Nietzsche

Jeremy Weiland · 05-05-2001, 08:52 PM

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> hey, interesting story... hope he turned out all right. it's funny, but i had a similar experience with a friend of mine. he was a big environmentalist (and very talented musician) who all the sudden, after me introducing him to libertarianism, started raving and ranting about combining the two ideas and how he was gonna start a business that would save the earth and wrote mass e-mails to the whole campus about how important it was and that you should smoke weed and support hemp and all sorts of stuff. parents came for him and he was whisked off to the loony bin and they put him on heavy drugs... never was comfortable with the situation, and don't like the way his parents handled it, but i'm gonna visit him this summer so at least he's alright now. i guess people just have certain things that they need to go through, and they play their role and you play yours and there it is.
> 
> this whole thing about the "uebermenschen" is really just a bunch of nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with what nietzsche actually meant. the idea of a "superman" was (way i see it) a person who had integrated all his experiences and was a conquerer of self. the nazis reinterpreted this to mean a class of humans that were already at this point by virtue of simple genetics. here's some quotes from some of his books that i found that really drive it home:
>
>"i teach you the overman (uebermensch). man is something to be overcome."
(thus spake zarathustra, prologue, ch 3)[/b]

>"to those human beings who are of any concern to me i wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - i wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: i have no pity for them, because i wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not - that one endures."
(the will to power, p 481)[/i]

>
>the second quote seems a tad bit evil, but isn't this what we really are doing to ourselves? going through all sorts of suffering, but there's a purpose. to me, it sounds like another interpretation of the ra material - we're here to discover our potential. also sounds a lot like ayn rand, for whom i have a great deal of respect.
>
>this gives me a great idea! who are you guys' favorite philosophers? group sharing time!!!! lol
>
>all right, take care guys,
>jeremy
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>when i was a freshman in college, a guy i called "crazy larry" (which is a pejorative term i know, i'm just being honest with you) was really into nietzsche and made my life a living hell... i think he gravitated to me because we were both deep thinkers. he was convinced that he was becoming an "overman" and used to talk too often about how the german navy would wear black underwear that they didn't change for an entire month and called it "the whore's underpants" because of the smell... yes, disgusting. 
>
>he was a walking dictionary of information about military and wars, yet he had long hair, constantly had a cigarette and coffee and had hippie ideologies in other ways with his own armada of tie-dyes hidden under the black navy peacoat that he wore in warm weather. he used to smoke cigarettes in my room, stay up all night wandering the halls and thinking deep thoughts (because he had transcended sleep) and was constantly trying to analytically figure out how to fuse the "military" and "hippie" parts of himself together. we had long conversations about this... and i told him that the key was self-acceptance.
>
>i tried to help him regain mental health by encouraging him to sleep and stay in dark rooms at night even if he wasn't tired. he ended up being placed in a facility in california after the end of that year, alsoafter smashing all his belongings in his room. it turns out that this place was a christian establishment, and with the help of psychotropic medications and a huge amount of guilt,he went fundamentalist and was released. then he came back, called me up to visit and tried to convince me that i was going to hell in my sophomore year! the song "you're so right" was written in his honor... i don't remember whether that's one of the ones in the music section online or not. i think it is there, actually. 
>
>he told the people at the facility that he 'couldn't stop screaming' and they gave him navane, which essentially turned him into a flat-liner...

i did recommend that he demand a lighter medication after i researched it and saw what it did... essentially a "chemical straight jacket for the mind." he told me that he didn't even want to get out of bed long enough to go to the store, he just sat and smoked all day in bed. i think getting off that navane did help him... the second time he came to "visit" me ended in disaster, at the beginning of my junior year... he overstayed his welcome and i had to stand up to him and tell him that i was sorry but i wasn't going to let him stay in my room past the time i had agreed to. applying wisdom in these situations is never easy....

>
>so let's say i was 'front loaded.' actually other than larry i don't know much of nietzsche... i just didn't want to make recommendations after seeing whathappened to larry when he was reading it all the time. but then, this is not a direct assessment... so if you know anything more i'd be glad to hear it. 
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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> just out of curiosity, david, what do you have against nietzsche? i thought he had a few spiritually inclined ideas and he is misunderstood since the nazis changed co-opted and perverted his ideas.
> anyone else wanna help me out on this?
> later, 
> jeremy
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date: saturday, may 05, 2001 6:23 pm
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>wow! coming from you korga that's a great compliment. i had started to feel that "vacuum" that has happened in the past when i release a major effort and there's a deafening silence... so thank you for the comments. i get lots of email and that's grand, i try to answer it as best i can, but when someone comments on new releases it means a lot more... i know people are seeing it but still...

>
>compared to shift of the ages, this is a friggin' brick house. and yes, in "vedic yoga, seth and multidimensional cosmology" there's a whole section on "create your own reality." 
>
>now i've got to get up the energy to pump out the remainder of it... and that's the part that will really sock it to 'em in one thundering moment at the end, as the whole kit and kaboodle comes together. most ofthis end sectionis written (probably 3/5 or moreof it, just in scattered fragments of writing) and the unwritten parts are relatively known in terms of where we're going. i'm still woefully overtired in my recovery from the all-day and all-nighter that i pulled monday... i was so "juiced" after having the focused spiritual energy of five million people pouring into my mortal coil that i literally felt like the "ubermensch" of nietzsche and felt no need for sleep... (btw i do not recommend nietzsche, that's a joke...

>
>now i'm paying. hard. so if anyone else would like to 'pay a tithe' for my efforts by your feedback and comments i'd be delighted. right now i'm still watching dvds to calm back down and reset my brain. 
>
>i can assure you that this book is solid gold and eventually will be seen as a classic work of science and spirit... undoubtedly it could have as much of an effect on society as the cayce readings once did. 
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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<tt>i've begun printing out ciii and four chapters into it i am absolutely amazed. you've done amazing work here
david. unfortunately the ink on my printer ran out so i couldn't print out everything yet but of what i've read so
far it is absolutely beautiful. i don't have any yet but i hope you and everyone here are open for questions and
discussion as we get through the material.

incidently there is also a new group forming for those interested:

there is a new group forming at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/visualearth/

visualize a new earth

the point of this group is to bring those souls together who recognizing these as
times of change. the basic belief is that what we are experiencing the
manifestation of the global consciousness as it goes through its final growing
pains. as with any adolescence what is needed at this time is guidance and
clarification of the goals. it is consciousness and only consciousness which will
determine what the future will be. this group aims to work toward a vision of our
future world so as to positively move consciousness toward a universal destiny.

what we are trying to do here is identify a conscious solution not a technological
solution. what is at work here are spiritual influences and these simply cannot
be altered by physical means. we must solve our spiritual problems with spiritual
answers. we cannot escape into spirituality however, as the physical will not just
disappear. whatever we create on the spiritual plane will manifest into a physical
reality. but in order for it to combat against the spiritual process now in the
making it must be a strong concentrated effort of consciousness.. this space is
created that we may share our insights in this matter so that our efforts are
unified toward that conscious solution. these are indeed changing times and
each and every person must choose which part they will play.

