Polarization in America

[GenoNess1@...]

in a message dated 9/26/2004 12:36:22 pm pacific daylight time, kay@...
writes:
do you have ideas on how we can bring the people together?

focus on the things we have in common (there are more than meets the
eye/i/identity i promise you) immediately creates unity...whether it is one side
focusing on this or both...it changes things immediately. my second reaction to
your question is...how can you bring these people together in yourself? in your
own heart. this is the way to reveal the actions to be taken in the outer
universe. the truth of the situation is...you cannot make something happen. you
cannot control...you can only allow. you can only allow yourself to feel a
certain way. this i know that you, and many of us, have grounded in our
awareness.
the next natural progression of this awareness, in my feeling, is to realize
truth and self-confidence with this knowledge...let the feeling begin to guide
you. i am reminded of the chakra system...of the natural progression of
creation...the map of the cosmos in our bodies. the first chakra relating to
your
feeling...the grounding of allowing feeling. as i just commented on. the next
progression relating to the next chakra...letting that feeling create
desire...creating a foundation and then opening to the possibilities...the
value.
feeling the value is key to understanding what it means to you...letting it
guide
you. next, i feel, is acting in consistency with this desire...which, by now
since you ahve 2 aspects of the cosmos in alignment with your identity, shouldnt
be hard to perceive...at this point you are just doing what feels right.
something i feel is important to remember at this point is that...when you are
aligning yourself with these aspects of creation...creation is, by proxy,
aligning
itself with you...and so each progression of alignment will manifest to you
as the world in action.

so i realize that you are looking for a scheme, an organization, a rhyme and
reason, something to do that is tangible to bring this polarazation to
balance...resolution to the 'conflict'. the first thing that is the most
tangible and
real for me...is grounding the understanding that acceptance of what you
observe (which in reality is a creation of your inner world) is the most
powerful
step to creating inner peace. inner peace=>outer peace.

i believe that my intention has been set and followed through for this
response...it feels like i was just reaching out to offer you hope. i dont know
waht
else to say. i dont have a plan to organize the lightworkers across the
world. all i know is that, the divine map in all of us is flawless. and by this,
lightworkers and 'bush supporters' are one in the perception that i allow myself
to ground - in my head and my heart and my experience. love all-ways, kyle!


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[GenoNess1@...]

polarity is an aspect of reality that never changes. it is part of the nature
of reality. if can only be allowed, understood, and transcended upon that
awareness/understanding. balance is.

pain...is a guide. pain cannot be healed (made whole) without being felt. so
the extent to which you wish to heal, is the extent to which you must feel
pain>>>i fully believe that although this is true, with the awareness of this
truth comes the possibility of 'lubricating' the mind and body (be it your
mind.body, mine, ours, the earths, or the collective reality) with the
understanding
of this awareness and thus making the process of feeling and releasing pain
'softened'.


"and then the people came together"

people can only choose to feel togetherness. you perceive a reality in which
the people are polarized and separate...because this is how you feel on the
inside about the issue. torn. i honestly feel as if the people are not separate.
the polarity is only an aspect of unity. polarity lies within unity and so
wihtout unity there is no polarity. unity underlies all polarities.

i feel that the 'fear chasm' does indeed motivate us to return to unity.
because taht is what feels good. it is right. but doubt will always exist until
you surrender to not needing control. not needing to heal. "wanting" to heal is
the state of acknowledging that you are not healed. and there is no healing in
wanting. there is only healing in wanting and allowing together. this is how
awareness becomes nurtured...this to me is the essence of the breath of life.

we are the breath of the universe...and sometimes it needs to cough. there is
no use fighting it for that only prolongs the suffering and pain of the
cough. as i said above: " so the extent to which you wish to heal, is the extent
to
which you must feel pain>>>i fully believe that although this is true, with
the awareness of this truth comes the possibility of 'lubricating' the mind and
body " the 'softening'. not 'supressing'...the aprreciation...the gratitude.
this is just my reality. i am doing what i can to nurture this love of myself
in order to more fully express my love!! love allways!!


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[Kay Dayss]

do you have ideas on how we can bring the people together?

yesterday i had an interesting talk with my friend who think
all my loo stuff is just a bunch of nonsense. we were
talking about the great polarization in america that exists
right now exemplified by the election, rich/poor/no middle
class thing, and the fear mongering. i even see it within
the pagan community between the 'goddess' people and the
'magikal' people. the polarization is everywhere including
in us. neither of us can understand how nice, caring,
intelligent, educated, not-rich people can support bush. and
the bush supports can't understand why we don't support
bush.

my friend thinks that we are headed toward a civil war of
some kind because of the intensity of the polarization. i
told him that i didn't think we'd have a civil war, and he
said that maybe that was true but that something was going
to happen.

i personally think that something is going to be related to
the ascension/harvest, but i also know that it would not be
helpful for me to say that to him. i know that he thinks it
is baloney. but i feel his pain, and the pain of many who
are suffering in the polarization occurring everywhere at
this time. i feel helpless to help ease this pain. to me, it
feels like a big hole in my heart.

