I don't feel this Law of one is that grandiose

[MrZ]

I have released Vakuna's last post, but I do want to remind all member's that the Law of One Thread is designed to study the Law of One material, not attack its premise. As our rules state:



This forum discusses positive spirituality as set forth by the books. Its main premise is that We Are One. Everyone has a right to believe in separation, however, this forum does not discuss that. Also, if you have not read the books or the outline for the books that can be found on this site, the member should not be posting in this thread where we study the Law of One. For further information, I invite everyone to familiarize themselves with the rules at the top of each thread. Thank you, Chris

I do not see that this is in any form an attack on the law of 1 or David W. Why dont you let people express their concerns so that they can be built up by those that have insight? I am confident that there are many people that flock to this site full of great insight. You moderators edit way too much on this site. It should be a place to learn, and grow. And in order to do that you need your concerns resolved. David offers alot of valuable information, and I for one would love to learn more. But it seems everytime I think of something serious that needs asking, I recall how often my own posts had been rejected. That is simply a very debilitating attitude towards moderation.

[Linx]

We couldn't agree more MrZ.
We remember attempting to make an insightful post that somewhat "questioned" the Law of One material, with the hope of starting some great and broad discussions, only to find it was refused due to it "confronting" what many on this board believe. Personally, we think it's very healthy if ones belief system is challenged; it's gets the individual to ask questions, rather than be subserviant and decending their single belief system (much like a religious fanatic)
On topic now, incidentally... Should it be called the "Lore of One" material as opposed to "Law of One"?
'Law,' to us, sounds rather authoritarian and non-organic... But what do others think?
(*cough* This post will likely be declined ^^; )

[billybobbutterball]

Woe to us poor mods! -- once again made to suffer from vicious, half-baked bashing of us sensitive, under appreciated and generally misunderstood fanatical servants of this holy forum dedicated to the L01 ...etc.

But here's the rub..Questioning the material spawned out of the adoption of the inviolate principle of the Law of One is "one thing" but dinking around with the singular, philosophical cornerstone itself is non-productive on our forum since the whole logical structure spawned by it collapses.

One requirement before contributing to the DC forum is have some grounding in the Ra Material and in general be friendly to its its concept of "religious philosophy"...

On site is a streamlined study guide for the RA Material....otherwise there are the 5 volumes covering the original body of work -- which takes a lot of devoted time and effort.

Note: A helpful, orienting concept that I keep in mind is that the Cosmic plan is thatWisdom/Knowledge is obtained through the experiences gained by the employment of "Diversity within Unity" Does that help any?


Please keep in mind that it is the concept of Unity that sets the LAW OF ONE absolutely apart from conventional Christian theologies...which suppose an absolute separation of the Creator from the created... The idea that we are sparks from the Creator is considered a major heresy.....a believer could end up stuck on the burning stake.

Whooops!! I'm past my bedtime -- with the result being that the above is rather dis-jointed. Sorry.

Please understand that the opinions above represent my level of understanding and are not Holy Writ, etc.

best! BBB

[Linx]

Awh, we're deeply sorry if what we mentioned in our last post hurt you Billy (among others)*
=(*
We did expect our last post would get some shocked reactions, even though that was never the intention, and we'll say it again, we're sorry if our sword of truth hurt. However, we won't be pulling it out. Instead, we'll thrust it deeper by asking this question:
"Does Life exist beyond the Law of One?"

*Whether or not that can be answered is perfectly fine, and no matter what becomes of us from asking this simple question, we'll Love you all no less without conditions <3 ^^ **group hugs**

[billybobbutterball]

Awh, we're deeply sorry if what we mentioned in our last post hurt you Billy (among others)*
=(*
We did expect our last post would get some shocked reactions, even though that was never the intention, and we'll say it again, we're sorry if our sword of truth hurt. However, we won't be pulling it out. Instead, we'll thrust it deeper by asking this question:
"Does Life exist beyond the Law of One?"

*Whether or not that can be answered is perfectly fine, and no matter what becomes of us from asking this simple question, we'll Love you all no less without conditions <3 ^^ **group hugs**

"Sword of Truth" ?

Well, to tell the truth, my answer is, "No", "Life does not exist outside the "Law of One." How can it? In fact, nothing exists outside the scope of the Law of One -- and that includes the vacuum of space.

Some suggested reading from me is the famous near death experience of Mellen Thomas Benedict. My favorite bit was when he asked the "higher power" chaperoning him what was the best religion to follow..the surprising answer was, "I don't care." That takes some pondering! A great body of info is contained in Dolores Cannon's four volumes making up the "Convoluted Universe." You can find an interview of Dolores on Project Camelot. I've spent a lot of time on LLResearch (the origin of the RA Material") I love the vast material following that great effort.