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David Wilcock · 05-05-2001, 09:51 PM

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>now wait... before all our ra newbies get the wrong idea, the law of one series says a number of times that even in the case of negative entities, you should "wish them well" even as you are 'rejecting their service as not being useful for your path at this time.' 
>
>thanks for digging up some info for us.
>
>- david
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>

> hey, interesting story... hope he turned out all right. it's funny, but i had a similar experience with a friend of mine. he was a big environmentalist (and very talented musician) who all the sudden, after me introducing him to libertarianism, started raving and ranting about combining the two ideas and how he was gonna start a business that would save the earth and wrote mass e-mails to the whole campus about how important it was and that you should smoke weed and support hemp and all sorts of stuff. parents came for him and he was whisked off to the loony bin and they put him on heavy drugs... never was comfortable with the situation, and don't like the way his parents handled it, but i'm gonna visit him this summer so at least he's alright now. i guess people just have certain things that they need to go through, and they play their role and you play yours and there it is.
> 
> this whole thing about the "uebermenschen" is really just a bunch of nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with what nietzsche actually meant. the idea of a "superman" was (way i see it) a person who had integrated all his experiences and was a conquerer of self. the nazis reinterpreted this to mean a class of humans that were already at this point by virtue of simple genetics. here's some quotes from some of his books that i found that really drive it home:
>
>"i teach you the overman (uebermensch). man is something to be overcome."
(thus spake zarathustra, prologue, ch 3)[/b]

>"to those human beings who are of any concern to me i wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - i wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: i have no pity for them, because i wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not - that one endures."
(the will to power, p 481)[/i]

>
>the second quote seems a tad bit evil, but isn't this what we really are doing to ourselves? going through all sorts of suffering, but there's a purpose. to me, it sounds like another interpretation of the ra material - we're here to discover our potential. also sounds a lot like ayn rand, for whom i have a great deal of respect.
>
>this gives me a great idea! who are you guys' favorite philosophers? group sharing time!!!! lol
>
>all right, take care guys,
>jeremy
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>-----original message-----from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
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date: saturday, may 05, 2001 9:08 pm
subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group


>when i was a freshman in college, a guy i called "crazy larry" (which is a pejorative term i know, i'm just being honest with you) was really into nietzsche and made my life a living hell... i think he gravitated to me because we were both deep thinkers. he was convinced that he was becoming an "overman" and used to talk too often about how the german navy would wear black underwear that they didn't change for an entire month and called it "the whore's underpants" because of the smell... yes, disgusting. 
>
>he was a walking dictionary of information about military and wars, yet he had long hair, constantly had a cigarette and coffee and had hippie ideologies in other ways with his own armada of tie-dyes hidden under the black navy peacoat that he wore in warm weather. he used to smoke cigarettes in my room, stay up all night wandering the halls and thinking deep thoughts (because he had transcended sleep) and was constantly trying to analytically figure out how to fuse the "military" and "hippie" parts of himself together. we had long conversations about this... and i told him that the key was self-acceptance.
>
>i tried to help him regain mental health by encouraging him to sleep and stay in dark rooms at night even if he wasn't tired. he ended up being placed in a facility in california after the end of that year, alsoafter smashing all his belongings in his room. it turns out that this place was a christian establishment, and with the help of psychotropic medications and a huge amount of guilt,he went fundamentalist and was released. then he came back, called me up to visit and tried to convince me that i was going to hell in my sophomore year! the song "you're so right" was written in his honor... i don't remember whether that's one of the ones in the music section online or not. i think it is there, actually. 
>
>he told the people at the facility that he 'couldn't stop screaming' and they gave him navane, which essentially turned him into a flat-liner...

i did recommend that he demand a lighter medication after i researched it and saw what it did... essentially a "chemical straight jacket for the mind." he told me that he didn't even want to get out of bed long enough to go to the store, he just sat and smoked all day in bed. i think getting off that navane did help him... the second time he came to "visit" me ended in disaster, at the beginning of my junior year... he overstayed his welcome and i had to stand up to him and tell him that i was sorry but i wasn't going to let him stay in my room past the time i had agreed to. applying wisdom in these situations is never easy....

>
>so let's say i was 'front loaded.' actually other than larry i don't know much of nietzsche... i just didn't want to make recommendations after seeing whathappened to larry when he was reading it all the time. but then, this is not a direct assessment... so if you know anything more i'd be glad to hear it. 
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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>

> just out of curiosity, david, what do you have against nietzsche? i thought he had a few spiritually inclined ideas and he is misunderstood since the nazis changed co-opted and perverted his ideas.
> anyone else wanna help me out on this?
> later, 
> jeremy
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>-----original message-----
from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
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date: saturday, may 05, 2001 6:23 pm
subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group


>wow! coming from you korga that's a great compliment. i had started to feel that "vacuum" that has happened in the past when i release a major effort and there's a deafening silence... so thank you for the comments. i get lots of email and that's grand, i try to answer it as best i can, but when someone comments on new releases it means a lot more... i know people are seeing it but still...

>
>compared to shift of the ages, this is a friggin' brick house. and yes, in "vedic yoga, seth and multidimensional cosmology" there's a whole section on "create your own reality." 
>
>now i've got to get up the energy to pump out the remainder of it... and that's the part that will really sock it to 'em in one thundering moment at the end, as the whole kit and kaboodle comes together. most ofthis end sectionis written (probably 3/5 or moreof it, just in scattered fragments of writing) and the unwritten parts are relatively known in terms of where we're going. i'm still woefully overtired in my recovery from the all-day and all-nighter that i pulled monday... i was so "juiced" after having the focused spiritual energy of five million people pouring into my mortal coil that i literally felt like the "ubermensch" of nietzsche and felt no need for sleep... (btw i do not recommend nietzsche, that's a joke...

