The Harvest?

[Apophis]

what is a harvest? why would this word be used so prevalently?

websters defines the word harvest as -
1 - the season for gathering in agricultural crops
2 - the act or process of gathering in a crop
3a - a mature crop (as of grain or fruit) or yield
3b - the quantity of a natural product gathered in a single season <deer harvest> <ice harvest>
4 - an accumulated store or productive result <a harvest of revenue>

as i look upon this reality there can be a few ways to interpret this;

those who wish to escape this place, and only want to leave all this misery behind, can look upon this as:
"take me away, carry me off, i don't want to be a part of this any more! harvest my sole from the fields of earth!"

those who wish to make a difference, and are willing to change, can look upon this as:
"take away all the negative oppressive things that are infringing on my ways and understandings of life. as the branches of the peach trees are draped low with the weight of the fruit, please take this burned off of me!"

when i myself, reread these passages, i can see with is coming from fear, and which is coming from love.

personally i have come to find that this "harvest" is a harvest of the ego. it is a harvest of control.
i ask you who controls the oceans?
who controls the sunrise?
what is the reason for the weeds growing in the garden?

the answers are simple, they are a part of life itself.
the question of who built the playground may not cross a child's mind, that is because the children are simply enjoying the gifts that have been given.

does it matter if there are weeds in your garden?
who is to say that those weeds are not a crop as well?
is the dandelion a weed or an herb?
these questions are about control.
do you control what is in the garden? or is it the soil and the seed that allows the plant to manifest?

in my personal opinion, this planet was once a planet with no recognition of ego, yet it had the capacity to manifest it. thus the soil was tilled and the seeds were sown. and now we are seeing the harvest of that crop, the harvest of ego.

this does not mean that the ego disappears. the crop may be planted once more... the plants may come back from the soil next season... will we as a people know what the fruits are good for?
it is not about controlling the fruit as it grows or stopping the growth from happening, it is about recognizing the value of the growth, be it, a weed as you see, it or a peach tree. this has naturally occurred on our planet, love the place you live, or fear that it will be overgrown.


this is my first post, and i have chosen the name apophis, for a simple reason, we are binding light and dark, we are finding a balance, we are one.
thank you for reading.

[Dtris]

in the law of one i find harvest a very appropriate word. when people are ready due to polarization, whether to self or other self, they are ripe and can then be harvested or taken to the next stage of development.

i think control is part of the issue. however i view it differently than you. in the kaballah the soul has 5 parts. the lowest part is the nephesh or animal soul. the ruach is the body soul. the higher 3 are what continue after death and these are the yechidah, nachamah, and i forget the last one. the ruach is the ego or the part of us that tries to keep us separate from the reality of our divine origins. it is the part that delights in the physical joys. this is the part that fears enlightenment because it knows that it will not be in control anymore. when we go beyond the ego we realize that we are not just our physical bodies and that we are all one mind. this is the parting of the veil for the adept which is the path to tipharet or the sephorot of beauty. this beauty is that of the one infinite creation. tipharet is also aligned with the heart chakra. ra repeatedly says that we are here to make a choice to serve self or otherselves. a service to others entity shuts down the heart center and highly activates the lower centers. this is the same as never parting the veil or of submitting your will to that of the ego. this is the submission of the spirit to the elements represented by the inverted pentagram and the seal of baphomet. so the control is the question of what part of yourself will be in control, will it be the ego or will it be the higher self, the holy guardian angel?

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

control stops when separation stops!

i can't lie, i did get a bit offended by the "however i view it differently than you." i've been preaching about the kaballah for quite some time, and even though i am obviously not as knowledgeable in it as you are, i am trying.

plus it is very similar to various eastern sources (india, tibet, etc) which i have studied for more than one life time.

"ra repeatedly says that we are here to make a choice to serve self or otherselves. a service to others entity shuts down the heart center and highly activates the lower centers."
do you mean service to self?
service to other's opens your heart center...
plus we are here to make a choice and to act upon that choice in the 4th density...
so as one of our members said one time, we are candidates. and are not actually yet polarized physically, this occurs at the harvest i presume!

