instreaming light

[darktemplarssj]

i was thinking about the in-streaming light that ra talks about. it
seems from my experiences that these in-streaming rays are manifest
when you feel a chill or a tingle. sometimes i will feel like "this
is so beautiful" and get a chill from it, or "there is so much love
in this situation" and get a chill from it. it seems like these
would be blue?/indigo? and green in-streamings from my perspective.
does anyone know if this is correct or have any other comments on
it?
-dave

[madonnafra]

like a tap from a cosmic magic wand. all love and appreciation for who we
are and what we can be.
love and blessings,
gayle
gs5555
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[Trevor Traub]

dear group,

darktemplarssj <whited4@...> wrote:
<i was thinking about the in-streaming light that ra <talks about. it
<seems from my experiences that these in-streaming rays <are manifest
<when you feel a chill or a tingle.>

i know exactly what you are talking about!! it has happend to me ever since i
was a kid. the most frequent time it happens to me is during music where there
is a bulid to a big dynamic transition and then ahhhh...... tingly feeling..
when my girlfriend and i talk about how we are ment for each other i get it and
less frequently when i have an oppifany or i discover an answer that i have been
searching for, suddenly dawns on me.

i too, have pondered instreaming light being the cause for this feeling. i mean
that's what it feels like is happening. it usualy starts at the base of my neck
a works itself to a climax at the top of my head. the more intense ones start
lower and are slower to rise to my head.

i have associated this with the opening of the crown chakra, again because thats
what i imagin it would feel like. but these are just my thoughts. im glad this
happens to someone else because everyone i say anything to, just looks at me
fuuny. if anyone knows what this is exactly or has a better idea of this
instreaming energy and what it feels like, please share.

love and light all!

trevor



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[Tofu Dragon]

sounds a lot like kundalin energy! =)


> i too, have pondered instreaming light being the
> cause for this feeling. i mean that's what it feels
> like is happening. it usualy starts at the base of
> my neck a works itself to a climax at the top of my
> head. the more intense ones start lower and are
> slower to rise to my head.
>
> love and light all!
>
> trevor


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[mawk]

hi one & all,

it is my understanding and experience that would suggest that you are
experiencing your subtle energy body. with practice you can actually envoke
this vibration you describe. usually you need to do quite a bit of work on
your secondary chakras before you open up the primary ones, it seems a
strong emotive event also does this to some degree. while in meditation i
draw energy up in the same way as you describe and get similar vibrations.
the vibration also get finer the higher the densities you access. it is
possible to take this further and separate from the physical body though i
usually loose consciousnes at this stage. while some fear this experience i
love it as in my mind it shows me my connection to the one:-)

for some good details on this practice and its applications take a look at
http://www.astralpulse.com/. this site is by a fellow aussie, robert bruce
and is generally free from religious overtones and offers practical advice.
i was quite active in the early days of his initial internet forum but it
just got to busy for me. the links to the downloads and training provide a
wealth of information it is just up to you to put it into practice. his book
astral dynamics is very good imho.

while far from an adept if you have any questions please ask and i will do
my best to point you in the right direction.

someone provided an interesting link a week or two ago to a review of john
peniel's book, "the children of the law of one & the lost teachings of
atlantis". has anyone read it and what are you views on it?

cheers,

mawk

[Jason Wharton]

> someone provided an interesting link a week or two ago to a review of john
> peniel's book, "the children of the law of one & the lost teachings of
> atlantis". has anyone read it and what are you views on it?

i read it and even went to maui to meet with their group. the book had a lot
of information that was new to me at the time but i've since found in other
places for the most part. but, when i read it there were some very good
parts that rang my inner bells.

the author claims to have gone to a secret monestary in tibet somewhere and
been paired up with a true teacher who more or less brought him into an
"enlightened" state. meaning he passed through the living death and defeated
his dweller, etc.

his mission was to publish a book with many of the monestary's teachings and
bring in a new order of things to society. this group at the monestary
claims to be the source of all positive movements in culture and development
of mankind. like positive watchers, if you will, but in the flesh.

