A Question

[Apophis]

we as 3d people are aware of our advancement over 2d and 1d beings, ie animals, plants and minerals. and wild animals being 2d are aware of their advancement over 1d life, ie plants, but they also interact with 3d life, ie people.

my question is... are 2d animals aware of the advancements of 3d? or do they see people as a strange animals?

another question along these lines... were there a generation or two of 2d mammals who were able to grasp the simple concepts of 3d awareness leading up to the transition of this planet from 2d to 3d?

there are more questions to follow, but maybe exploring these first questions will naturally generate the rest of them.

-apophis

[scottki]

i think wild animals are on auto pilot and do not think about anything. they see us as predators. pets see us as gods.

[Asa]

another question along these lines... were there a generation or two of 2d mammals who were able to grasp the simple concepts of 3d awareness leading up to the transition of this planet from 2d to 3d?

if you check out the loo material you'll find some references to the 2d to 3d transition by ra. in these references ra talks about the changes that were made in 2d entities to prepare them for use as 3d incarnation vehicles. these references include such things as loss of body hair, changes in the cranium, jaw for speech, etc. these changes occurred through the same process that he gives for 3d to 4d, bisexual reproduction evolution and if i recall correctly he states that those that were the "transition team" were the more "spiritually" advanced 2d entities.

basically, what this tells me is that the influx of energies 75,000 ya created the dna changes that resulted in the new style "bodies". i'll bet that's going to be the same process that occurs this time. also, according to the scientific data, the early homo sapiens population that inhabited the planet 75,000 ya was reduced in numbers down to 10,000 [harvest of those 2d bipeds that needed more time on a predominantly 2d biped planet, anyone?].

familiar sounding process?

asa

[Apophis]

ya that kind of wraps it up doesn't it

[MarkM]

some more unfounded thought-noodling here:

perhaps with many second density beings there is a lack of complex conceptual ability which may be required to comprehend much human activity. an animal looks at a man driving a car or living in a town - perhaps the animal is unable to conceptualize that man has built these things, and merely unquestioningly accepts the existance of all this - these cars and towns and humans merely exist as movement upon a landscape, and without pondering the wherewithal, the animal merely calculates how humans and their accessories may either aid with the animals' survival or represent something to be viewed more as a threat to survival. a human may simply represent movement on the landscape, and as with anything that moves the human is nothing distinct beyond a recognizable pattern of movement; the only calculation being as to relative survival value of the 2d family unit or pack.

generally, according to the law of one, a second density being is unaware of even itself as a distinct entity, until its cycling through its own series of life lessons bring to it a dawning sense of its own existance as a distinct center of self awareness as an individual. according to ra this process may be greatly accelerated by interaction with humans. perhaps at this point, as with a domestic dog or cat or houseplant, the second density being is capable of very rudimentary complex conceptualization and even recognize a human as a distinct entity itself, and even begin to harbour curiosity as to the relationships between humans, themselves and things - maybe even beginning to comprehend something of the distinct purpose and value of various humans and their activities and tool-use, beyond their own immediate self-interest.

with many second density creatures it may be largely unable, i surmise, to gain a 3d conceptual understanding of a revolving shape such as a soup can, as when looking at it from the top it sees a circle shape and as you turn it to the side view it becomes a rectangle shape. perhaps as a 2d being becomes 3d harvestable it has made great breakthroughs with beginning to get some inklings of how other entities as well as itself exist as independant entities and the soup can (as a crude example) is not really changing shape, even as humans who are becoming 4d harvestable are gaining the first rudimentary and vague leanings toward unconditional love of all, perhaps with a developing heart-sense of mutual identity which informs the conscious mind and stimulates exploration of pure spirituality behind material manifestation. mark

[Apophis]

ha ha ha your post showed me an ape man confusedly looking at the teeth of other ape men in his pack trying to figure out why his teeth are not the exactly like there teeth. maybe he grew an extra tooth or something? whatever it was it made him standout to himself, thus creating a personal individualism within his mind.

you make some great pictures in my minds eye!

[Apophis]

if you check out the loo material you'll find some references to the 2d to 3d transition by ra. in these references ra talks about the changes that were made in 2d entities to prepare them for use as 3d incarnation vehicles. these references include such things as loss of body hair, changes in the cranium, jaw for speech, etc. these changes occurred through the same process that he gives for 3d to 4d, bisexual reproduction evolution and if i recall correctly he states that those that were the "transition team" were the more "spiritually" advanced 2d entities.

so an additional questions would be;

did this "transition team" have changes prior to the shift or did they only see those changes afterword?
you say the 2d bodies were changed to hold 3d incarnations? so that was prior right??