Thanks for the group Hug! That healed my battered being. Any chance of a kiss on the cheek? Thought so...

The highest and best good to all concerned!!

[C-JEAN]

Hi Vakuna.

To see a "practical" way of seeing/understanding the "being one" idea, do a research on:
" What the BLEEP do we know?! down the rabbit hole! "

It is an extraordinary 3 DVD kit !!
It changed MANY of my ideas in life, and answered MANY other important questions !

Blue skies.

Explanatory comment by Jr. Mod., billybobbutterball ...Normally, the link to "What the Bleep," would not be allowed because humongous amounts of the material doesn't jive well with the forum ground rules. But it is lots of fun, so, what the heck...but I can be over-ruled by the "Powers That Be"...(the Trio of Mark, Chris and Kris)

[EcyaC]

"Sword of Truth" ?

Well, to tell the truth, my answer is, "No", "Life does not exist outside the "Law of One." How can it? In fact, nothing exists outside the scope of the Law of One -- and that includes the vacuum of space.

Some suggested reading from me is the famous near death experience of Mellen Thomas Benedict. My favorite bit was when he asked the "higher power" chaperoning him what was the best religion to follow..the surprising answer was, "I don't care." That takes some pondering! A great body of info is contained in Dolores Cannon's four volumes making up the "Convoluted Universe." You can find an interview of Dolores on Project Camelot. I've spent a lot of time on LLResearch (the origin of the RA Material") I love the vast material following that great effort.

Thanks for the group Hug! That healed my battered being. Any chance of a kiss on the cheek? Thought so...

The highest and best good to all concerned!!

Can we ban Linx [Gollum] for not reading, and sympathizing, with the forum rules for participation?

Comment: BBB...Now, Sarah, I can understand where you are coming from....but let's not make him (it?) a martyr.. (:>))

[Linx]

Awh, want a kiss too? *kisses on cheek* x3 <3
Hmm,*Dolores Cannon? Haven't heard of that individual... We'll look into her material; sounds rather intriguing ^^
Now we have yet another challenging question/concern that relates to the topic at hand:

"The One Infinite Creator"... We've been deeply contemplating this, and we realize that that title in itself sounds contradicting...
How can you have One, which is finite, then be infinite?
How can a single entity be the creator of all things infinitely, forever, with no end, and no beginning, that is in charge of all of that, and creates all life? Sounds like totality to us... and something about it just doesn't feel right...
Now we're not proposing here that god doesn't exist, which we know firsthand does ( from our understanding, everything is a being and is alive after all, therefore this uni-verse is also a living being), but the concept of this one being that is the creator and ruler of all things infinitely with no end, just feels somewhat contradicting... (and maybe...possibly... as a possibility to at least be taken into consideration... this could be some entity "playing god", with it's own version of "love"...?)

Could someone address this concern of ours? Or should we connect to this being ourself and ask directly, if no one else will? (may be abit awkward for us though, since we've disconnected ourself from our chakra system and litterally "thrown it away" & instead now functioning from a single energetic center ^^; )

Many Thanks in advance~ ^o^

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Billious sez...Concerning the concept of infinity...its incomprehensible.. Some infinities are larger than others...the concept of One representing infinity as a "set" might pass... I don't know... But I think our problem here is that your idea of an infinite creator is all mixed up with a finite anthropomorphic god figure rushing around trying to pull on a profound number of strings.

"God" is the "First" One Infinite Creator...there is only one infinite creator...other creator figures, such as the RA and The Elohim, are much closer to the usual idea of personal god figures...They are little gods...even tho they are made up of millions of entities...They don't want to be worshiped, rather they
have stated that they feel more in tune with shaking our hands...really. (The Elohim in the Bible is taken
as the "Creator"...that is only true in a limited fashion.) The Elohim and the Ra work together in looking
after us humanoids.. Neither the RA nor the Elohim really have a full understanding of the Infinite Creator.

The RA tell us they are on the verge of moving into the 7th dimension ...only a million or so years to go...practically there already!!

About the nature of the BIG god...Three main views....Transcendent...Pantheist...Panentheist.

The Bible makes a point that God is both transcendent and immanent...So throw out the limited orthodox view. Pantheism ties the Creator to the creation...so, preceding big bang creation, no god to create anything! -- including the bang. So...it seems that PanENtheism ties it all together very nicely...
As Mark pointed out, with his Hologram model, all is part of the One Creator...we are teeny, divine sparks set out to explore the creation from top to bottom...the resulting acquired knowledge is our reason for existing makes up our future present to our bigger self...incidentally, our bodies have been studiously engineered over aeons... not zipped-zapped overnight (Tho, keeping in mind that time is merely an illusion, etc,)

About the nasty false-god thing...there is a name,,,but my aging brain is faltering...named the d... dia....something...It mistakenly thinks it is The Prime Creator...

