Young and wise

[Beardedsage]

Just thought I would test the waters with this one...

I was born in 1981, at a very young age I knew there was more to life then I was seeing, and I can remember being just a young boy with this feeling of purpose asking the sky 'why am I here...?'

Keeping this short, in my teens I knew that when I was 30 I would be my completed self, and through the wisdom that was passing into me and out onto those around me, I felt as though I was young compared to others passing "milestones" in my perspectives and depths to thought in an accelerated rate.

I always thought there was a purpose to my accelerated learning process, in that it was preparing me for a set time... This at a time when 2012 and it's full understanding I have of its transition now, was beyond my growing visions.

In closing I'm curious to see if there are others who are at a young age who perhaps have experienced this? , or there are those who have an opinion on this topic...

There is much that I have left out for the sake of keeping this short for the arousal of the topic, of which I can add if there are those interested.

Thanks for your time in advance when reading this.

Peace and light.

[Jonni Anton]

Personally, I have been witnessing many people of all ages going through what you describe as "accelerated learning processes." I think it has to do with the big shift we are all going through. Although I am an 'old fogey,' I think this is a great topic for discussion and would love to hear more. With today's 'Twitter mentality' everyone feels they need to be extremely brief in their expressions but I prefer to hear more. If someone has a story to tell I'd like to hear the whole story rather than just a very short encapsulation. So I hope people will feel free to share more than just mere soundbites. I look forward to what people have to say on this topic. Thanks for bringing it up, Beardedsage.

[Beardedsage]

Personally, I have been witnessing many people of all ages going through what you describe as "accelerated learning processes." I think it has to do with the big shift we are all going through. Although I am an 'old fogey,' I think this is a great topic for discussion and would love to hear more. With today's 'Twitter mentality' everyone feels they need to be extremely brief in their expressions but I prefer to hear more. If someone has a story to tell I'd like to hear the whole story rather than just a very short encapsulation. So I hope people will feel free to share more than just mere soundbites. I look forward to what people have to say on this topic. Thanks for bringing it up, Beardedsage.

Thanks for your reply, here's a bit of a longer story/possible explanation... As requested... And perhaps I'm an "old fogey" also,I don't even have a twitter account. Haha.

To my mind the answer to parts of this question lies within the duality of the smallest building blocks of ourselves, the electron.

When I discovered this finding within the research of quantum physics I immediately married it to the feeling throughout my life and my attempts to describe it from within myself as follows:

I would say- I can feel there is another part of myself that knows, connected to this part of me that acts then knows...

Another way I would describe it would be that I could only see with my limited vision very small sections of a larger picture, but I could feel the presence of the entirety of it through a peripheral vision that did not have the clarity or capacity to describe it, hence the limited viewing portal, it being the current parameters of growth of my ability to interpret and ingest the total vision.

The ideas I had were that as this small portal of my awareness shifted slowly across the completed picture, with the shifting movement triggered by the lessons learnt through experiences in the physical, it would begin to map out the areas visible in small sections to ones progressively completed into larger ones.

Thus with growth I could eventually interpret the picture slightly more, and when I say slightly I mean baby steps...

To describe all this succinctly into the completed picture I had within an epiphany today, I want to go back to where I started... The duality of the electron.

The electron being both a particle and a wave, when multiplied as the completed atom gives us our completed physical body (the particle) and our completed pure energy body (the wave) which I will call the wave body or wave state, which could also be called our higher self, which I like to think of a wave like one that is connected to a much larger body of water also... Like the oceans.

Now off topic for a moment I realize that David has his own interpretations of these states with his description of space/time and time/space, this is something to my delight I only discovered a few months ago when I stumbled onto David's work when researching the fundamentals of the first peaces of this now completed picture I'm describing. His work has helped me find more triggers to the movement of my viewing portal...

Ok now back to where I was going... I would like to describe two different spans of time, firstly the "life span" (being the particles life) and secondly the Wave span ( being the waves total cycle).

The life span we all know of today as the total living span of our physical bodies.

The wave span Being one of hundreds or thousands of physical years.

In the beginning of the dual births of ourselves our physical and wave state were both on virgin levels of wisdom and experience and as we grew, in turn did our wisdom grow in both states, the physical and the wave.

The difference being the wave state carries on through the death of the physical body, holding onto the lessons learnt in that life span into the next.

[Beardedsage]

Continued...

Before i go further I would like to define what the physical and wave states are in the environment of this plane and the purpose of their relationship to my mind to help give clarity to the perspective of this picture I'm trying to relay.

I feel the wave state has the purest faculties to interpret all the physical living experiences into the building blocks of a memory structure that can give back to the physical the knowledge it needs to become wise/loving/strong/peaceful and ultimately progress to be in tune with the pure state of its counterpart... The wave state.

