on being true to oneself

[prrrba]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "david wilcock" <djw333@i...> wrote:

> it is interesting how much drake's prose reminds me of the wording
of the
> masonic rituals, which i have been reading as i work through
duncan's ritual
> monitor of freemasonry each night before bed.


thanks for mentioning as much, david. it's good to be aware of this
possibility. it's funny how often masonic references pop up in the
unlikeliest of places.

chris

[davidgvaldez]

dear, petrus
let me be the first to say that this post really made me understand
your situation and i would like to offer some positive thoughts.

1. it seems you've learned alot from when i first seen you post last
year. you sell yourself too short!, just remember we are all
teachers/students here and you have things to offer that people will
pay for. first off let me commend you in that!, you bring a
invaluable souce of information from some of the site's you've
presented to us all and i for "one" is truly greatful. thank you.

2. you've worked through a lot of your pain and it's really
beginning to show. your last couple of comments shows your growth
and you should take a new inventory of "sorts". this site is about
david's work and he's been a benefit to all of us and that's why we
are all here. i just see your improvement and it does show that
david's work is / has worked for you - i see the positive change in
you and again commend you.

now, my story if you would like to read it we can do that directly
through e-mai but in short i can possibly help you in the search for
employement. i'm a master instructional tutor and had to learn about
learning disorders and may be of some guidence in the respect to
getting you into finding a career/job. i would really like to help
if i can. i'm moving from being physically disabled in a way and
finding my new purposes. sto is my goal for this year.

what i see you may need is some encouragement, don't we all.
remember, some people don't even know how to start a computer. don't
sell yourself too short you could become a support tech? ... this
could pay the bills with some "green" to spare.

i don't want to go too off topic here so e-mail me in person if you
want some help in this area.

peace, and keep up your good work.

dave v.
sr. systems integrator / technical support
glory usa inc.





--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "petrus" <petrus4@t...> wrote:
>
> >kinds of essays i would go through) there would be the obligatory
> teary-eyed
> >"new promises" conversation.
>
> oh yes! we went through that.
>
.... other post * deleted for space....

> >poisoned into inactivity and ineffectual behavior by your zeal for
> ascension
> >and enlightenment. paradoxical, but true, in my holy
opinion.
>
> you're right. leaving amway caused me to develop the attitude
that even if
> i was dirt poor i could still be happy because at least i'd feel
that i was
> doing the right thing. i need to try and dump that as well.
>
> >and paying rent, joining 'the system.' yet my mother became so
abusive, in
> >not allowing me to stay home, that i felt i had no choice but to
leave. i
>
> well, that's another problem. i'm turning 29 in a month, and i've
got a 9th
> grade education and no prior employment experience. i've managed
to learn a
> lot of net and computer related stuff in the last ten years, but
it's all
> self-taught and informal...hence, the kind of stuff employers
couldn't care
> less about. anywayz, i'm going to have to figure it out.
>
> you've helped a lot.
>

[* Zia]

hi toby

dw:
if i had more time i would dig up the quote where it said that
martyrdom lacks wisdom because it removes further opportunities for
service. trust me, after counseling more than 500 paid clients and
performing readings, this has become perhaps the biggest problem with
wanderers today.

toby: found the quote, in session 75:
questioner: the chink then, as i understand it, was originally
created by the decision of jesus to take the path of martyrdom?
is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is, in relation to this instrument, quite
correct. it is aware of certain over-balances towards love, even
to martyrdom but has not yet, to any significant degree,
balanced these distortions. we do not imply that this course of
unbridled compassion has any fault but affirm its perfection. it
is an example of love which has served as beacon to many.

for those who seek further, the consequences of martyrdom must
be considered, for in martyrdom lies the end of the opportunity,
in the density of the martyr, to offer love and light. each
entity must seek its deepest path.

while i don't have david's experience with client readings, i can affirm
that the urge to martyrdom is one that must be carefully and prayerfully
evaluated, as ra suggests that jesus/jehoshuah himself did. in session 4,
ra said that part of learning to heal at this time on our planet is
learning "the balance between love and wisdom in the use of the body in
its natural functions." any time you're balancing love and wisdom,
you're probably not choosing martyrdom.

