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  1. #21
    Michael Abrient Guest

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    > this, of course, has a lot to do with the negative
    > greetings and the entities behind them - and how they occasionally can get
    > hold of a physical person enough to make them a relatively transparent
    > window for their agenda - even to the point that this person does almost
    > everything they request, on demand. this has been life!


    when i was a kid my dad used to be a preacher at this church in south
    london, england, where the congregation was mostly west indian and african,
    sometime being right off the boat having left their families behind to move
    to london. one young woman found christ, and decided she wanted to be
    baptized. i remember listening to her talk to my dad that day, and she said
    right until the minute she got baptized, she said it was like the devil had
    a hold of her, and fought her kicking and screaming, from not wanting to let
    her go. the week and a half leading up to that was just bizarrely unlucky
    for her, just one ***n thing after the other. but after that... it was like
    the clouds parted and things were fine.

    jesus also said, "i come not to bring peace but a sword", and that brother
    would turn against brother, and son against father, because of him. people
    forget that part, sometimes... i mean if i were doing something wrong, i
    would want someone to kick my **s and set me back on the straight and
    narrow, but whatever.

    too, the overwhelmth, the fear, comes from thinking you can be hurt. once
    you remember you can't truly be harmed (i know it sounds like crazy talk
    after hearing about someone with four iv's in their arm who didn't do
    anything to deserve it), please realize it's only the devil (so to speak)
    saber rattling, doing what mortal things it can to stop you, which only
    escalates the cost of what you're trying to do and makes it even more
    worthwhile and urgent to accomplish, in face of what you've already lost
    trying to achieve its realization. if you lose someone climbing everest do
    you stop or keep going? this project is so important. ha, but no pressure!
    right??

    don't look down.


    [non-text portions of this message have been removed]


  2. #22
    Dave M. Guest

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    ----- original message -----
    from: "david wilcock" <djw333@...>
    to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
    sent: thursday, january 12, 2006 10:14 pm
    subject: re: [asc2k] re: on being true to oneself


    > >speaking to his mission and accomplishment is the higher road, whislt
    > speaking to his personality the lower, thus missing the mark in entirety,
    > and then to one that is "codependant" at that, presumes him a
    > psychologically dysfunctional personality, and thus marginalizes deeply.
    >
    > where there is codependency, it must be understood, there exists as
    > prerequisite heavy dysfunctional structure, first in childhood, child
    > rearing, and deep family structure by definition, with an entire array of
    > mother/father/family issues. is this a conversation we wish to engage in
    > about the jesus mission/model? having this conversation about such a figure
    > is absurd, deflects, and misses the point in totality.
    >
    > dw: ok... you guys have to be very careful in terms of reading in to this. i
    > have already publicly retracted my statement that jesus was "codependent"
    > because tobey wheelock found a quote that said that he expressed the
    > perfection of fourth-density love.
    >
    > that being said, after doing over 500 clients, i have seen how this has been
    > distorted into grotesquely self-martyring actions on behalf of many
    > spiritually-inclined people. they have taken the core of something that was
    > pure, when expressed in its highest sense as an offering of self to humanity
    > in complete totality, and turned it into a personality characteristic that
    > gives negatively-leaning people tons of room to control and manipulate them.
    > they desperately, desperately need to evolve past the idea that
    > self-martyrdom (4d) is the highest spiritual truth.
    >
    > i believe that jesus' mission was perfect for the time and place it was
    > accomplished. i also believe that the consequences of that philosophy have
    > knotted up the lives of many, many people. i am not without frustration
    > myself, after seeing the desperate toll that years of codependent and
    > self-sacrificing behavior had on me personally. i've only just recently
    > become comfortable enough with myself, in the face of institutional
    > opposition such as from the cayce organization, to actually do up those
    > photographs that i've had available, in some form, to make comparison shots
    > out of ever since i first learned about this in 1998.
    >
    > so to insert a personal bias here, since we always project, i am finally
    > clawing my way clear of this intense bias that has subconsciously told me
    > that i should "take care" of the people who don't want me to ever even
    > mention this connection with cayce, or really even post to my website or do
    > anything with my work. this, of course, has a lot to do with the negative
    > greetings and the entities behind them - and how they occasionally can get
    > hold of a physical person enough to make them a relatively transparent
    > window for their agenda - even to the point that this person does almost
    > everything they request, on demand. this has been life!