>
>now i'm paying. hard. so if anyone else would like to 'pay a tithe' for my efforts by your feedback and comments i'd be delighted. right now i'm still watching dvds to calm back down and reset my brain. 
>
>i can assure you that this book is solid gold and eventually will be seen as a classic work of science and spirit... undoubtedly it could have as much of an effect on society as the cayce readings once did. 
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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>
<tt>i've begun printing out ciii and four chapters into it i am absolutely amazed. you've done amazing work here
david. unfortunately the ink on my printer ran out so i couldn't print out everything yet but of what i've read so
far it is absolutely beautiful. i don't have any yet but i hope you and everyone here are open for questions and
discussion as we get through the material.

incidently there is also a new group forming for those interested:

there is a new group forming at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/visualearth/

visualize a new earth

the point of this group is to bring those souls together who recognizing these as
times of change. the basic belief is that what we are experiencing the
manifestation of the global consciousness as it goes through its final growing
pains. as with any adolescence what is needed at this time is guidance and
clarification of the goals. it is consciousness and only consciousness which will
determine what the future will be. this group aims to work toward a vision of our
future world so as to positively move consciousness toward a universal destiny.

what we are trying to do here is identify a conscious solution not a technological
solution. what is at work here are spiritual influences and these simply cannot
be altered by physical means. we must solve our spiritual problems with spiritual
answers. we cannot escape into spirituality however, as the physical will not just
disappear. whatever we create on the spiritual plane will manifest into a physical
reality. but in order for it to combat against the spiritual process now in the
making it must be a strong concentrated effort of consciousness.. this space is
created that we may share our insights in this matter so that our efforts are
unified toward that conscious solution. these are indeed changing times and
each and every person must choose which part they will play.

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Jeremy Weiland · 05-06-2001, 04:45 AM

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> oops... sorry, newbies disregard. i would unequivically recommend ra over nietzsche any day. just wanted to 'splain the deeper side of nietzsche a bit.
> i don't want to get into semantics, but after thinking about it a little, what does "wishing someone well" mean? that they suffer the least, or that they learn the most? maybe you could argue that, in that little quote, nietzsche is wishing them well by wishing upon them the most catalytic conditions for growth. 
> just an idea. i definately prefer ra: much more straightforward.
> later,
> jeremy
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subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche


>now wait... before all our ra newbies get the wrong idea, the law of one series says a number of times that even in the case of negative entities, you should "wish them well" even as you are 'rejecting their service as not being useful for your path at this time.' 
>
>thanks for digging up some info for us.
>
>- david
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style="font: 10pt arial">subject: [asc2k] nietzsche
>

> hey, interesting story... hope he turned out all right. it's funny, but i had a similar experience with a friend of mine. he was a big environmentalist (and very talented musician) who all the sudden, after me introducing him to libertarianism, started raving and ranting about combining the two ideas and how he was gonna start a business that would save the earth and wrote mass e-mails to the whole campus about how important it was and that you should smoke weed and support hemp and all sorts of stuff. parents came for him and he was whisked off to the loony bin and they put him on heavy drugs... never was comfortable with the situation, and don't like the way his parents handled it, but i'm gonna visit him this summer so at least he's alright now. i guess people just have certain things that they need to go through, and they play their role and you play yours and there it is.
> 
> this whole thing about the "uebermenschen" is really just a bunch of nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with what nietzsche actually meant. the idea of a "superman" was (way i see it) a person who had integrated all his experiences and was a conquerer of self. the nazis reinterpreted this to mean a class of humans that were already at this point by virtue of simple genetics. here's some quotes from some of his books that i found that really drive it home:
>
>"i teach you the overman (uebermensch). man is something to be overcome."
(thus spake zarathustra, prologue, ch 3)[/b]

>"to those human beings who are of any concern to me i wish suffering, desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - i wish that they should not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: i have no pity for them, because i wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is worth anything or not - that one endures."
(the will to power, p 481)[/i]

>
>the second quote seems a tad bit evil, but isn't this what we really are doing to ourselves? going through all sorts of suffering, but there's a purpose. to me, it sounds like another interpretation of the ra material - we're here to discover our potential. also sounds a lot like ayn rand, for whom i have a great deal of respect.
>
>this gives me a great idea! who are you guys' favorite philosophers? group sharing time!!!! lol
>
>all right, take care guys,
>jeremy
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date: saturday, may 05, 2001 9:08 pm
subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group


>when i was a freshman in college, a guy i called "crazy larry" (which is a pejorative term i know, i'm just being honest with you) was really into nietzsche and made my life a living hell... i think he gravitated to me because we were both deep thinkers. he was convinced that he was becoming an "overman" and used to talk too often about how the german navy would wear black underwear that they didn't change for an entire month and called it "the whore's underpants" because of the smell... yes, disgusting. 
>
>he was a walking dictionary of information about military and wars, yet he had long hair, constantly had a cigarette and coffee and had hippie ideologies in other ways with his own armada of tie-dyes hidden under the black navy peacoat that he wore in warm weather. he used to smoke cigarettes in my room, stay up all night wandering the halls and thinking deep thoughts (because he had transcended sleep) and was constantly trying to analytically figure out how to fuse the "military" and "hippie" parts of himself together. we had long conversations about this... and i told him that the key was self-acceptance.
>
>i tried to help him regain mental health by encouraging him to sleep and stay in dark rooms at night even if he wasn't tired. he ended up being placed in a facility in california after the end of that year, alsoafter smashing all his belongings in his room. it turns out that this place was a christian establishment, and with the help of psychotropic medications and a huge amount of guilt,he went fundamentalist and was released. then he came back, called me up to visit and tried to convince me that i was going to hell in my sophomore year! the song "you're so right" was written in his honor... i don't remember whether that's one of the ones in the music section online or not. i think it is there, actually. 
>
>he told the people at the facility that he 'couldn't stop screaming' and they gave him navane, which essentially turned him into a flat-liner...

i did recommend that he demand a lighter medication after i researched it and saw what it did... essentially a "chemical straight jacket for the mind." he told me that he didn't even want to get out of bed long enough to go to the store, he just sat and smoked all day in bed. i think getting off that navane did help him... the second time he came to "visit" me ended in disaster, at the beginning of my junior year... he overstayed his welcome and i had to stand up to him and tell him that i was sorry but i wasn't going to let him stay in my room past the time i had agreed to. applying wisdom in these situations is never easy....

>
>so let's say i was 'front loaded.' actually other than larry i don't know much of nietzsche... i just didn't want to make recommendations after seeing whathappened to larry when he was reading it all the time. but then, this is not a direct assessment... so if you know anything more i'd be glad to hear it. 
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: jeremy weiland
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style="font: 10pt arial">sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 7:59 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>

> just out of curiosity, david, what do you have against nietzsche? i thought he had a few spiritually inclined ideas and he is misunderstood since the nazis changed co-opted and perverted his ideas.
> anyone else wanna help me out on this?
> later, 
> jeremy
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>-----original message-----
from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
date: saturday, may 05, 2001 6:23 pm
subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group


>wow! coming from you korga that's a great compliment. i had started to feel that "vacuum" that has happened in the past when i release a major effort and there's a deafening silence... so thank you for the comments. i get lots of email and that's grand, i try to answer it as best i can, but when someone comments on new releases it means a lot more... i know people are seeing it but still...