* i would offer another perspective here, because there are just sooo many
levels to what is given in the ra channelled information. from david's
comment: 'martyrdom lacks wisdom because it removes further opportunities
for service'; this seems rather odd, as jesus certainly demonstrated wisdom
in all of his teachings, with parables, sermon on the mount, his disciples,
etc. he also demonstrated such truths/wisdom of the abilities to overcome
time and space through disappearing, bio-location, transmutation of wine,
and healing to the degree of raising one from the dead, obviously a
precursor to his own chosen destiny on the cross. so what is meant by 'lacks
wisdom' especially if this is as jesus created this lifetime before coming
in?

to me, wisdom is the outcome of knowledge that comes directly of spirit/god,
providing an experience and that experience reasoned into wisdom, which is
certainly demonstrated in his life through parables, miracles, champion of
women etc.

from ra above: 'for in martyrdom lies the end of the opportunity, in the
density of the martyr, to offer love and light'

so perhaps david, your meaning here is that in removing further
opportunities for service, means having completed with martyrdom there is no
purpose to return and fulfill in 3d, and thus would jesus never return
because he has completed everything in 3d by that final act of martyrdom
(because there is no ongoing personality line in which jesus exists)? or
simply the ending of that lifetime in itself?

to me it would make sense, that once you ascend in completion in the
overcoming of 3d reality, simply by translating into light, or as jesus did
through martyrdom that laid down his physical body, which he then
resurrected and transmuted immediately (as it was free and clear) into a
light body, which he demonstrated to his disciples etc. that is a profound
demonstration of wisdom to me the knowledge that we can ascend, and the
experience that demonstrates the wisdom having been gained to do such an
act! yet it simply means he is no longer here in life expression and thus
capable of teaching and further demonstrating wisdom in a 'fulerl lifetime',
(since he left at 33).

perhaps martyrdom is but an extreme of sto and certainly not a requirement,
yet because of its extreme and the extreme conditions of his time, it has
lived on and been a profound 'mystery' and motivation to all initiates
irrespective of religious inclinations. in these times, the 'truth' of
jesus will be unveiled and the true marvel of his gift i believe,
understood. we must remember that in ra's teachings, there is such a
distillation to obtain a purity of perspective, that does not color our
understanding one way or the other, yet it might just seem a little 'dry'
regarding the true intent and execution of events, since ra himself is
always concerned at the misinterpretation of what is given. 'we do not imply
that this course of unbridled compassion has any fault but affirm its
perfection.' perhaps then the greatest point is that the life is cut short
and the opportunities for further teaching cease in martyrdom, which is
giving of one's life. yet that is a choice, and what is about to hit the
mainstream, is that jesus had a twin brother that went on to teach
throughout a long life, the mission of his brother and its understanding.

to the exciting times in which we live z

[E. Drake]

thank you toby, deeply for your input and research into the ra material towards
setting this martyrdom concept of jesus straight. it is critical that we as
students, and as a group in particular, continue in this effort jointly, of ever
aligning the information, for a greater understanding and clarity into the
subject material, lest we loose our way and begin wandering into a land of false
premise. this martyrdom concept is a critical point towards understanding that
of the jesus model, as it indeed is such a crucial and fundamental energy
within the judeo-christian-western mindset altogether, as though a "segregated
social memory complex/mentality" , if one may describe a ra concept thusly.

it would seem to follow logically, as in nature, much like that of organic
matter, or organisms themselves, that first there appears 'clusters of
organization', as in our cases, "thought/concept/teachings/understandings",
forming towards an organization of "thought/energy" as a foundation, before
there evolves a "unison/molding/all is one" social memory complex on a planetary
level. as such , the jesus model is paramount to, let us say, the christian
model, and more so, let us say, to the fundamentalist model, which most of us
have been encultured in, one way or another. but perhaps more so for us on the
path, given our responsibility, particularly when overlayed with this, our
enculturation, it is equally critical, if not more so, towards a larger unified
understanding as well.

too often it is too easy/difficult to assume an understanding of a particular
concept, less the material itself, quite as complex as the ra teachings are.
taking the material, and then superimposing ones individual interpretation of
it, or even owns individuated bias, is only human. thus speaking to the jesus
entity as "codependent" veers understanding deeply off, and into the realm of
even in fact a psychoanalysis or judgment, if you will, of this very special
entity, rather than to the grander and more important point of an accomplished
mission itself. the jesus entity accomplished it's goal as a prototype to be
sure, and a model more importantly, and a wayshower indeed, but perhaps more
critical to the converstaion, brought a gateway opening to 3d, which, although
might have been accomplished otherwise , and by an altogether different entity,
was nonetheless accomplished by jesus, and as consequence changed the course of
spiritual energetic evolution here in this 3d forevermore.

