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  1. #21
    lealdragon Guest

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    in taoism, the yin-yang represents polarity: light/dark, good/bad,
    male/female etc. but, even tho when we look at the symbol we see the
    opposites, it is actually spinning - one flowing into the other. the
    tao (god, oneness) is the spinning yin-yang, which is above and
    beyond polarity (as in, the higher dimensions where there is no
    longer the battle between the sts and sto paths).

    i think this is a good illustration of the polarizing that is going
    on in the world right now. the hurricanes resemble the yin-yang
    symbol, with the tao being the calm, the eye in the center. if that
    eye is a portal, then it is even more significant - the way to rise
    above the storm is to not take sides, but to see beyond polarity and
    into oneness.

    this realization hit me today as i was feeling frustrated about the
    election. i realized, that by aligning myself in one side, i was
    perpetuating the division. i still fully intend to vote for kerry of
    course, but now i realize that, rather than spinning my wheels trying
    to change the bush people, i will probably do more good by accepting
    them for who they are, respecting their viewpoint, and aligning
    myself with the calm, the unity of the 2 sides, rather than 1 of the
    sides.

    in other words, even tho i still feel it is important to vote, it has
    lost its emotional charge for me. physically, i will carry out the
    action of voting for the candidate whom i think most represents peace
    and tolerance, imo kerry, but at the same time i will choose to focus
    on the oneness of the 2 sides rather than the side itself. it is the
    mental/emotional shift that i feel taking place that is important.

    i think there is tremendous power in the eye of the storm, or the
    place where the tension ceases between the opposites. the perfect
    equilibrium between that dynamic tension. i'm not sure how our choice
    of path fits into all of this, since we are choosing the sto path,
    the 'good' path. but does not the sto path include the concept of the
    loo, which is oneness?

    rather than seeing the conflict between the 2 paths, isn't it in
    alignment with the loo to see beyond the separation? in other words,
    isn't that the true definition of the sto path, which is to not see
    ourselves as opposite the 'opposite' path but actually one with them?

    i'm not sure if i'm explaining this very well - i have had
    experiences where i realized that the power is in the rising above
    the conflict, even tho we might still be taking a stance on one side
    physically, but to be able actually see both sides.

    for example, i am pro-life on the abortion issue. while i do not
    judge those women who find themselves in that situation, and maybe
    there are times when it is the only viable choice, i still feel that
    it is not an optimal solution and that we can strive for a higher
    ideal that honors the feminine creative principle, rather than
    violently going against it.

    yet, i did find myself in a difficult situation shortly after a very
    difficult birth - i was simply not ready yet for another child. i was
    shocked that i even considered the abortion option. this allowed me
    to have compassion for women in similar situations, while at the same
    time i knew that abortion was just not something i could do. but
    neither could i have another child at that time!

    my strong beliefs prevailed and i very consciously asserted my choice
    that i was not willing to have an abortion, but i was also not
    willing to be pregnant again.

    a very interesting thing happened when i reached this threshold of
    refusing to choose between 2 unacceptable options: a 3rd option
    miraculouisly appeared, and it turned out that i was not pregnant
    after all. (either that or i miscarried, since i was very certain
    that i was pregnant.) this was one of the most profound moments of my
    life. i realized that i had just transcended a major limitation of
    believing that there were only 2 options to choose from, and had
    actually participated in the creative process of opening up a new
    reality.

    the reason i am sharing this story is that i think this concept can
    be applied here, in this conflicted political situation. no, i am not
    referring to a 3rd candidate suddenly appearing. but, if we refuse to
    participate in the highly charged feelings of division and
    separation, some of which are so strong that they are tearing friends
    and families apart, then we just might forge a 3rd option, a new path
    of oneness.

    it might not be in the form of a 3rd candidate, but this oneness
    might manifest as greater understanding and love between the 2 sides,
    which can then ripple out to the rest of the world.

    specifically, we could refuse to accept the idea of another bush
    term, while at the same time take a moment and actually pretend that
    we are a bush supporter, and really get the idea that, to them, the
    idea of a president kerry is as unacceptable to them as another 4
    years of bush is to us.

