that such a thing
is comparable, in either toby's case, or my own, or any willing seeker and
member of asc2k, as being a "negative greeting" is outlandish, preposterous, and
small. this is as absurd as was mccarthyism(the use of unfair accusatory
methods in order to suppress opposition) holding that if one didn't stand with
him then one stood against him, and ipso facto, one must be communist.

the inherent right to voice differing opinion or to cast a view or vote of
dissension is a daily occurrence in the halls of academia, as well as in a
democratic process such as the house or senate, and is as a result considered
good form. very good form indeed. the best and the healthiest. this is in fact
prerequisite in a free political system, as much as it is prerequisite in a
free and healthy academic institution, much less a free and healthy mind.
imagine each time one were to raise a question, to self or other self, or offer
differing opinion in such higher settings, and being met as a result with the
suggestion of this necessary prerequisite as being negative greeting ?

goodness. it is the antithesis of negative greeting. it is healthy. negative
greeting is not. it forces growth, examination, change. it is as necessary to
the ability to "free think" , as it is to higher developmental function,
individually as well as within society. one who can not engage in this ability
internally within himself is stuck, as surely as is a group or society that can
not engage in this as a whole. one needs but examine the history of the world
and free nation states as compared to those that are not to see the evidence.
one needs but examine the annals of the psychiatrists records of patients, as
much as the records of closed cultures that are unable or restricted in the
ability to perform in this function, as compared to those that are not.

what then would it say about us (asc2k) who promote as an agenda a higher
realm and higher order, and strive for a higher way of being, but are not able
to function in this ability?

it is absolute prerequisite, i dare say, even to the original logos creator
itself, by the very instigation/creation in the capacity of free choice to his
creation, i.e. us/him/it to engage in this. that is why this this has been
created for our benifit. can we not agree on this? it is necessary and good, and
proper. it is not negative greeting.

please let us stop bandying this misnomer of negative greeting about so
frivolously. this is not at all what ra was speaking to by the term negative
greeting.

this interpretation to the ra material with respect to negative greeting is
disheartening and truly once again bends this wonderful source of ra out of
context. please. we are much further along the path than this. ra was delivering
to us a method of "empowering ourselves" individually, not a method or tool with
which to "judge otherselves."


i shall speak here now rather pointedly , but by example only. let us see if
dave m may stand the test and allow the example, as a demonstration only, if i
may, of this symptom: dave m writes:

"dave m." <dmeye@...> wrote:
<snip> "by fretting over the negative greetings, you empower their source(s).
what does it matter what they want?"
<snip> "if you take to fighting them, you will draw their presence near: they
love a good fight."

drake: the material (ra)is what has brought us together as seekers. the
material, or should i say "our interpretations" of it, must ever be tweaked,
jointly so, and called into question vigilantly, lest we allow anyone of us to
loose our way. if but only one were lost, adrift, or astray in interpretation,
would it not subtract from the whole? we're in this together. then allow me to
call you "dave m" , gently back to the fold and to a more centered position, for
all of our sakes. we are all one. if one is adrift, we are all responsible in
service to others, are we not?

if we are to band together as an experimental group in consciousness, and the
unfolding of spirit, it is incumbent on all of us to call into question a fellow
wanderers 'wandering off' the mark, as it were, in interpretation, in the effort
to realign the message in the heart and mind of this seeker once again, as
though recalibrating and setting a brother's compass straight. a simple enough
task...if graciously allowed. ra themselves did so repeatedly for elkin's in
sessions, as ra did even to themselves, in ever correcting. elkins even needed
to correct ra in numerous misstatements and misinterpretations, and on more than
a few occasions. imagine ra protesting this, or construing this correction,
realignment, and recalibration as negative greeting?


again bravo to david. one of our mirrors here may actually lie within the
asc2k as a means of opening us more yet. the meeting of self through other self
in open challenged dialog of interpretation, information, and the exchange of,
is an act of love and recalibration to a correction in misinterpretation, be it
of a personal bias or just plain incorrect.

this, good brothers, must not in any manner be allowed to be misconstrued or
falsely labeled as "negative greeting". far from it. correction and exchanging
freely in free thought, dialog, and exchange, is a tremendous growth opportunity
to unfold ever so gracefully and graciously into corrected knowledge of a most
complex teaching. good heavens, i would argue to the contrary that allowing the
known misinterpretation to stand, whilst sitting quietly at idle in the
knowledge of the incorrectness would be a greater sin of omission, and by far a
greater negative allowance to my brother, thus allowing a fellow pilgrim to
stumble aimlessly off into the dark and off the path without so much as a gentle
loving nudge to be set straight again. how cold this would be.

as freud said: "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" . sometimes a correction is
just a correction. it is quite a good thing. not a negative greeting.

interpreting loving correction into negative greeting makes every mother with
child a horror, as it does every leader, brother, statesman, priest, neighbor,
and loving friend. we must be better than this. we must allow correction. we
must in fact seek it. we must be more on guard in our interpretations.

now to a better dialog. what is negative greeting?

i dare say it is almost always glaringly self evident. i can only ever even
remember one single mention of one single individual who clearly ever offered
anything close to resembling negative greeting, and this was long ago. his name,
as memory serves, seems to be malail. his was in no manner an attempt to nudge,
question, challenge, or correct. his was self evident and willful disruption.

other than this one single example, and it was before my time, i can think of
no single member ever offering true negative greeting to anyone ever posting. is
negative greeting not more to the point mentioned in the ra material as one of
5th density attempting to usurp polarity from 3rd at great great and foolheardy
risk to themselves in the case of the l/l group of carla et al? is such risk
inherent in 3d? i think not. can negative greeting be truly as instigated by a
puny 3d brother to another puny 3d brother in as much as 3d has yet even
acquired sufficient spiritual mass to crawl up and out of himself much less to
usurp anothers polarity?

