Abduction Special (dimensional/celestial self contact)

[Mawk]

hi group,

as promised, a more detailed account on "alien abduction", though personally
i prefer the term "dimensional/celestial self contact". these holidays i
have decided to read all of the "law of one" books. having just completed
book one, it appears the last few pages provide a great deal of insight for
the "abduction special" thread. rather than add my own distortion i will
quote those pages as they are in strong resonance with my own thoughts.
after the ra citation i will include a few points that jumped out at me for
consideration.

the law of one: book i
the ra material
by ra,
an humble messenger of
the law of one

questioner: in a ?close encounter? by a confederation type of craft i am
assuming that this ?close encounter? is with a thoughtform type of craft. do
wanderers within the past few years have ?close encounters? with landed
thought-form type of craft?

ra: i am ra. this has occurred although it is much less common than the
orion type of so-called ?close encounter.?
we may note that in a universe of unending unity the concept of a ?close
encounter? is humorous, for are not all encounters of a nature of self with
self? therefore, how can any encounter be less than very, very close?

questioner: well, talking about this type of encounter of self to self, do
any wanderers of a positive polarization ever have a so-called ?close
encounter? with the orion or negatively oriented polarization?

ra: i am ra. this is correct.

questioner: why does this occur?

ra: i am ra. when it occurs it is quite rare and occurs either due to the
orion entities? lack of perception of the depth of positivity to be
encountered or due to the orion entities? desire to, shall we say, attempt
to remove this positivity from this plane of existence. orion tactics
normally are those which choose the simple distortions of mind which
indicate less mental and spiritual complex activity.

questioner: i have become aware of a very large variation in the contact
with individuals. could you give me general examples of the methods used by
the confederation to awaken or partially awaken the wanderers they contact?

ra: i am ra. the methods used to awaken wanderers are varied. the center of
each approach is the entrance into the conscious and subconscious in such a
way as to avoid causing fear and to maximize the potential for an
understandable subjective experience which has meaning for the entity. many
such occur in sleep, others in the midst of many activities during the
waking hours. the approach is flexible and does not necessarily include the
?close encounter? syndrome, as you are aware.

questioner: what about the physical examination syndrome? how does that
relate to wanderers and confederation and orion contacts?

ra: i am ra. the subconscious expectations of entities cause the nature and
detail of thought-form experience offered by confederation thought-form
entities. thus, if a wanderer expects a physical examination, it will,
perforce, be experienced with as little distortion towards alarm or
discomfort as is allowable by the nature of the expectations of the
subconscious distortions of the wanderer.

questioner: well, are those who are taken on both confederation and orion
craft then experiencing a seeming physical examination?

ra: i am ra. your query indicates incorrect thinking. the orion group uses
the physical examination as a means of terrifying the individual and causing
it to feel the feelings of an advanced second-density being such as a
laboratory animal. the sexual experiences of some are a sub-type of this
experience. the intent is to demonstrate the control of the orion entities
over the terran inhabitant. the thought-form experiences are subjective and,
for the most part, do not occur in this density.

questioner: then both confederation and orion contacts are being made and
?close encounters? are of a dual nature as i understand it. they can either
be of the confederation or of the orion type of contact. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is correct, although the preponderance of contacts is
orion-oriented.

questioner: well, we have a large spectrum of entities on earth with respect
to harvestability, both positively oriented and negatively oriented. would
the orion group target in on the ends of this spectrum, both positively and
negatively oriented, for contact with earth entities?

ra: i am ra. this query is somewhat difficult to accurately answer. however,
we shall attempt to do so.
the most typical approach of orion entities is to choose what you might call
the weaker-minded entity that it might suggest a greater amount of orion
philosophy to be disseminated.
some few orion entities are called by more highly polarized negative
entities of your space/time nexus. in this case they share information just
as we are now doing. however, this is a risk for the orion entities due to
the frequency with which the harvestable negative planetary entities then
attempt to bid and order the orion contact just as these entities bid
planetary negative contacts. the resulting struggle for mastery, if lost, is
damaging to the polarity of the orion group.
similarly, a mistaken orion contact with highly polarized positive entities
can wreak havoc with orion troops unless these crusaders are able to
de-polarize the entity mistakenly contacted. this occurrence is almost
unheard-of. therefore, the orion group prefers to make physical contact only
with the weaker-minded entity.

questioner: then in general we could say that if an individual has a ?close
encounter? with a ufo or any other type of experience that seems to be
ufo-related, he must look to the heart of the encounter and the effect upon
him to determine whether it was orion or confederation contact. is this
correct?