    then, we can feel, really feel, that we are one with that other
    person, that supporter of the other candidate. and, once we are one,
    we can assert our choice that neither option is acceptable, and
    create a new option. what i mean by neither option being acceptable
    is not that neither candidate is acceptable, but that neither
    situation is acceptable. by situation i mean the situation of one
    side winning and the other side feeling terrified and devastated that
    they lost.

    by situation i mean the scenario playing in people's minds right now:
    the bush people think that if kerry wins, this country will be
    totally immoral and terrorists will hit again, while the kerry people
    think that if bush wins, our country will be starting wars all over
    the place, killing more people, the environment will be destroyed,
    freedom of religion will be lost, etc etc etc.

    these are the situations that are unacceptable. what is unacceptable
    is for either candidate to win with such a division among the people.
    even tho i support kerry, i find it unaccptable that, should kerry
    win, all those fundamentalists will be extremely agitated. and, even
    tho i do not want bush to win, what is even more unacceptable than
    him winning is the continuation of the agitation and discord that
    will result regardless of who wins, since the losing side will be in
    an uproar.

    therefore, we cannot think in terms of 'oh, my candidate won, so
    everything will be peachy' since the candidate who loses is someone
    else's candidate, and that person is our other-self.

    we must get beyond the 'win or lose' mentality and seek peace between
    the 2 sides, regardless of whom we vote for. how to do that? well,
    i'm open to suggestions, but it's a start just to realize that it is
    something to focus on. and, once we choose something, the doors will
    begin opening.

    just an idea.

    --- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "kay dayss" <kay@d...> wrote:
    > do you have ideas on how we can bring the people together?
    >


  2. #22
    Jeremy Weiland Guest

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    > also, the polarization is not along the lines of what seems to be
    > the harvest/sto/sts lines that one would expect. there are
    > harvestable sto other selves in the "i love bush" polarity. i
    > suspect that there are even wanderers on this forum who are in the
    > bush camp. this is the part i just cannot understand.

    i don't get it. why would you think that *all* bush supporters are
    sts?

    remember this quote from the law of one, book 3:

    "questioner: ...why would one of us freely follow the [negative]
    entity?

    ra: i am ra. the positive polarity sees love in all things. the
    negative polarity is clever."

    moral of the story: sto is naive, especially in 3rd and 4th density.
    politicians (i.e. those who want control and tend to act negatively)
    use people of good intentions to prosecute their agenda. it's the
    story of the world. and please, everybody, do not think that bush is
    the only "clever" candidate. kerry has some "cunning" within him,
    too, to put it *mildly*.

    my point is that, like lesley pointed out, there is no reason that
    politics neccessarily has to coincide with polarity. in fact, it is
    the sto people on both sides of the fence that have been working to
    find common ground. it's probably a big reason that we *don't* have
    a civil war in this country already.

    politics is completely incidental and transient. there is nothing
    about it that makes it fundamentally more important or worthwhile
    than any other transient aspect of life, from a soul evolutionary
    point of view. in 3d we do not have direct access to the terran
    social memory complex, and politics is just a primitive way of that
    complex controlling itself, just as our brain is a way we control our
    body.

    please do not make the mistake of drawing political lines in the sand
    when studying the law of one, at least on this message board. all
    this election stuff is "that which passeth away". thank god. let's
    concentrate on the intransient topics, and each take personal,
    private responsibility to find ways of working out how we manifest
    those in the "real world".

    this kind of discussion of politics is precisely why i did not want
    to get into it (no offense). if you think bush supporters cannot
    polarize sto, you need to read the books a few more times. lol and
    i say that with love; these are hard concepts to integrate into life,
    but if they're causing you to separate from people rather than unite
    with them in spirit and purpose, i can say that you're missing the
    point with relative certainty (or at least, you aren't understanding
    the sto side of that aspect of tloo).