[MarkM]

in terms of the loo material, harvest seems to refer to the culmination of third density experience on a given third density planet, as well as to 'harvestability' - those having polarized sufficiently during this cycle to be able to experience the higher and denser vibrations of fourth density, before the end of the third density experience as well as at the end of it.

in our case, there is a period of roughly 75000 years of human experiencing within the third density sphere of the earth's space/time cycling. at the end of this cycle, no further opportunities for third density experiencing in space/time is possible.

there is a three way split; some having successfully polarized positively, some having polarized negatively, and others having not decided either way. the ra also refer to being harvestable in a negative sense, as well as being harvestable in a positive sense. those who have polarized successfully in either direction have achieved eligibility to entertain fourth density experiencing; only those who have succeeded in polarizing positively will remain with the earth in its fourth density activation, which will actively manifest positively. those who have succeeded in polarizing negatively will experience negative fourth density on a different planetary sphere which is fourth density negative. those who haven't polarized will re-experience third density on a different third density planet.

our third density earth will pass into potentiality rather than its current activation, and earth in its third density space/time state of potentialization will be devoid of third density 'incarnate' humans; all of whom have been harvested from third density space/time earth.

questioner: what is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles?

ra: one major cycle is approximately 25,000 of your years. there are three cycles of this nature during which those who have progressed may be harvested at the end of three major cycles. that is, approximately between 75 and 76,000 of your years. all are harvested regardless of their progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful part of that dimension and begins to cease being useful for the lower levels of vibration within that density.

63.8 questioner: i would like to continue with the questions about the fact that in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. right now, we have green energies activated. they have been activated for the last 45 years. i am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. what will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as green comes into total activation, and what is the process?

ra: i am ra. it is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. it is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. there are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. we may now address your query.

as the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned. after this period there will come a time when third-density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere.

meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. this fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. it is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. we have discussed this subject with you.

the fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth-density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth-density upon this plane.

you may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion.

[Apophis]

these replies have guided many thoughts to manifestation-

the weight of reason was the motive for the thread, however in comparing it to other forms of teaching you have made sense.

jeia ra you are absolutely right! can you see how dtris is you? all presumed answers from personal knowledge.

mark, you have made a new picture in my mind. i thank you for expanding the terms.

please allow me to enhance the picture of my conceptualization. as i have realized with the aid of visualizing polarization. much of my attention was focused on the upper center of the body, namely the brain and thoughts that occur within. this had been termed the ego. with attention to polarizing it was clear that my lower center of the body, namely the feeling of grace, were starving. this had been termed the soul. dumping attention from my upper center to my lower center stirred my heart. this is what was meant by the harvest of ego, the letting go and falling to the ground.



earlier today an interesting thought came while pondering the name i had chosen. we seek shade in the daylight, just as we seek fire at night. also, there are those who bring and gather light, they seek the dark areas in life so that they may be of use with their fiery light, and there are those who bring and gather darkness, they seek the light areas in life so that they may be of use with there shadowy darkness. it is all one coin, two sides. *ahkam* (polarized)

[Dtris]

control stops when separation stops!

i can't lie, i did get a bit offended by the "however i view it differently than you." i've been preaching about the kaballah for quite some time, and even though i am obviously not as knowledgeable in it as you are, i am trying.

plus it is very similar to various eastern sources (india, tibet, etc) which i have studied for more than one life time.

"ra repeatedly says that we are here to make a choice to serve self or otherselves. a service to others entity shuts down the heart center and highly activates the lower centers."
do you mean service to self?
service to other's opens your heart center...
plus we are here to make a choice and to act upon that choice in the 4th density...
so as one of our members said one time, we are candidates. and are not actually yet polarized physically, this occurs at the harvest i presume!

why did that part offend you?

oh and yea i meant service to self. should have proofread but i was getting ready to leave for class so i was rushing a little.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

beautiful just beautiful! i am starting to think that maybe the 2 sided coin can answer all our woes and questions
what is important is seeing yourself in others and judging/balancing morality in all the small things! give and be given, thank and be thanked... and so on!
the fact of that matter is that the sts people are not at all bad or evil, they are just simply, the other side of the coin

love,
ra ma

ps: i really like the name you've chosen! and by the way, kind of late but, welcome to the forum!

these replies have guided many thoughts to manifestation-

the weight of reason was the motive for the thread, however in comparing it to other forms of teaching you have made sense.

jeia ra you are absolutely right! can you see how dtris is you? all presumed answers from personal knowledge.

mark, you have made a new picture in my mind. i thank you for expanding the terms.

please allow me to enhance the picture of my conceptualization. as i have realized with the aid of visualizing polarization. much of my attention was focused on the upper center of the body, namely the brain and thoughts that occur within. this had been termed the ego. with attention to polarizing it was clear that my lower center of the body, namely the feeling of grace, were starving. this had been termed the soul. dumping attention from my upper center to my lower center stirred my heart. this is what was meant by the harvest of ego, the letting go and falling to the ground.