this morning i was thinking about this polarization and hole
in my heart when the image of the hurricane/tornado type of
storm came to mind. here is wind with two opposing
directions coming together in a destructive swirl dance with
a hole in the middle. i wonder if we all put our focus on
healing/wholing/filling the hole, would that ease the
destructive swirling, the destructive "going around in
circles" that we've all been doing in these polarized "i
can't understand you" times?

maybe the something that will happen will be more earth
changes. maybe that is the only way that we will come
together. but i hope not. i hope that we will find ways to
come together and heal the whole in our collective heart.

do you have ideas on how we can bring the people together?

blessings,
kay


















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[alphacentauri_1999]

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> do you have ideas on how we can bring the people together?

maybe there is no need or reason at all to bring people together if
the grand plan is for many various realities to split off of this one.
from what i've observed, everything on this planet is geared
or "programmed" to produce exactly this type of result.
trees even compete with each other for sunlight.
polarization simply sorts people into the particular "frequency" that
they are most comfortable in.

[Kay Dayss]

yes, i agree, but there is the pain of it all. it is painful to be in our
"comfort zones". doesn't this seem odd to you?

what is the purpose of the pain if not to motivate us to seek union and
wholeness? and isn't seeking union the whole thing with the law of one?
also, the polarization is not along the lines of what seems to be the
harvest/sto/sts lines that one would expect. there are harvestable sto other
selves in the "i love bush" polarity. i suspect that there are even
wanderers on this forum who are in the bush camp. this is the part i just
cannot understand.

what is the purpose of this polarity? the only purpose i can see is to shake
us up enough so that we see the destructive power of polarity itself and so
that we are motivated to heal the hole (or the 'fear chasm') of the split
that is keeping us away from each other. does seeing all the separation help
us see the value in coming together?

i don't know! i really feel the need to bring the people together. i'm doing
what i can with the freecycling and the gifting economy, but i'm wondering
if others have ideas on how to bring the people together.

when i project my consciousness forward on this timeline to a time when we
have transitioned to 4d earth, and then i look back to see how it came to
be, i see that the first step was:

and then the people came together!

but i don't see how that was accomplished. i'm hoping that we will do it now
rather than wait for 8 more years of increasing polarization.

do you have any ideas? please share them no matter how silly you might
think they are. i believe that in our forum, we do know how. we just need to
call forth our collective wisdom.

blessings,
kay

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from: "alphacentauri_1999" <alphacentauri22@...>

maybe there is no need or reason at all to bring people together if
the grand plan is for many various realities to split off of this one.
polarization simply sorts people into the particular "frequency" that
they are most comfortable in.

[marty sorenson]

hi kay. kyle gave an outstanding reply to this question. i can add only a few
points. the polarization must happen. welcome it, as it will facilitate
important change in people. i observed my parents life of turmoil as they
watched their 8 boys fall from grace in their eyes. they took it personal. i
felt much the same when raising my three kids watching them do stupid things and
make choices i thought were insane. i had to resort to unconditional love and
acceptance. it was a lesson for me as much as theirs.

the polarization will continue and get much worse that it is now. do you think
that if kerry gets elected that the bush supporters will give in? throw their
hands in the air and say ok, water under the bridge. let's all roll up our
sleeves and get busy as a nation! of course not, and the same goes if bush gets
elected. more polarization will occur along with more personal strife. more
terrorists will be breeded, civil unrest will occur, and the markets will fall.
it will look like hell. its going to be more than earth changes that will get
things going. everything that is not aligned, will be aligned! but this can be
a good thing if you look at the changes as a necessary component. the people
that die from all this will simply go to a safe place to watch the show.

there will be a time soon when your friend will come to the conclusion that his
perceptions might need some tweaking and you may be the one to supply him with
the tools.

so i submit that the best way to accomodate change in others is to be a living
example of how to live. people may come to this realization: "wait a minute. my
life has been a total nightmare and as far as i can tell everyone elses is too.
the world is going to hell in a handbasket and there's kay sitting all pretty
and happy. got things going on. how does she do it?" wouldn't it be something if
people came to you and said: "kay dear. what am i doing wrong? teach me. i'm
ready".

secondly, the loving, inspired, intelligent, gifted, enlightened group i call
us, has the ability to receive all the ideas and inspiration we need in this
life. our inner wisom has it all. if we live our own lives in synchronicity,
tapped into the flow--if we are living the flow then the ideas and inspirations
will flow spontaneously, thereby allowing us to come up with solutions for
others also. so the best way to help others is to keep yourself connected to
your inner wisdom. i'm there but unfortunately it only happens 2 days out of
the week. when i get to seven days, i will be happy. marty


kay dayss <kay@...> wrote:

do you have ideas on how we can bring the people together?