3d might either choose to serve or manipulate another, and this in and of
itself is an enormous task for 3d to the point of 51%. this in fact is his
life's task. period. 3d seems more by definition engaged in identifying himself
first as either sto or sts in order to acquire enough spiritual mass to cut a
path. this seems to be difficult enough for the 3d entity to accomplish in an
entire lifetime, thus sending him back many lifetimes enough to accomplish just
this...51% sto or 51% sts, and this certainly long before the powerful self
aware ability to depolarize another.

my question then is this:

is not negative greeting defined as part and parcel part of the attempt to
depolarize another self on the sto path?

this being so, could one make the claim that a puny 3d entity engaging another
puny 3d entity is even close to this power? i suggest that entanglement and
confusion is just simply the way 3d looks like. i suggest that 3d has yet
aquired enough spiritual mass to even yet ignite its own flame, much less the
ability to stamp out anothers or steal it.

i eagerly await the exchange of this, a higher dialog, in:

what is negative greeting?

faithfully,

drake











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[bjorn_nitmou]

i admit to being easily confused by this particular subject, nonetheless ill
through in my 2
cents.

didn't ra accrue negative karma from handing over technology that was
manipulated for
negative purposes? would jesus at least have some connection or responsibility
to what
was created in his name. ra never for-saw any of the negative things that would
happen
by introducing this technology just as jesus never foresaw his teachings being
manipulated to control people.

also, is the general lo1 conclusion that jesus definitely died and never went on
to have
kids and all that jazz? also, what about the fact that he basically came back
anyway. how
do you teach all the resurrection stuff if you never die. so that seems like a
huge lesson.
on the other hand maybe jesus is also a little bit responsible for being a
"martyr role-
model." maybe he should have known that people could totally misconstrue his
message.
for example in the movie "jesus chain-saw massacre" mell gibson clearly has a
love affair
with being a tough guy and taking a bloody beat down and dying for a cause. he
uses that
theme in other movies as well. fact is people love being a bad-ass martyr. its
cool. im
not saying its the same thing as being a suicide bomber but its in the same
category to an
extent.

hey, in not dogging jesus, but whose to say he wont choose to wander again back
to 3d
and choose not to be a martyr in another life, and maybe even stick around as
long as he
can to make sure his teachings are not misconstrued. maybe acim is part of his
karma. i
apologize for speculating out of no where, and for rambling.


--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "monica leal" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
>
> i would say that it was not jesus' actions, but the actions of the
> churches built in his name, that caused the distortions and
> negativity. it is not the following of jesus' teachings and example
> that have 'knotted people up' but the following of the church leaders
> and of the wrathful, vengeance-filled, elitist old testament.
>
> as marion zimmer bradley said in 'the mists of avalon': "i have no
> quarrel with the christ; only with his priests."
>
> --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "david wilcock" <djw333@i...> wrote:
>
> > ...have already publicly retracted my statement that jesus was
> "codependent"
> > because tobey wheelock found a quote that said that he expressed the
> > perfection of fourth-density love.
> >
> > ...has been
> > distorted into grotesquely self-martyring actions on behalf of many
> > spiritually-inclined people. ...
> > i believe that jesus' mission was perfect for the time and place it was
> > accomplished. i also believe that the consequences of that
> philosophy have
> > knotted up the lives of many, many people.
>

[Monica Leal]

well said, drake! and i shall start here with a minor correction: the
requirement for sts harvest is 90%, not 51% as is the case with sto.

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "e. drake" <truelyndeeply@y...> wrote:
...51% sto or 51% sts,

[bjorn_nitmou]

i cant point to any one example in the lo1 readings, but, is it posible for
these 5d negative
entities to work through 3d entities other than the one which they wish to
depolarize?
one type of negative greating from a 5d entity is offering temptation in order
to de-
polarize a 3d entity.

to my knowlege i dont know if the readings actually give an example of how any
member
of the group was tempted. that said, can the 5d negative entity only effect the
3d person
they are trying to depolarize, or can the 5d entity in some way manipulate a
situation in
order to present the 3d entity with said temptation?

for example, if the 5d entity is trying to tempt the 3d entity with drugs or
alcohol, does
the 5d entity effect just the 3d entities urges, or can the 5d entity cause an
old drinking
budy to show up at your door with a bottle??

an example involving david or this list might be a disgruntled member of this
list who is
just sitting back, steaming in anger over something that was said. then a 5d
entity that
wants to negatively greet this list or david, then tempts the individual to act
upon that
anger by sending a virus or manipulitive message to the group.

its a pretty deep subject really, so what exactly is possible? my hunch is not
to
underestimate how a higher density being can play a role in our lives.

i exepct mr. wilcock (if hes not too busy) might be able to shed some more light
on what
these entities are capable of.


__________________________________________________ _________________________
drake wrote> this being so, could one make the claim that a puny 3d entity
engaging
another puny 3d entity is even close to this power? i suggest that entanglement
and
confusion is just simply the way 3d looks like. i suggest that 3d has yet
aquired enough
spiritual mass to even yet ignite its own flame, much less the ability to stamp
out anothers
or steal it.
>
> i eagerly await the exchange of this, a higher dialog, in:
>
> what is negative greeting?
>
> faithfully,
>
> drake
>