The DIY Thread - Building Source Field Detectors with available technology

[daven]

calling any and all engineers and/or inventors in the forum. i'm currently working on ways to detect and study the source fields using our current available technology. my setup at the moment is as follows:

analog oscilloscope
computer with oscope
arduino board, pinguino boards
wifi and bluetooth transmitter modules
a bunch of a/d converters for higher bit resolution
hall effect magnetic sensors, with some more sensitive magnetometers on the way.
crap load of op-amps for amplifiers
your standard electronics shop setup

from what i understand, a source field isn't something you can detect directly, but biological systems are much more prone to detect the source fields. the mechanical system from kozyrev's experiments, although i'd like to try them, they're much more expensive to replicate.

so the question i have is the following. i've already read mr. wilcock's book and took a look through the reference section. so far, the only experiment that even comes close to being technologically viable for detection is the one by the physicist from i think it was oak ridge national labs who detected anomalies in sap flow in trees using accelerometers. i grabbed a copy of his paper and read through it.

my question is is there anyone else whose managed to detect source fields using standard equipment, what's their setup. if no one's been able to detect them directly, then what secondary effects have been detected, and what's their setup. the tree sap flow experiment is pretty good, and i'm going to be equipping a buddy of mine in new england with a portable detector setup for the woods up there.

now, if neither are possible, then that leaves us with secondary observations in biological systems. if that's the case, has anyone made an attempt to detect them in say, a vat of bacteria placed under a pyramid structure, 3d crop circle implementation, and/or zpe device, and attempted to detect anomalies in electrical, magnetic fields, and biological chemistries. and if so, what setup did they use?

course, if no one's attempted that, then i'm on my own. i'm doing it regardless. it's that, and figure out how to build a direct sensor that i can read into my arduino/pinguino boards to see on a computer.

so, any resources, would be appreciated.

all da best
da asian brutha

[daven]

ok, i got asked a question about what my motivation is to post this new thread. allow me to explain.

for way too long i've had to endure what i consider to be a very primitive state of this planet. for as long as i can remember, i couldn't figure out why this place is, imo, such a backwater state in terms of consciousness and technology. it drives me up the wall sometimes. it's one of the reasons i've gone back to a career as an inventor/engineer.

put it to you this way, long before i'd ever heard of antigrav, when i was working with a certain organization on a rocket project, i remember telling my friends and associates that rockets were way, way, way obsolete. i always got funny looks from them whenever i said that.

and, nothing infuriates me more than realizing that because of the way the owo has set things up, we're at least a hundred to two hundred years behind where we should be. by now, we should at least be a k1 civilization! we can't even scrape k0! do y'all have any idea how bad that is? that's like failing kindergarten continuously.... and you're 15 years old.

other kindergartner world's looking at us - "hey, aren't you a little old to be in our class?"
us - "shaddup squirt."

that's what we get for letting ourselves be led by leaders who are fond of being at the bottom of the barrel. it blows my mind, especially after reading mr. wilcock's latest installment, that if that material is true, how unbelievably, horrifically unqualified the owo is/are/were to be leaders. talk about lack of vision! we should be traveling to other star systems right about now! on top of that, they could've been remembered as visionaries, and made immortal like odysseus or sun tzu, as the parents who shepherded this world's beings to becoming an interstellar race!

nooooooo. oh no, no no no. they'd rather be remembered for the rest of history in infamy and as ephitets to be uttered as the lowest of insults.

"dude, he got rothschilded / rockerfellered / nwowned."
"oh man, that's gotta suck."

yah, crap like that blows my mind. anyway, one of the things that's been pissing me off is how the patent system is completely abused today. a lot of it is due to the way the patent system is set up. by taking cues and guidance from the open source and open hardware movements, now that we have patent in the public domain initiatives, i truly, honestly believe that's the only way to get these concepts and technologies in the hands of as many people as possible. we already have enough documented evidence that there is something weird going on. back when they first discovered radiation, almost every single scientist thought that marie curie and her associates were crack pots. and that lasted for a long time.

