Gratuitous comment on foodstuffs

[lealdragon]

thanks. interesting about the mice and his final conclusions.
although, different foods react differently in different species.

> ... a much
> different matter than apparent improvements
> over a period of months or even a few years.
> done a bit wrong, what seems a great food
> regime can eventually bite you in the butt!

>

very true. also what must be taken into consideration is a person's
constitution. someone with strong genetics and a 'robust' constitution
(tendency towards strength, redness in cheeks, condition of excess)
will often thrive on a leaner, lighter diet. that's why often when
people go veg/raw they do great.

however, someone with a tendency towards a more 'yin' or weaker
constitution (pale skin, thin, poor digestion, etc.) may do better
with some cooked foods and/or animal foods.

i still contend that previous studies may have less relevance as we go
thru this transition. isn't that what this forum is all about, the
change that is occurring over the next few years? i think some people
are drawn to these 'lighter' diets for a reason. it certainly is not a
ticket to salvation - ra made that very clear - but it might be
helpful for some people who feel drawn to it. as ra said, 'longevity
is not an issue, for the harvest is now.'

but, having said all that, i wholeheartedly agree with you that we
must go by what actually works, for us as individuals, and not what
just sounds good in theory.

i also agree that a 100% raw diet may not work for everyone. i still
consider it an ideal - maybe my grandchildren will thrive on it in 4d!
in the meantime, personally i feel drawn towards a mostly raw foods
diet with small amounts of cooked vegetarian foods, as well as fresh,
organic raw goat's milk and moderate amounts of free-range eggs.

interesting, that i am leaning in this direction - no longer am hung
up on being totally vegan - i now consider fresh raw goat's milk and
free-range eggs to be gifts from the animals, provided they were
produced under good conditions. and, no animal died. i would never buy
the factory-farm hormone-laden eggs or dairy in the regular grocery
store.

thanks for the links - what i do is cross-reference everything and
then use common sense and try to listen to what works for me.

[Gene Martin]

hi bill,

yesterday you wrote:
here are two remarkable studies that can give essential guidance in
doing long-term veggies for health... a much different matter than
apparent improvements over a period of months or even a few years.
done a bit wrong, what seems a great food regime can eventually bite
you in the butt!

http://www.drbass.com/mice.html
http://www.drbass.com/rawdiet.html

gene:
thanks for posting this link.

i was reading up more about this "food stuff" just yesterday, spent
quite some time on the web. thanks for posting these two links...
very interesting if accurate. i intend to pursue this further.

at this period of my life i've been sprouting and eating lots of
mung, lentils, garbanzo beans. cause they are a snap to sprout, and
taste fine. i've also been eating lots of tofu and "manna bread",
essentially sprouted grain bread. i also like eggs.

my biggest downfall is vanilla ice cream and dark chocolate. there
must be a message here... but i have yet to see it. )

once again, i appreciate you posting the dr bass link.

take care,

gene

[M.W.]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "lealdragon" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
> thanks. interesting about the mice and his final conclusions.
> although, different foods react differently in different species.

that is true, and mice do not have the
same blood typings which match up with
humans even tho the metabolism is similar.


> however, someone with a tendency towards a more 'yin' or weaker
> constitution (pale skin, thin, poor digestion, etc.) may do better
> with some cooked foods and/or animal foods.

true. d'adamos father got a hint of the problem
in a european health clinic when he found some
thrived on a diet that made others even sicker.
that led his son to explore the negative
reaction of blood types to various food lectins


> i still contend that previous studies may have less relevance as we
> go thru this transition. isn't that what this forum is all about,

snip

> as ra said, 'longevity
> is not an issue, for the harvest is now.'


as i mentioned, i plan to be around for a few
more years to see what happens ... i would also
like to be alert and well at the wind up.

or is that wind down?

> interesting, that i am leaning in this direction - no longer am
>hung up on being totally vegan - i now consider fresh raw goat's
>milk and free-range eggs to be gifts from the animals, provided they
>were produced under good conditions. and, no animal died.

luckily i live in denver which has a dozen or
so "vitamin cottages" that meet my needs.
i can get "gifted" raw goat's cheese and also
free range eggs that have extra omega 3.

if you haven't done so yet please check on the
wonderful helps from "virgin" coconut oil. check
out tropical traditions for good info and links.

many vegetarians get too much omega 6. using ground
flax alone can be a problem because such sources of
omega 3 need to be modulated by saturated fatty acids.

(all things considered shouldn't your moniker really
be veggiedragon? (:>))

love, bill g

[GenoNess1@...]

in a message dated 6/17/2005 9:34:29 am pacific daylight time,
genekmartin@... writes:
my biggest downfall is vanilla ice cream and dark chocolate. there
must be a message here... but i have yet to see it. )


i would say it would have to do with lacking sweetness in life and making up
for it in diet. which i think is great because it makes for a well balanced,
happy inner child! love, me


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[lealdragon]

the sprouts are great, but if you are craving ice cream it could be a
sign that you need essential fatty acids. my husband lived on almost
nothing but mung & lentil sprouts for about 6 months but did not do
the nuts, seeds and avocadoes for oil, and he too developed quite a
fondness for ice cream! he also got quite deficient.

my suggestion is to incorporate some nuts, seeds and avocadoes, in
addition to the tofu & manna bread. you're already doing better than
we did, since you are eating eggs. that should help guard against any
deficiency. i think if we had eaten eggs & more nuts, seeds etc. we
would have been fine.

