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  1. #1
    Petrus Guest

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    i was just watching batman begins again, with one of its main themes being
    about confronting fear. i'm alone at the moment, (my girlfriend is asleep)
    and i've written here before about being petrified of the greys/being
    abducted, and watching the film caused me to think about that again, and
    wanting to confront it/work through it...to have an experience where i
    actually confront the greys in the same way as bruce is depicted confronting
    the bats. i paused the film and said out loud, "if you're going to come,
    come."

    after doing this i almost immediately regretted having done so. i began to
    again experience intense fear; perspiration, pounding sensations in my head,
    tension, and nausea to the point where i nearly vomited. i realised that,
    although i had thought i was, i'm still nowhere near ready to process this
    though...i'm still not ready to confront it yet. my throat is dry as i
    write this, and i'm very sweaty and shaking.

    the single main thing i'm trying to figure out though is what specifically i
    am so afraid of. i do not feel fear to this degree of intensity about
    anything else...and there are times when it has literally induced paralysis
    in me. i've tried looking at it logically...asking myself what the worst
    thing they could do to me would be if i *was* taken...it doesn't give me any
    answers. the degree of fear i experience has caused me to start to wonder
    if i have actually already been abducted at some point in the past. i used
    to think the only reason why i was so afraid was because of the amount i've
    read about ufology...but i'm wondering if that on its own could induce this
    degree of fear. i've had post-traumatic stress from other causes
    before...and to be honest, this feels like it.

    i don't want to be afraid of anything or anyone any more, if i can help
    it...i really do want to process this and get through it...but the main
    reason why i can't is because i don't know what it is about...what actually
    is it about them that i am so afraid of?


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    Abrient Guest

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    i hear you.

    maybe you know what i'm talking about-- there was an episode of unsolved
    mysteries that talked about abductions and the gee arr ay wai ess. when i
    first saw the episode at the tender age of a decade or so, i absolutely,
    totally, could not get to sleep that night, i was so scared. every little
    sound or bump or light would set me off-- even though we were living in a
    house with a lot of my extended family in the immediate vicinity. and since
    then i've had dreams of seeing ufo's in the backyard, and their context
    would place them at about that same time in the real world; but they aren't
    coherent and only hold semblance in metaphor rather than details. one of my
    friends definitely had a brush with the "albino baby snakes" going down a
    road one night in canton, mississippi a few years ago-- he said his friend
    was driving and looked like he was about to hit either like a labrador or
    two people standing in the road before the car died and then everything went
    back to normal. and i've sort of speculated that.... i guess? i could have
    had an encounter? but that's waking-life, logically ridiculous. i've never
    experienced missing time, marks, burns, etc. ultimately it's basically just
    my own fear finding ways to manifest itself according to my beliefs.

    ridiculous, especially, when i saw a picture from the tv show a month or so
    ago, that showed the same scene that had me so afraid-- and me a decade
    later, all mature and grown up, i can say clearly it is some slacker in a
    bad et costume with a white turtleneck on.

    so, think of it this way-- they want you to be scared. why give them what
    they want? if you feel yourself getting scared, get mad, get even, summon
    whatever symbols or faith you need to empower yourself. have the attitude
    of, heck let them come and bring it on, let's party. or even like you said
    once before, just leave! just do something that gets your emotions away from
    the fear of the pain, which may or may not exist. or if you want to be
    really sto, which completely repulses them, lovingly and lucidly, put
    yourself in their shoes: give them what they want. try to understand the sts
    mindset-- imagine feeling empowered by shocking people, and the thrill of
    making them afraid of you and feel less than you. but then, next imagine,
    you become so dependent upon those energies that's all you can live on--
    your entire existence depends on them being scared of you because you have
    forgotten the one, and the connection we all have. the key is love, because
    in their own way they're siblings just like the rest of us. but either way,
    once you come to understand them more, read about them, reinvent your
    attitude about them through empowering imagery, start to let go of the
    attachments that feed the fears, you start to think.... y'know. there's
    really nothing there to be afraid of. it's like understanding the image you
    had in your mind that had you so scared was really just some slacker in a
    bad et costume with a white turtleneck on.

    of course if you're sto, as has been talked about here before, or aligned to
    the spirit of christ, nothing bad will ever happen to you! (not really, but
    it will at least sufficiently disgust sts parasitic entities.)

    this is just how i understand things from what i've read and heard, so don't
    take my word for it. i hope that kind of helps.