    i also know that jesus is praying for your success, well-being and
    enlightenment, as is ra, as are a
    whole host of angelic-type entities and guides, as are most of the people on
    this list - those you have
    helped, and the gratitude sent from the future by all those looking back who
    will be helped by you.

    you have great gifts that you are sharing with the world, and along with these
    gifts come great
    challenges. you get a good deal of help from unseen forces, but as a
    consequence, you incur unseen (to
    some) obstacles.

    by fretting over the negative greetings, you empower their source(s). what does
    it matter what they
    want? it is not your obligation or intent to please negative entities - is it?
    if you fear them, you
    give them the power they seek, and they will come back for more.

    if you take to fighting them, you will draw their presence near: they love a
    good fight. you may win an
    occasional battle which will fuel your ego, but as long as your intent is to
    fight them, there will
    always be another battle...and another...and another after that.

    you can not fight them and simultaneously be "fearlessly moving to an area [you]
    might not really be
    comfortable in" because you are fighting them due to your fear of them. the
    negative greeting is
    capable of conjuring fear which leaves the victim in that 2 choice mode of fight
    or flight, but in
    fearlessness neither of these 2 choices are seen as a viable option. by
    becoming fearless you lose the
    desire to fight (or avoid) them, and increase the desire for the opportunity to
    teach them why it is
    that the positive path is truly more effective, and consequently, why they're so
    incredibly outnumbered
    in the universe.

    i have been going through many of the same things you have lately. the negative
    greetings, the
    productivity issues, etc., and it dawned on me while i was reading your post
    that i have been reacting
    to transient fears. thus i have been stuck trying to decide whether i should
    fight them or avoid them -
    either choice leads to further separation (away from oneness).

    now, i'm not so delusional as to think that i have anywhere near the same
    potential to increase the
    harvest as you, but i do what i can, when i can, in my own little way. so maybe
    my lessons are less
    intense than yours because i don't have the added karmic responsibility. yet
    the obstacles and
    solutions are similar. i just have more time to work on them with less at
    stake, and with a
    correspondingly reduced tendency to feel guilty if i do get side-tracked from my
    external work.

    > so there is no question that the work i do for the website and for humanity
    > is also work for myself... if i neglect my work, my mission, then maybe i'm
    > doing all this great process work on myself and uncovering blockages and
    > healing them, but in the process i only learn, not really teaching, and i
    > don't know how much value there is in that.

    i think there is an enormous value in that. the more you heal yourself, the
    more you are able to help
    otherselves heal, and the more productive you will become. it may not seem like
    you will be more
    productive because you are expending time and energy into something other than
    your work; but the more
    you heal self, the more lucid you become, and thus you will be more efficient
    and insightful in your
    work.

    i think it's important to find a balance between internal and external work.
    both are important, and
    they feed off of each other. neglect one, and the other one suffers. you seem
    to have been neglecting
    the external work, but in our society it is usually the internal work that gets
    the boot. we are so
    conditioned to think that our worth is contingent only upon our productivity.
    dem' n!gg3r$ ain't wert a
    $h!t if dey ain't pick'n da' cotten!

    so by all means do the external work that you're here to do, but do it without
    neglecting the internal
    work. don't use your work as a weapon to sleigh dragons, but do it to bring
    oneness. i know this is
    your deepest intention, but dem' fight'n words are powerful and can knock you
    off track just as easily
    as avoidance.

    l&l, dave


  3. #23
    Mary Bearce Guest

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    as i read your post last night the song "lean on me" started running through
    my head:

    sometimes in our lives, we all have pain, we all have sorrow . . .
    but if we are wise, we know that there's always tomorrow . . .
    lean on me, when you're not strong, and i'll be your friend, i'll help you
    carry on . . .
    for it won't be long til i'm gonna need somebody to lean on.

    i thought it was a little silly, but that happens to me a lot, it's almost
    like my life has a soundtrack in my head. lol however, then i went and
    turned on the tv, leno was on and they cut to a commercial - and the tonight
    show band started playing that song!!! i thought that was too much of a
    "coincidence" not to share, maybe that is something you need to hear right
    now?