faithfully,

drake



tobey wheelock <asc2k@...> wrote:
on sun, jan 08, 2006 at 11:38:35pm -0500,

david wilcock wrote:

> you have very deep, subconscious judeo-christian biases that seem to take a
literal interpretation of jesus' way of martyrdom and turning the other cheek as
being the ultimate truth. again, though the reptilian brain may hiss in horror
at this law of one principle, jesus was basically said to have lacked wisdom in
his self-martyrdom. this was holding him back from being able to evolve into
fifth-density. i am not reading my own bias into the material here; that is what
it says.

toby:
this comment is much like another that was posted about a month ago: on fri,
dec 09, 2005 at 01:03:03pm -0500,

david wilcock wrote:
> 1. jesus being a 4d wanderer who was not quite able to let go of the
self-martyring / codependent aspects that would have allowed him to ascend to
fifth-density understanding.


toby: what i have found, instead, seems to affirm that jehoshuah/jesus completed
the task for which it/he incarnated (session 84), and that it/he is now in fifth
density (session 17).



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[Petrus]

>thank you toby, deeply for your input and research into the ra material
towards setting this martyrdom concept of jesus straight. it is critical
that we as

i tend to suspect that david has something of a desire to view jesus as
largely unremarkable, but i also believe said desire is actually based on
positive intent. i think (although i could be wrong here) that david's
belief is possibly that viewing jesus as remarkable unavoidably
feeds/reinforces the negative structure that has grown up around him. (ergo,
jesus the elitist/sts/enslaving religion, which states that jesus alone
could achieve the things he did, as opposed to jesus the sto *individual*,
who repeatedly stated that the rest of us were capable of what he did) if
we believe that jesus was unique, it fits in with the negative agenda of
institutional christianity that jesus as a single individual was able to do
what he did, and that the rest of us are therefore largely spiritually
powerless. hence, if we view jesus as essentially having been just another
guy, (albeit one considerably more spiritually mature than most of the rest
of us) we'll be more likely to be able to believe that we are capable of
reaching the same level of development eventually ourselves, and will also
be much less likely to fall into the trap of membership in the various
christian sts cults that exist these days. (and yes, the reptilian brain
did nearly go into siezures over me writing that last sentence, but i
somehow managed to get it out. *grins while experiencing nervous eye
twitch*)

the other issue of course is that if you view jesus as an avatar/corporeal
embodiment of god as a singular entity, (which i'll admit that in the past i
was prone to do...that was something that timothy leary in particular helped
me get past) that is also fundamentally incompatible with the law of one
which talks about each and every one of us being extensions of god.

although the bible records jesus as having said that he was the only way to
god, i've honestly found myself wondering whether he'd say such a thing...to
me that sounds extremely sts (am i using the term correctly here?) and more
like something the church as an institution would want people to believe.
one of the things i've primarily admired about jesus as a personality was
that he was extremely anti-hierarchical for the most part in terms of what
he is recorded to have said and felt.

[Theodore Pong]

hello petrus,

you say,

"although the bible records jesus as having said that he was the only way to
god, i've honestly found myself wondering whether he'd say such a thing...to
me that sounds extremely sts (am i using the term correctly here?) and more
like something the church as an institution would want people to believe.
one of the things i've primarily admired about jesus as a personality was
that he was extremely anti-hierarchical for the most part in terms of what
he is recorded to have said and felt."

i have often thought about the little passage in the bible, "i am the light
and the life and the way, no man cometh unto the father but by me."

i have also often thought that jesus had a pretty good sense of humor, and i
must relate just a short personal incident in real life that might give you food
for thought.

when i was in the army forty some years ago, my first sergeant, sgt dixon was
his name, told me a story, that when he was a young soldier, his commanding
officer liked to play a game with the troops on inspections.

this officer barked at the private standing next to dixon, "who is the world's
best soldier, private?" the game was the soldier was supposed to answer loud and
clear, "i am, sir." of course the scared little private whimpered, "i don't
know." so the officer turned to dixon and yelled the same question, and dixon of
course bawled out, "i am sir."