>
>compared to shift of the ages, this is a friggin' brick house. and yes, in "vedic yoga, seth and multidimensional cosmology" there's a whole section on "create your own reality." 
>
>now i've got to get up the energy to pump out the remainder of it... and that's the part that will really sock it to 'em in one thundering moment at the end, as the whole kit and kaboodle comes together. most ofthis end sectionis written (probably 3/5 or moreof it, just in scattered fragments of writing) and the unwritten parts are relatively known in terms of where we're going. i'm still woefully overtired in my recovery from the all-day and all-nighter that i pulled monday... i was so "juiced" after having the focused spiritual energy of five million people pouring into my mortal coil that i literally felt like the "ubermensch" of nietzsche and felt no need for sleep... (btw i do not recommend nietzsche, that's a joke...

>
>now i'm paying. hard. so if anyone else would like to 'pay a tithe' for my efforts by your feedback and comments i'd be delighted. right now i'm still watching dvds to calm back down and reset my brain. 
>
>i can assure you that this book is solid gold and eventually will be seen as a classic work of science and spirit... undoubtedly it could have as much of an effect on society as the cayce readings once did. 
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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style="font: 10pt arial">to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
style="font: 10pt arial">sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 12:37 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
<tt>i've begun printing out ciii and four chapters into it i am absolutely amazed. you've done amazing work here
david. unfortunately the ink on my printer ran out so i couldn't print out everything yet but of what i've read so
far it is absolutely beautiful. i don't have any yet but i hope you and everyone here are open for questions and
discussion as we get through the material.

incidently there is also a new group forming for those interested:

there is a new group forming at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/visualearth/

visualize a new earth

the point of this group is to bring those souls together who recognizing these as
times of change. the basic belief is that what we are experiencing the
manifestation of the global consciousness as it goes through its final growing
pains. as with any adolescence what is needed at this time is guidance and
clarification of the goals. it is consciousness and only consciousness which will
determine what the future will be. this group aims to work toward a vision of our
future world so as to positively move consciousness toward a universal destiny.

what we are trying to do here is identify a conscious solution not a technological
solution. what is at work here are spiritual influences and these simply cannot
be altered by physical means. we must solve our spiritual problems with spiritual
answers. we cannot escape into spirituality however, as the physical will not just
disappear. whatever we create on the spiritual plane will manifest into a physical
reality. but in order for it to combat against the spiritual process now in the
making it must be a strong concentrated effort of consciousness.. this space is
created that we may share our insights in this matter so that our efforts are
unified toward that conscious solution. these are indeed changing times and
each and every person must choose which part they will play.

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David Bowie · 05-06-2001, 11:00 AM

hey all,

i'm not usually one to ask for help but i'm very interested in learning more
about these subjects. i have cognitive disabilities and its hard for me to
read the larger language in the ra section of the website and understand it.

i first heard about your group on the art bell show. my goal is to better
understand these different enrgies and how to controll my own. i dont know
if that makes sense or not, i'm not very good with words.

i dont expect you all to translate the whole ra thing.. but if i have
questions when trying to go through it all can i ask questions?

lol... thanks

nathan

>from: "david wilcock" <djw333@...>
>reply-to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
>to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
>subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
>date: sun, 6 may 2001 00:51:02 -0400
>
>now wait... before all our ra newbies get the wrong idea, the law of one
>series says a number of times that even in the case of negative entities,
>you should "wish them well" even as you are 'rejecting their service as not
>being useful for your path at this time.'
>
>thanks for digging up some info for us.
>
>- david
> ----- original message -----
> from: jeremy weiland
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 11:52 pm
> subject: [asc2k] nietzsche
>
>
> hey, interesting story... hope he turned out all right. it's funny,
>but i had a similar experience with a friend of mine. he was a big
>environmentalist (and very talented musician) who all the sudden, after me
>introducing him to libertarianism, started raving and ranting about
>combining the two ideas and how he was gonna start a business that would
>save the earth and wrote mass e-mails to the whole campus about how
>important it was and that you should smoke weed and support hemp and all
>sorts of stuff. parents came for him and he was whisked off to the loony
>bin and they put him on heavy drugs... never was comfortable with the
>situation, and don't like the way his parents handled it, but i'm gonna
>visit him this summer so at least he's alright now. i guess people just
>have certain things that they need to go through, and they play their role
>and you play yours and there it is.
>
> this whole thing about the "uebermenschen" is really just a bunch of
>nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with what nietzsche actually meant.
>the idea of a "superman" was (way i see it) a person who had integrated all
>his experiences and was a conquerer of self. the nazis reinterpreted this
>to mean a class of humans that were already at this point by virtue of
>simple genetics. here's some quotes from some of his books that i found
>that really drive it home:
>
> "i teach you the overman (uebermensch). man is something to be
>overcome."
> (thus spake zarathustra, prologue, ch 3)
>
> "to those human beings who are of any concern to me i wish suffering,
>desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - i wish that they should
>not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of
>self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: i have no pity for them,
>because i wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is
>worth anything or not - that one endures."
> (the will to power, p 481)
>
>
> the second quote seems a tad bit evil, but isn't this what we really are
>doing to ourselves? going through all sorts of suffering, but there's a
>purpose. to me, it sounds like another interpretation of the ra material -
>we're here to discover our potential. also sounds a lot like ayn rand, for
>whom i have a great deal of respect.
>
> this gives me a great idea! who are you guys' favorite philosophers?
>group sharing time!!!! lol
>
> all right, take care guys,
> jeremy
> -----original message-----from: david wilcock <djw333@...>
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> date: saturday, may 05, 2001 9:08 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> when i was a freshman in college, a guy i called "crazy larry" (which
>is a pejorative term i know, i'm just being honest with you) was really
>into nietzsche and made my life a living hell... i think he gravitated to
>me because we were both deep thinkers. he was convinced that he was
>becoming an "overman" and used to talk too often about how the german navy
>would wear black underwear that they didn't change for an entire month and
>called it "the whore's underpants" because of the smell... yes, disgusting.
>
> he was a walking dictionary of information about military and wars,
>yet he had long hair, constantly had a cigarette and coffee and had hippie
>ideologies in other ways with his own armada of tie-dyes hidden under the
>black navy peacoat that he wore in warm weather. he used to smoke
>cigarettes in my room, stay up all night wandering the halls and thinking
>deep thoughts (because he had transcended sleep) and was constantly trying
>to analytically figure out how to fuse the "military" and "hippie" parts of
>himself together. we had long conversations about this... and i told him
>that the key was self-acceptance.
>
> i tried to help him regain mental health by encouraging him to sleep
>and stay in dark rooms at night even if he wasn't tired. he ended up being
>placed in a facility in california after the end of that year, also after
>smashing all his belongings in his room. it turns out that this place was a
>christian establishment, and with the help of psychotropic medications and
>a huge amount of guilt, he went fundamentalist and was released. then he
>came back, called me up to visit and tried to convince me that i was going
>to hell in my sophomore year! the song "you're so right" was written in his
>honor... i don't remember whether that's one of the ones in the music
>section online or not. i think it is there, actually.
>
> he told the people at the facility that he 'couldn't stop screaming'
>and they gave him navane, which essentially turned him into a flat-liner...
>