    peace


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    Phyllis Booras Guest

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    goodness! that sounds like a big problem. i am currently reading the loo
    series and from what i gather from ra, if these are from the orion group, they
    gravitate toward negative people. or maybe you were contacted before when you
    actually were a negative person. just guessing here, but as i understand it and
    someone please correct me if i am wrong, they can not influence you if you
    remain positive and send love to them. .

    petrus <petrus4@...> wrote:
    i was just watching batman begins again, with one of its main themes being
    about confronting fear. i'm alone at the moment, (my girlfriend is asleep)
    and i've written here before about being petrified of the greys/being
    abducted, and watching the film caused me to think about that again, and


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    Jacob Almond Guest

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    (in response to petrus' post regarding fear)

    hey,

    thanks for sharing this.

    here's a little synchronicity for you:
    i was just about to compose a message regarding similar matters to
    those you just mentioned, and i was trying to figure out how to
    phrase it all, and what exactly i wanted to say. in particular, i did
    not want to stray off the topic of the law of one because i know that
    has been an issue on the forum recently.
    i was considering not posting at all and then i saw your message and
    it inspired me to do so! perhaps by exchanging information regarding
    our present situations we will learn something from each other? i
    hope so!
    i am sure that these topics can be discussed in conjunction with the
    law of one and as such may offer us the chance to further our
    understanding.

    for many months now, when alone (i do not live with my girlfriend), i
    have been sleeping with the light on. now, at first i thought this
    was just something i would wean myself off. i have always been used
    to sleeping in very small rooms, so i was sure that this behaviour
    was just associated with mine getting used to a bigger space (i have
    recently `moved' into a bigger room in my house).
    this is quite an embarrassing topic! it is in fact, the kind of thing
    children should be struggling with, not a 24 year old man!
    anyway, one evening as i lay in bed, starting to drift off (with the
    light on!) i thought to myself `this is silly! i'm almost asleep now,
    why don't i just reach over and turn off the light? i'll be asleep in
    no time!'
    so i reached over and turned the light off. as i lay in the darkness,
    my thoughts started wandering, and my almost-asleep body started
    feeling more and more awake.
    i began wondering what it was that i could be so `afraid' of. as i
    glanced around the room i could make out familiar dark shapes which
    represented objects in my room. the cupboards, my tv, my books
    etc. `everything is where it was, i just can't see it properly' i
    thought.
    so i shut my eyes and tried drifting off to sleep.

    then `that' rising feeling came. i slowly began feeling more unsafe.
    i began to imagine other people and/or things in the room. as i felt
    this feeling creep up on me, i nipped it in the bud by reaching over
    and turning the light on again. i wasn't panicked or anything, but i
    just had no desire to let the rising feeling get the better of me
    (ironic being as in essence i had!) literally laughing at myself, i
    dozed off.

    since then i have made several more unsuccessful attempts to turn off
    my light when going to sleep.
    generally, i tend to wake up at least once a night, if not twice.
    usually either 3am or 5am or both. conveniently this allows me a
    recess to scribble down any dreams i've had in the meantime.
    on one occasion that i had awoken at one of these times, i had a
    difficult time getting back to sleep even with the light on!
    now this is very rare for me ? usually any feeling of fear vanishes
    as soon as the light comes on, however i couldn't shake it this time.
    when i was trying to get back to sleep, i felt a really `sinister'
    presence, which was so intense i literally had to decree affirmations
    of love and light to myself to get myself back to sleep. i use the
    inverted commas around the word sinister because i know `sinister' is
    just my interpretation of the experience; it could just be a
    vibration i am not at all familiar with and as such could be
    perceived as sinister.

    well now, i have not had another experience like this since. to be
    honest i just leave the light on by default now. it has become such a
    habit i don't even think about it. or at least, i didn't until my
    mother spoke to be before (yes, i still live with my parents if you
    haven't guessed!)

    i was at my girlfriend's house last night and apparently my mum slept
    in my room (my dad has a bad cold and was keeping her awake!). she
    just reported to me that she awoke in the night, and felt a strange
    presence, and had to turn the light on! she said that she felt as if
    the covers on the bed were being moved.
    she then went on to discuss something about `whisperers'. apparently
    she had had this concept of `whisperers' on her mind for the last
    couple of weeks and wondered if the experience she had had was in
    some way related. she then also recommended i `do away' with the
    tarot deck i keep on my bedside table. i assume she was concerned it
    may be `attracting' something. just to recap my mother is a
    christian, and she has already warned me off tarot as it something
    she considers very dangerous.