so i say let thousands of garages bloom.... or explode (please follow safety procedures!). open source it. put it out across every damn website, torrent, etc. that's really the only way to ensure that these technologies don't get shelved and classified.

now you know what i'm shooting for. i've already started in my basement lab. if i can get more in to contribute, the more the merrier. and hopefully i won't have to wake up every morning wondering about how this world is like being in the sticks of the universe.

all da best as always,
da asian brutha

[Apophis]

one simple attempt to 'watch the source-field' is to set up multiple random number generators. which is already being done all over the world. but you can also shrink the experiment down to a relative size. you can place rngs in different rooms of your house, or even different parts of a neighborhood. and watch the resulting influences around you. in this setup the logarithms used to crunch the numbers would be the key to seeing any advanced warnings, such as bad people entering the neighborhood. the numbers your seeing repeat would also have to be associated with live actions taking place around your rngs. this can all be localized and personalized to the ones running the experiment. also the farther you spread out the rngs the larger the source-field readings you'll get, just like a radio telescope.

for instance to see planetary reactions you would need rngs around the world, to see personal reactions you would need rgns around your house. furthermore if someone was so ingenious that they could implement a network of rngs operating in multiple personal home computers all around the world, as let's say a noiseless background program, avowal, they have instant access to a open-world-soruce-field.

i like to refer to ipods when talking along these lines. have you ever noticed that when you have used an ipod extensively, especially with the same songs on it, when you shuffle almost 9 times out of 10 the exact song you wanted to hear comes on? this is an example of how your thoughts directly intervene with the random song generator built into your ipod. the more thought you've put into the ipod the better the rsg works for you.

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the key to reading the source-field is in the microcosm. in the experiments described within tsi all have one common ground, vibration. electronically this common ground is simulated as random numbers. you see just like the random numbers being generated at lightning speed, small movements ie very fast vibrations also act as carrier waves for the source-field.

have you ever seen those old football game-boards that vibrated standing players around the little football field. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oji9sfj9rxq"
well let's just say the source-field is moving the little players around the board. and calculating the occurrence of non random numbers is like watching where the football player is headed. the vibration or number generation acts as a medium.

this is how the mechanical source-field detectors worked they were extremely sensitive direction pointers which were carried on a small vibration. so whatever your base vibration is be it mechanical digital or biorhythmic, it's the message being carried on it that counts.


thanks for thinking!!
-apophis

[Natho]

i think its worth considering also that you are experimenting within a zone of equalised pressure via the mass of the earth. positive and negative pressures bring about a change in substance, perhaps experimenting using both methods may amplify or condense a resulting effect. the fact that each planetary sphere is in its own range of equalised pressure could suggest that range from the sun may induce levels of the source field in proportion to mass attraction from a point of interest.

[Natho]

on a side note daven in regards to your view of how the owo held us back, my suggestion would be not to view it as 'bad' or akin to regression. the catalyst presented itself to set party, they made a choice, and set motions followed which we can say have had a negative impacts on all humans, not just a handfull. we can but stipulate wether the catalyst was natural or forced, but with no true certainty. i cover for no one here, i simply state that what happens, happens for a particular reason. if it has far reaching implications than more than a hadfull will learn from it, as we are learning right now through the actions of others.

aim your energy toward your experiments and desires, not towards the failures of others smaller in nature. keep em goin mate

[daven]

one simple attempt to 'watch the source-field' is to set up multiple random number generators. which is already being done all over the world. but you can also shrink the experiment down to a relative size. you can place rngs in different rooms of your house, or even different parts of a neighborhood. and watch the resulting influences around you. in this setup the logarithms used to crunch the numbers would be the key to seeing any advanced warnings, such as bad people entering the neighborhood. the numbers your seeing repeat would also have to be associated with live actions taking place around your rngs. this can all be localized and personalized to the ones running the experiment. also the farther you spread out the rngs the larger the source-field readings you'll get, just like a radio telescope.

for instance to see planetary reactions you would need rngs around the world, to see personal reactions you would need rgns around your house. furthermore if someone was so ingenious that they could implement a network of rngs operating in multiple personal home computers all around the world, as let's say a noiseless background program, avowal, they have instant access to a open-world-soruce-field.

i like to refer to ipods when talking along these lines. have you ever noticed that when you have used an ipod extensively, especially with the same songs on it, when you shuffle almost 9 times out of 10 the exact song you wanted to hear comes on? this is an example of how your thoughts directly intervene with the random song generator built into your ipod. the more thought you've put into the ipod the better the rsg works for you.

