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    Paul Kandrah Guest

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    > ***exactly***. focus on the expediency of the moment
    > and the bigger questions and problems remain
    > unanswered. the history of politics, in a nutshell
    > :-)

    this sounds very much to me like the concept of the hegelian
    dialectic, which is the creation of opposites by "unseen
    manipulators" to lead an issue in one direction, or away from
    another. in this created duality, or polarity, other options are
    neglected because the framing confines them to hidden sidelines. by
    being the creator of a duality one can control the motions of both
    sides.

    in the present situation, it is obvious that there would be
    opposition to a war. but that doesn't matter. in fact, this
    opposition is desired by the warring side. it is this polarization
    itself that hardens them, creating stronger dividing lines, and
    hardheadedness. in each person's mind this becomes a war of ideas,
    and needing to be right, and moving that 'righteousness' to the
    circle of fire and ice. there each side can fight and "feel the
    power" (unfortunately another illusion) because with the conflict
    they are weakened and feel powerless. the battle is fueled by an
    individual's right to equilibrium, and compensation... which is a
    never ending downward cycle.

    if a person merely 'opposes' war, then that person is part of the
    equation, determined from the beginning. by merely opposing, he or
    she is not looking outside of the lines that have already been
    drawn, for ways to overcome the real "forces" behind the wizard's
    curtain. he or she is blinded.

    the wizard's curtain is in ourselves. it is here we can find our
    oneness...

    > > if war with iraq disappears, perhaps then peoples'
    > > minds would begin to focus once again on our planet
    > > and the true needs of human beings for peace, love,
    > > joy, plenty, safety and creativity.
    >
    > we've always had the opportunity to do this, though -
    > yet we always have some excuse for having not done it.
    > i believe the negatives are very keen to provide us
    > with urgent threats - always diverting us from our
    > true needs.
    > jeremy

    and a good way to turn the tables is to look for the positives of
    these pressing events. it need not be a stretch. this is a very
    powerful force that could impel some people to look more closely at
    their world, and how they fit into it, what they can 'really' do to
    discover their 'true' power. if only we could create the
    environment where an individual could safely do this... outside of
    the confrontations. there are so many...

    the world is very wounded. these wounds go sooo deep, reaching into
    the soul of every human being alive, to some extent, often
    massively. these wounds are hidden behind images, displayed to
    pretend. nothing is as it seems. these images, these hegelian
    dialectics, are used to lead children away, with a tin whistle, off
    to some distant cliff... or warfront. peace vs. war is part of
    this. these are all images, illusions - implanted... to be found to
    some greater or lesser extent in each of us.

    jeremy, you have some very good suggestions and i thank you for
    opening up the discussion to alternatives that are not currently
    obvious. though, even now these offerings are not the whole answer.
    (i know that you know, without knowing how i know that you know.)
    not because they are not real, but because we have only just begun
    to look... outside of the "answers" themselves.

    friends, romans, countrymen, lend me your ears... and hearts... :-)


    paul kandrah


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    Jeremy Weiland Guest

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    > this sounds very much to me like the concept of the
    > hegelian dialectic, which is the creation of
    > opposites by "unseen manipulators" to lead an issue
    > in one direction, or away from another.

    yes, this is exactly what i'm talking about - frame
    the debate, and you can play against the middle. the
    american electoral system, with it's single member
    plurality system, is uniquely set up to facilitate
    this.

    > this is a very powerful force that could impel some
    > people to look more closely at their world, and how
    > they fit into it, what they can 'really' do to
    > discover their 'true' power.

    my understanding of the nature of reality is that the
    scenario you just described is *precisely* the purpose
    of third density.

    > if only we could create the environment where an
    > individual could safely do this... outside of
    > the confrontations. there are so many...

    but this is actually the strength of 3d - the
    intensity of this conflict provides a grade of
    catalyst that is unavailable without the illusion. i
    mean, as ra tells it, you can grow and develop in the
    other densities without all the suffering and conflict
    - it's just that the depth of experience in 3d is so
    much more efficient for soul evolution.

    > jeremy, you have some very good suggestions and i
    > thank you for opening up the discussion to
    > alternatives that are not currently obvious.
    > though, even now these offerings are not the whole
    > answer. (i know that you know, without knowing how
    > i know that you know.) not because they are not
    > real, but because we have only just begun to look...

    > outside of the "answers" themselves.

    we have a lot of work to do, no doubt about it, and i
    have no illusions about having all the answers.
    thanks for your comments, paul.

    l/l

    jeremy

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    Paul Kandrah Guest

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    if i may continue the discussion a little...