Now... As the life spans tick over and the wave state grows in age and influence, a part of the test of the physical is to look within itself and find the whispers of its wave state, which are helping to give stepped direction from its higher level of vision to where the physical must go to attain eventual purity.
Therefor creating the factors of each life span through internal prompting, which are a step above the previous, with the accelerating factor being how well the physical can listen to the whispers of its counterpart, through not only the finding of its voice but through the indirect prompting that makes the physical act (if it so chooses) which as a result from its actions which when looking back along it's current progression ( which I discovered ) offer a track of learning that is pointing to a defined direction of growth, which is a form of listening in itself...

(Note: free will is the key to navigating the internal suggestions of path, its learning to direct this free will in tune with the attainment of the progression of our purity that is the objective.)

As the cycles progress eventually to a point where the physical and wave interact freely and become one, thus progressing from this plane of growth and the conditions of the dual state into whatever the next may be...

So... In answer to the reason why I had and accelerated learning process comes down to two possibilities... These and this body of work being purely the product of my perspectives, which are ideas that flow from my interpretation of the whispers of my wave state. Of which I think it's important for those on the path to listen to there own perspectives, because that's the purpose...developing "yourself".

Possibility number 1-*
Perhaps I am at a stage where the growth of my wave state has experienced many lifetimes and it's vision forward is far reaching and it's whispers are more like shouts to even my younger ears of growth, hence in turn giving me this sense of a connection to something beyond myself at a very young age.
Then forming a more direct path of learning and thus an acceleration.
My wave state could also see the transition approaching and is pushing me harder so we can be ready for it.

Possibility number 2-
Being that within David's description of a "wanderer" I have returned to be here at the time and before the transition, to help those around me in this pocket of the planet, hence the possible power of my wave state pushing me along quickly to eject my knowings out onto those again... Around me.


So there it is... Food for thought and my best efforts of what my vocabulary has to offer on the description of the vision within me.*

As a younger man I tried to stay away from all things written by others that begged me to conform to this or that in regards to spiritual progress, because I wanted to stay true to the warm knowing within me and develop my ear internally so that later on I could amongst all other noise, know the sound of truth.

There is an ancient Egyptian wisdom that as children we are like growing sticks, it's important to form the growth straight and true so that it becomes a strong walking stick to support our path in the future.

Peace and light.

[billybobbutterball]

Dear Bearded one, your account is intriguing. Frankly I'm quite jealous of your accelerated learning process in that my state of being has become that of the de-accelerated variety.

A recent "Prosvetta" arrival on my email conveyed this observation:

"You already know many things, but you do not know that you know.
This knowledge comes from a very long time ago, when you still
dwelt in the bosom of the Eternal, in light, love and beauty.
There you learned everything about your divine origin, your
predestination, the work you would have to do on earth to give
expression to all the powers of your soul and your spirit. But in
coming down to incarnate into matter, you forgot almost
everything, and so you need a Master, a teacher, to remind you of
what you had already learned about yourself and about the meaning
of life.
You will all have had the experience, when reading or hearing
certain explanations or truths, of something inside you
exclaiming, ‘But I know that already!’ Yes, you only had to
be reminded, just as embers are rekindled from beneath the ashes."

Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov

Concerning "intelligence" per se I recently read that although it is a very helpful tool in this 3-D world it is of a much lesser value "upstairs...??

It may have only a tenuous tangential connection with your observations, but are you familiar with the "Standing wave theory of matter"? You can Goggle a philosophical site that delves into that interesting concept.

Best! BBB

[Jonni Anton]

Wow, Beardedsage, I really, really, really enjoyed your posts! You put a big smile on my face.

I am going to think on this some more but for now I would like to respond to one comment you made: "In the beginning of the dual births of ourselves our physical and wave state were both on virgin levels of wisdom." - Beardedsage

What if our wave state was created first. It was created directly from Source. Being created directly from Source it already contained all the wisdom of Source. Our physical state was then created as our wave state waved through this reality. Being born into a physical state of duality, our physical state was separated from that all-encompassing wisdom inherant in the wave state birthed from the Source. The separation, of course, was an illusion created by the dualistic environment the physical being was born into. The separation was merely the result of the 'forgetting' of that wisdom we were birthed with by the Source. The wisdom was inherant within us but we created a separation from it in order to 'relearn' it through physical experience. We were birthed as unlimited beings with unlimited wisdom (in our wave state) but in order to actualize that wisdom we chose to experience a limited reality through which we would have to 'remember' that inherant wisdom that is our birthright. Perhaps we can say that we were birthed as a wave containing the unlimited wisdom of our Source and we chose to experience limitedness (physicality) in order to fully know and understand and actualize the unlimitedness from which we came and of which we are a part. Perhaps we can say that we are a wave birthed out from our Source that, through waving through physicality, endeavored to know itself through first not knowing itself. Maybe we are God looking in the mirror.