> ...i've been sprouting and eating lots of
> mung, lentils, garbanzo beans. cause they are a snap to sprout, and
> taste fine. i've also been eating lots of tofu and "manna bread",
> essentially sprouted grain bread. i also like eggs.
>
> my biggest downfall is vanilla ice cream and dark chocolate. there
> must be a message here...

[lealdragon]

i do too (plan to be here). i didn't mean to not bother being
healthy cuz of the upcoming harvest - that would be like the people
who don't bother cleaning up the planet cuz they think they're gonna
get raptured soon anyway - what i meant was that some of the
scientific experiments on what people 'need' in their diets might no
longer apply as we go thru vibratory changes. in other words,
studies on health may have been applicable in the past and might not
apply now. the 'rules' of diet might be changing. i say 'might' -
it's just speculation.

> as i mentioned, i plan to be around for a few
> more years to see what happens ... i would also
> like to be alert and well at the wind up.

yes i've read that coconut oil is supposed to be really healthy and
i've used it. the 'too much omega 6' would likely apply to vegans
more than veggies who include eggs & dairy, i would think. good
point to keep in mind.


> ...wonderful helps from "virgin" coconut oil... many vegetarians
get too much omega 6. using ground
> flax alone can be a problem because such sources of
> omega 3 need to be modulated by saturated fatty acids.

well we already have a 'tofu dragon' and that is confusing enough!

>
> (all things considered shouldn't your moniker really
> be veggiedragon? (:>))

[Ron Erickson]

as a type-1 diabetic since i was 20, i have been away from the "white menace"
for many years. the other white menace that i avoid is salt, and i also avoid
the "bad fats". what i would recommend to all (especially diabetics) is a form
of bluegreen algae called e3-live. i take it daily and (among other things) it
seems to keep my blood sugar ups and downs less drastic - although i can't
explain how it would do this. ron
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from: alan cohen
to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
sent: wednesday, june 15, 2005 11:27 pm
subject: re: [asc2k] re: gratuitous comment on foodstuffs


you are right sugr is the white menace. alan

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[lealdragon]

unrefined salt, like unrefined sugar, has many trace minerals. it is
the refined salt that is so 'menacing'.

i too use blue-green algae (a different brand) and i agree that it
does help regulate blood sugar. i have known many people personally
who said it helped with symptoms of diabetes, hypoglycemia, sugar
cravings, and lots of other things.

the reason is that the cell wall of the algae is made of a type of
glycogen, which feeds the liver. it gives a sustained, level energy,
reducing the 'ups and downs' characterized by sugar consumption. it is
not a stimulant, so helps balance energy rather than forcing the body
to feel energy (thus stressing the adrenals) like stiumulants such as
caffeine do.

this is why hyperactive children get calmer and more focused, while
other people typically feel more energy. it's a balancing thing.

> ...the other white menace that i avoid is salt, and i also avoid
the "bad fats". what i would recommend to all (especially diabetics)
is a form of bluegreen algae called e3-live. i take it daily and
(among other things) it seems to keep my blood sugar ups and downs
less drastic - although i can't explain how it would do this. ron

[M.W.]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "ron erickson" <ronerick@i...> wrote:
> as a type-1 diabetic since i was 20, i have been away from
the "white menace" for many years. the other white menace that i
avoid is salt, and i also avoid the "bad fats". what i would
recommend to all (especially diabetics) is a form of bluegreen algae
called e3-live. i take it daily and (among other things) it seems to
keep my blood sugar ups and downs less drastic - although i can't
explain how it would do this. ron

hi ron, insn't that unusual to develop type 1
diabetes in one's twenties. i take it you are
on insulin?

it has become a brutal fact that more juveniles
than adults are now developing adult onset type
2 diabetes. go figure that one!

some of the thinking has changed concerning the
eitiology of the disease. some researchers are
now claiming that sugar is not the original
culprit. the bad guy (s) now indicated are
bad fats...especially the altered vegetable
oils used in snack foods ... i.e., essentially
rancid, but deodorized trans-fats.

generally type 2 can be controlled by diet if
properly supplemented with bio-available nutrients
including such necessary ones as chomium and
vanadium. there is an extract from leaves of
the banabas tree that has remarkable properties.

[Ron Erickson]

bill gieskieng:
hi ron, insn't that unusual to develop type 1 diabetes in one's twenties. i take
it you are on insulin?

ron:
yes, i have been injecting insulin every day since i was 20. now, i have 4
shots each day. this gives me better blood sugar control. most type 1s develop
the condition earlier - but some later.


bill gieskieng:
it has become a brutal fact that more juveniles than adults are now developing
adult onset type 2 diabetes. go figure that one!

ron:
that's news to me - i'll have to ask my doctor about that.


bill gieskieng:
some of the thinking has changed concerning the eitiology of the disease. some
researchers are now claiming that sugar is not the original culprit.

ron:
are you suggesting that sugar consumption was believed to cause type 1 diabetes?
i have never heard the suggestion (by any doctor) that diet causes type 1
diabetes. my understanding is that type 1 diabetes is the result of an
auto-immune response, such that the immune system incorrectly judges the beta
cells (in the isles of langerhans in the pancreas which produces insulin) to be
foreign cells and attacks them. incidentally, it is apparently possible to
create replacement beta cells using stem cell techniques, but this doesn't seem
to be a current priority for the medical field.

incidentally, i live one block away from the laboratory (on the university of
toronto campus) where frederick banting and charles best first discovered
insulin.

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