The Harvest?

[Apophis]

ps: i really like the name you've chosen! and by the way, kind of late but, welcome to the forum!

thank you!

the beautiful thing about forums like this is that we can share our knowledge and in a mutual exchange we can all grow from it. personally i find it very useful to try to have very clear ideas about what we mean about certain terms like ego. this means that we can increase each others understanding of the concepts through mutual exchange. - so in closing your concept of ego and your description of "dumping attention from my upper center to my lower center stirred my heart" can be seen as just as valid as any other.

yes this is wonderful! and thank you!

lets see... how can i help visualize to you what i see inside...
so the symbol for infinity is a figure 8 on it's side. let us center this sideways figure on our heart. this crossing of infinity represents the unified point, where all is one and can easily see that there is no separation. if we now imagine that figure 8 as circular, such as a toroid, we can see that where the lines come to cross actually creates a funnel from both ends. are you still following me? okay, now just as in an electric jacobs latter there is spark or life that "jumps the gap". this may produce images in your mind similar to what a red blood cell looks like. in short, the farther away from the center the spark gets, in either direction, the easier it is to see the separation... or dualistic nature of reality, such that if the root and crown are at the turning point, of our imaginary infinity torus, they can be seen as touching the earth and the sky, and also the greatest identification of separation. to complete this picture, we may look at the solar plexus / throat areas as the first inclination of separation where most likely there is still "connection" or a jump of spark. the sacral / third eye as where separation is felt and contemplated. and the root / crown where separation is completed and in turn, integrated back toward the heart.

in my case, the upper portion of this toroid was wide open, whilst the lower portion was closing fast. in order to find polarization within myself a balance had to be maintained. this meant transferring energy, or attention, from the upper half to the lower half. anyone know what i'm talking about?

p.s. thank you all for taking the time to read about others. it is very loving of you.

[Dtris]

i think i understand what you mean apophis.

now i am going to make a small change and say do we want the harvest to be soon? i am not sure i do. the idea is wonderful, but at the same time there are so many things i want to do in this life. how long will the harvest take? bringing in a wheat field is not done in a day usually. while the harvest may begin in the next couple years how long will it take to complete? i don't know.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

hehe, well i thought you said you view things differently then you/us, because you know about kaballah, and view things from that perspective... so i was just pointing out that i am also very interested in the kaballah and that a lot of the things you mentioned are alike the eastern philosophies i have studied!

we are all sharing opinions so that we can build a new world view that includes all of our believes and understandings

and no harm done on the word mix-up, we all know what you meant!

why did that part offend you?

oh and yea i meant service to self. should have proofread but i was getting ready to leave for class so i was rushing a little.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

well i never keep my bday secret, it's on my profile! i am a libra and i take it very seriously!
i am always telling everyone who comes to me for advice upon a problem, to make con/pro charts!

and obviously to stick to the topic of the harvest!
although we can talk about it forever, it's either going to happen or not!
so to me the most interesting thing is how it's going to go down.....
did ra ever mention anything about the process itself?

anybody?

good point apophis!

welcome to paradox. being able to contend both the light and the dark inside without projecting the dark onto others, individuation in the terms of cg jung, a favourite concept i keep coming back to.

and ra ma bet you've got some virgo and libra in your chart talking about "balancing small things"...now i know astrology should be kept in the astrology thread, and preferably kept on the collective level. astrology is truly a discovery of the light and dark of our own psyche reflected in the constellations of the heavens. and since "there's only one of us here" it applies to both the individual collective and mundane.

the changes are reflected everywhere in all kind of synchronicities as in a hologram "as above so below".

[Apophis]

when ra was questioned directly on a time, he replied, "the harvest is now". i took this to mean it was going to happen over a 40 year period or so, 20 or so years before 2012 when the reading was taking place, and 20 or so years after 2012. this would blend naturally into a life-cycle. it's not like we will wake up one morning and all the evil "military industrial complex" will be forgotten and have disappeared. slowly the people bent on pursuing it's unjust manipulation/control hierarchy will either loose interest, be killed, or commit suicide. we simply don't have full grown plants the moment a seed germinates.

the idea of polarizing happens with evolution and growth, over time. such as "one step at a time".

if the average person regained polarized balance tomorrow; all fast food places would be abandon, gas vehicles would be of no use, banks would close, things would change so fast no one would be ready for the new world. think about it, i mean really think about it... this forum would be left behind because we as a people would be able to feel each-other once again, we would be able to perceive each-other once again. there would be no need to "spell it out". this world is far from the "golden times" we all wish to see, yet it is truly on the journey to getting there.

ra also said that few will be harvested in the beginning, and then more would come to join them. those who were already on there way will find the path easily, and those who wish to join them will then easily see how to get there. it's not necessarily like waking up from a dream, yet it is. in the morning you are still sleepy, and it may be hard to get yourself going, yet once you do, it's all part of the day from there.

at least in america we had a dream to look toward, a white picket fence with a family and ease and comfort in the subdivision. well there are plenty of people waking up from that dream!! and now they are groggy and looking for the coffee, (or what have you) is there any longer an "american dream"? i hope not!!

p.s. i love looking at other philosophies and finding the common threads within them. if we are all one idea of life, then we are all pieces of the puzzle, and we all have something to contribute. just remember no one theology is the only one! living life right now is the only life we live. right now is not in a book.

it's fun to get off topic because we may find that it is leading back on topic. point, match, serve.