he claims to have called himself jon peniel prior to knowing anything about
the edgar cayce prophesy. in many ways he does indeed look to fulfill
certain things which were fortold but the confusing part is that he suffered
a strage death last year. one of his elder monks said he just "stopped".
whatever mission he had, his time simply seemed to run out.

my experience with the group when meeting them you will want to take with a
grain of salt. i found them to be kind on the surface but the longer and
more i interacted with them the more they would degrade and insult aspects
of my culture and beliefs and then simply insult and degrade me personally.
perhaps they felt it was necessary for my growth and they were doing me a
favor. i was starting to feel very manipulated and for certain was accused
of things that were not true. they were not at all the kind, loving and
harmless people they purported to be in the book. i found them to be
presumptuous, arrogant and selfish. our relationship deteriorated to where
we parted ways and my wife and i enjoyed maui as tourists and met other very
exciting people who were far more spiritual, kind and loving than this
outfit claiming to be the epitome of such.

when i look back on it, i would have fared much better if i had constrained
myself to asking questions and let them present their ideas in their own
context. i'm pretty sure i just annoyed the hell out of them. out of
insecurity i dominated the context for our conversations.

my assessment of jon is either he truly is as magnificient as he claims to
be and i am just too blind, folish or immature to appreciate it fully.
(which i do seriously consider as a possibility.) or, at some point in his
life he experienced some awfully intense drug trips, mystical experiences,
et programming or something of the sort, and he has gone on with an agenda
to a self-serving end. to my knowledge, nobody was ever "enlightened" via
having him as a true teacher and he is now dead so nobody ever was or will
be by him.

i think someone ought to write a history of him because he would make an
excellent study case on self-proclaimed "gurus", "messiahs", "saviors", etc.
or whatever you want to call someone who claims to have all the answers and
you only get back by submitting yourself entirely, 100% to their agenda. pay
particular attention to his section in his book on programming. i believe he
is a master programmer/brainwasher and i narrowly escaped with my life's
order and family intact. who knows to what extent i would have been reeled
in if i had caved to his pressures and manipulations.

my position is, read the material with an open, yet discerning mind and
heart. there is a lot of good information in there. jon has produced other
materials that his organization continues to sell like music, health related
products, other books, etc. i really hope he did mean well in all he did. i
think it is possible, just according to his own terms. i was ready for no
such thing.

regards,
jason wharton

[Beverly Thompson]

dear asc2k friends:
i would like to add that sometimes the "tingle" can be a sort of communication
from spirit (which is a general term i use for higher self, guides, angels, et
friends, etc). they are capable of sending energy which registers in our subtle
bodies as a "tingle." i also get lots of "tweaks" which i call a little itch on
the end of my nose. they like to do that especially when my hands are full and
can't scratch my nose! they have a good sense of humor! ha!
healing love,
bev

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[mawk]

dear jason,

thank-you for your wonderfully insightful views and also for sharing your
"maui" experience (among others) with such naked honesty, i very much
respect and appreciate that.

you raise an interesting issue concerning the people who purported to be the
students of the law of one. your experience reminds me of a similar
experience where i met a melchizedek healer and we had a very strong
meditation together (for me anyway) and in the meditation i got the image of
the golden merkaba for the first time. later i found it was a significant
aspect of their order. some others who also saw him also considered he
initially was very good as a healer but later had doubts because as they put
it, he didn't "walk the talk" or put another way he didn't practice what he
preached.

the point i am trying to get too is i doubt that anyone has managed to be
100% service to others for a whole life time. if we are to take the bible
literally, then even jc himself "lost it" with the money changes. while i
can fully empathises with his actions, on another level i can see how the
money changes provided the catalyst for many to seek greater meaning in
their lives than just materialism. in a sense the money lenders are still
doing the same today and while we generally focus on the sts aspect to their
behaviour it may also result in changing people to a more altruistic (sto)
approach to life. in a sense the buddhist idea of detachment, was for me, an
interesting concept to contemplate when exploring moral dilemmas such as
this.