i did recommend that he demand a lighter medication after i
>researched it and saw what it did... essentially a "chemical straight
>jacket for the mind." he told me that he didn't even want to get out of bed
>long enough to go to the store, he just sat and smoked all day in bed. i
>think getting off that navane did help him... the second time he came to
>"visit" me ended in disaster, at the beginning of my junior year... he
>overstayed his welcome and i had to stand up to him and tell him that i was
>sorry but i wasn't going to let him stay in my room past the time i had
>agreed to. applying wisdom in these situations is never easy....

>
> so let's say i was 'front loaded.' actually other than larry i don't
>know much of nietzsche... i just didn't want to make recommendations after
>seeing what happened to larry when he was reading it all the time. but
>then, this is not a direct assessment... so if you know anything more i'd
>be glad to hear it.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
> from: jeremy weiland
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 7:59 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> just out of curiosity, david, what do you have against
>nietzsche? i thought he had a few spiritually inclined ideas and he is
>misunderstood since the nazis changed co-opted and perverted his ideas.
> anyone else wanna help me out on this?
> later,
> jeremy
> -----original message-----
> from: david wilcock <djw333@...>
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> date: saturday, may 05, 2001 6:23 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> wow! coming from you korga that's a great compliment. i had
>started to feel that "vacuum" that has happened in the past when i release
>a major effort and there's a deafening silence... so thank you for the
>comments. i get lots of email and that's grand, i try to answer it as best
>i can, but when someone comments on new releases it means a lot more... i
>know people are seeing it but still...

>
> compared to shift of the ages, this is a friggin' brick house. and
>yes, in "vedic yoga, seth and multidimensional cosmology" there's a whole
>section on "create your own reality."
>
> now i've got to get up the energy to pump out the remainder of
>it... and that's the part that will really sock it to 'em in one thundering
>moment at the end, as the whole kit and kaboodle comes together. most of
>this end section is written (probably 3/5 or more of it, just in scattered
>fragments of writing) and the unwritten parts are relatively known in terms
>of where we're going. i'm still woefully overtired in my recovery from the
>all-day and all-nighter that i pulled monday... i was so "juiced" after
>having the focused spiritual energy of five million people pouring into my
>mortal coil that i literally felt like the "ubermensch" of nietzsche and
>felt no need for sleep... (btw i do not recommend nietzsche, that's a
>joke...

>
> now i'm paying. hard. so if anyone else would like to 'pay a
>tithe' for my efforts by your feedback and comments i'd be delighted. right
>now i'm still watching dvds to calm back down and reset my brain.
>
> i can assure you that this book is solid gold and eventually will
>be seen as a classic work of science and spirit... undoubtedly it could
>have as much of an effect on society as the cayce readings once did.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
> from: korga@...
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 12:37 pm
> subject: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> i've begun printing out ciii and four chapters into it i am
>absolutely amazed. you've done amazing work here
> david. unfortunately the ink on my printer ran out so i
>couldn't print out everything yet but of what i've read so
> far it is absolutely beautiful. i don't have any yet but i hope
>you and everyone here are open for questions and
> discussion as we get through the material.
>
> incidently there is also a new group forming for those
>interested:
>
> there is a new group forming at
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/visualearth/
>
> visualize a new earth
>
>
> the point of this group is to
>bring those souls together who recognizing these as
> times of change. the basic
>belief is that what we are experiencing the
> manifestation of the global
>consciousness as it goes through its final growing
> pains. as with any adolescence
>what is needed at this time is guidance and
> clarification of the goals. it
>is consciousness and only consciousness which will
> determine what the future will
>be. this group aims to work toward a vision of our
> future world so as to positively
>move consciousness toward a universal destiny.
>
> what we are trying to do here is
>identify a conscious solution not a technological
> solution. what is at work here
>are spiritual influences and these simply cannot
> be altered by physical means.
>we must solve our spiritual problems with spiritual
> answers. we cannot escape into
>spirituality however, as the physical will not just
> disappear. whatever we create
>on the spiritual plane will manifest into a physical
> reality. but in order for it
>to combat against the spiritual process now in the
> making it must be a strong
>concentrated effort of consciousness.. this space is
> created that we may share our
>insights in this matter so that our efforts are
> unified toward that conscious
>solution. these are indeed changing times and
> each and every person must
>choose which part they will play.
>
>
>
>
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-----original message-----
from: david bowie [mailto:memorysurplus@...]
sent: sunday, may 06, 2001 10:00 am
to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche

hey all,

i'm not usually one to ask for help but i'm very interested in learning more
about these subjects. i have cognitive disabilities and its hard for me to
read the larger language in the ra section of the website and understand it.

dear nathan,
follow along and remember that you will always understand the things that
you expect of yourself to understand.
life is a dance that we all do separately together and peculiar travel
suggestions are always dancing lessons from god. accept them even if you
know that you will get your shins kicked and your toes stepped on.