when the officer turned back to the scared little private, the private
whimpered out, "sgt dixon, sir."

maybe the christians have never gotten the point yet. i mean after all, he did
say, ". . . and greater works than these shall ye also do"


love and blessings,

theodore pong

[E. Drake]

petrus <petrus4@...> wrote: <snip> "i tend to suspect that david has
something of a desire to view jesus as largely unremarkable,"

<snip> "david's belief is possibly that viewing jesus as remarkable
unavoidably feeds/reinforces the negative structure that has grown up around
him. (ergo,
jesus the elitist/sts/enslaving religion, which states that jesus alone could
achieve the things he did, as opposed to jesus the sto *individual*,
who repeatedly stated that the rest of us were capable of what he did)"

drake: perhaps you may be right. perhaps david would disagree and speak
otherwise. i will not presume what i can not know. but to your opinion, the ra
material itself states rather openly,frankly,and clearly, in so many ways, that
the jesus entity was indeed remarkable. do we in truth, however, actually need
ra to educate us to a simple truth that is already self evident? with all due
respect,isn't it already blatantly self evident? but, be that as it may, ra
speaks to the jesus entity quite profoundly and quite elegantly.

now, as to your concerns expressed, in the presumption that they may be
david's, it must be said that the idolizing of the jesus model is an altogether
different proposition, as is idolatry in and of itself. but so is money, sex,
drugs, rock-n-roll, and the splitting of the atom. none of these are sts or sto.
they just are. it is the individual that chooses in will the sts or sto path,
not the subject, that makes it so. being concerned, as a fundamentalist would
be, of a subject or material, is not what we ascribe to here, thus it needn't be
of concern? we may speak then.

although he did pull off some pretty nifty tricks, jesus assigned to as the
"cosmic celebrity" status, of a fragment no less, of a particular church
consciousness, and one that attributes childish notions of superhuman powers of
omnipotence, omniscience, and a hollywood version of him as of a sylvester
stallone invincibility, etc,. etc., ad infinitum, is not of our conversations or
consciousness, thus again, needn't be held out as our concern. if it were, this
would not be a group effort towards an extended consciousness, and the attempt
to unfold, unfold, and unfold, as is presumably our prerequisite for being
students of the ra material? being such students, as we all presumably are here,
in search of the higher road, eliminates then the necessity of such
considerations.

we are not attempting the dialog or communication with a small strictured
church view of the belief structure of "christ, the son of god" , starring
"jesus ben joseph", coming to a theater near you, thus negating the necessity to
address the jesus model as though a "desire to view jesus as largely
unremarkable," or speaking to the (paraphrasing) "unavoidablity of
feeding/reinforcing the negative structure that has grown up around him."

let us assume we are much further along the path than this. thus we may speak
to the jesus model openly without the concerns of a church consciousness that
doesn't exist(here). if it did, i dare say we wouldn't be here?

to that end then, any member on asc2k needn't be concerned about the little
god/jesus strictured concept in consciousness that isn't there. there are no
boogey men under the bed. assuming we are in fact diligent students, we may then
address the remarkability without fear of reprisal or redress. in that light
then it is quite ok to be in admission that the good "mr. j.c." is indeed quite
a remarkable figure historically, culturally, and more in fact, spiritually.

although jesus may be a comic book character in certain sects of christianity,
and for the fundamentalist in particular, he cerationly is not one for all
christians, and he certainly isn't one for us, and therefore marginalizing him
and his mission goes in totality the other direction to the same mistake of the
fundamentalist thus running the same danger of placing this conversation too
without balance. speaking to his mission and accomplishment is the higher road,
whislt speaking to his personality the lower, thus missing the mark in entirety,
and then to one that is "codependant" at that, presumes him a psychologically
dysfunctional personality, and thus marginalizes deeply.

where there is codependency, it must be understood, there exists as
prerequisite heavy dysfunctional structure, first in childhood, child rearing,
and deep family structure by definition, with an entire array of
mother/father/family issues. is this a conversation we wish to engage in about
the jesus mission/model? having this conversation about such a figure is absurd,
deflects, and misses the point in totality. for the christian, the worshiping
of, in sincere spiritual heart, as the ra material condones, even to carla
herself repeatedly, and this openly in the sessions, is stated to be a good
thing, in as much as it simply works for her, as it might for anyone, and is a
far cry than is the fundamentalists concept of brad pitt as the "jesus
celebrity".

my point petrus is, that we needn't concern ourselves of this. aren't we so
much further down the road than jesus, the codependent, in need of jungian,
freudian, or dr. philian analysis, or god forbid, perhaps even a reading?