    :-)

    love and light to all of you, especially now,

    jeremy


  3. #23
    Kay Dayss Guest

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    wow, lesley, i don't understand how you can't see the polarization. maybe it
    is your location in oakland? or perhaps you do not have the internal
    feelings of polarization, so you don't see them externally? things are not
    so pleasant here. even someone saying that the election is insignificant
    would draw a lot of heat here, as would saying that abortion is
    insignificant or child abuse is insignificant or the deaths of so many
    people in wars is insignificant or homosexuals' desires to marry are
    insignificant.

    i agree with your point about florida. when a disaster strikes, people drop
    their polarity and work together. i'm hoping that we won't have to have
    disasters to see this.

    we don't have to care about politics; it's a choice. just a few months ago,
    i used to be very politically active (i called bush the antichrist) and my
    degree is in poli sci, but i am no longer active except that i still have
    very strong feelings about bush et al. i'm working on myself about this, but
    i still have the polarizing feelings. so the polarization lives inside of me
    and inside of all the people around me here in my life. it must be that i
    just attract activists into my life and you do not. the activists in my life
    all say that they have never ever in their entire lives including reagan
    ever ever ever been so very much against anyone like they are against bush
    getting reelected. i don't know about the bush supporters, but the polls say
    that 60% of those for bush are very strongly for bush. this is escalating.
    right now it is violence against signs. the bush signs are being vandalized.
    i've seen screaming matches too. this is not a 'normal' election.

    it is hard for me to even think that there are people who don't care who is
    president because i've seen how who is president has a tremendous impact on
    what people think is proper behavior -- and on the collective conscious of
    america as well as the rest of the world. i am working on myself to let go
    here, but it is hard because i totally understand the folks who are so
    strongly anti-bush and i totally do not understand why anyone with a brain
    and a heart would support bush. yet i see many people with a brain and a
    heart who do support bush. i guess this severe polarization in myself is why
    i can see it everywhere and you do not.

    elections are a choice. but a lot of people do care about politics because
    they see the ramifications in terms of people's lives, and because politics,
    unlike a hurricane, is a place where they believe that they can have an
    impact.

    i grew up in ann arbor, mi which has always been polarized. when i was a
    student at the uofm, i did survey research and drew a responder who was a
    member of the rainbow people's party and had had dynamite buried in his back
    yard, and i drew a republican asian american responder in my own
    neighborhood who didn't want a black doctor moving into our neighborhood
    because of what he thought it would do to the property values. often the
    republican responders would not even open their doors to us. they called the
    police on one guy and he had to call the professor to keep from going to
    jail just for knocking on the republican's door. this never happened with
    the non-republicans. i was a republican at the time, and i was really
    shocked by the amount of polarization in my home town. so i guess i've seen
    polarization everywhere all my life, but i've never seen it as nasty and
    negative as i see it now. there are many people who think it will be the end
    of the world if bush is elected.

    i work every day on letting go. some days i'm more successful than other
    days, but i know it would help if i had loo folks all around me. i know that
    loo gatherings would also help to remind me and others know that there is
    choice. there is a way to look at all of this where peace is possible --
    both peace of mind and peace in the world.

    blessings,
    kay

    ----- original message -----
    from: "lesley schultz" <msthoth@...>

    you know, i'm not sure i even understand what this
    thread is all about. i see no polarization of people
    in my daily life, with strong negative feelings on two
    sides making things unpleasant. i see lots of people
    with different opinions, respecting each other's
    points of view.

    i really wonder if this polarization-thing is being a
    little bit blown out of proportion. and i also wonder
    how much people suffering in florida right now, trying
    to pick up the pieces of their lives and integrate the
    past couple of months' experiences, really care about
    something as insignificant as the upcoming election.

    why do we have to care about politics? can't we just
    care about each other?