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David Wilcock · 05-08-2001, 12:22 PM

<table bgcolor="#ffffff">
>jeremy may be able to help you out if i'm not immediately able to... i think we'd all learn from discussing some well-placed questions on ra.
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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style="font: 10pt arial">----- original message -----
style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: david bowie
style="font: 10pt arial">to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
style="font: 10pt arial">sent: sunday, may 06, 2001 2:00 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
>
<tt>hey all,

i'm not usually one to ask for help but i'm very interested in learning more
about these subjects. i have cognitive disabilities and its hard for me to
read the larger language in the ra section of the website and understand it.

i first heard about your group on the art bell show. my goal is to better
understand these different enrgies and how to controll my own. i dont know
if that makes sense or not, i'm not very good with words.

i dont expect you all to translate the whole ra thing.. but if i have
questions when trying to go through it all can i ask questions?

lol... thanks

nathan

>from: "david wilcock" <djw333@exis.net>
>reply-to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
>to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
>subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
>date: sun, 6 may 2001 00:51:02 -0400
>
>now wait... before all our ra newbies get the wrong idea, the law of one
>series says a number of times that even in the case of negative entities,
>you should "wish them well" even as you are 'rejecting their service as not
>being useful for your path at this time.'
>
>thanks for digging up some info for us.
>
>- david
> ----- original message -----
> from: jeremy weiland
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 11:52 pm
> subject: [asc2k] nietzsche
>
>
> hey, interesting story... hope he turned out all right. it's funny,
>but i had a similar experience with a friend of mine. he was a big
>environmentalist (and very talented musician) who all the sudden, after me
>introducing him to libertarianism, started raving and ranting about
>combining the two ideas and how he was gonna start a business that would
>save the earth and wrote mass e-mails to the whole campus about how
>important it was and that you should smoke weed and support hemp and all
>sorts of stuff. parents came for him and he was whisked off to the loony
>bin and they put him on heavy drugs... never was comfortable with the
>situation, and don't like the way his parents handled it, but i'm gonna
>visit him this summer so at least he's alright now. i guess people just
>have certain things that they need to go through, and they play their role
>and you play yours and there it is.
>
> this whole thing about the "uebermenschen" is really just a bunch of
>nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with what nietzsche actually meant.
>the idea of a "superman" was (way i see it) a person who had integrated all
>his experiences and was a conquerer of self. the nazis reinterpreted this
>to mean a class of humans that were already at this point by virtue of
>simple genetics. here's some quotes from some of his books that i found
>that really drive it home:
>
> "i teach you the overman (uebermensch). man is something to be
>overcome."
> (thus spake zarathustra, prologue, ch 3)
>
> "to those human beings who are of any concern to me i wish suffering,
>desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - i wish that they should
>not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of
>self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: i have no pity for them,
>because i wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is
>worth anything or not - that one endures."
> (the will to power, p 481)
>
>
> the second quote seems a tad bit evil, but isn't this what we really are
>doing to ourselves? going through all sorts of suffering, but there's a
>purpose. to me, it sounds like another interpretation of the ra material -
>we're here to discover our potential. also sounds a lot like ayn rand, for
>whom i have a great deal of respect.
>
> this gives me a great idea! who are you guys' favorite philosophers?
>group sharing time!!!! lol
>
> all right, take care guys,
> jeremy
> -----original message-----from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> date: saturday, may 05, 2001 9:08 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> when i was a freshman in college, a guy i called "crazy larry" (which
>is a pejorative term i know, i'm just being honest with you) was really
>into nietzsche and made my life a living hell... i think he gravitated to
>me because we were both deep thinkers. he was convinced that he was
>becoming an "overman" and used to talk too often about how the german navy
>would wear black underwear that they didn't change for an entire month and
>called it "the whore's underpants" because of the smell... yes, disgusting.
>
> he was a walking dictionary of information about military and wars,
>yet he had long hair, constantly had a cigarette and coffee and had hippie
>ideologies in other ways with his own armada of tie-dyes hidden under the
>black navy peacoat that he wore in warm weather. he used to smoke
>cigarettes in my room, stay up all night wandering the halls and thinking
>deep thoughts (because he had transcended sleep) and was constantly trying
>to analytically figure out how to fuse the "military" and "hippie" parts of
>himself together. we had long conversations about this... and i told him
>that the key was self-acceptance.
>
> i tried to help him regain mental health by encouraging him to sleep
>and stay in dark rooms at night even if he wasn't tired. he ended up being
>placed in a facility in california after the end of that year, also after
>smashing all his belongings in his room. it turns out that this place was a
>christian establishment, and with the help of psychotropic medications and
>a huge amount of guilt, he went fundamentalist and was released. then he
>came back, called me up to visit and tried to convince me that i was going
>to hell in my sophomore year! the song "you're so right" was written in his
>honor... i don't remember whether that's one of the ones in the music
>section online or not. i think it is there, actually.
>
> he told the people at the facility that he 'couldn't stop screaming'
>and they gave him navane, which essentially turned him into a flat-liner...
>

i did recommend that he demand a lighter medication after i
>researched it and saw what it did... essentially a "chemical straight
>jacket for the mind." he told me that he didn't even want to get out of bed
>long enough to go to the store, he just sat and smoked all day in bed. i
>think getting off that navane did help him... the second time he came to
>"visit" me ended in disaster, at the beginning of my junior year... he
>overstayed his welcome and i had to stand up to him and tell him that i was
>sorry but i wasn't going to let him stay in my room past the time i had
>agreed to. applying wisdom in these situations is never easy....

>
> so let's say i was 'front loaded.' actually other than larry i don't
>know much of nietzsche... i just didn't want to make recommendations after
>seeing what happened to larry when he was reading it all the time. but
>then, this is not a direct assessment... so if you know anything more i'd
>be glad to hear it.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
> from: jeremy weiland
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 7:59 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> just out of curiosity, david, what do you have against
>nietzsche? i thought he had a few spiritually inclined ideas and he is
>misunderstood since the nazis changed co-opted and perverted his ideas.
> anyone else wanna help me out on this?
> later,
> jeremy
> -----original message-----
> from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> date: saturday, may 05, 2001 6:23 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> wow! coming from you korga that's a great compliment. i had
>started to feel that "vacuum" that has happened in the past when i release
>a major effort and there's a deafening silence... so thank you for the
>comments. i get lots of email and that's grand, i try to answer it as best
>i can, but when someone comments on new releases it means a lot more... i
>know people are seeing it but still...

>
> compared to shift of the ages, this is a friggin' brick house. and
>yes, in "vedic yoga, seth and multidimensional cosmology" there's a whole
>section on "create your own reality."
>
> now i've got to get up the energy to pump out the remainder of
>it... and that's the part that will really sock it to 'em in one thundering
>moment at the end, as the whole kit and kaboodle comes together. most of
>this end section is written (probably 3/5 or more of it, just in scattered
>fragments of writing) and the unwritten parts are relatively known in terms
>of where we're going. i'm still woefully overtired in my recovery from the
>all-day and all-nighter that i pulled monday... i was so "juiced" after
>having the focused spiritual energy of five million people pouring into my
>mortal coil that i literally felt like the "ubermensch" of nietzsche and
>felt no need for sleep... (btw i do not recommend nietzsche, that's a
>joke...

