2012 - a metaphor, not a date

[Kay Dayss]

there has been talk lately about how the 2012 date can't be
trusted as accurate. i don't think the "scientific accuracy"
of the date matters. it is enough for me that so many
prophesies point to this date -- the ra material, many other
channeled materials, the inka, the hopi, and other
indigenous peoples.

i believe that 2012 is a metaphoric story in the same vein
as the hundredth monkey story. of course it is not the exact
100th monkey. i know there are many who don't believe in the
hundredth monkey effect, but having seen it so many times,
i'm not one of them.

i believe that it is our focus on 2012 brought about by all
the prophesies and our own personal experiences that
actually eases our journey with earth into 4d and our
letting go of 3d. as with everything in my world, it is the
journey with focus on the destination, not the destination
itself.

i have a hard time believing that the 3d folks who choose to
stay in 3d will suddenly disappear. i've tried that on and
it just doesn't fit for me. i think they will just leave
naturally by not reincarnating here on earth after they die.
i also believe that those of us alive right now who are
choosing 4d are physically transforming right now. i posted
the symptoms of this here but it was rejected because of
length, so if you want to see the symptoms sign up on the
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the symptoms are very interesting. i'm sure you're recognize
them in yourselves.

i know that some of you don't believe that we'll be able to
physically transform to 4d in our current bodies, but i do
believe it. i think that is part of the reason we have so
many ets watching now. i believe i remember that ra said
that we would die and then be reborn in 4d bodies, and of
course i agree with that too. but i do think that it is
possible that we will be the first species to be able to
transform from 3d to 4d within a single incarnation. yes, i
think that our 4d physicality will be a primitive form of 4d
physicality. i think if carla's ra was coming through today,
that they would agree. i don't think it was probable in the
80s when ra was looking at our current situation then. i
think that it is possible today because of all the light and
love we have brought in throughout the last 20 years and
because so many of us are awake about what is happening so
we can keep from scaring ourselves to death over the
physical dna changes that are happening to us.

just my pennies,
kay











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[marty sorenson]

kay said: i have a hard time believing that the 3d folks who choose to stay in
3d will suddenly disappear. i've tried that on and it just doesn't fit for me. i
think they will just leave
naturally by not reincarnating here on earth after they die.



marty says: i've wondered about what happens with the continual flow of "new
souls" coming into 3d every day. children! it doesn't seem that the flow will
stop natually if new souls are populating our world increasingly everyday. who
are the new children? 4d souls already? 3d souls? marty






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[Kay Dayss]

well, marty, it is my opinion that the children being born now are dual
souls -- both 3d and 4d. that's why they are so telepathic and tend to get
add-like diagnosis's. they're living in both worlds. but that is just my
opinion.

blessings,
kay


----- original message -----
from: "marty sorenson" <marty85901@...>

marty says: i've wondered about what happens with the continual flow of
"new souls" coming into 3d every day. children! it doesn't seem that the
flow will stop natually if new souls are populating our world increasingly
everyday. who are the new children? 4d souls already? 3d souls? marty

[Unknown]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "kay dayss" <kay@d...> wrote:
>
> there has been talk lately about how the 2012 date can't be
> trusted as accurate. i don't think the "scientific accuracy"
> of the date matters. it is enough for me that so many
> prophesies point to this date -- the ra material, many other
> channeled materials, the inka, the hopi, and other
> indigenous peoples.

i agree there but the science is pretty supporting.
it's a fact that the earth, the sun and the center of the galaxy will
be aligned on 21/12/2012 and that the maya's knew about this once in a
26000 years event in their time. it's very intresting how other
civilizations came to the same date and even people from modern times
that got to the same date without even knowing about the mayan
calender for example terrence mckenna.
how this alignment can influence the earth is pretty good explained in
david wilcock his work, for me it seems pretty logical if the sun can
influence the earth why couldn't the center of the galaxy influence
the sun.

peace & joy
Unknown

[Lesley Schultz]

dear Unknown:

--- unknown <Unknown@...>
wrote:

> snip>>> i agree there but the science is pretty
supporting. it's a fact that the earth, the sun and
the center of the galaxy will be aligned on 21/12/2012
and that the maya's knew about this once in a 26000
years event in their time. <<snip>>

ls: Unknown, i think you're correct. not every
important event occurs gradually, over many years.
birth, for example. most women give birth, once labor
commences and the water breaks, in about a day.
immediately, new life enters the world. everything is
different in the lives of the parent(s), and the child
has a miraculous, wonderful adventure that is just
beginning, with the single step of exit the mother's
womb and breathing the outside air. birth is a
natural process, and in order for it go to well it
should happen quickly. death can be quick also.
shall we ask the late christopher reeve how fast one's
life can change drastically [although i'm sad that we
no longer have the joy of his physical presence in our
world, when he's added so much to it, i am terribly
happy that he is now free to do things that superman
can hardly have dreamed of. how wonderful for us that
we will enjoy his presence again in the new world we
get to live in!] from dawn to dusk takes a definite
amount of time, depending on the season. there really
are things called deadlines.

i don't know if december 21, 2012 is going to be the
official birthday of the new 4d world, but i think it
will be somewhere round that date. the reason i think
that there will be an event [not the entire
transformation of all mankind at once, as this is
happening now and gradually, but some really
marvellous, rapid event] is because our planet will
have to align with the new energies that are coming
from the center of our galaxy. we haven't aligned yet.
we haven't aligned yet because we haven't reached the
threshold of social consciousness where it is more 4d
than 3d. when we align, the axis of the earth will be
different. it has to, to accomodate the direction of
the new electro-magnetic energies coming in.