[Asa]

may grasp is that the in-streaming light set the stage for the dna changes to occur from one generation to the next. much as is done with plants and animals with "planned" breeding programs or plant "mutation" programs. in such programs breeding or grafting is done to move certain characteristics or qualities into a descendant chain. the dna alterations would occur in a similar manner except that the changes wouldn't be restricted to certain individuals as would be the case in a "planned" or "controlled" system but would occur as a general rule across the entire population. we are already seeing such "changes" occurring in the babies being born within the last four or five years. as a grandparent i can tell you that the children of my children are learning at a faster pace, are more naturally intuitive, and are on an average what would be considered "quicker" or "smarter" than the generation that is producing them. i'm watching my granddaughter at nine months communicating her intent without being able to speak. just a few hours ago she was able to take a bottle that had juice in it previously hold it up toward me and make it known that she would like more juice. then when the nipple on the bottle got pushed down into the bottle she again held it up to me and instantly i got the message with my back turned that she needed me to fix her bottle. these are the kind of evolutionary changes that is occurring at this time and will continue on as the process unfolds.

what will happen in conjunction will the harvesting of those who will repeat 3d and those that need to be prepared and ready to enter incarnation into the bodies that will make up 4d on this planet. in the interim there will be the need for a "transition" team which will have various levels of individuals for different tasks during the change over process. there will be need of teachers, workers, etc. to assist the planet in her transition and to evolve the way society itself is structured.

asa

[Asa]

perhaps with many second density beings there is a lack of complex conceptual ability which may be required to comprehend much human activity.

the conceptual ability of any 2d entity will be consist with the fact the entity is first a 2d entity and secondly with their consciousness evolution within 2d. i have several 2d entities of the species dog. they have surely increased their consciousness through contact with me as a 3d entity. they have the ability to conceptually know when i'm getting dressed to leave. each one has the conceptual ability to know their are a unique entity from the others. they have the conceptual ability to show "reasoning" ability, i.e., there two identical toys and xena, the female, can distinguish one from the other, know when one is missing, and has the ability to communicate that she needs help in retrieving one or both and revealing the location of the desired object.

an animal looks at a man driving a car or living in a town - perhaps the animal is unable to conceptualize that man has built these things, and merely unquestioningly accepts the existance of all this - these cars and towns and humans merely exist as movement upon a landscape, and without pondering the wherewithal, the animal merely calculates how humans and their accessories may either aid with the animals' survival or represent something to be viewed more as a threat to survival. a human may simply represent movement on the landscape, and as with anything that moves the human is nothing distinct beyond a recognizable pattern of movement; the only calculation being as to relative survival value of the 2d family unit or pack.

perhaps that is the case in a generalized sense but the same basic conceptual view could be generalized about 3d entities as well. we know it is not the norm or average that ranks in 3d but the exceptions that lead the way. the same is true of 2d that it is not the norm or average that matters but the exceptions that drive the "harvest" to 3d.

generally, according to the law of one, a second density being is unaware of even itself as a distinct entity, until its cycling through its own series of life lessons bring to it a dawning sense of its own existance as a distinct center of self awareness as an individual. according to ra this process may be greatly accelerated by interaction with humans. perhaps at this point, as with a domestic dog or cat or houseplant, the second density being is capable of very rudimentary complex conceptualization and even recognize a human as a distinct entity itself, and even begin to harbour curiosity as to the relationships between humans, themselves and things - maybe even beginning to comprehend something of the distinct purpose and value of various humans and their activities and tool-use, beyond their own immediate self-interest.

direct contact and interaction with 2d domestic entities will prove the sufficiency of the effect that in-streaming energy is having on 2d entities in general toward greater consciousness. i am blessed to have several horses, a goat, couple of emus, fish, a turtle and several dogs and cats with which i interact. i can tell you from experience that even down to the fish and turtle that is a recognition and communication between these 2d entities and myself and my wife as 3d entities. due awareness i can perceive the difference in development between the goat and emus or horses or dogs. with the cats there is a distinct difference between those that have developed a close interaction between us and them and those that have not.

[con't]

[Asa]

with many second density creatures it may be largely unable, i surmise, to gain a 3d conceptual understanding of a revolving shape such as a soup can, as when looking at it from the top it sees a circle shape and as you turn it to the side view it becomes a rectangle shape. perhaps as a 2d being becomes 3d harvestable it has made great breakthroughs with beginning to get some inklings of how other entities as well as itself exist as independant entities and the soup can (as a crude example) is not really changing shape, even as humans who are becoming 4d harvestable are gaining the first rudimentary and vague leanings toward unconditional love of all, perhaps with a developing heart-sense of mutual identity which informs the conscious mind and stimulates exploration of pure spirituality behind material manifestation. mark

correct perception based upon my experience. 2d entities develop abilities toward conceptual understanding not of objects but distinguishment between objects. such as knowing the difference between a bag of food and not a bag of food. i agree that based on my experience over many years of having "pets" that the 2d entity moving toward harvest makes "breakthroughs" of being able to know how itself and others exist as separate entities as they "bond" with certain other entities and treat them differently than they do other entities they have come to know. i have two male neopolitan mastiffs that definitely have no affinity for each other and can not be safely left together. yet both have no problem with other male dogs that i have nor any of the females just with each other. one of the male mastiffs is bonded with me and the other my wife. the one bonded with me "tolerates" my wife and shows a level of love and caring but not to the degree it does me. the one bonded with her "tolerates" me and shows me a level of love and caring but not to the depth that it does her.

asa