    i'm glad you have the list to vent to a little about all the crappy stuff
    that's going on in your life right now! and you are right, you've got to
    turn this negative thinking around, difficult tho it may be, and get after
    it. i have been going through the same thing, though perhaps not on the
    same scale, but feeling blocked at every turn. yesterday something happened
    that put me in a very fearful place, and i ended up getting nothing on my
    ever growing to-do list done. :-( however, i see now that i made some
    progress in another part of my life - instead of having an anger reaction, i
    was only worried. when i confronted the problem, it was not as bad as i
    thought it was. had i reacted out of anger it would have made the situation
    much worse. my point is, i wasn't doing what i'd planned, but i was making
    some progress in another, much needed, area of my life. perhaps you are
    doing the same?

    i had a situation once very similar to what you are going through with
    sprint. i could not afford an attorney and felt very harrassed. i would
    call the company that said i owed them money (which i did not, it was an
    error on their part) and they would tell me they sold my account to a
    collection agency and i had to deal with them. i'd call the collection
    agency and they'd tell me that all they knew was i'd better pay up! i was
    getting calls from these people day and night and at one point actually
    ended up screaming on the phone to one particularly nasty woman that i
    didn't owe them any d*mn money and to leave me alone! i realized that
    dealing with the collection agency was getting me nowhere, so i directed my
    attention to the company that turned me in. i called them every day,
    complaining about my situation and i always got "sorry, there's nothing i
    can do" until one day i spoke with a wonderful woman who was sympathetic and
    erased the debt, called off the "dogs", and sent a letter to the credit
    reporting agencies and myself stating that it had been an error. but, i'm
    not kidding, it took almost a year to resolve this completely, it was only
    the last few weeks that i called them constantly though! i've begun to feel
    that our credit based system is a huge negative greeting for the
    country/world, as we become dependent on an arbitrary system which mostly
    serves to enslave and intimidate us. i know you try not to get sucked into
    that, however, it seems that it's come to you anyway! sorry bout that . . .
    but it happens too often. i have a very good friend of mine who is a victim
    of identity theft - he didn't find out until he tried to buy a house. now
    it's a year later and it's still not sorted out.

    but, chin up, :-), many of us are trying to send as much love/light to you
    as we can. what you are doing is important, but it can only progress at the
    rate that it does. perseverence and patience . . . i think that is the key.
    oh, and btw, getting those pictures up was a very positive thing. as i
    posted before i was trying to show my son the similarity between you and
    cayce and ta-da, there it was. nice. he was impressed! but i stressed to
    him that what is important about you is not that you were once cayce, but
    who you are and what you are doing now. i hope you know that we do not
    overlook that.

    mary


    ----- original message -----
    from: "david wilcock" <djw333@...>
    to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
    sent: thursday, january 12, 2006 8:14 pm
    subject: re: [asc2k] re: on being true to oneself



    >
    > so in a sense i have been self-martyring by not doing my work to the
    > capacity that i could have done it, out of a sense that if i don't try
    > very
    > hard, the negative greetings won't hit me as hard. my dream this morning
    > put
    > this all in perspective and it starts to make me wonder if i've got it all
    > backwards. if i trusted more of what the readings actually said, and tried
    > to use these greetings as inspiration more than knocking me down, then i
    > might actually become far more productive and not feel so under the
    > weather,
    > and they might actually happen less often. yet it is exhausting.
    >
    > so there is no question that the work i do for the website and for
    > humanity
    > is also work for myself... if i neglect my work, my mission, then maybe
    > i'm
    > doing all this great process work on myself and uncovering blockages and
    > healing them, but in the process i only learn, not really teaching, and i
    > don't know how much value there is in that. so i see that i must "serve
    > myself" and not be a martyr, not turn the other cheek but fight back...
    > fight back with new articles, finishing the book, learning and composing
    > music, making more mp3s for the archive, fearlessly moving to an area i
    > might not really be comfortable in, and getting this to happen.
    >
    > yeah, it sucks... but you press on. that's what i have had to learn to do.
    > after enough repetition you can find a way to enjoy yourself in the midst
    > of
    > massively pushing yourself far beyond any sense of your own limitations -
    > doing things that would have been unthinkable to the person you were five
    > years, one year, even six months ago.
    >
    > peace be with you -
    >
    > - david
    >
    >


  4. #24
    Monica Leal Guest

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    whoa, dave, i was thoroughly enjoying your very insightful post until
    i got to this part. racist comments, no matter how 'funny' you may
    think they are, have no place in modern society and certainly no place
    in this forum. i will assume that this was just a thoughtless
    oversight that slipped thru. fyi, this is highly offensive.