    anyway, i'm blabbering a bit here and i apologise if i what i am
    sharing with you all seems irrelevant; i just felt inclined to do so,
    especially after petrus' post regarding fear. i'm not quite sure what
    i'm trying to say or why i'm saying it. i just strongly felt the
    desire to share this information, particularly as there is a
    synchronicity between my mother's experience in my room and my own
    experiences in my room.

    to anchor the topic back into the law of one, i thought perhaps the
    above may touch on negative or positive `greetings'. this is a
    buzzword i've read in this forum a few times, that i assume is
    discussed within the law of one books. i've not reached this topic
    myself as i'm still only about 1/4 of the way through book 1. if
    anyone who has read further can offer any data i would be greatly
    appreciative.

    apologies, if i may just digress slightly further; my mother
    literally just came into my room again and said she had spoken to a
    friend regarding the experience she had in my room in conjunction
    with the tarot.
    her friend suggested that the experience my mother had was most
    likely associated with the `visualization' methods used in the tarot
    not being `closed down' properly, and as such leaving the room `open'
    to entities being present. which are these `whisperers' she refers to
    i suppose?
    as i have said before, even if this information is misguided, i am
    always open to listen to others. if we are all `one' then by not
    listening to someone else i am not listening to myself!

    i will sign off now. i hope this post hasn't been too arbitrary. once
    again i just felt the need to share my feelings; i hope perhaps it
    may inspire further conversation on this topic, and, if cross-
    referenced, help increase my understanding of the law of one.

    many thanks for your time,

    love and light

    jake


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    j_stubler Guest

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    i hear you and feel for you. you will over come it. i was once told
    to remember the following saying when i need it most .... "
    unconditional love and fear cannot coexist" which will you choose? to
    dwell on it is to give it energy at the expense of your own energy.
    peace and light my friend....


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    Petrus Guest

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    > whatever symbols or faith you need to empower yourself. have the attitude
    > of, heck let them come and bring it on, let's party. or even like you said

    that is the attitude that i've been trying to have, and i had thought i was
    getting closer to it...but then again, it is confrontational, which is
    basically playing into what they want.

    > once you come to understand them more, read about them, reinvent your
    > attitude about them through empowering imagery, start to let go of the
    > attachments that feed the fears, you start to think.... y'know. there's

    my girlfriend gave me some good visualisations...and that's what surprised
    me...i actually thought they'd worked.

    > really nothing there to be afraid of. it's like understanding the image
    you
    > had in your mind that had you so scared was really just some slacker in a
    > bad et costume with a white turtleneck on.

    i think the main thing that has me so scared is that i've read about
    scenarios where other people were taken once, and then they tried everything
    they could think of to make sure that it didn't happen again...but it didn't
    matter where they went, it happened anywayz. i think that is the main issue
    though...the idea that me potentially having an experience with them is
    entirely *their* decision...and that if they decide that it's going to
    happen, there's absolutely nothing i can do to stop it.

    > this is just how i understand things from what i've read and heard, so
    don't
    > take my word for it. i hope that kind of helps.

    it does. thank you.


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    Petrus Guest

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    >for many months now, when alone (i do not live with my girlfriend), i
    >have been sleeping with the light on. now, at first i thought this

    i hear you. after i left school, one of the main reasons why i became
    nocturnal is because i simply didn't feel safe sleeping at night.

    this is quite an embarrassing topic! it is in fact, the kind of thing
    children should be struggling with, not a 24 year old man!

    i'm 28, if it makes you feel better.

    >when i was trying to get back to sleep, i felt a really `sinister'
    >presence, which was so intense i literally had to decree affirmations

    yep...i've had this. more specifically, generally how it happens is that
    i'll be asleep, and have a particularly bad nightmare, (although this hasn't
    happened in my current house) struggle to wake up in order to get out of it,
    and in a semi-awake state will be aware of something in the room with me.
    i've also often felt a lot more sleepy than usual when this happens, and
    will have to really fight in order to wake up completely. if i go back to
    sleep immediately, the nightmare will continue...and i get the feeling that
    that is why it is so hard to wake up...whatever it is in the room tries to
    make me go back to sleep so that i'll still be in the nightmare. the only
    way i've really found of dealing with this is simply to get up, get on the
    computer for a while, and wait for the presence to leave, which it normally
    does within two hours or so. although burning incense seems to help as
    well, for some reason...i've never had it happen on nights when i did that.

