Gratuitous comment on foodstuffs

[lealdragon]

so true - it is insidious and people think it's ok. an acupuncturist
doctor once told me that sugar in its raw state is fine - it is a
whole food - but refined sugar is processed by the body as a drug.
something about it being in an isolated crystalline form.

same with salt - there is a huge difference between refined table
salt and raw ionic salt. when they process the salt they remove
something like 92-96 trace minerals which then are used in
vitamin/mineral supplements!

isn't that silly - we eat this refined salt and it causes
hypertension etc. then we take vitamin supplements to replace the
minerals they took out!

i agree with you that people are addicted to sugar. what really
amazes me is when they feed it to their children. i've seen people
feeding babies soda in baby bottles.

i've had people tell me that i was 'depriving' my son by giving him
toys instead of candy at easter & halloween. i would ask them, well,
am i depriving him by not giving him cigarettes?

i had a really hard time getting over sugar addiction. it was worse
than other drug addictions, in my experience.

> ...i think a lot of people are literally hooked on sugar.
> and it's everywhere and in everything, and soooooo socially
acceptable.

[M.W.]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "lealdragon" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
> i think we actually agree more than we disagree. we are both saying
> that each person much research any diet, and not get caught up in
> the dogma, and to look into superfoods to help compensate for the
> decline of nutrients in our food and the increase in toxins.
>
hi, ld

hard to keep up with your comments
and observations!

and, no, you didn't hurt my feelings.
i was just angling for sympathy.

look, i'm a "health nut" my diet is
not only basically vegetarian but my
main staples are the various "super
foods" most of my meals come out of
my blender. there are basically two
types of smoothies -- named by my
affectionate friends as "green slime"
and "purple slime"....sometimes when i
put in a dose of dried beet powder it
does take on a more attractive reddish
glow.

something must be working because
at 74 i feel better than i did as a body
builder in my twenties. i don't get sick,
i ride a dirt bike (carefully) and if i
have a good night's sleep i'm often taken
for being in my fifties by those not
particularly clever about discerning aging.

i restrict grains and do no dairy. i do add
cage-free eggs and occasionally some
bison. my kitcheon looks like a sloppily
arranged health food store ... my
bed/computerroom like a metaphysical library
and esoteric gadgetry conclave. no whips
or chains however.

about fry. his friends assummed his
diet obsession did kill him. i subscribed
to fry's newletters when he took on the
role of spokesperson for the natural hygiene
movement several ages ago, so i know
something of his philosophy. the fruitarian
concept was an abberation that possesed him.

a useful capsule observation of various
"health diets" and some inherent deficiencies
can be found at:

http://www.living-foods.com/articles/handb.html

yes, we share more than we differ. and i'm not
as weird as the description above may lead you
to believe....it is actually worse than that.

we are all the square root of one

love, bill g

[M.W.]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "mary " <marybearce@e...> wrote:
> i read up on and considered the blood type diet, but eventually
decided it
> wouldn't work for me - i am type a and hypoglycemic, and allergic
to soy.
> go figure . . . lol

hi, mary.

the most useful help i've gotten from
d'adamo is to learn what foods --with
their particular lectins -- are most
injurious to me. for myself there is
a big difference between say, kidney
beans and pinto beans. one is plus
while the other is a real no-no. as
i mentioned chicken for a b type
(i'm ab) is really an insidious poison
and can lead to diabetes. there is no
getting around that particular fact
of contrary body chemistry.

i know that the good doctor claims that
soy is of benefit to type "a"s. but if
you read the work of mary fallon et.al.
it is hard to justify feeding soy to
anything but a compost heap. it can be
dangerous stuff! but one can find it
in darn near every product imaginable.
the soy interests are like the illuminati
of psuedo food-poisons. consider the
heavy handed way they drove the tropical
oils off the american market with skewered
propaganda ...most medical doctors still
think that coconut oil is a heart attack
in a bottle! and actually it can be one
if not the best fat that one can take.

