JEREMY

[merkaba_@...]

jeremy wrote:
i think this really sums it up. david *has* no obligation to you or
any of the "masses." it's called free will.
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dear jeremy,

millions of people around the world follow the teachings of edgar
cayce. whether it be for health reasons, spiritual reasons, past life
reasons or just to have a better understanding of the universe in which
we live. i for one are one of these people. many of us take the
teachings of edgar cayce very seriously.

when somebody comes along and claims that they are a reincarnation
of the soul of edgar cayce they automatically loose thre free will and
have an obligation to the world and to answer all questions and make
himself open to all people and throughly prove themselves based on
scientific and spiritual wisdom and laws.

this forum is mr. wilcocks. people have a right to join this forum
and ask questions to david and challenge his views and try to find what
makes him tick. if david claimed to be a reincarnation of a wash women
who lived back in the 1800's then that would not make david suspect. but
when he comes around saying that he is a reincarnation of cayce, he has
a responsiblity to suport his claims and make himself available to the
masses.

i am on this forum to learn about him and his motivations for such
claims.

john carlo

[Jeremy Weiland]

yo john!

>> millions of people around the world follow the teachings of
>> edgar cayce. whether it be for health reasons, spiritual reasons, >> past
life reasons or just to have a better understanding of the
>> universe in which we live. i for one are one of these people. many >> of
us take the teachings of edgar cayce very seriously.


a point that i can completely agree with. i heartily endorse the study
of the cayce material, and my spiritual journey most certainly started with
this study. there is a great deal of truth and wisdom in cayce's work. i
wasn't aware that this was a point of debate.

>> when somebody comes along and claims that they are a
>> reincarnation of the soul of edgar cayce they
>> automatically loose thre free will and
>> have an obligation to the world and to answer
>> all questions and make himself open to all
>> people and throughly prove themselves based
>> on scientific and spiritual wisdom and laws.

if this is the way you feel, you're either going to be sorely
disappointed or david will go nuts trying to convince you and the rest of
the world to believe in him. and, knowing david just a little bit will tell
you that he feels no obligation to sacrifice himself to the world for the
sake of skeptics.

>> this forum is mr. wilcocks. people have a right to join this forum
>> and ask questions to david and challenge his views and try to find >>
what makes him tick.

yeah, you have the right to ask, but don't expect us to accomodate you
for the sole reason that *you*think it's important.
and from your right to ask these questions, we derive the corollary
right to comment that these questions are not helpful to the purposes of the
list. if we could give you definitive proof of david's identity that none
could deny, i'm sure you'd have it by now. but the point is that i don't
think david even cares really whether you believe it or not. given that, if
you're going to base your decision to accept or reject the material based on
that fact, you really do have two options.

>> if david claimed to be a reincarnation of a
>> wash women who lived back in the 1800's then that would not
>> make david suspect. but
>> when he comes around saying that he is a reincarnation of cayce, >> he
has a responsiblity to suport his claims and make himself
>> available to the masses.


if that's what you want to believe, fine... i'm not going to turn this
into a flame war, and i'm sure you're a sincere seeker... but if you think
david is going to sweat himself trying to prove himself to you or anyone, i
think you're going to be disappointed, that's all i'm saying.

but i do want to confront you and challenge the assertion that any such
responsibility exists. it is a false premise - such responsibility can only
exist for someone who derives their sense of self-worth through the approval
of others. it must have required a decisive rejection of this
responsibility for david to have ever have gotten as far as he had - indeed,
the only way to persevere in this business is to believe in yourself.

i encourage you to read the work, not simply wait for the "smoking gun"
to pop up on whether david is or is not who he says he is. sure, it's an
interesting factoid about the cayce connection. is it central to the work
being done here? no, absolutely not. see it from our perspective for a
moment: it seems to us to be a rather insignificant detail that doesn't
warrant the emphasis you're giving it.

additionally, i think that to accept or deny the work david is doing
simply because you believe or don't believe that he is the reincarnation of
cayce is an error, to say the least... it's called a logical fallacy of
authority, in this case severely twisted to include reincarnation. i'm
simply suggesting that you revise your criteria for acceptance or dismissal
of david's work to focus on what he does, not on who he says he is.

you, of course, retain the free will that allows you to pursue these
queries as far as you want to go. however, like i said, i simply think
you're going to be disappointed. and it's sad to see someone who obviously
has wisdom to offer the list get caught up in a periphery controversy.

later,
jeremy

[parkers5@...]

i smell fish.
--- in asc2k@y..., merkaba_@w... wrote:
> jeremy wrote:
> i think this really sums it up. david *has* no obligation to you or
> any of the "masses." it's called free will.
> ______________________________________
> dear jeremy,
>
> millions of people around the world follow the teachings of
edgar
> cayce. whether it be for health reasons, spiritual reasons, past
life
> reasons or just to have a better understanding of the universe in
which
> we live. i for one are one of these people. many of us take the
> teachings of edgar cayce very seriously.
>
> when somebody comes along and claims that they are a
reincarnation
> of the soul of edgar cayce they automatically loose thre free will
and
> have an obligation to the world and to answer all questions and make
> himself open to all people and throughly prove themselves based on
> scientific and spiritual wisdom and laws.
>
> this forum is mr. wilcocks. people have a right to join this
forum
> and ask questions to david and challenge his views and try to find
what
> makes him tick. if david claimed to be a reincarnation of a wash
women
> who lived back in the 1800's then that would not make david
suspect. but
> when he comes around saying that he is a reincarnation of cayce, he
has
> a responsiblity to suport his claims and make himself available to
the
> masses.
>
> i am on this forum to learn about him and his motivations for
such
> claims.
>
> john carlo

[Tiffani Boswell]

<table bgcolor="#ffffff">
>"we all bring baggage with us into our relationships,
but the problems that arise aren't problems with the
relationships, they are problems with the baggage." by jeremy
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><font face="bakersignet" size="4">this was a great quote jeremy>>></font>
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><font face="bakersignet" size="4">one for the quote book for sure!!</font>
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><font face="bakersignet" size="4">thanks for the input! tiffani</font>
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[Karen Brown]

"so i guess my whole point is to say: stop being so
hard on yourself... enjoy your life, and yes take time
to examine your distortions, but most of all *live
your life*, really live it, because that's what you
came here to do."

jeremy,
wow, not too preachy. just what i needed to hear.
i'm doing some forgiveness work with myself and others
that has been blocking me for along time, mostly
myself. i'm really learning alot from all of you and
thankful today that these messages were waiting for me
this morning.
best,
karen

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