Those are just some thoughts I'm throwing out--thoughts inspired by your posts. Thank you, and I will think on this some more.

[EcyaC]

...Maybe we are God looking in the mirror.

Those are just some thoughts I'm throwing out--thoughts inspired by your posts. Thank you, and I will think on this some more.

Now here's some of my thoughts inspired by your post!:

You say, maybe we are God looking in the mirror? I think we're definitely God looking in the imaginary mirror.

I think, in reality, God's reflection is constantly on display from infinite points of view -- no real mirror required; we are the mirror.

Consider this: When a young enough child looks in the mirror they do not see themselves reflected back.

Eventually, they figure out, or learn, which part of the reflection seems to definitely belong to them. The illusion of ownership typically makes them shy, at first.

Then they likely go on to learn they had it right to begin with; they are the mirror as well and everything the mirror can, and cannot, reflect.

When you can look in the mirror and see God, and look at others and see God, and look at everything and see God, you're probably perceiving things as right as rain.

God is infinite light/life and the opposites. This is, practically, the entire definition of God. Life seems to indicate God isn't particularly, always, happy with the reflections displayed...

How could it be totally happy with it's reflection?!? I wouldn't be happy seeing an infinite, incomplete, reflection, either. I need to think there's an ending to my reflection so I can think I can see all of it at times.

I need to think there's a beginning to myself, to God, for the time being. I want to feel like some things belong to me only, rather than everything belonging to everyone.

Once, on a bad drug trip from mj, I seriously felt one with everything and it was horrifying.

No longer do I want to think there's a chance we're all one and that I have been alone forever and will be alone forever. However, though, like most everyone, I clearly don't always get what I want.

Right now, for peace of mind, more often than not I finding myself wanting/needing the separation illusion.

I need death to be a reality because I need to feel like certain parts of me, evil parts, can cease to exist permanently. I don't want to feel stuck with something forever, and this includes myself, but alas it seems I am stuck myself (consciousness) forever.

Thus, I am very thankful when I get to forget about the infinite oneness of things these days.

Although, I am very grateful I learned this powerful lesson as now it'd be really really really hard for me to intentionally put another through something I myself wouldn't want to be put through.

I cannot wait to find out what made james holmes decide to tell us about his booby-traps. I think things got really real for him when he heard some of the horror he was capable causing and this made him imagine he was the victims...

When you can easily imagine yourself in someone else's shoes, things change.

I can truly understand why the majority of us don't let ourselves believe in oneness and I respect this and get jealous of people with this point of view because once you let yourself grasp oneness you can't easily go back to always forgetting it.

One cannot deny, sometimes, ignorance is bliss.

[Beardedsage]

Dear Bearded one, your account is intriguing. Frankly I'm quite jealous of your accelerated learning process in that my state of being has become that of the de-accelerated variety.

A recent "Prosvetta" arrival on my email conveyed this observation:

"You already know many things, but you do not know that you know.
This knowledge comes from a very long time ago, when you still
dwelt in the bosom of the Eternal, in light, love and beauty.
There you learned everything about your divine origin, your
predestination, the work you would have to do on earth to give
expression to all the powers of your soul and your spirit. But in
coming down to incarnate into matter, you forgot almost
everything, and so you need a Master, a teacher, to remind you of
what you had already learned about yourself and about the meaning
of life.
You will all have had the experience, when reading or hearing
certain explanations or truths, of something inside you
exclaiming, ‘But I know that already!’ Yes, you only had to
be reminded, just as embers are rekindled from beneath the ashes."

Omraam Mikhaël Aïvanhov

Concerning "intelligence" per se I recently read that although it is a very helpful tool in this 3-D world it is of a much lesser value "upstairs...??

It may have only a tenuous tangential connection with your observations, but are you familiar with the "Standing wave theory of matter"? You can Goggle a philosophical site that delves into that interesting concept.

Best! BBB

"Bearded one" haha I like it,
Firstly thanks for the response and the intrigue...

Secondly, the descriptive insight into our possible origins which you provided is worded in a way that could fit in behind some of my ideas, to my mind it describes the same fundamentally important step as my thoughts conveyed...which is developing the ear to listen.

"Listening" being a multifaceted objective, beyond the confines of its literal meaning.

The awareness of my first foray into the idea of truly "listening" we're triggered by words of an ancient Egyptian sage, who at the age of 110 decided to leave behind his wisdom for the world, words that are some 3000 years old, words that based on the cultural, architectural, and spiritual achievements of the ancient Egyptians, I was drawn to, and to my mind contained still the true message of the singular authors vision, in comparison to other "books".