    >in my room (my dad has a bad cold and was keeping her awake!). she
    >just reported to me that she awoke in the night, and felt a strange
    >presence, and had to turn the light on! she said that she felt as if

    it sounds like you've definitely got something following you around.

    >the covers on the bed were being moved.
    >she then went on to discuss something about `whisperers'. apparently

    yes...i know about the whisperers as well. a friend of mine and i held
    ouija board sessions as teenagers, which was an incredibly dumb thing to do,
    in hindsight. after we'd done it a few times, i'd be lying in bed at night
    and would hear fairly loud, fast whispering coming from outside my bedroom
    door, as well as these light, pattering sounds...it sounded like there were
    multiple people out there. as soon as i got out of bed to investigate it,
    it'd stop...but the moment i got back into bed, it would resume. i'd also
    have what felt like a cat landing on my bed at times as well.

    >desire to share this information, particularly as there is a
    >synchronicity between my mother's experience in my room and my own
    >experiences in my room.

    in your case, i'd try and find someone with some known mediumistic
    ability...they might be able to help get rid of whatever it is you've got
    following you around...or at least give you some information about who/what
    it is.

    >not being `closed down' properly, and as such leaving the room `open'
    >to entities being present. which are these `whisperers' she refers to
    >i suppose?

    it does sound to me as though there possibly are spirits involved, yes.

    >may inspire further conversation on this topic, and, if cross-
    >referenced, help increase my understanding of the law of one.

    i think if we're having bad experiences, part of being sto means helping
    each other to resolve them.
    in service,
    petrus


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    Ken Rozsahegyi Guest

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    < i don't want to be afraid of anything or anyone any more, if i can
    help it...i really do want to process this and get through it...but
    the main reason why i can't is because i don't know what it is
    about...what actually is it about them that i am so afraid of? >

    petrus,

    i relate to this topic about confronting fear. i know this sounds
    preachy so feel free to chuck it as ra would say

    that reminds me....~~~~~~~(harp music in background)

    i reflect on a time of high fear, anxiety and insecurity in my life,
    while in college in the 70's. full of spritual longing, energy, but
    always vulnerable, uncertain, yet creative(punk rock was born,
    roomate played at cbgb's, i was at art school, the cold war was
    ready to kill us!). full of potential but not set in any ways of
    thinking or living. daily life was a roller coaster. i think that's
    a common experience for us children of god.

    later i was finally grounded by imersion in the cayce material, the
    reasoned open-minded christianity of the late eric butterworth, and
    the arrival of "a course in miracles", channeled material that
    appeared in 1975. the law of one is my current course of study, and
    it takes me back to finding many new insights into my past family of
    resources (there seems to be so much helpful material available
    these days!)

    'a course in miracles' contains structured daily exercises, which to
    me were a jolt of revelation that i had personal power and
    potential. let me emphasize: structure, for my wandering, un-focused
    mind, was like a paved road for a car. consider structure (of any
    kind) when mental-emotional/mind-body-spirit wandering brings
    uncertainty. remember that you must apply knowledge,insight, beliefs
    in order to benefit from it.

    eric constantly said: "you can change your life by altering your
    thoughts". his book, "discover the power within you" is full of
    insight. cayce held that the mind is the builder.

    if i may indulge a quote from the introduction to a course in
    miracles: "the opposite of love is fear, but what is all-
    encompassing can have no opposite. this course can therefore be
    summed up very simply in this way: nothing real can be threatend.
    nothing unreal exists. herein lies the peace of god." (when i
    briefly lived in virginia beach i saw that many other are members
    were also attracted to the course).

    ********************************
    western medicine anybody? after all that.. yes, there is a non-
    spiritual technique for conquering fear and gaining control over
    undesireable behaviors.

    for a desparate situation: if all else fails, if fear is too real,
    too immediate, and nothing else works, i would use my later training
    in behavioral sciences and approach fear using western behavioral
    science methodology. it's really simple: you can only acknowlege
    what is outwardly observable and measureable. everything else is
    abstract, unverifiable nothing. using this pure logic, you report to
    yourself what you measure rather than what you think & feel. write
    it down, count it, sort it, evaluate the trend. then act on it with
    an equally measureable action.