  4. #24
    Kay Dayss Guest

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    jeremy,

    exactly. i don't get your point either. this also is part of the
    polarization. your whole message is like alphabet soup to me, and mine is
    like alphabet soup to you. but we have the advantage of both knowing the
    loo, so we can transcend our lack of understanding with love.

    even though i don't get it, i know that we are one, so i can take comfort in
    our oneness. many others are not so fortunate as we are.

    i think that now that i'm attracting people into my life who do not think
    that politics is the sa (the breath of life), it is hard for me to
    understand them, and they me. curious and interesting. this is very
    educational for me. as we change, we let go of things, and we start to
    attract people into our lives whom we did not know even existed before. how
    we learn to communicate with each other is a big part of the transformation,
    don't you think?

    blessings,
    kay

    ----- original message -----
    from: "jeremy weiland" <greenlantern113@...>

    i don't get it. <snip>


  5. #25
    Lesley Schultz Guest

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    hi kay:

    i can understand your not knowing what planet i'm
    presently living on [a lot of people have asked me
    that! ;-)] and how i can manage to not find a lot of
    strong polarization around me such that it isn't
    affecting my life. however, in reading your post it
    seems clear why you are experiencing the things you
    are in your environment: you've chosen to join the
    fray, although trying to move past it. i manage to
    live right now in relative peace and tranquility
    because i refuse to engage in dialogue that seems to
    act as a catalyst in the disharmony you're seeing. it
    is possible to have a discussion with people with
    strong opinions, yet let them know that you are more
    concerned with maintaining a respectful atmosphere
    towards each other than you are with arousing emotions
    and taking sides.

    ultimately, one's own opinions and feelings are one's
    own mental home, and every person has a perfect right
    to have them, no matter what they are. one can ask
    the reasons why and try to understand then they are
    given, but ultimately you don't change anyone's mind
    by the passion you display. if it is the choice of
    another person to cling to a viewpoint passionately,
    then so be it. if they give comfort to another
    person, there's nothing wrong with that, regardless of
    whether or not you agree with what they're thinking
    and feeling.

    i know you are aware of all this, but what you might
    not be aware of is that you are contributing to the
    polarization around you by being very polarized
    yourself. again, it's a case of your beliefs and
    wishes forming your environment. if you wish to
    cultivate an atmosphere of peace and love and oneness,
    then send this out. acting it out won't do it; the
    universe is holographic, doesn't reflect what you
    *think* but what you really believe, deep inside. if
    you really, truly and deeply believe that it matters
    who is president and what he does, then you will have
    both people that agree with you and people that
    challenge your beliefs come out of the woodwork. if
    you really, truly and deeply believe that all are one,
    that the plan of the one infinite creator is unfolding
    perfectly, that all is well, then you will reflect
    this also.

    i think that your beginning the thread about
    polarization was really a wonderful idea, as it gives
    us all a way to think about how we want to create our
    own realities. fourth density is coming, it will be
    positive, and it will unfold perfectly in accordance
    with the desires of the one, as represented by us.
    our fears and worries cannot disturb it, our anxieties
    and concerns cannot perturb it from its course, but as
    you correctly point out we can help it along by adding
    our own peace and love contributions to its coming.
    we do this by passive radiation of the knowledge that
    all is well, and the active love/light we share in our
    daily lives.

    in other words, we have larger fish to fry than one
    named bush and another named kerry. or, as the zen
    saying goes, "leaving the ladder, we may fall upward."

    good journey,
    ~lesley






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  6. #26
    Lesley Schultz Guest

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    hi marty:

    --- marty sorenson <marty85901@...> wrote>
    >snip>> this kind of polarization would lead to
    > only one result and that would be violence. look at
    > religion. the muslims and christians can never
    > coexist in peace with the current belief systems in
    > place. each one believing that they have the higher
    > power or higher cause. right now there is much
    > political polarization. the liberals are fighting
    > back tooth and nail with the conservatives. there
    > is more of a feeling of desperateness to it
    all.<<snip>>

    ls: i didn't say that there wasn't dissention and
    disharmony, only that i wasn't seeing it *in my life.*
    and i have people around me that are not allowing it
    to intrude into their lives either. it's a question of
    priorities.

    i gave up long ago on getting sucked into the climate
    of fear and desperation, of hopelessness and imminent
    cataclysm. i think it was fran or zee or sal, my
    favorite gurus, who wrote in that worry was sending
    energy into what possibility-pool of what you do not
    want to happen. if you can take the energy out of
    what you don't want to have happen, that lessens the
    possibility of it coming in to intrude on your present
    'reality.'