**** False god is DEMIURG...see east/west studies Scott Mandelker.com


Look...I'm getting far afield here...it would be embarrassing for a mod to be modded by his peers...please go read some Dolores Cannon...I'm on my third time around and keep learning stuff...

Best, Bill... AKA billybobbutterball

[DFS]

I offer some thoughts for consideration.

First, consider the nature of our limited 3D consciousness. The most fundamental given is separation. All our sensory input and experiencing supports the understanding that we are separate individuals trapped in a material form.

This condition of isolation prompts us to think in terms of dualities such as self and not self and to apply those dualities in an attempt to understand this material illusion.

Thus it is that while we may be able to conceptualize unity or oneness, the limited nature of our 3D consciousness prevents us from truly grasping and knowing unity. Try as we might, we cannot think unity, cannot grasp or picture it as we might the color red, or the pain of a burn, or the tart sweetness of an apple. Unity is a concept that runs counter to our experiences and given sense of separation. The best we can do is to try to frame or conceptualize unity within limits we can know and/or imagine.

In his book, _The Ghost In The Machine_, Arthur Koestler coined the term 'holarchy.' It combines the Greek word 'holos' meaning "whole" with 'hierarkhia' for High Preist, which is a root for the term hierarchy. It is intended to describe a hierarchically organized group of independent units called 'holons'. A holon may, in itself, be a holarchy of lesser holons.

For example, the Earth may be viewed as a holarchy containing a vast number of holons and at the same time, it may also be thought of as a holon within the holarchy, Solar System, which in turn, may be a holon within the holarchy, Galaxy, which may be viewed as a holon within the holarchy, Universe. Thus, the holarchy, Universe, is the most inclusive or unifying holarchy.

What the Law of One does is offer a consistent, logical framework for a holarchy called Unity or One. The Holarchy, Unity or One, contains holons such as Universes, Co-creators, Densities and Distortions, which are also holarchies containing their own holons. Framed as a holarchy, unity is easier for our limited 3D consciousness to image or imagine. The LOO even points to what our limited 3D thinking might call the First Cause or the ultimate holarchy, which is identified as the Original Thought, which contains all that is, including the holon/holarchy, Unity.

As for myself, I see the value of the LOO as a consistent and logical framework which enhances my own limited understanding, imagining and knowing of the mystical and metaphysical nature of existence. It is not a religion or belief system. Rather, it offers a greater, holoarchical overview as well as useful insights without resorting to dogma or required beliefs or rituals, which are common elements of most religions. I find that I resonate with the LOO on a deep intuitive level.

DFS

[billybobbutterball]

Dear DFS

You offer us some interesting observations....

Hmmm?? I take it that you suggest that the term 'Holarchy' be used to describe the state of being that we hitherto have thought of as the fundamental principle, 'The LAW of ONE'?

A couple of things bother me; first of all is that the idea of the head of the topmost holarchy seems to me to automatically evoke the image of "the big guy in the sky" persona heresy. (:>( And does the idea of a holarchy deal with supernatural phenomena?

The hazy thought comes to me that Scott Mandelker.com has some fantastic info on his site...the section that I'm thinking of is "East West Studies"...or something like that. some googling should bring it up. I don't want to try to find it now for fear of losing this post....I will return later....if I don't get lost.

Some questions came up early about fallen souls stuck in the earthy mud -- have fallen down and can't get up, etc. Yes and no...this earth is a very important experiment...Different takes on that.. One important part is that the whole soul cannot come into the incarnation...the body would not survive that much energy impacting...so only a part....say 10 to 20 % is incarnated...The other 80% might be off saving the cosmos somewhere else. The point is that when Edgar Cayce reincarnated as David Wilcock only a small percentage of the soul stuff was involved....so, David is not a cookie-cutter Edgar replication

One last point of little importance....It seems that the term "Religion" is treated like a dirty word. Even my boss, the Honorable Christina H., treats it so as she is embarrassed whenever I use it (just teasing) But what we deal with on this forum consists of bits and pieces of a LoO philosophy of religion.

Note: A Philosophy of religion can deal with some 7(?) factors...a philosophy of religious atheism deals with 4 important factors... (Atheists don't like this...claiming it is like shaving a guy's head and calling the result a hair coloring.....but there is more to it than that)

I want to apologize for rambling on so....You see, this is the only place in the house with air conditioning.. and I needed an excuse for hiding here..

Naturally, all my idea stuff above is no more than my fallible opinions -- tho affected by my reading and thinking about stuff the end results are still highly suspect...

love! bbb