sure. good natural food and excercise sounds
like all that one needs to thrive. but what
is good natural food? most of the stuff
available is genetically modified or irradiated
and that is no minor matter...test animals
die from eating the stuff

another killer not recognized is that of micro-
waving foods. there are changes in the compostion
that destroy its value. russians made tests years
ago with factory workers. those eating the nuked
stuff at lunch developed health problems.

now i'm sure that ill-health can serve as a
catalyst for one's spiritual development. but
i am attracted to the grecian maxin of having
a healthy mind in a healthy body...(negative
polarity entities excluded in that consideration!)

yeah. sugar is a big disrupter! i use a lot of
stevia, with some xylitol and erythritol.

let's all serve each other...that also includes
serving out good food advice!

expecting to be on hand for 2012! hmm. that may
be dangerous thinking!


love to all! bill g

[smileyjaiy]

>
> you all might be surprised when i say this, but the more i've gotten
into
> healthy/whole foods the more worried i've become about refined sugar.
> personally i don't touch the stuff anymore, but as a recovering coke
(as in
> soda) addict (lol), i think a lot of people are literally hooked on
sugar.
> and it's everywhere and in everything, and soooooo socially acceptable.
> okay, i'll get off my soapbox now, sorry, but it really does worry me.

you're input reminded me of something that happened to me years ago,
there was a time in my life i just felt terrible on many leves... to
keep this short...one of the things i did was educate myself on diet
and try different things....i basically moved to cooking and eating
natural meals, never eating anything that was processed...i adopted
ayurvedic principles that look at the role of spices and tastes...well
it is recognized that salt plays an important role in taste in
addition to creating 'relish' or appetite for the food...well because
of my eating habits the only salt i ever ate was the salt i added at
the table with my shaker...once i was eating at work and a co-worker
saw me quit liberally and merrily add salt to my lunch...he blurted
out 'that salt is going to kill you'...i said baloney we all need
salt...but the reality of the situation hit me about a couple months
later when being rushed one day i didn't bring a lunch and opted for
cafeteria food...i ordered a soup which was simply those 'cambell'
soups from a can where you add an equal amount of water...well i took
one spoonfull of the soup in my mouth and almost gagged because there
was so much salt already in it....i couldn't finish eating it, i just
wasn't used that much salt!

[lealdragon]

i'm so relieved!
>
> and, no, you didn't hurt my feelings.
> i was just angling for sympathy.
>
> look, i'm a "health nut" my diet is
> not only basically vegetarian but my
> main staples are the various "super
> foods"... "green slime" and "purple slime"...

very cool! i am well acquainted with beet powder! and my favorite
superfood is pond scum! :^)

> something must be working because
> at 74 i feel better than i did as a body
> builder in my twenties. i don't get sick,
> i ride a dirt bike

wow! sounds like you are doing great!

>
> about fry. his friends assummed his
> diet obsession did kill him.

yeah, obsession can be a killer. even good ideas can be dangerous if
they become too dogmatic and obsessive. been there done that!


> http://www.living-foods.com/articles/handb.html

from the above site that you recommended:

q: was the diet of our prehistoric ancestors fruitarian? a: no, the
paleontological record is very clear on this. our ancestors were
omnivores who consumed both plant and animal foods. q: are there
reasons to believe that humans have evolved genetically to adapt to
a diet that includes some cooked food? a: yes

my comments: if these people justify eating cooked food on
evolution, and the 'caveman diet' proponents justify meat-eating on
the fact that our ancestors did it, then i submit that we can just
as easily justify living on vegetarian raw foods by saying that we
are evolving rapidly to 4d, and we might not want to kill animals
for food in 4d. we could also say that our ancestors fought wars,
too, but that does not necessarily mean we need to continue that.
point being that anything can be 'justified'.

thanks for the link. i have just found some others that claim to
solve the problems with raw foods diets. not sure if they really do,
but might be worth checking out:

http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/rawsecrets.html

>
> yes, we share more than we differ. and i'm not
> as weird as the description above may lead you
> to believe....it is actually worse than that.

i love weird people!
peace

[Alan Cohen]

you are right sugr is the white menace. alan

--- mary <marybearce@...> wrote:

> i read up on and considered the blood type diet, but
> eventually decided it
> wouldn't work for me - i am type a and hypoglycemic,
> and allergic to soy.
> go figure . . . lol
>
> it's so easy to get sucked into the hype for this
> diet or that diet . . .
> personally i think we all need to exercise more and
> just eat sensibly,
> including as much whole/natural/organic foods as
> possible and avoiding the
> processed stuff.
>
> you all might be surprised when i say this, but the
> more i've gotten into
> healthy/whole foods the more worried i've become
> about refined sugar.
> personally i don't touch the stuff anymore, but as a
> recovering coke (as in
> soda) addict (lol), i think a lot of people are
> literally hooked on sugar.
> and it's everywhere and in everything, and soooooo
> socially acceptable.
> okay, i'll get off my soapbox now, sorry, but it
> really does worry me.
>
> we do need to take care of these "ape" bodies, as
> long as we live in them,
> they are home. :-)
>
> mary
>
> -------original message-------
>
> from: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> date: 06/15/05 03:10:34
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> subject: [asc2k] re: gratuitous comment on
> foodstuffs
>
> "lealdragon" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
> dr. mercola.com has zillions of pages on
> health issues. robert young ( phd) has some
> revolutionary discovery's concerning the
> the ph factor and nano intelligence of the
> body...sounds like stuff we read on accension.
> dr. d'adamo reveals just what great health
> foods will slowly kill you ... if you happen to
> be a particular blood type. inquiring people
> need to know these things! hey! i take the
> cayce reccomended atomiodine!
>
> don't forget, we are borrowing 2nd dimensional
> "ape" bodies and need feed them accordingly!
>
> billious g
>
>
> [non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
>
>
>





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[Kofi Burke]

> personally i don't touch the stuff anymore, but as a recovering coke
> (as in
> soda) addict (lol), i think a lot of people are literally hooked on
> sugar.

i feel diet is more important today than it ever has been. the western
peoples have "evolved" through necessity in the long winter months by
eating meat. however in india for example they have "evolved" on a pure
vegetarian diet.

we are now in a position to make real diet choices and not ones born out
of necessity.

through an informed choice based on spirituality, ethics and economics i
am a pure vegetarian, - no meat no fish no eggs.
(and lets not forget the main reason which is satisfaction and taste)

i have stopped drinking & smoking for over seven years and now no longer
drink caffeine.

all i have to do now is get over my sugar addiction.

i call it an addiction because i cant go through the day without a hit,
or should i call it my own conditioning ?

i have not stopped since i was old enough to lie cheat and steal for my
sugar rush (i personally call it the gateway drug).

i think its about time i started to take the issue seriously.

anyway i think there's still hope for me as im 30 next month.

ghandi said "you can tell how civilised a nation is, by its treatment of
animals"

[Tofu Dragon]

hiya lealdragon =)

i agree with you and kofi that yes there are lots of
us who are addicted to sugar! i never used to have
this problem until having some friends that loved
sweets, now i also crave sweets and i would love it if
you could share your experiences of how you beat the
sugar addiction. i've been vegetarian all my life for
32 years and off and on vegan. currently i am vegan.
even though i am vegan i know i could still eat
healthier especially when it comes to sugar! people
automatically assume that if you are vegetarian/vegan
that you eat healthy, but there are lots of non-meat
or dairy foods out there that are not healthy. sugar
laden foods and white bread being easy targets.

thanks for the post!
love and light to all!
- lovie =)

--- lealdragon <lealdragon@...> wrote:
> i had a really hard time getting over sugar
> addiction. it was worse
> than other drug addictions, in my experience.
>
> > ...i think a lot of people are literally hooked on
> sugar.
> > and it's everywhere and in everything, and soooooo
> socially
> acceptable.