    love/light, like charity, begins at home, where you
    are. there may be nothing you can do all by yourself
    to determine the outcome of the election [except vote
    and remind others to do the same] but you can try to
    create an island of peace and tranquility and love for
    yourself-- and this will in turn attract others to you
    to reinforce that or to give you an opportunity to
    share that.

    as jeremy says, and has said many times, we are all
    creating 4d reality right now, for ourselves-- and
    ultimately we can only do it for ourselves and on a
    scale of one. 4d *starts* with us, and it is not up
    to us to figure out how to create it for the rest of
    the world. gaia and the logos of our solar system
    have created the local conditions that will dictate
    many of the features of our future 4d existence, but
    the finer points, the polish, is up to the 4d positive
    residents of this world. some of the exact nature of
    the 4d conditions we will not fully understand until
    they arrive/we can use them [e.g. the gaia social
    memory complex, which is birthed now but we're not
    quite ready as a species to make best use of it.]
    others we are creating now. maybe we are working on
    creating the zeitgeist, or the spirit of the age-- the
    aura of compassion and understanding that will
    characterize our lives here when ascension is
    complete. if this is so, then trying to radiate or
    spread compassion and understanding is something we
    could concentrate on now.

    i can't change the whole world. but i can make it
    pleasanter to deal with me, and easier to live with
    me. maybe this is how it starts.

    blessings, love and peace,
    ~lesley




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  7. #27
    Lesley Schultz Guest

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    my dear kyle:

    --- genoness1@... wrote:

    >snip>>i only know ive done well when i receive after
    > giving! mmmmmmm
    > thank you
    > love, me!!

    ls: love you, too, kyle dear. but did you know that,
    the closer we get to the oneness, the more we will be
    living without the mirror of receiving after we
    gift....the sun shines on us all the time but is
    seldom thanked, the rain and wind and earth support us
    but if we remember to thank them when we partake of
    their bounty during meals, this is pretty much all the
    thanks they get. the one gives without receiving, yet
    is content.

    i only say this, kyle, so that you realize how deeply
    special our mirrors are-- whether we get warm fuzzies
    and love back or rotten tomatoes. as we approach the
    oneness, when we are the fabric of the universe, where
    suns and galaxies are birthed from our 'flesh' and
    awareness that is our kith and kin is in potentiation
    in hydrogen atoms, drifting through space, we will
    know that we are all that is, complete, in perfect
    love/light.

    blessings,
    ~lesley

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  8. #28
    Kay Dayss Guest

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    brilliantly stated, ms. lealdragon! thank you for taking the time to express
    it so well.

    that is indeed something to focus our manifesting energy on -- that no
    matter who wins, there will be healing of some kind for the folks whose
    candidate doesn't win. i have no idea what that would look like for either
    side, but it is a good place to put our focus. we can dream on it. we can
    dance on it. we can walk the labyrinth on it. we can chant on it. we can
    meditate on it. we can pray on it. since we are all one, as we here draw
    forth some ideas from our dreams and meditations, we will be drawing forth
    those ideas for all of humanity. we are the hundredth monkey.

    once we have brought forth the healing ideas, we can send them
    telepathically to the winning candidate. just like we could pray on the
    hurricane to move it, we can pray on the winning candidate to move him to
    place a priority on healing the divisions with the wisdom that we bring
    forth from the universe.

    blessings,
    kay


    ----- original message -----
    from: "lealdragon" <lealdragon@...>

    <snip>

    what is unacceptable is for either candidate to win with such a division
    among the people. even tho i support kerry, i find it unaccptable that,
    should kerry win, all those fundamentalists will be extremely agitated. and,
    even tho i do not want bush to win, what is even more unacceptable than him
    winning is the continuation of the agitation and discord that will result
    regardless of who wins, since the losing side will be in an uproar.

    therefore, we cannot think in terms of 'oh, my candidate won, so everything
    will be peachy' since the candidate who loses is someone else's candidate,
    and that person is our other-self.

    we must get beyond the 'win or lose' mentality and seek peace between the 2
    sides, regardless of whom we vote for. how to do that? well, i'm open to
    suggestions, but it's a start just to realize that it is something to focus
    on. and, once we choose something, the doors will begin opening.