one idea that gives me great hope is that, if the notion of a "selfish gene"
was all conquering, then our species would have been extinct long ago. some
social survival aspect must kick in when sts behaviour becomes dominant and
the system of the day fails its people. i sense we are approaching such a
crossroad and personally look forward to the change while at the same time
trying to appreciate the love in the moment (with limited success i might
add).

i think i might put this book into my reading list along with a revisit of
the ra material for my summer reading. it may be interesting to compare the
two as supposedly they would come from a similar source if genuine. thanks
again jason.

cheers,

mawk

[Philip Belanger]

to: mawk

i am one of those people that have read and studied jon peniel book, the
lost teachings of atlantis about the children of the law of one. his
presentation of the teachings is done in a very effective manner but you
have to read and re-read the book many times to receive the full effect.
jon has now passed on and other monks and adepts continue the teachings. the
book is well worth the effort to read and study for an;yone interested in
david w. works and writings.

philip belanger
iap@...

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[David Wilcock]

group,

for the record, since it has been coming up here and there recently, i
do not in support the "jon peniel" material in any way, shape or form. i
highly doubt that its writer is actually dead, just as i highly doubt
that "shargung-la" ever existed to begin with, or was nkd by the
chinese. this story of his "death" appears to be just another grotesque
lie on top of so many others that he has told, guaranteeing him immunity
from exposure.

this is another clear example of a mixed contact. there will always be
some degree of useful information within such sources and most people
who have been taken in by them will fight practically to the death to
support their beloved material. this is why i try to shy away from
commenting on anything at all these days. i can win lifetime adversaries
by simply disagreeing with some particular person's work.

that said, i've already made public statements about this, so i will
reiterate the basic points. remember, i've been in "the game" well
before i ever put anything out online. the earliest incarnations of this
"jon peniel" book were advertised extremely heavily on the art bell
website while art was at the pinnacle of his career. it was a classic
messiah-complex wording: "cayce predicted the return of jon peniel - now
read his material that could save the world!" this is not an exact quote
for those who quibble, but expresses the gist of it.

here's the deal. there was a book by james hilton, very popular and
totally fictional, called "paradise lost," if memory serves correctly.
the idea of "shangri-la" was put forth in this book, and it was never
truthful. obviously, changing a few letters around to "shargung-la"
appears to give it some measure of credibility, until you realize that
it is just a slight alteration of something that came from the mind of
james hilton.

the original book was only available in pdf form off the internet, and
free chapters were available online. they were disastrously written -
grammar and spelling so poor as to be pre-junior high school level.
originally, the entire story of how the author got from america to tibet
was written so appallingly poorly that i literally laughed out loud at
how anyone could believe such nonsense.

when you really travel to a foreign country involving multiple stops,
you'd have all you could do to restrain yourself to a few core concepts
like, "i got on a boat. it was a bad ride and i puked as i went across
the atlantic. i got off the boat. i met a man with red hair and a red
beard. he saw me and said "turkey?" i nodded my head. then he took me to
turkey. then when i got there i met another man who took me to tibet.
then when i got there i met this really cool guy and he directed me to
the mystical land of shargung-la."

granted, it was slightly more complicated than that, but not by much.
the whole story of how he got to this land has been conveniently removed
from later versions of the book, because he was eaten alive by skeptics
over this story.

the best part, though, was that when you went to the website, it linked
you back to a list of "essential" products for spiritual growth, all of
which were standard botanical essences and things you could buy in any
health food store, only the minimum price on any of the items was about
30 dollars.

granted, i am trying to remember something i saw seven years ago, so it
is probably not identical to what i actually saw. perhaps a few items
were a little less than 30 dollars - perhaps there were a few scant
details of the alleged trip to tibet that i am forgetting. however, the
gist of it is there.