One of the excerpts from this is as follows:

MAXIM 39: EPILOGUE 2 - "On the need to listen and understand"

'It is useful useful for a spiritual son to listen. If a person immerses himself in listening, he will start to understand. True listening makes the word valuable. The person who knows how to listen can master what is enlightening and useful.
Listening benefits the one who listens. Listening is better than anything - it engenders perfect love. How,fortunate when a son can accept what his father says! Understanding that message, he will reach a grand old age. The conscience of a mans heart determines whether he listens or not. For a human being this heart-conscience is life, prosperity and health.
It is the man who listens who understands what is said. It is the man who loves listening who fulfills what is said. How fortunate when a son obeys his father.
He who listens to the person who hands on this teaching will be well in his innermost self and blessed by his father. His memory will live on in words of those living on this earth or of those not yet born.'*

This finding coming after a time that I knew I could "hear" the workings of this place and "hear" the presence of my guidance, this then being an affirmation of that knowing and giving it a body through the description from an ancient sage.

The Egyptologist/author who put the interpreted maxims into a book is Christian Jacq and the book is called "The wisdom of Ptah Hotep".

On your comment in regards to "intelligence",
It's funny you mention it because it's something I've pondered over recently...

I will attempt to give my interpretation...

Continued -

[Beardedsage]

[QUOTE=billybobbutterball;64727]


Continued-

Let's start with the definition of the three states in the context we are speaking of:

in·tel·li·gence *

a. The capacity to acquire and apply knowledge.
b. The faculty of thought and reason.
c. Superior powers of mind. See Synonyms at mind.

knowl·edge *

1. The state or fact of knowing.
2. Familiarity, awareness, or understanding gained through experience or study.
3. The sum or range of what has been perceived, discovered, or learned.
4. Learning; erudition: teachers of great knowledge.
5. Specific information about something.
6. Carnal knowledge.

Know-ing

1. Possessing knowledge, information, or understanding. See Synonyms at intelligent.
2. Showing clever awareness and resourcefulness
3. Suggestive of secret or private knowledge
4. Deliberate; conscious:

Now I'll give what my interpretations are of this trinity of states...

Going back to the duality theories I will marry up each state with the states I have explained previously as follows:

Intelligence is a faculty of the physical

Knowledge is a faculty of the wave state

Knowing is the source of oneness/god, behind the wave state

There is also a duality of knowledge, one that is contained in the physical world and one that is manifested and contained in the wave state-through the lessons of living
throughout its "wave span", which in-turn are whispered to the physical in hopes of directing it to the true completion of both itself and the physical, as I've explained in my last post.

Now to give example of the different statuses of beings living around us and justifying this breakdown I will explain it this way:

There are those that have amassed and retained the knowledge from only the physical which is a direct action of there free will using there faculty of intelligence.

(now... You must bare with me, the totality of this vision is very large and I've only in the last few minutes seen its completeness)

Ok...remembering the objective is to listen to our wave state (true knowledge) and its guidance which as it grows in awareness it gets closer to the "knowing" (source/creator) and there for filters that knowing/feeling to that which is beyond this plane into the physical, therefor giving it a connection to the path beyond the confines of the "physical knowledge".*

So... In light of this, back to those who only "listen" to the "knowledge" of the physical, they as a result only have a connection and awareness to the physical, and from this there are those considered "knowledgable" through there faculty of "intelligence" that can and will argue the non-existence of anything beyond this plane for they are not "listening" to there wave state knowing(that which is beyond the physical).

It is why those that do listen to there wave states "knowledge" find harmony between "science" and "faith" because it is a direct microcosm of the merging of the "physical" to the "wave state", and then ultimately to completed harmony.

I must say that I am amazed that this has just come through me, and how much sense it makes to my awareness.*

I hope it makes some sense to yours.

Possibly this has been a direct interpretation of what I feel to be my wave states "knowledge" whispering to me from its higher state of knowing and vision.

I haven't had a chance to look at the "standing wave length of matter" I've been busy wave-storming this response since I walked in the door at home. I will look it up soon...

Jonni thanks for the positive feedback I love that it has ignited ideas, I would like to hear more and share some more equally, I'll find time shortly.

Peace and light*

[billybobbutterball]

To Dear Bearded One....

Wow! Your power of speculation is way over my pay grade!

Concerning the "Standing Wave Theory of Matter"

Couldn't find the nifty original site...(philosophically orientated) but here is a link to the same
Wolf guy...also available are several blurry video interviews...

Quantum wave structure of matter

mwolff.tripod.com/
A research forum for the study of the quantum wave structure of matter. ... Submit your Research: Submit your own research and ideas on wave theory to this .... For a more detailed description of the Standing Wave and how it works, visit the ...etc.

Best...billybob