i don't think anyone, even those of ra, are saying
that mankind will be transformed instantaneously, like
someone hitting each of us with a magic wand and
*bing* we're 4th density. but we could have an
energetic event that helps put over the top those that
just needed a bit more *umph* to get there. and it
might feel like a wonderful, spiritual-energy
experience to those that are more 4d than 3d. the
point is, after that point, if you're alive on the
earth, you're 4th density.

that's my interpretation, for the little it's worth.

good journey,
~lesley

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[infinitelybanta]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "kay dayss" <kay@d...> wrote:
>
> well, marty, it is my opinion that the children being born now are
dual
> souls -- both 3d and 4d. that's why they are so telepathic and tend
to get
> add-like diagnosis's. they're living in both worlds. but that is
just my
> opinion.
>
> blessings,
> kay
>


it's also possible that some of the children being born now have, in
a manner of speaking, little possibility of "going 4d," but being
present on the earth as a 3d entity at this time(even if only for a
short time) provides them with unique learning experiences that the
entities could not acquire elsewhere.

and with that, i introduce myself to the forum. good day everyone.

~terry

[Chris Hamilton]

in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "kay dayss" <kay@d...> wrote:
>> well, marty, it is my opinion that the children being born now are dual
>> souls -- both 3d and 4d. >> blessings, kay
---------------------------
chris here... i have quoted below what ra said in book, session 63, because
you have followed very closely ra's explanation:
questioner: i will make this statement and have you correct me. what we have
is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major
galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the
fourth-density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. these atomic
core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the
fourth-density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for
inhabitation of that sphere. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is partially correct. to be corrected is the concept of
the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. this creation will be
gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of
physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by
evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.

questioner: then are these entities of whom we have spoken, the
third-density harvestable who have been transferred, the ones who then will,
by bisexual reproduction, create the fourth-density complexes that are
necessary?

ra: i am ra. the influxes of true color green energy complexes will more and
more create the conditions in which the atomic structure of cells of bodily
complexes is that of the density of love. the mind/body/spirit complexes
inhabiting these physical vehicles will be, and to some extent, are, those
of whom you spoke and, as harvest is completed, the harvested entities of
this planetary influence.

ra is saying here that thru normal reproduction, our children will evolve
into 4th density at the cellular (dna) level with a 3d physical body. these
are i think what kay is talking about when she says dual souls. chris

[Kay Dayss]

thanks for the quote, chris! i didn't even know that the ra agreed with me.
i go a little further though. i believe that when the harvestable graduate
to 4d, we will through intent begin the dna modifications and have primitive
4d bodies. i believe that we are forming these 4d bodies right now. and the
kids being born today will be born with the ability to easily shift into
their own primitive 4d bodies because their 4d bodies are already on -- we
just can't see them in 3d. i believe that for us -- the adults -- it will be
like a light switch -- an enlightenment -- when we go from 3d-advanced to
4d-primitive bodies. each new generation will be a little more 4d. so yes, i
agree with what ra is saying that it will happen gradually as our bodies
catch up to our being.

i imagine that many of you have had many 4d experiences already in your
current 3d bodies -- telepathy, shape shifting, remote viewing, connections
that can't really be put into words, and so on. i believe that these
experiences are making real changes to our bodies that cannot be seen in 3d
but that will become obvious when we move from 3d to 4d.

blessings,
kay


----- original message -----
from: "chris hamilton" <chris.hamilton2@...>

ra is saying here that thru normal reproduction, our children will evolve
into 4th density at the cellular (dna) level with a 3d physical body. these
are i think what kay is talking about when she says dual souls. chris

[Chris Hamilton]

from: "kay dayss" <kay@...>
> thanks for the quote, chris! i didn't even know that the ra agreed with
> me. i go a little further though. i believe that when the harvestable
> graduate to 4d, we will through intent begin the dna modifications and
> have primitive 4d bodies.

chris here: this is a little awkward for me here, because i must say
something that will probably upset you kay. i don't mean to upset you, but
your sentences here are seemingly very self-centered, don't you think? here
you are in a group that studies ra and you say that you "didn't even know
that the ra agreed with me". i think you have it backwards. we are supposed
to be finding passages from ra that we can comment on that we discuss. not
try to make others fit your own personal ideas into the group. "oh! i
matched ra!" no, no, that is not the purpose of this group. the purpose is
to take passages from ra and discuss how to apply them in our lives.

so, you do this with your 4d idea...no reference to ra, just your idea of
what is correct. it's almost hit or miss that you will parallel ra
sometimes. it's fine that you have your own ideas about what evolution and
dna changes bring in, but you need to reference ra more, or you are simply
promoting your own beliefs without regard for our studies on asc2k. anyone
can say what they 'think', but applying ra is what is important on this
site. there are plenty of other sites where you can say what you 'think'.

i have never seen you quote ra or ask anything about any of the passages,
which leads me to the conclusion that you really don't want to study the
material. you can be such a good teacher! so help us study ra. unless you
don't want to...then, of course, you are really in the wrong group. chris

[Unknown]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com, "chris hamilton" <chris.hamilton2@v...>
wrote:
> ra is saying here that thru normal reproduction, our children will
> evolve into 4th density at the cellular (dna) level with a 3d
> physical body. these are i think what kay is talking about when she
> says dual souls. chris

how does ra means this?
does ra means it like this reproduction/evolution is already under way
and that it will be completed when 4d "really" starts in 2012?
or will the adaptation begin from that point.
cause ra said in the books that earth is already in 4d, that the 4d
energies are already more accesible and much people are reincarnating
with 4d potential and being "a new breed".
i don't know the exact quote.
i guess it's something that can be interpretated on many ways and
isn't really important to.
sorry for the bad english it's not my best writing english day

peace and joy
Unknown