    --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "dave m." <dmeye@p...> wrote:
    dem' n!gg3r$ ain't wert a
    > $h!t if dey ain't pick'n da' cotten!
    >
    >


  5. #25
    Dave M. Guest

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    hi monica, actually it was very well thought out, but not very well executed. i
    am sorry if you were
    offended. i was trying to draw a comparison between an old attitude and belief
    system and our current
    'voluntary' and hidden beliefs. obviously, i didn't do a good enough job of
    getting my point across
    with sarcasm (doesn't seem to translate well in email).

    what i see is an unacknowledged acceptance of slavery for the masses. i
    recently read an article about
    the i-r-s targeting poor people who used the eic deduction. eic basically
    allows a single mother to
    come off of welfare and work a low wage job like mcd's to claim tax deductions
    so they can live at a
    similarly 'high' standard of living as when they were on welfare.

    then you have the legal and illegal theft of customers by telephone co's, banks,
    and credit card co's,
    and others. all by the largest and wealthiest corporations that prey on the
    poor and weak. as more and
    more people work longer hours for less pay, the average job is becoming a means
    to meet basic survival
    needs. the only difference between this and slavery is you get to choose where
    (to a limited degree)
    your slave quarters will be, and you don't get beat physically. in most cases
    you can afford to
    purchase a tv and radio so you can continue to be further brainwashed.

    you do, however, get shamed into exchanging your productivity/labor for basic
    necessities. i'm not
    saying that people shouldn't work, but the work that many people do doesn't
    enrichen life for humanity,
    and in some cases it is detrimental. yet, it is ok in this society as long as
    you are work'n for the
    man and making money.

    also, this cotton pick'n racial slavery still exists today. if you don't
    believe me, just take a close
    look at our prison system and at what has transpired in many african nations.
    then take a look at how
    the hurricane katrina victims were treated, especially the poor blacks. yes,
    it's politically incorrect
    to utter the words i expressed today, but the actions of many who are in power
    suggest that the concept,
    although hidden, is still alive and condoned. it is my (somewhat) comedic
    nature to expose attitudes
    prevalent that are taboo from popular discussion.

    l&l, dave



    ----- original message -----
    from: "monica leal" <lealdragon>

    > whoa, dave, i was thoroughly enjoying your very insightful post until
    > i got to this part. racist comments, no matter how 'funny' you may
    > think they are, have no place in modern society and certainly no place
    > in this forum. i will assume that this was just a thoughtless
    > oversight that slipped thru. fyi, this is highly offensive.
    >
    > --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "dave m." <dmeye@p...> wrote:
    > dem' n!gg3r$ ain't wert a
    >> $h!t if dey ain't pick'n da' cotten!
    >>


  6. #26
    Monica Leal Guest

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    thanks for the explanation. it did indeed make your point quite well,
    but not so in your first post. may i suggest avoiding such terminology
    as there is likely a way to make the point without resorting to such
    offensive language.

    --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "dave m." <dmeye@p...> wrote:
    >
    > hi monica, actually it was very well thought out, but not very well
    executed. i am sorry if you were
    > offended. i was trying to draw a comparison between an old attitude
    and belief system and our current
    > 'voluntary' and hidden beliefs. obviously, i didn't do a good
    enough job of getting my point across
    > with sarcasm


  7. #27
    E. Drake Guest

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    david wilcock <djw333@...> wrote:

    <snip> dw: "i have already publicly retracted my statement that jesus was
    "codependent"
    <snip> dw: "i believe that jesus' mission was perfect for the time and place
    it was accomplished."
    __________________________________
    drake: i must publicly acknowledge david grandly in his retraction/correction
    of the jesus entity, as not only "not being codependent", but also definitively
    as being "an accomplished soul" in his "perfected mission", as noted
    specifically in the ra sessions, pointed out ever so diligently by toby, clearly
    a true student, seeker, and questioner holding fast to the ra material as our
    best source to truth and guidepost. kudos to toby.