[Sammy]

very intrigueing progressing guys! love it! reminds me of a quote i toss out once in a while, "a whole is not whole if even one thing is missing". or in this case people hehe

[Sammy]

well i never keep my bday secret, it's on my profile! i am a libra and i take it very seriously!
i am always telling everyone who comes to me for advice upon a problem, to make con/pro charts!

and obviously to stick to the topic of the harvest!
although we can talk about it forever, it's either going to happen or not!
so to me the most interesting thing is how it's going to go down.....
did ra ever mention anything about the process itself?

anybody?

i believe most texts say that no one will know. if you knew though then you would be done with the "end", and that experience has to be lived when the time comes. like we had been talking about with dreams, if you knew, you would be warmed up to it and not able to experience the moment in its entirety. it would seem more dull to you. also i was having many bad universe moments when i was trying to do the same.

possibly the same reason we arent able to describe certain densities, the people are best to experience in person.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

well, planting seeds, watching them grow, and picking the up was/is a usual routine for people of all times. remember in contact the alien made the point of changing appearance to be recognizable by contactees.
that's the same process the wanderers went/go through, but permanently. this was more of an example of how a 6d being will acquire a light body by lowering vibration just a bit so that visible light can be produced. then they can project a hologram over this light to be seen as something relevant to the contactee.

then what is after the harvest process? are we devoured by those that stand at the foot of the world tree?
but to us we come out of an egg, sometimes it's inside our mothers and sometimes it has a hard shell, jelly-like shell for fish and bugs.
so it does throw me off that this process would be associated with planting and harvesting and eventually eating... and not the hatching... but nevertheless, the idea of consciously letting go of the space/time organic form can be juggled between the metaphors of both hatching and harvesting. after the harvest we will be consciously holding our organic body in orbit, we will begin to shed it through the 4th and 5th density and then our organic body will be harvested and we will literally let it go... nothing will eat us, we are going to be shedding our skin... to allow better contact with the light.

does ra say anything about physical death being a part of harvest/ascension? not sure but this was said:

questioner: am i to understand that the harvest is to occur in the year 2011, or will it be spread out?
ra: i am ra. this is an approximation. we have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. this is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest. those who are not in incarnation at this time will be included in the harvest.

the harvest happens to the energetic body? because it seems a physical body is not needed...

or as ra says:

questioner: which bodies do we have immediately after physical death from this yellow-ray body that i now am in?
ra: i am ra. you have all bodies in potentiation.

but then, on this density physical death is not yet accepted with full consciousness; so seeing this potential depends on the will and awareness of the entity!

peace be with you,
ra ma

[MarkM]

"the harvest is now"... perhaps the ra are speaking of the wide open possibilities of the current times, as i would imagine, for example, in the dark ages of europe the rate of return of our selves to ourselves might have been much slower, even though the potential for harvest is ever-present at any time.

at that time and other olden epochs, buried way back in the long stretch between the turning of ages, people may have been much more concerned with essential survival of themselves and their loved ones, entrenched into the thick of repetitively living lives which were more akin to addressing the earlier and more primary meaning of being in third density modes of existance.

then, many early-to-mid level of evolving third density souls may have been here simply to go through their paces, as we all have.

we are led to consider the possibility that in these times, by comparison, earth is much more top-heavily populated by those souls who are 'older' by comparison, and with the increasing rate of return of that which we create, now is a time in which the veil is being able to be raised somewhat... revelation, in the sense that we are being offered inwardly as well as outwardly the opportunity to have the means by which to responsibly make our choice.

one may come to consider that in these times of fruition of third density experience, all of our chickens are coming home to roost en-masse, and increasingly, there is a distillation of ourselves in which the only the most potent and important of our unresolved issues are facing us, mirrored as it were more and more immediately and clearly by the outer world.

as there is nothing outside of us, the potential of harvest may mean nothing more than our own disciplined and single-pointed intent to replace putting off the hard choices for another day with dealing with it once and for all in the now. i'd bet that everyone who reads this knows full well what hard choices they are up against right now, and yet feels that the future is the time that they'd be better able to deal with it. i know that i'm doing that.

the option of harvest may well be an individual, personal choice, and this now may be merely the best opportunity we'll have to make the choice, for a while. while i believe that our connection to help may be waxing large at this time, and our issues are squarely manifested by us with this in mind, let me ask you this... what big things are you not yet dealing with? mark

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well i never keep my bday secret, it's on my profile! i am a libra and i take it very seriously!
i am always telling everyone who comes to me for advice upon a problem, to make con/pro charts!

and obviously to stick to the topic of the harvest!
although we can talk about it forever, it's either going to happen or not!
so to me the most interesting thing is how it's going to go down.....
did ra ever mention anything about the process itself?

anybody?

so ra ma you are a libra, haven't checked your profile just yet and an astrologer like me? got moon conj neptune and south node in libra myself...and talking about harvest suits well the signs of virgo and libra, the signs of fall.

and english not being my first language, what do you mean by "how it's going to go down"

anyway tried to post a link to an interesting article about the symbolism of the egyptian god apophis viewed in a modern psychological perspective of projection. like when we humans project our own mischievings onto a god outside ourselves instead of discovering our own darkness, polluting mother earth etc. but instead a scary view on the asteroid with the same name showed up, my own subconsious trying to scare me?

well fortunately there's a difference btw the harvest of crops and the harvest of humans, we have the opportunity of instantly bettering our karma should we risk being a bad harvest...