    > > this is a very powerful force that could impel some
    > > people to look more closely at their world, and how
    > > they fit into it, what they can 'really' do to
    > > discover their 'true' power.
    >
    > my understanding of the nature of reality is that the
    > scenario you just described is *precisely* the purpose
    > of third density.
    >
    > > if only we could create the environment where an
    > > individual could safely do this... outside of
    > > the confrontations. there are so many...
    >
    > but this is actually the strength of 3d - the
    > intensity of this conflict provides a grade of
    > catalyst that is unavailable without the illusion. i
    > mean, as ra tells it, you can grow and develop in the
    > other densities without all the suffering and conflict
    > - it's just that the depth of experience in 3d is so
    > much more efficient for soul evolution.

    3d is efficient? yes, i can see that. the intensity that is
    brought about by illusions allows us to enter the stage, if you
    will, and play out our dramas. 3d lends a certain realness to this,
    much more so than we would get in our dreams for instance, where if
    we dream lucidly can change things easily once it is realize the
    power of intentions. 3d tends to hold us more rigidly to the
    dynamic relations of the "laws of the universe", which are more
    poignant than in our dreams because we are forced to face the
    consequences of actions.

    3d is efficient if a person is able to stay on top of the real
    situation, with awareness, knowing where he or she fits, rather than
    becoming swallowed by the illusion itself.

    so, what dynamics muster a greater force of illusion in an
    individual? one of them is the force of duality creation, framing
    or whatever we will call it. if in the setting of the stage the
    players fall into place and forget that they are only actors, then
    reality shrinks from its real possibilities: from realization,
    growth and transcendence. these opportunities and efficiencies that
    ra talks about are probably only relevant if this loss or "fall"
    does not take place... or at least in the end things are turned
    around.

    i do not wish to suggest that the "fall" need not take place, for
    perhaps it indeed needs to take place. without the fall into
    illusion it is difficult to realize what a person is missing. in
    the emptiness of pretended nature there is a lack of true energy.
    it is a law of economics that lack creates value. to truly value
    what we are as transcendent beings, it becomes important to realize
    that it need not be that way, at least in the mantle of the stage...
    that is 3d reality and time.

    now, when people are stuck in such a place, a place of pretending,
    coping, of not knowing their power, then they are susceptible to the
    energetic movements of that play. they get caught up. when
    conflict comes and faces their energy configuration what happens?
    their image distorts to face the enemy. their illusion shifts to
    face the illusion confronting them. they are playing a role, and
    that role becomes them, and then they are at the whim of the
    energetic movements of that role! 3d, cause and effect. forgetting
    they are actors they have lost the realization that they can step
    outside. they end up being trapped.

    the great question then becomes: how would it be possible to shift
    the movements of the play itself so that the actors can realize that
    they are in fact actors? such is the importance of where we are in
    the present day, with our troubles of war. because we have
    symbolism bombarding us from cosmic realms, within the movements of
    our play down here, we can tell that the cosmic forces realize this
    efficiency of "using the play" to mold the elements. as long as
    the elements are aware enough to look...

    the "problem" with confrontation is not that it is not efficient,
    for it is very efficient for a person holding onto some
    realization. confrontation is rather undesirable because it is a
    powerful force in propelling our dramas, our plays, forward,
    regardless of whether awareness is present or not. in fact, the
    smaller the degree of awareness, the more powerful, influential, and
    efficient confrontational energy is, in framing the "world" and
    its "movements" into the dramas themselves. if it is all you got
    then you will really fight for it. then once you "put somebody's
    back up", all communication is lost.

    the work that i was alluding to, in reduction of confrontational
    energy, is the creation of an environment where people don't get
    lost in the drama, losing sight of the fact that it is ultimately
    false. this, btw, can be done in at least two ways, or places.
    first it can occur in the environment itself, where you create a
    comfortable energy in the surroundings where people can immerse
    themselves and safely open up. this is an environment largely free
    of confrontations, at least to the level where a person can retain
    awareness and not fall back. second and more powerfully, this can
    occur by changing the stance of the individual, very slightly, so
    that this sense of comfort and knowing comes from the depths within
    personal heart. with such internal strength it is possible to face
    any confrontation in any environment. perhaps this power is mantle
    upon which the realization of 3d efficiency that ra talks about
    comes about.

    > we have a lot of work to do, no doubt about it, and i
    > have no illusions about having all the answers.
    > thanks for your comments, paul.
    > jeremy

    neither are these "answer" everything, or necessarily even a part.
    all answers are illusions; it is to this that i was stating my
    part.

    with friendship,

    paul


    ps. confrontation is one force in this play of dramas, and the
    rational mind is another. i thank david w. again for his beautiful
    work that has helped subdue the rational doubt in me, so that i may
    again embrace the energies that surround me in heart.


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