    retractions and admissions of error are a hallmark sign of good academia, as
    well as the elegance of spirit. any reputable source, such as credible
    newspaper, television broadcast, or any true and real group, and/or individual,
    engages in this manner of professionalism. it requires first and foremost the
    commitment to "a material" and then "a goal of proficiency", in this case the
    "the ra material", as is the case in any good science, or any worthy academic
    pursuit. it requires also the development of deeper spirit, and the willingness
    to go ever deeper yet in the case of esoterica. bravo again david.

    as david has pointed out, he and i have a long history behind the scenes. we
    have written privately to one another extensively on certain points of topic,
    having nothing to do with personality, but everything to do with philosophical
    thought, concept and source, primarily involving my taking to task what i see as
    "certain interpretations" of the ra material, as did toby more recently.

    this is a good thing brothers. not a bad thing. suggesting that such a thing
    is comparable, in either toby's case, or my own, or any willing seeker and
    member of asc2k, as being a "negative greeting" is outlandish, preposterous, and
    small. this is as absurd as was mccarthyism(the use of unfair accusatory
    methods in order to suppress opposition) holding that if one didn't stand with
    him then one stood against him, and ipso facto, one must be communist.

    the inherent right to voice differing opinion or to cast a view or vote of
    dissension is a daily occurrence in the halls of academia, as well as in a
    democratic process such as the house or senate, and is as a result considered
    good form. very good form indeed. the best and the healthiest. this is in fact
    prerequisite in a free political system, as much as it is prerequisite in a
    free and healthy academic institution, much less a free and healthy mind.
    imagine each time one were to raise a question, to self or other self, or offer
    differing opinion in such higher settings, and being met as a result with the
    suggestion of this necessary prerequisite as being negative greeting ?

    goodness. it is the antithesis of negative greeting. it is healthy. negative
    greeting is not. it forces growth, examination, change. it is as necessary to
    the ability to "free think" , as it is to higher developmental function,
    individually as well as within society. one who can not engage in this ability
    internally within himself is stuck, as surely as is a group or society that can
    not engage in this as a whole. one needs but examine the history of the world
    and free nation states as compared to those that are not to see the evidence.
    one needs but examine the annals of the psychiatrists records of patients, as
    much as the records of closed cultures that are unable or restricted in the
    ability to perform in this function, as compared to those that are not.

    what then would it say about us (asc2k) who promote as an agenda a higher
    realm and higher order, and strive for a higher way of being, but are not able
    to function in this ability?

    it is absolute prerequisite, i dare say, even to the original logos creator
    itself, by the very instigation/creation in the capacity of free choice to his
    creation, i.e. us/him/it to engage in this. that is why this this has been
    created for our benifit. can we not agree on this? it is necessary and good, and
    proper. it is not negative greeting.

    please let us stop bandying this misnomer of negative greeting about so
    frivolously. this is not at all what ra was speaking to by the term negative
    greeting.

    this interpretation to the ra material with respect to negative greeting is
    disheartening and truly once again bends this wonderful source of ra out of
    context. please. we are much further along the path than this. ra was delivering
    to us a method of "empowering ourselves" individually, not a method or tool with
    which to "judge otherselves."


    i shall speak here now rather pointedly , but by example only. let us see if
    dave m may stand the test and allow the example, as a demonstration only, if i
    may, of this symptom: dave m writes:

    "dave m." <dmeye@...> wrote:
    <snip> "by fretting over the negative greetings, you empower their source(s).
    what does it matter what they want?"
    <snip> "if you take to fighting them, you will draw their presence near: they
    love a good fight."

    drake: the material (ra)is what has brought us together as seekers. the
    material, or should i say "our interpretations" of it, must ever be tweaked,
    jointly so, and called into question vigilantly, lest we allow anyone of us to
    loose our way. if but only one were lost, adrift, or astray in interpretation,
    would it not subtract from the whole? we're in this together. then allow me to
    call you "dave m" , gently back to the fold and to a more centered position, for
    all of our sakes. we are all one. if one is adrift, we are all responsible in
    service to others, are we not?