  9. #29
    Kay Dayss Guest

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    thanks, lesley.

    i really and truly believe both at the same time. that is, i "really, truly
    and deeply believe that it matters who is president and what he does" and i
    "really, truly and deeply believe that all are one, that the plan of the one
    infinite creator is unfolding perfectly, that all is well".

    sitting in paradox like this is actually easy for me as i have done it all
    my life. i know that i am contributing to the polarization and at the same
    time healing it. i make this choice because i believe that it is crucial
    that we bring it all out in the open to be healed.

    i don't see it as an "either or" ... for me it is both polarization and
    love/light/perfect as is. we local selves are here, i think for this very
    reason, so that we can have these polarizations and heal them/whole them --
    that is, make them holy.

    i once had a dream about this. where there was this woman from outer space
    who could not stand on her own because she was full of holes like swiss
    cheese. i had to carry her with me everywhere i went, but i didn't mind
    because she was pure love and it was wonderful to be near her. upon
    awakening, when i was trying to figure out the dream, i kept asking myself
    questions similar to "why would i dream about a woman from outer space who
    is full of holes?" then i finally asked myself the question that contained
    the answer, "why would i dream about a holy woman?" my dreams are often full
    of word play. now i do carry the holy woman with me wherever i go. she is my
    internal representation of the law of one. i have a degree in political
    science and i am an ordained minister. somehow it works for me especially
    when brilliant other selves like ms. lealdragon give me a wonderful focus
    that works.


    ----- original message -----
    from: "lesley schultz" <msthoth@...>

    <snip> ... you are contributing to the polarization around you by being very
    polarized yourself. <snip>


  10. #30
    Ed Guest

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    lealdragon wrote:

    [snip all but this part]

    > yet, i did find myself in a difficult situation shortly after a very
    > difficult birth - i was simply not ready yet for another child. i was
    > shocked that i even considered the abortion option. this allowed me
    > to have compassion for women in similar situations, while at the same
    > time i knew that abortion was just not something i could do. but
    > neither could i have another child at that time!
    >
    > my strong beliefs prevailed and i very consciously asserted my choice
    > that i was not willing to have an abortion, but i was also not
    > willing to be pregnant again.
    >
    > a very interesting thing happened when i reached this threshold of
    > refusing to choose between 2 unacceptable options: a 3rd option
    > miraculouisly appeared, and it turned out that i was not pregnant
    > after all. (either that or i miscarried, since i was very certain
    > that i was pregnant.) this was one of the most profound moments of my
    > life. i realized that i had just transcended a major limitation of
    > believing that there were only 2 options to choose from, and had
    > actually participated in the creative process of opening up a new
    > reality.
    >
    it's my understanding of how these things work that a soul
    planning to incarnate sets up parenting agreements with one or both
    parents. (often the souls' plan is that the parents will split and one
    will be mainly responsible for parenting. nearly always you have past
    life experiences with the parent(s) with whom there are agreement(s)
    because, if you think about it, neither parent nor baby wants the
    other soul to be some total atranger.

    in your case, when you deeply felt you did not want to have another
    child, that got through to the soul of the fetus and that soul let it
    go, out of love and friendship for you, as well as the common sense
    knowledge that it would probably not be fun being an unwanted child.
    (though often souls will set up this situation in order to replay or
    pay back karma.)

    some miscarriages happen by this process. if you were to have another
    child that soul might well, but not necessarily, come back as your
    baby. that would depend on whatever the history and agreements between
    the souls is.

    when abortions happen it is not a problem for the soul that would have
    inhabited the fetus. that soul has chosen to experience that very
    brief sort of life, knowing from the astral that this was going to
    happen, rather than a regular life.

    all the best, ed


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