ra: i am ra. this is correct. if there is fear and doom, the contact was
quite likely of a negative nature. if the result is hope, friendly feelings,
and the awakening of a positive feeling of purposeful service to others, the
marks of confederation contact are evident.

questioner: then i am assuming all of the groups getting telepathic contact
from the confederation are high-priority targets for the orion crusaders,
and i would assume that a large percentage of them are having their messages
polluted by the orion group. can you tell me what percentage of them had
their information polluted by the orion group and if any of them were able
to remain purely a confederation channel?

ra: i am ra. to give you this information would be to infringe upon the free
will or confusion of some living. we can only ask each group to consider the
relative effect of philosophy and your so-called specific information. it is
not the specificity of the information which attracts negative influences.
it is the importance placed upon it.
this is why we iterate quite often, when asked for specific information,
that it pales to insignificance, just as the grass withers and dies while
the love and the light of the one infinite creator redounds to the very
infinite realms of creation forever and ever, creating and creating itself
in perpetuity.
why then be concerned with the grass that blooms, withers and dies in its
season only to grow once again due to the infinite love and light of the one
creator? this is the message we bring. each entity is only superficially
that which blooms and dies. in the deeper sense there is no end to
being-ness.

points that may be worth considering:

1. it seems the contact phenomena is predominantly orion instigated but it
is definitely not the only contact.
2. orion contact will generally be fear orientated.
3. contact is more typically initiated through thought-form
(dreams/meditation) rather than physical interaction.
4. orion crusaders will aim for easy targets (weak minded/negative
polarization).
5. orion crusaders are vulnerable to positive orientated, devoid of fear,
entities.
6. jha_amin's post addressed the issue of body parts and hybrid children.
the possibility that much of this could be thought form propaganda should
also be considered. why? to induce fear and the notion of enslavement which
they thrive on. (note: this is my personal reason for trying to provide the
counter position for the positive celestial/dimensional experience).
7. contact with confederation forces will be generally viewed as a positive
experience.
8. confederation contact may also have examination type experiences but
these will generally come across as a positive event. this fits my own
experience in the last 3 to 4 years.
9. the 3d entities' polarity will generally attract the corresponding
celestial/dimensional entity. in bryant's book "close encounters of the
fourth kind", researchers into the ufo/abduction phenomena appeared to fall
into two categories. those who's patients had negative experiences seemed to
gravitate towards one group of researcher's while those with positive
experiences gravitated to the second group. those with positive experiences
referred to themselves as "experiencers" will those with negative
interactions used the nomenclature "abductee". bryant's book covers an mit
conference on the phenomena around 1995 and in my opinion is still
worthwhile reading.
10. entertain the possibility of considerably more contact potential,
predominantly positive, now that you have found the law of one and david's
ascension site:-)

cheers,

mawk

ps i noticed the time was 1:11 when i started this post and it was 2:22 when
i finished.

[Bake111@...]

thanks mawk for the excellent information! i appreciate the work and time
that went into making that post for all of us to enjoy, study, and grow.

does ra say anything about the arcturians?

hope all is well,
jane


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[Bake111@...]

wow! thanks chris for researching about arturius. i appreciate your time and
effort.

jane


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[Chris Hamilton]

jane:
does ra say anything about the arcturians?
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chris :i just finished the first four books wednesday before the seminar, yet i
can't remember any mention of arcturians. however, cayce refered to arcturus as
being the center of the galaxy and a gateway to other existences:

" arcturus is the junction between the spheres of activity as related to cosmic
force, and is that about which this particular environ or sphere of activity
rotates, or is a realtive source of activity." 263-15

"...arcturus is that which may be called the center of the universe, through
which individuals pass and at which period there comes the choice of the
individual as to whether it is to return to complete there--that is, in this
planetary system, our sun, the earth sun and it's planetary system, or to pass
on to others......"5749-14

i wanted to add one of cayce's thoughts on the 4th dimension too, as i came
across it while looking at all the arcturian stuff:

"fourth dimension then being that condition as is reached wherein physical
objects are spiritually understood, spiritual objects are physically understood,
and able of experience. these become hard questions to the single track mind, or
two track mind, but to the full rounded out individual become understandable
conditions, to the mental processes of the well rounded mind. in this condition
then does the individual reach its abilities of development in the planes as
experienced in the advances from the earth's plane, coming then in that position
of being able to have height, breadth, depth, thickness, and with all without
space." 900-66


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[Mawk]

hi jane,

thank-you so much for your kind words.

at this stage i have only gone through book one. it doesn't mention arcturus
though it may well in the later books. i will let you know if i find
anything when i get my hands on them.

btw i enjoyed your dream interpretations too.

cheers,


mawk