so how do you tell a lie and get away with it? first, take everything
your skeptics attack you for and modify, change or delete it. this was
done. accept the help of people with spelling and grammar skills to make
the book more professional. this was done. write in that the great city
you discovered has been destroyed, so that you are the only one alive on
earth who has partaken of this secret that will "save the world," and no
one else can ever find it. then, fake your own death so you can have
"devotees" come to your hideout in maui and hear everyone talk with
reverence about what a great man you were while alive - all the while
your identity is preserved.

for my own intuitive discernment, it was always clear that this was a
person who was not making very much money selling overpriced new age
items and wanted to feel that he could make a valuable contribution. but
instead of giving spiritual teaching in a form that was truthful and
honest, he chose to concoct a story about being the incarnation of a
prophetic figure, "jon peniel," given huge praises by the cayce
readings, and then going further to discovering a miniature city that
was a holdover of atlantis that never went away after the main island
fell.

again, this was never mentioned in the cayce readings, seth readings or
law of one series, all of which were well before this book was written,
but if it really did exist i am certain that something would have been
said. the name of the alleged city was cribbed from a fiction story. the
author did have a spiritual message to give, but he cloaked it in a
fictional wall of lies, assigning himself messianic status and then
conveniently making sure that the great city he discovered was
destroyed, then obliterating his own identity thereafter, while
continuing to profit from his fiction.

the recent accounts that we heard about someone actually going to visit
this cult in maui do not reflect badly on the person whatsoever - they
show very clearly the negative aspects of this organization. in fact, i
wouldn't be surprised if it was obvious in hindsight who the actual
writer was, once you realize that he was lying about his own death to be
"incognito". his name was never jon peniel to begin with so it wasn't
that hard to do, when you really don't mind lying to make money - which
he clearly does not.

again, i hate to burst anyone's bubble, as this person did pour his
heart into his book of spiritual fiction, but by presenting it as truth
there is some major negative karma created, and it hurts people who read
it and are sucked in by it. such hoaxes are a lot more common than most
would like to believe, and they are done deliberately.

the basic idea is that the person feels subconsciously that god has
abandoned them. they want to be a part of all the neat new age stuff
going on, but they doubt the veracity of speaking from the heart and
speaking in truth. so, on some level they are totally aware that they
are lying, but they feel that since we "create our own reality," the
lies are going to enhance consciousness anyway and in turn have people
create something that was real when before it was not. certain
metaphysical names i shall not mention have used this tactic, and i have
personally called them on the carpet about it.

thankfully this material has never really gotten that popular, so the
overall amount of damage is rather minimal. the confederation does
permit this mixed information to be out there, as it offers the
"opportunity for confusion," which is part of mirroring back to humanity
its own shadow side.

i guess that's all i have to say. i wish you all well and am very happy
to report that just before writing this, i got my yamaha sw1000xg and
dsp2416 sound cards to install in the new l/l research computer, which i
have named "lovelightpower." it's got a 2.4ghz pentium 4 with 800mhz fsb
and hyper-threading, 512mb overclocking pc3700 ram, a geforce 440 16x
agp video card with 128mb ram, and a sony dvd &#43;/-rw burner at 4x speed.

we needed to get the best that we could so that we could easily produce
and distribute dvds, and this fits that bill. now all we have to do ( !
) is shoot the dvd, compose the music (on my keyboards,) design the
jacket art and then start distributing them. carla rueckert and don
elkins made a rare one-time appearance on national television in 1978,
and we will be releasing the complete footage of that amazing program
along with interviews and commentary from the present day. that will be
our first dvd product. later on, i'll have a convergence series of dvds
that will give a comprehensive, easy-to-understand summary of the
material in the series, laying out the case for ascension.

i'm keeping my fingers crossed, as it appears that the last remaining
hardware configuration hurdle for getting this computer worked into the
studio has been crossed. so hopefully, by the beginning of next year
we'll be fully up and running with dvds - as everyone likes to have a
video that they can show to others who may not be inclined to surf a
website or read a book. personally, i'm very excited about this... by
keeping all aspects of production and distribution in-house, we will
also have a source for raising funds that will in turn allow us to
conduct seminars around the country.

peace be with you -

- david