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[lealdragon]

veg your entire life! that's awesome! my son is 16 and he has never
had a bite of meat in his life. it's really cool to find another
lifelong vegetarian!

i never gave him any candy/cookies/cakes/sodas/junk either, except for
some healthy versions, such as sweetened with honey, and even those he
finds 'sickeningly sweet'. i felt that this way he would not have to
undo the damage and break the addiction. it worked; he has no taste
for sweets! so this proves in my mind that excessive sweetness is an
acquired taste and a sign of addiction.

as for those of us who were brought up with sugar, it's a bit more
difficult! i was the biggest sugar junkie in the world and probably
would not have gotten off of it had i not been ordered to by a
nutritionist i was seeing for some health issues. that's how i got
into health foods - not by choice but by necessity.

so i gave up everything pretty much 'cold turkey' (or 'cold tofu'
shall i say!) meat, sugar, alcohol, as well as the illicit stuff all
at the same time. but, in all fairnes i went thru a pretty major shift
in thinking at the time, so it was not really difficult for me. i
think inspiration has alot to do with it. for me, this came in the
form of books as well as a motivation to heal myself without resorting
to surgery. for someone who is not in such a desperate situation, it
can be more difficult to get the motivation to quit sugar when it is
not quite so obvious as to how harmful it is.

i really got into the lifestyle of it. i started juicing and growing
my own sprouts. so it became sort of fun for me and i didn't miss the
junk foods so much.

later, if i ever ate sugar i would pay a hefty price - so it just
wasn't worth it.

another important tip is to take acidophilus - the healthy bacteria
that is supposed to be in the colon but sugar and antibiotics kill it
off. if you can supplement with that, it can help with sugar cravings.

the superfoods, such as blue-green algae, also can help with sugar
cravings - i have had many people tell me this.

sorry i am not more helpful - i wish i had a magic trick for you to
make it easier! best wishes and let me know how it goes!


> ...now i also crave sweets and i would love it if
> you could share your experiences of how you beat the
> sugar addiction. i've been vegetarian all my life

[M.W.]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "lealdragon" <lealdragon@g...> wrote:
> i'm so relieved!
> i love weird people!
> peace

likewise, but...

there is no peace to be had with truly
weird people!

fearing i'm running the subject into the
ground... to continue

here are two remarkable studies that
can give essential guidance in doing
long-term veggies for health... a much
different matter than apparent improvements
over a period of months or even a few years.
done a bit wrong, what seems a great food
regime can eventually bite you in the butt!

http://www.drbass.com/mice.html


http://www.drbass.com/rawdiet.html

...probably the most comprehensive
nutritional survey ever made was
done by the cambells. check amazon
for "the china study"

ghandi name was mentioned in a recent
posting. he has described his and his
follower's serious health problems that --
despite their philosophical beliefs --
developed with their version of veganism.
naturally this failure was a source of
frustration to this great figure.

ghandi needed to have made a "mouse study"

studies have been made of a three-generation
raw food family. physical and mental problems
were found in the latest progeny. it was
determined that simple changes in diet could
have avoided such degeneration.

one insider in the raw food movement has
disclosed that many of the leaders have
serious physical and psychological
(anxiety and panic attacks) that they
hide and cover up. when followers report
such problems they reply that the complainer
is either suffering from a much needed
"cleansing" or is not following the protocols
...it seems they can't face facts if such
don't align with their philosophical
convictions or financial involvements.


a statement that modern man may have adapted
to some use of cooked food was countered by
a reducto ad absurdum argument. but "man" has
adapted in many way to his environment...that
is one application of darwin that is true...
adapt or die ... and that includes the
particular gene strain. one example of change
is in the differing blood types. i.e., the
original o type for the paleolithic. b for
the nomads of the steppes and their kefir,
a for agriculture. the hybrid ab is a
relative newcomer, which is hard to figure
out the "why" outside of being a mere
incidental product of accident. but there
were evidently no abs around a few thou ago.

my purpose here is not to have people throw
up their hands and go back to their damnable
twinkies and such but to take the trouble to
find out what works. the above sites should
help steer you right. look, i've gotten conned
by so called "experts". i've done some incredibly
dumb stuff...like living on juices -- ala norman
walker -- and having to take enemas because
there was no fiber in the diet. well, his books
made it all sound logical at the time! and i
did get the bonus of a nice orange color from
the carrots!

sheesh! dumber than dumb!

billybustagut