>
> now i'm paying. hard. so if anyone else would like to 'pay a
>tithe' for my efforts by your feedback and comments i'd be delighted. right
>now i'm still watching dvds to calm back down and reset my brain.
>
> i can assure you that this book is solid gold and eventually will
>be seen as a classic work of science and spirit... undoubtedly it could
>have as much of an effect on society as the cayce readings once did.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
> ----- original message -----
> from: korga@hotmail.com
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 12:37 pm
> subject: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
>
>
> i've begun printing out ciii and four chapters into it i am
>absolutely amazed. you've done amazing work here
> david. unfortunately the ink on my printer ran out so i
>couldn't print out everything yet but of what i've read so
> far it is absolutely beautiful. i don't have any yet but i hope
>you and everyone here are open for questions and
> discussion as we get through the material.
>
> incidently there is also a new group forming for those
>interested:
>
> there is a new group forming at
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/visualearth/
>
> visualize a new earth
>
>
> the point of this group is to
>bring those souls together who recognizing these as
> times of change. the basic
>belief is that what we are experiencing the
> manifestation of the global
>consciousness as it goes through its final growing
> pains. as with any adolescence
>what is needed at this time is guidance and
> clarification of the goals. it
>is consciousness and only consciousness which will
> determine what the future will
>be. this group aims to work toward a vision of our
> future world so as to positively
>move consciousness toward a universal destiny.
>
> what we are trying to do here is
>identify a conscious solution not a technological
> solution. what is at work here
>are spiritual influences and these simply cannot
> be altered by physical means.
>we must solve our spiritual problems with spiritual
> answers. we cannot escape into
>spirituality however, as the physical will not just
> disappear. whatever we create
>on the spiritual plane will manifest into a physical
> reality. but in order for it
>to combat against the spiritual process now in the
> making it must be a strong
>concentrated effort of consciousness.. this space is
> created that we may share our
>insights in this matter so that our efforts are
> unified toward that conscious
>solution. these are indeed changing times and
> each and every person must
>choose which part they will play.
>
>
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David Bowie · 05-08-2001, 01:16 PM

i'll get those questions rolling in soon

-nathan

p.s my real name is nathan. i use this e-mail for overseas trading and i
dont want those people to know my real name.

>from: "david wilcock" <djw333@...>
>reply-to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
>to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
>subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
>date: tue, 8 may 2001 15:22:53 -0400
>
>jeremy may be able to help you out if i'm not immediately able to... i
>think we'd all learn from discussing some well-placed questions on ra.
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
> ----- original message -----
> from: david bowie
> to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> sent: sunday, may 06, 2001 2:00 pm
> subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
>
>
> hey all,
>
> i'm not usually one to ask for help but i'm very interested in learning
>more
> about these subjects. i have cognitive disabilities and its hard for me
>to
> read the larger language in the ra section of the website and understand
>it.
>
> i first heard about your group on the art bell show. my goal is to
>better
> understand these different enrgies and how to controll my own. i dont
>know
> if that makes sense or not, i'm not very good with words.
>
> i dont expect you all to translate the whole ra thing.. but if i have
> questions when trying to go through it all can i ask questions?
>
> lol... thanks
>
> nathan
>
>
> >from: "david wilcock" <djw333@...>
> >reply-to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> >to: <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> >subject: re: [asc2k] nietzsche
> >date: sun, 6 may 2001 00:51:02 -0400
> >
> >now wait... before all our ra newbies get the wrong idea, the law of
>one
> >series says a number of times that even in the case of negative
>entities,
> >you should "wish them well" even as you are 'rejecting their service as
>not
> >being useful for your path at this time.'
> >
> >thanks for digging up some info for us.
> >
> >- david
> > ----- original message -----
> > from: jeremy weiland
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> > sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 11:52 pm
> > subject: [asc2k] nietzsche
> >
> >
> > hey, interesting story... hope he turned out all right. it's
>funny,
> >but i had a similar experience with a friend of mine. he was a big
> >environmentalist (and very talented musician) who all the sudden, after
>me
> >introducing him to libertarianism, started raving and ranting about
> >combining the two ideas and how he was gonna start a business that
>would
> >save the earth and wrote mass e-mails to the whole campus about how
> >important it was and that you should smoke weed and support hemp and
>all
> >sorts of stuff. parents came for him and he was whisked off to the
>loony
> >bin and they put him on heavy drugs... never was comfortable with the
> >situation, and don't like the way his parents handled it, but i'm gonna
> >visit him this summer so at least he's alright now. i guess people
>just
> >have certain things that they need to go through, and they play their
>role
> >and you play yours and there it is.
> >
> > this whole thing about the "uebermenschen" is really just a
>bunch of
> >nazi propaganda and has nothing to do with what nietzsche actually
>meant.
> >the idea of a "superman" was (way i see it) a person who had integrated
>all
> >his experiences and was a conquerer of self. the nazis reinterpreted
>this
> >to mean a class of humans that were already at this point by virtue of
> >simple genetics. here's some quotes from some of his books that i
>found
> >that really drive it home:
> >
> > "i teach you the overman (uebermensch). man is something to be
> >overcome."
> > (thus spake zarathustra, prologue, ch 3)
> >
> > "to those human beings who are of any concern to me i wish
>suffering,
> >desolation, sickness, ill-treatment, indignities - i wish that they
>should
> >not remain unfamiliar with profound self-contempt, the torture of
> >self-mistrust, the wretchedness of the vanquished: i have no pity for
>them,
> >because i wish them the only thing that can prove today whether one is
> >worth anything or not - that one endures."
> > (the will to power, p 481)
> >
> >
> > the second quote seems a tad bit evil, but isn't this what we really
>are
> >doing to ourselves? going through all sorts of suffering, but there's
>a
> >purpose. to me, it sounds like another interpretation of the ra
>material -
> >we're here to discover our potential. also sounds a lot like ayn rand,
>for
> >whom i have a great deal of respect.
> >
> > this gives me a great idea! who are you guys' favorite
>philosophers?
> >group sharing time!!!! lol
> >
> > all right, take care guys,
> > jeremy
> > -----original message-----from: david wilcock <djw333@...>
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> > date: saturday, may 05, 2001 9:08 pm
> > subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > when i was a freshman in college, a guy i called "crazy larry"
>(which
> >is a pejorative term i know, i'm just being honest with you) was really
> >into nietzsche and made my life a living hell... i think he gravitated
>to
> >me because we were both deep thinkers. he was convinced that he was
> >becoming an "overman" and used to talk too often about how the german
>navy
> >would wear black underwear that they didn't change for an entire month
>and
> >called it "the whore's underpants" because of the smell... yes,
>disgusting.
> >
> > he was a walking dictionary of information about military and
>wars,
> >yet he had long hair, constantly had a cigarette and coffee and had
>hippie
> >ideologies in other ways with his own armada of tie-dyes hidden under
>the
> >black navy peacoat that he wore in warm weather. he used to smoke
> >cigarettes in my room, stay up all night wandering the halls and
>thinking
> >deep thoughts (because he had transcended sleep) and was constantly
>trying
> >to analytically figure out how to fuse the "military" and "hippie"
>parts of
> >himself together. we had long conversations about this... and i told
>him
> >that the key was self-acceptance.
> >
> > i tried to help him regain mental health by encouraging him to
>sleep
> >and stay in dark rooms at night even if he wasn't tired. he ended up
>being
> >placed in a facility in california after the end of that year, also
>after
> >smashing all his belongings in his room. it turns out that this place
>was a
> >christian establishment, and with the help of psychotropic medications
>and
> >a huge amount of guilt, he went fundamentalist and was released. then
>he
> >came back, called me up to visit and tried to convince me that i was
>going
> >to hell in my sophomore year! the song "you're so right" was written in
>his
> >honor... i don't remember whether that's one of the ones in the music
> >section online or not. i think it is there, actually.
> >
> > he told the people at the facility that he 'couldn't stop
>screaming'
> >and they gave him navane, which essentially turned him into a
>flat-liner...
> >