    ********************

    a last thought, that edge of fear is a real catalyst to awareness.
    mastery of that edge....i've been drawn to it at times to challenge
    myself, and success experiences are a great motivator.

    all for one, one for all
    ken


  9. #9
    bash Guest

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    hello,
    >


    > when i was trying to get back to sleep, i felt a really `sinister'
    > presence, which was so intense i literally had to decree affirmations
    > of love and light to myself to get myself back to sleep. i use the
    > inverted commas around the word sinister because i know `sinister' is
    > just my interpretation of the experience; it could just be a
    > vibration i am not at all familiar with and as such could be
    > perceived as sinister.

    if you are sensitive, it sounds as if you have sensed the soul of a dead
    person still hanging to that room. the fact your mother shared the same
    experience seems to confirm such a fact. a friend of mine who has a a real
    gift teaches how to "clean" places with love and light, she does it routinely
    and told me that many souls are still hanging around, unable to take off on
    their own, waiting for help.

    regards,

    laurence


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    William Bombardier Guest

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    greetings to you petrus.

    i understand you well petrus. i too have had a very similar
    experience although i do not retain the long-standing fear of
    maligned entities. i have been psychically attacked many times and
    have always come through more aware and better for the experience.

    in one experience i was lying in bed and asked for contact from
    et's. the sensations of pressure and physiological changes in my
    body put me into a state of fear which started to become panic which
    is very rare for me. i chose to back out of the choice immediately
    by asking for christ to intervene and the fear disappeared. i
    haven't returned to that place since and although my interest in et's
    is still there, my aching desire to interact with them has subsided.
    my study of the law of one, david w's work, a course in miracles and
    pranic healing have helped me reach a plateau of peace currently. i
    highly recommend them all.

    given that all is one, the grey's (as you perceive them) represent an
    aspect of yourself. perhaps your strong connection to them has to do
    with some karma you must work through internally or perhaps even
    externally through contact with them physically. to "fear" them is
    to reject them. to "love" them is to accept them. i suggest the
    latter. my impression is that this is a huge test for you, perhaps
    set up for you by you before you incarnated. ultimately, you will
    have to face this challenge to re-enter oneness. to embrace that
    which we fear most is part of the path to unity.

    personally, i recommend that you pray for them as well as yourself.
    offer them love by accepting them for whatever they are. ultimately,
    trust your gut and follow the path that has been set for you.

    one last thing... do not forget that although many of us are not with
    you in flesh, we are with you in spirit and will answer your call
    when needed. my prayers are with you this day.

    peace be with you my friend.

    will


    on dec 19, 2005, at 8:28 am, petrus wrote:

    > i was just watching batman begins again, with one of its main
    > themes being
    > about confronting fear. i'm alone at the moment, (my girlfriend is
    > asleep)
    > and i've written here before about being petrified of the greys/being
    > abducted, and watching the film caused me to think about that
    > again, and
    > wanting to confront it/work through it...to have an experience where i
    > actually confront the greys in the same way as bruce is depicted
    > confronting
    > the bats. i paused the film and said out loud, "if you're going to
    > come,
    > come."
    >
    > after doing this i almost immediately regretted having done so. i
    > began to
    > again experience intense fear; perspiration, pounding sensations in
    > my head,
    > tension, and nausea to the point where i nearly vomited. i
    > realised that,
    > although i had thought i was, i'm still nowhere near ready to
    > process this
    > though...i'm still not ready to confront it yet. my throat is dry
    > as i
    > write this, and i'm very sweaty and shaking.
    >
    > the single main thing i'm trying to figure out though is what
    > specifically i
    > am so afraid of. i do not feel fear to this degree of intensity about
    > anything else...and there are times when it has literally induced
    > paralysis
    > in me. i've tried looking at it logically...asking myself what the
    > worst
    > thing they could do to me would be if i *was* taken...it doesn't
    > give me any
    > answers. the degree of fear i experience has caused me to start to
    > wonder
    > if i have actually already been abducted at some point in the
    > past. i used
    > to think the only reason why i was so afraid was because of the
    > amount i've
    > read about ufology...but i'm wondering if that on its own could
    > induce this
    > degree of fear. i've had post-traumatic stress from other causes
    > before...and to be honest, this feels like it.
    >
    > i don't want to be afraid of anything or anyone any more, if i can
    > help
    > it...i really do want to process this and get through it...but the
    > main
    > reason why i can't is because i don't know what it is about...what
    > actually
    > is it about them that i am so afraid of?
    >


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