    if we are to band together as an experimental group in consciousness, and the
    unfolding of spirit, it is incumbent on all of us to call into question a fellow
    wanderers 'wandering off' the mark, as it were, in interpretation, in the effort
    to realign the message in the heart and mind of this seeker once again, as
    though recalibrating and setting a brother's compass straight. a simple enough
    task...if graciously allowed. ra themselves did so repeatedly for elkin's in
    sessions, as ra did even to themselves, in ever correcting. elkins even needed
    to correct ra in numerous misstatements and misinterpretations, and on more than
    a few occasions. imagine ra protesting this, or construing this correction,
    realignment, and recalibration as negative greeting?


    again bravo to david. one of our mirrors here may actually lie within the
    asc2k as a means of opening us more yet. the meeting of self through other self
    in open challenged dialog of interpretation, information, and the exchange of,
    is an act of love and recalibration to a correction in misinterpretation, be it
    of a personal bias or just plain incorrect.

    this, good brothers, must not in any manner be allowed to be misconstrued or
    falsely labeled as "negative greeting". far from it. correction and exchanging
    freely in free thought, dialog, and exchange, is a tremendous growth opportunity
    to unfold ever so gracefully and graciously into corrected knowledge of a most
    complex teaching. good heavens, i would argue to the contrary that allowing the
    known misinterpretation to stand, whilst sitting quietly at idle in the
    knowledge of the incorrectness would be a greater sin of omission, and by far a
    greater negative allowance to my brother, thus allowing a fellow pilgrim to
    stumble aimlessly off into the dark and off the path without so much as a gentle
    loving nudge to be set straight again. how cold this would be.

    as freud said: "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" . sometimes a correction is
    just a correction. it is quite a good thing. not a negative greeting.

    interpreting loving correction into negative greeting makes every mother with
    child a horror, as it does every leader, brother, statesman, priest, neighbor,
    and loving friend. we must be better than this. we must allow correction. we
    must in fact seek it. we must be more on guard in our interpretations.

    now to a better dialog. what is negative greeting?

    i dare say it is almost always glaringly self evident. i can only ever even
    remember one single mention of one single individual who clearly ever offered
    anything close to resembling negative greeting, and this was long ago. his name,
    as memory serves, seems to be malail. his was in no manner an attempt to nudge,
    question, challenge, or correct. his was self evident and willful disruption.

    other than this one single example, and it was before my time, i can think of
    no single member ever offering true negative greeting to anyone ever posting. is
    negative greeting not more to the point mentioned in the ra material as one of
    5th density attempting to usurp polarity from 3rd at great great and foolheardy
    risk to themselves in the case of the l/l group of carla et al? is such risk
    inherent in 3d? i think not. can negative greeting be truly as instigated by a
    puny 3d brother to another puny 3d brother in as much as 3d has yet even
    acquired sufficient spiritual mass to crawl up and out of himself much less to
    usurp anothers polarity?

    3d might either choose to serve or manipulate another, and this in and of
    itself is an enormous task for 3d to the point of 51%. this in fact is his
    life's task. period. 3d seems more by definition engaged in identifying himself
    first as either sto or sts in order to acquire enough spiritual mass to cut a
    path. this seems to be difficult enough for the 3d entity to accomplish in an
    entire lifetime, thus sending him back many lifetimes enough to accomplish just
    this...51% sto or 51% sts, and this certainly long before the powerful self
    aware ability to depolarize another.

    my question then is this:

    is not negative greeting defined as part and parcel part of the attempt to
    depolarize another self on the sto path?

    this being so, could one make the claim that a puny 3d entity engaging another
    puny 3d entity is even close to this power? i suggest that entanglement and
    confusion is just simply the way 3d looks like. i suggest that 3d has yet
    aquired enough spiritual mass to even yet ignite its own flame, much less the
    ability to stamp out anothers or steal it.

    i eagerly await the exchange of this, a higher dialog, in:

    what is negative greeting?

    faithfully,

    drake











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  8. #28
    bjorn_nitmou Guest

    Default Re: on being true to oneself


    i admit to being easily confused by this particular subject, nonetheless ill
    through in my 2
    cents.

    didn't ra accrue negative karma from handing over technology that was
    manipulated for
    negative purposes? would jesus at least have some connection or responsibility
    to what
    was created in his name. ra never for-saw any of the negative things that would
    happen
    by introducing this technology just as jesus never foresaw his teachings being
    manipulated to control people.