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the key to reading the source-field is in the microcosm. in the experiments described within tsi all have one common ground, vibration. electronically this common ground is simulated as random numbers. you see just like the random numbers being generated at lightning speed, small movements ie very fast vibrations also act as carrier waves for the source-field.

have you ever seen those old football game-boards that vibrated standing players around the little football field. "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oji9sfj9rxq"
well let's just say the source-field is moving the little players around the board. and calculating the occurrence of non random numbers is like watching where the football player is headed. the vibration or number generation acts as a medium.

this is how the mechanical source-field detectors worked they were extremely sensitive direction pointers which were carried on a small vibration. so whatever your base vibration is be it mechanical digital or biorhythmic, it's the message being carried on it that counts.


thanks for thinking!!
-apophis

alright, would ya mind hashing this out with me then?

analogs

electronics source fields
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v ground white noise/time
v input quantum-micro-macro fluxes in sf/time
v output differential between flux and white noise

i think this is a good start. now if we can analogs for resistance, capacitance, and inductance, then we're getting somewhere!
i have a couple of easy chaotic circuit designs that "should" be able to emulate random number generation. if not, i do have some random number generator circuit designs that will do just as well.

all da best
da asian brutha

[Apophis]

essentially you are looking for inconsistency within the white noise. but not just any inconsistency.... you're looking for patterned inconsistency. it's like trying to spot a single wave pattern in a pool full of people.

let's look at another analogy. if you were in a swimming pool with 5 other people and you wanted to track the waves only one of them is making. firstly you would notice the person making the biggest splash is the the easiest to track. this is likely what we will be looking for in our experiments, the person or group with the highest coherence, or field resonance.

if we put floaters on the surface of the water and then measured the waves from all people splashing around, it would look quite chaotic and somewhat randomized. now if we put several floaters on the surface we would get several chaotic random sequences. so if we then took that chaotic data and analyzed it, via computer or comparative visual analysis, we would begin to see that there were curtain peaks of waves that matched in magnitude. with fixed locations of the floaters we can then triangulate the source of the waves when matched up. this becomes exponentially difficult when the people are moving around in the pool along with various sizes of waves being produced by the people splashing around. some people will inevitably produce consistently large waves, these are the people, or things, we will be studding during this experiment.

so lets back up a little and take a look at the equipment needed.
just to make things easy to follow we can say;
water = white noise/random numbers
floater = tracking of inconsistency within the white noise/computer program
people = forces manipulating the source field/thoughts feelings chemistry change

i assume it's easy for you to find something that will act as a white noise. the trick will be your ability to track the patterns in this white noise. i suggested random number generators because this could be an easy thing to write a program for. it may be possible to do the same thing with highly sensitive photocells. as all things are made of light, even thoughts and feelings, if the photocells were acute enough they may be able to detect something like this. i believe the most difficult thing to accomplish will be isolation. no matter the medium used there will most likely always be constant interference. in the experiments discussed within the sfi there were glass encasement's as well as faraday cages used to filter out most interferences. essentially i believe the program reading the data will be just as important as the equipment used.

essentially you wish to teach a computer to find things interesting.

wouldn't it be cool to teach a computer how to deal tarot cards?

talking about how this works has opened an incite for me. that is the reason meditation is so important.
when we meditate we find the stillness internally. when we are still we become as a floater in the pool, able to sense where the major waves are coming from.
just as in a calm pool it is easy to see where the trauma, however slight, is occurring. thus meditation is our ultimate personal tool for source field awareness.


this also lends itself to a childhood dream coming true. as a kid playing with lego's i always wanted a device that could point out the exact part i was looking for. to take it further as a teen maybe a device that could find my keys when i lost them. well if we can program a computer to isolate individual material emanating within the source-field then we could essentially create these types of devices. almost like sonar..... source-field sonar......


basically with all my rambling, all i can say is i'm not an expert on electronics, and i wouldn't know how to write out instructions on how to physically build one. but i do know theory!! like an engineer vs a contractor.