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[GenoNess1@...]

beautiful and heartwarming kay :-d


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[Kay Dayss]

thank you kyle and marty! your messages were very helpful and sparked an
answer for me as to the question of why. it came to me in the car just now.
we have the painful polarization during this time of transformation because
people are holding on to "the known" with all their might. they are too
afraid to let go. so, as the hopi elders pointed out so beautifully, people
are afraid to let go of the shore and are suffering as they bang up against
the rocks. what we need to do is, as always, the same: we need to let go.

for me, this is interesting as i make letting go a daily task. however,
yesterday when i told my friend that i was fine with whoever won and that i
was voting for kucinich because he is the only one i'm for, my friend said
that that sounded like apathy to him. i told him that i could see how it
would sound like apathy to others, but to me it was trust; i trust the
universe so much that whatever happens in the election, i know it will be
perfect. then i started to think about how much pain everyone was in with
all the polarization, and i started to feel that i should do something to
ease their pain.

but now i see that the answer is not about doing anything; the answer is to
just be with them so that when they do decide to let go of their
white-knuckled grip, there will be someone there with them. it doesn't have
to be so painful; all they have to do is let go. but i know how hard it is
to let go. i go through it every day.

maybe the something that my friend felt was going to happen because of the
polarization will be that masses of people will let go together. wouldn't
that be something! woooo hoooo!!! that is the vision i'm going to hold.
for example, what if everyone refused to go to war? 8-)

blessings,
kay

[raistlinflux]

> there will be a time soon when your friend will come to the
conclusion that his perceptions might need some tweaking and you may
be the one to supply him with the tools.
>

v: i agree with you, and hope that when the time comes and the people
that know and trust me, at least, come to me for help, instead of
taking me as i am for my weird beliefs, then i hope i can help them
out with my knowledge of all this, that this group of ours is
striving to understand and share with others.

.
.
.
.
>secondly, the loving, inspired, intelligent, gifted, enlightened
group i call us, has the ability to receive all the ideas and
inspiration we need in this life. our inner wisom has it all. if we
live our own lives in synchronicity, tapped into the flow--if we are
living the flow then the ideas and inspirations will flow
spontaneously, thereby allowing us to come up with solutions for
others also.


v: as for placing us in a group of inspired, intelligent, gifted, and
enlightened group, i must say i do not subscribe. i don't believe
that making us stand apart, or as an elite, will serve any purpose
than to cause, even on a superficial level, disunity.
i think that even though we know all this "ra stuff", we have no
right to claim that we are better, and see things more clearly than
anyone else. the most inspired philosopher was never ever any better
or above the most ignorant and blind pauper on the streets, that is,
if you care to consider the infinity and unity of the one infinite
creator. there i said it.
i think life is like a hiking trip, some of us just happen to find
better road-maps, but we all get to the finish line anyway!

as an asside, i sometimes feel that i wish whatever is supposed to
happen starts happening sooner, so that instead of having to go
through the pathetic work, money, society rituals that we all must
adhere to just to be considered normal, hard-working people, i could
start puting my knowledge in application, and see how little i really
know! or how much!

love is all

and as siddhartha's last words said: "impermantent are all created
things; strive on with awareness!"

vlad

[Daniel Moeck]

hi kay,

at 02:43 pm 9/26/2004, you wrote:
> i suspect that there are even
>wanderers on this forum who are in the bush camp. this is the part i just
>cannot understand.

i fit the description of a wanderer, and if bush and kerry were the only
dogs in this race i would clearly choose bush. since we have conversed
quite a bit off-forum i thought my opposing view on this subject might be
particularly useful to you.

i take comfort in the broader perspective that tells me everything in this
universe is in perfect order. we are 6 billion individuals on this planet
each with different perspectives and different lessons we are working on.
we also have a group lesson to learn in polarization. i see that we are an
important extension of the one which is exploring, and in a sense,
developing unknown territories of itself. i don't see polarization as a bad
thing at all, but as a necessary vehicle for reaching our ultimate goal.

there is divine beauty behind polarization in that it is destined to give
way to unity. there is even divine humor in it when you step back and watch
our political polarizations from a space of neutrality. we are not, as some
have said, just a bunch of spiritual outlaws, born in sin, and headed for
self-annihilation and then hell. we are individualized sparks of the one on
an important group mission which includes each of our personal missions. we
are all going to make it!

>what is the purpose of this polarity? the only purpose i can see is to shake
>us up enough so that we see the destructive power of polarity itself and so
>that we are motivated to heal the hole (or the 'fear chasm') of the split
>that is keeping us away from each other. does seeing all the separation help
>us see the value in coming together?
>
>i don't know! i really feel the need to bring the people together. i'm doing
>what i can with the freecycling and the gifting economy, but i'm wondering
>if others have ideas on how to bring the people together.

yes. just in the short time i have been on this list i have moved from a
place of feeling pain and despair about the split, as you are expressing,
to a place of confidence that i am actually doing exactly what i came here
to do. i came here to learn to live the loo. i don't have the intelligence
to know how to heal the split beyond that. for me loo is not a "cause" to
champion or preach. it is a body of understanding that brings inner peace.
i go about my daily affairs with a genuine smile on my face because i am at
peace with myself and at peace with the world around me. this draws people
to ask me all kinds of questions to find out why i am not in a state of
fear and frustration with life in general like they are. so i tell them how
i see things and understanding has a chance to grow.

l&l,

daniel moeck