i did recommend that he demand a lighter medication after i
> >researched it and saw what it did... essentially a "chemical straight
> >jacket for the mind." he told me that he didn't even want to get out of
>bed
> >long enough to go to the store, he just sat and smoked all day in bed.
>i
> >think getting off that navane did help him... the second time he came
>to
> >"visit" me ended in disaster, at the beginning of my junior year... he
> >overstayed his welcome and i had to stand up to him and tell him that i
>was
> >sorry but i wasn't going to let him stay in my room past the time i had
> >agreed to. applying wisdom in these situations is never easy....

> >
> > so let's say i was 'front loaded.' actually other than larry i
>don't
> >know much of nietzsche... i just didn't want to make recommendations
>after
> >seeing what happened to larry when he was reading it all the time. but
> >then, this is not a direct assessment... so if you know anything more
>i'd
> >be glad to hear it.
> >
> > peace be with you -
> >
> > - david
> > ----- original message -----
> > from: jeremy weiland
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> > sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 7:59 pm
> > subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > just out of curiosity, david, what do you have against
> >nietzsche? i thought he had a few spiritually inclined ideas and he is
> >misunderstood since the nazis changed co-opted and perverted his ideas.
> > anyone else wanna help me out on this?
> > later,
> > jeremy
> > -----original message-----
> > from: david wilcock <djw333@...>
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com <asc2k@yahoogroups.com>
> > date: saturday, may 05, 2001 6:23 pm
> > subject: re: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > wow! coming from you korga that's a great compliment. i had
> >started to feel that "vacuum" that has happened in the past when i
>release
> >a major effort and there's a deafening silence... so thank you for the
> >comments. i get lots of email and that's grand, i try to answer it as
>best
> >i can, but when someone comments on new releases it means a lot more...
>i
> >know people are seeing it but still...

> >
> > compared to shift of the ages, this is a friggin' brick house.
>and
> >yes, in "vedic yoga, seth and multidimensional cosmology" there's a
>whole
> >section on "create your own reality."
> >
> > now i've got to get up the energy to pump out the remainder of
> >it... and that's the part that will really sock it to 'em in one
>thundering
> >moment at the end, as the whole kit and kaboodle comes together. most
>of
> >this end section is written (probably 3/5 or more of it, just in
>scattered
> >fragments of writing) and the unwritten parts are relatively known in
>terms
> >of where we're going. i'm still woefully overtired in my recovery from
>the
> >all-day and all-nighter that i pulled monday... i was so "juiced" after
> >having the focused spiritual energy of five million people pouring into
>my
> >mortal coil that i literally felt like the "ubermensch" of nietzsche
>and
> >felt no need for sleep... (btw i do not recommend nietzsche, that's a
> >joke...

> >
> > now i'm paying. hard. so if anyone else would like to 'pay a
> >tithe' for my efforts by your feedback and comments i'd be delighted.
>right
> >now i'm still watching dvds to calm back down and reset my brain.
> >
> > i can assure you that this book is solid gold and eventually
>will
> >be seen as a classic work of science and spirit... undoubtedly it could
> >have as much of an effect on society as the cayce readings once did.
> >
> > peace be with you -
> >
> > - david
> > ----- original message -----
> > from: korga@...
> > to: asc2k@yahoogroups.com
> > sent: saturday, may 05, 2001 12:37 pm
> > subject: [asc2k] thanks david and new group
> >
> >
> > i've begun printing out ciii and four chapters into it i am
> >absolutely amazed. you've done amazing work here
> > david. unfortunately the ink on my printer ran out so i
> >couldn't print out everything yet but of what i've read so
> > far it is absolutely beautiful. i don't have any yet but i
>hope
> >you and everyone here are open for questions and
> > discussion as we get through the material.
> >
> > incidently there is also a new group forming for those
> >interested:
> >
> > there is a new group forming at
> >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/visualearth/
> >
> > visualize a new earth
> >
> >
> > the point of this group is
>to
> >bring those souls together who recognizing these as
> > times of change. the basic
> >belief is that what we are experiencing the
> > manifestation of the global
> >consciousness as it goes through its final growing
> > pains. as with any
>adolescence
> >what is needed at this time is guidance and
> > clarification of the goals.
> it
> >is consciousness and only consciousness which will
> > determine what the future
>will
> >be. this group aims to work toward a vision of our
> > future world so as to
>positively
> >move consciousness toward a universal destiny.
> >
> > what we are trying to do
>here is
> >identify a conscious solution not a technological
> > solution. what is at work
>here
> >are spiritual influences and these simply cannot
> > be altered by physical
>means.
> >we must solve our spiritual problems with spiritual
> > answers. we cannot escape
>into
> >spirituality however, as the physical will not just
> > disappear. whatever we
>create
> >on the spiritual plane will manifest into a physical
> > reality. but in order for
>it
> >to combat against the spiritual process now in the
> > making it must be a strong
> >concentrated effort of consciousness.. this space is
> > created that we may share
>our
> >insights in this matter so that our efforts are
> > unified toward that
>conscious
> >solution. these are indeed changing times and
> > each and every person must
> >choose which part they will play.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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