    also, is the general lo1 conclusion that jesus definitely died and never went on
    to have
    kids and all that jazz? also, what about the fact that he basically came back
    anyway. how
    do you teach all the resurrection stuff if you never die. so that seems like a
    huge lesson.
    on the other hand maybe jesus is also a little bit responsible for being a
    "martyr role-
    model." maybe he should have known that people could totally misconstrue his
    message.
    for example in the movie "jesus chain-saw massacre" mell gibson clearly has a
    love affair
    with being a tough guy and taking a bloody beat down and dying for a cause. he
    uses that
    theme in other movies as well. fact is people love being a bad-ass martyr. its
    cool. im
    not saying its the same thing as being a suicide bomber but its in the same
    category to an
    extent.

    hey, in not dogging jesus, but whose to say he wont choose to wander again back
    to 3d
    and choose not to be a martyr in another life, and maybe even stick around as
    long as he
    can to make sure his teachings are not misconstrued. maybe acim is part of his
    karma. i
    apologize for speculating out of no where, and for rambling.


    --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "monica leal" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
    >
    > i would say that it was not jesus' actions, but the actions of the
    > churches built in his name, that caused the distortions and
    > negativity. it is not the following of jesus' teachings and example
    > that have 'knotted people up' but the following of the church leaders
    > and of the wrathful, vengeance-filled, elitist old testament.
    >
    > as marion zimmer bradley said in 'the mists of avalon': "i have no
    > quarrel with the christ; only with his priests."
    >
    > --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "david wilcock" <djw333@i...> wrote:
    >
    > > ...have already publicly retracted my statement that jesus was
    > "codependent"
    > > because tobey wheelock found a quote that said that he expressed the
    > > perfection of fourth-density love.
    > >
    > > ...has been
    > > distorted into grotesquely self-martyring actions on behalf of many
    > > spiritually-inclined people. ...
    > > i believe that jesus' mission was perfect for the time and place it was
    > > accomplished. i also believe that the consequences of that
    > philosophy have
    > > knotted up the lives of many, many people.
    >


  9. #29
    Monica Leal Guest

    Default Re: on being true to oneself


    well said, drake! and i shall start here with a minor correction: the
    requirement for sts harvest is 90%, not 51% as is the case with sto.

    --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "e. drake" <truelyndeeply@y...> wrote:
    ...51% sto or 51% sts,


  10. #30
    bjorn_nitmou Guest

    Default Re: on being true to oneself


    i cant point to any one example in the lo1 readings, but, is it posible for
    these 5d negative
    entities to work through 3d entities other than the one which they wish to
    depolarize?
    one type of negative greating from a 5d entity is offering temptation in order
    to de-
    polarize a 3d entity.

    to my knowlege i dont know if the readings actually give an example of how any
    member
    of the group was tempted. that said, can the 5d negative entity only effect the
    3d person
    they are trying to depolarize, or can the 5d entity in some way manipulate a
    situation in
    order to present the 3d entity with said temptation?

    for example, if the 5d entity is trying to tempt the 3d entity with drugs or
    alcohol, does
    the 5d entity effect just the 3d entities urges, or can the 5d entity cause an
    old drinking
    budy to show up at your door with a bottle??

    an example involving david or this list might be a disgruntled member of this
    list who is
    just sitting back, steaming in anger over something that was said. then a 5d
    entity that
    wants to negatively greet this list or david, then tempts the individual to act
    upon that
    anger by sending a virus or manipulitive message to the group.

    its a pretty deep subject really, so what exactly is possible? my hunch is not
    to
    underestimate how a higher density being can play a role in our lives.

    i exepct mr. wilcock (if hes not too busy) might be able to shed some more light
    on what
    these entities are capable of.


    __________________________________________________ _________________________
    drake wrote> this being so, could one make the claim that a puny 3d entity
    engaging
    another puny 3d entity is even close to this power? i suggest that entanglement
    and
    confusion is just simply the way 3d looks like. i suggest that 3d has yet
    aquired enough
    spiritual mass to even yet ignite its own flame, much less the ability to stamp
    out anothers
    or steal it.
    >
    > i eagerly await the exchange of this, a higher dialog, in:
    >
    > what is negative greeting?
    >
    > faithfully,
    >
    > drake
    >


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