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[David Wilcock]

>speaking to his mission and accomplishment is the higher road, whislt
speaking to his personality the lower, thus missing the mark in entirety,
and then to one that is "codependant" at that, presumes him a
psychologically dysfunctional personality, and thus marginalizes deeply.

where there is codependency, it must be understood, there exists as
prerequisite heavy dysfunctional structure, first in childhood, child
rearing, and deep family structure by definition, with an entire array of
mother/father/family issues. is this a conversation we wish to engage in
about the jesus mission/model? having this conversation about such a figure
is absurd, deflects, and misses the point in totality.

dw: ok... you guys have to be very careful in terms of reading in to this. i
have already publicly retracted my statement that jesus was "codependent"
because tobey wheelock found a quote that said that he expressed the
perfection of fourth-density love.

that being said, after doing over 500 clients, i have seen how this has been
distorted into grotesquely self-martyring actions on behalf of many
spiritually-inclined people. they have taken the core of something that was
pure, when expressed in its highest sense as an offering of self to humanity
in complete totality, and turned it into a personality characteristic that
gives negatively-leaning people tons of room to control and manipulate them.
they desperately, desperately need to evolve past the idea that
self-martyrdom (4d) is the highest spiritual truth.

i believe that jesus' mission was perfect for the time and place it was
accomplished. i also believe that the consequences of that philosophy have
knotted up the lives of many, many people. i am not without frustration
myself, after seeing the desperate toll that years of codependent and
self-sacrificing behavior had on me personally. i've only just recently
become comfortable enough with myself, in the face of institutional
opposition such as from the cayce organization, to actually do up those
photographs that i've had available, in some form, to make comparison shots
out of ever since i first learned about this in 1998.

so to insert a personal bias here, since we always project, i am finally
clawing my way clear of this intense bias that has subconsciously told me
that i should "take care" of the people who don't want me to ever even
mention this connection with cayce, or really even post to my website or do
anything with my work. this, of course, has a lot to do with the negative
greetings and the entities behind them - and how they occasionally can get
hold of a physical person enough to make them a relatively transparent
window for their agenda - even to the point that this person does almost
everything they request, on demand. this has been life!

my producer is still in the hospital with four ivs in his arms. the estimate
for when he gets out keeps getting pushed ahead enough that i might still
see him there when i make my first flight out in another week and a half or
so. i have watched people i care about be nearly wiped out by negative
greeting. sabrina was almost killed. i almost was killed from the laceration
on glass.

on some level i am extremely well aware that these entities absolutely do
not want me to go forward. we have had enormous opposition towards getting
the film done, and now out of nowhere i've got the predatory phone calls
from sprint again. i guess i've been funky all day.

on the positive side, putting up the comparison photo article has increased
archive subscriptions - and i also listed my last keyboard on ebay and sold
it within one hour at my buy it now price. we have decided to take the film
in a novel direction that will be more like a docu-drama than a straight
documentary - think da vinci code meets convergence. i have elegantly
re-sculpted the whole film around the idea of a plot that enunciates the
hero's journey while finding novel ways to express all the data that we
already wanted to share as a documentary. it is really cool.

i am stressing out about trying to find where i'm going to live. the best
places in terms of convenience and location also happen to be expensive
places - santa monica, malibu, brentwood, bel-air, et cetera. i have one
place that i might land for only 1k a month in bel-air, but that's also up
in the, uh, hm... air as well.

i just have had a headache and i'm supposed to have rewritten the pilot
screenplay with this new data in time for tomorrow's call, and i haven't
gotten that done yet. i also bought a calling card for necessities, and
tried to use it on my non-long-distance line to get a 3-way call going
between billy in the hospital, daniele in her apartment and myself, and
every time i called billy i heard my own voice echoing back one second
later, as loud as someone speaking normally on the other end - so we had to
cancel the conference call. and this was after i literally jumped through
all sorts of hoops to make that call happen, on time, and ship the keyboard
out as well.