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allow my mind to toss out an irregular experiment.
take several radios and tune them to a white noise frequency.
to add control to the experiment, try the radios tuned to different white noise frequencies, and then the radios to the same white noise frequency.
scatter the radios to different parts of the lab or experimentation area.
now listen for inconsistencies in the white noise.
we are looking for waves or irregularities measurable to the human ear across multiple simultaneous channels.

ghost hunters are known to use similar techniques to allow spirits to speak through the radio.



i hope some of this helps.....

[daven]

essentially you are looking for inconsistency within the white noise. but not just any inconsistency.... you're looking for patterned inconsistency. it's like trying to spot a single wave pattern in a pool full of people.

well, i have this design for a random number generator

http://robseward.com/misc/rng2/

and i already have a crap load of atmel micro controllers/arduino boards and spare parts, so this should be pretty easy to make.

can i add to your analogy? and please critique or add to it, i don't mind. i just want to see if i can get the idea cohesive enough to develop some technology on it.

i like your analogy of the pool with the people in it. i've spent lots of hours just sitting and staring at ripples in ponds, pools, lakes, rivers, oceans, and i've noticed that sometimes, you can fixate on a wave that catches light or a reflection at a certain angle. sometimes that wave could be a unique pattern, and that's usually what catches my attention when i'm staring at it, and other times it's just what it is.

what would be a good analog to apply to a source field we're monitoring, as an extra input to help us identify the inconsistency. i'm wondering if by applying an external input to the white noise, we can reflect/amplify/identify the inconsistency that we're after. because if that's the case, it makes it much easier to process the data in a computer to identify the waveform. well, that's just my educated guess. you're better at the theory than i am. i'm better at implementation with hardware. i'm not an expert in electronics either, i'm a systems guy, biomedical, actually. i do a lot with electronics and the human body.

yes, i can already sense what you're thinking. "dude! stick some circuits on yourself and meditate! then we've got a sensor!"

been there, done that. given myself plenty of electroshocks in the process. it's not that simple. :d

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i just had a thought. you mentioned light and detection of light. obviously, if we added an external input of a light sensor, like a cds to a chaotic circuit or a random number generator, we're introducing non-randomness as a physical external factor so long as we keep the sensor outside.

but what if we combine the random number generator with a cds in an internal black box that's also faraday shielded? this eliminates almost all em waves. the only exceptions that might cause problems would be high energy radiation. and it's not that complicated to do, i just replace a resistor in the inputs with a light sensor (a cds which changes it's resistance value based on the light coming in. quick solder job). we'll probably have to include thermal shielding as well to eliminate variations in temperature. reason why i'm thinking this is when you look at the schematic for the random number generator, it's basically two transistors slugging it out with each other. i'm thinking that any conscious variances in the noise are effecting, most likely the resistors or the transistors. well, if that's the case, what about introducing an element that's highly sensitive? the variance would have to be in conductivity. that's really the main variable. i don't think the capacitor would be much of a factor, because it just stores charges and releases them at the peak. that leaves us with one possible thing we can vary, and that would be conductance, eg. the resistance.

this sounds like fun. i can whip this thing up tonight!

[Burton]

i have no technical background so i can't help in construction, but i was under the impression that the "casimir effect" was an experiment measuring the source field.

[Apophis]

Okay if the "Casimir efect" can be used what would we be mesuring? pressure? light defraction?

An idea came to me. I was thinking about a way to incorporate water and this is one that came to me. If you were to create a stable water vortex you could measure the movement of the vortex as it spun. This may be just as plausible as watching a candle flame or the smoke from an incense? I suppose you could watch a stabilized gyroscope as well.

That sparked another idea... If you had a gyroscope contained within an electromagnetic field, could you keep the gyroscope spinning using the field as well as shield it from outside interference? Then tracking the movements of the gyroscope could prove useful.