i'm supposed to be getting a yearly check from my father but he forgot all
about it, and he said he's going to send it but i don't know if it will
actually be the agreed amount, or whether he has actually sent it, and i
don't want to call and "check up" because he will get pissed off... so i
wait.

so in a sense i have been self-martyring by not doing my work to the
capacity that i could have done it, out of a sense that if i don't try very
hard, the negative greetings won't hit me as hard. my dream this morning put
this all in perspective and it starts to make me wonder if i've got it all
backwards. if i trusted more of what the readings actually said, and tried
to use these greetings as inspiration more than knocking me down, then i
might actually become far more productive and not feel so under the weather,
and they might actually happen less often. yet it is exhausting.

so there is no question that the work i do for the website and for humanity
is also work for myself... if i neglect my work, my mission, then maybe i'm
doing all this great process work on myself and uncovering blockages and
healing them, but in the process i only learn, not really teaching, and i
don't know how much value there is in that. so i see that i must "serve
myself" and not be a martyr, not turn the other cheek but fight back...
fight back with new articles, finishing the book, learning and composing
music, making more mp3s for the archive, fearlessly moving to an area i
might not really be comfortable in, and getting this to happen.

yeah, it sucks... but you press on. that's what i have had to learn to do.
after enough repetition you can find a way to enjoy yourself in the midst of
massively pushing yourself far beyond any sense of your own limitations -
doing things that would have been unthinkable to the person you were five
years, one year, even six months ago.

peace be with you -

- david

[Monica Leal]

ra did mention martyrdom but not necessarily in a negative sense. i
agree that just because jesus was a martyr does not in any way
indicate that he was codependent, or that he somehow 'missed the mark'
due to some 'weakness.'

'prototype' is a good choice of terminology. i think you are correct,
drake, that essentially jesus was a 'prototype' of pure love.

consider this: is not the mission of wanderers to teach love, in order
to assist in the harvest? so, even if they are of higher densities,
their objective is not necessarily to rise above martyrdom, but to
illustrate love. thus, martyrdom might very well have been the best
way for jesus to accomplish his objective, to show pure love.

if 3d entities try to emulate this perfect love, they often fall
short. by reaching higher than most are likely to attain, maybe some
or even many will reach the 51%. if jesus had applied 5d wisdom and
avoided martyrdom, he might not have made his point. then people
reaching to follow his example might not have gained much polarity.

therefore, his mission was indeed accomplished. and, he passed with
flying colors and went on to 5d. it is the religions in his name that
have twisted the purpose of his life. but many within those religions
have polarized greatly due to his example. few, if any, among us can
claim to have done such a great work as he, despite the distortions
from the dogma.

i think jesus was indeed remarkable, along with many others that might
not be as famous.


--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "e. drake" <truelyndeeply@y...> wrote:

> ...thus speaking to the jesus entity as "codependent" veers
understanding deeply off, and into the realm of even in fact a
psychoanalysis or judgment, if you will, of this very special entity,
rather than to the grander and more important point of an accomplished
mission itself. the jesus entity accomplished it's goal as a prototype
to be sure, and a model more importantly, and a wayshower indeed, but
perhaps more critical to the converstaion, brought a gateway opening
to 3d, which, although might have been accomplished otherwise , and by
an altogether different entity, was nonetheless accomplished by jesus...

[Monica Leal]

i would say that it was not jesus' actions, but the actions of the
churches built in his name, that caused the distortions and
negativity. it is not the following of jesus' teachings and example
that have 'knotted people up' but the following of the church leaders
and of the wrathful, vengeance-filled, elitist old testament.

as marion zimmer bradley said in 'the mists of avalon': "i have no
quarrel with the christ; only with his priests."

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "david wilcock" <djw333@i...> wrote:

> ...have already publicly retracted my statement that jesus was
"codependent"
> because tobey wheelock found a quote that said that he expressed the
> perfection of fourth-density love.
>
> ...has been
> distorted into grotesquely self-martyring actions on behalf of many
> spiritually-inclined people. ...
> i believe that jesus' mission was perfect for the time and place it was
> accomplished. i also believe that the consequences of that
philosophy have
> knotted up the lives of many, many people.