earlier today an interesting thought came while pondering the name i had chosen. we seek shade in the daylight, just as we seek fire at night. also, there are those who bring and gather light, they seek the dark areas in life so that they may be of use with their fiery light, and there are those who bring and gather darkness, they seek the light areas in life so that they may be of use with there shadowy darkness. it is all one coin, two sides. *ahkam* (polarized)

[Dtris]

apophis,

we can only use our own knowledge to base our ideas upon. the beautiful thing about forums like this is that we can share our knowledge and in a mutual exchange we can all grow from it. personally i find it very useful to try to have very clear ideas about what we mean about certain terms like ego. this means that we can increase each others understanding of the concepts through mutual exchange.

now to add another layer of complexity. the chinese use the same character for heart that they do for mind. they believe that you can think with the heart just as you can with the mind. the thoughts of the heart are the emotions or the intuition or the feeling. in the western cultures we have almost deified the mind and subjugated the heart. we distrust our intuition and believe that the rational mind is the only way to acquire so called "true knowledge". this could be viewed as an excess of yang in chinese terms the mind being active and creative while the heart being receptive and generative. as a personal example i have always believed that the throwing out of the aether idea was a profound mistake. this was from the first time i learned about it in about 7th or 8th grade. it intuitively made ense to me. when i first started seeing reports on dark matter and dark energy i immediately realized they were just a new way of explaining the aether in different terms. many of the best books i found for my own personal development came from intuition as well. an example of this is the day i found the source field investigations. i went to the bookstore simply because i felt like i needed to go. i didn't have any idea why and when i saw the book i knew that was why i was there. so in closing your concept of ego and your description of "dumping attention from my upper center to my lower center stirred my heart" can be seen as just as valid as any other.

[transiten]

beautiful just beautiful! i am starting to think that maybe the 2 sided coin can answer all our woes and questions
what is important is seeing yourself in others and judging/balancing morality in all the small things! give and be given, thank and be thanked... and so on!
the fact of that matter is that the sts people are not at all bad or evil, they are just simply, the other side of the coin

love,
ra ma

ps: i really like the name you've chosen! and by the way, kind of late but, welcome to the forum!

good point apophis!

welcome to paradox. being able to contend both the light and the dark inside without projecting the dark onto others, individuation in the terms of cg jung, a favourite concept i keep coming back to.

and ra ma bet you've got some virgo and libra in your chart talking about "balancing small things"...now i know astrology should be kept in the astrology thread, and preferably kept on the collective level. astrology is truly a discovery of the light and dark of our own psyche reflected in the constellations of the heavens. and since "there's only one of us here" it applies to both the individual collective and mundane.

the changes are reflected everywhere in all kind of synchronicities as in a hologram "as above so below".

[Sammy]

what is a harvest? why would this word be used so prevalently?

websters defines the word harvest as -
1 - the season for gathering in agricultural crops
2 - the act or process of gathering in a crop
3a - a mature crop (as of grain or fruit) or yield
3b - the quantity of a natural product gathered in a single season <deer harvest> <ice harvest>
4 - an accumulated store or productive result <a harvest of revenue>

as i look upon this reality there can be a few ways to interpret this;

those who wish to escape this place, and only want to leave all this misery behind, can look upon this as:
"take me away, carry me off, i don't want to be a part of this any more! harvest my sole from the fields of earth!"

those who wish to make a difference, and are willing to change, can look upon this as:
"take away all the negative oppressive things that are infringing on my ways and understandings of life. as the branches of the peach trees are draped low with the weight of the fruit, please take this burned off of me!"

when i myself, reread these passages, i can see with is coming from fear, and which is coming from love.

personally i have come to find that this "harvest" is a harvest of the ego. it is a harvest of control.
i ask you who controls the oceans?
who controls the sunrise?
what is the reason for the weeds growing in the garden?

the answers are simple, they are a part of life itself.
the question of who built the playground may not cross a child's mind, that is because the children are simply enjoying the gifts that have been given.

does it matter if there are weeds in your garden?
who is to say that those weeds are not a crop as well?
is the dandelion a weed or an herb?
these questions are about control.
do you control what is in the garden? or is it the soil and the seed that allows the plant to manifest?

in my personal opinion, this planet was once a planet with no recognition of ego, yet it had the capacity to manifest it. thus the soil was tilled and the seeds were sown. and now we are seeing the harvest of that crop, the harvest of ego.

this does not mean that the ego disappears. the crop may be planted once more... the plants may come back from the soil next season... will we as a people know what the fruits are good for?
it is not about controlling the fruit as it grows or stopping the growth from happening, it is about recognizing the value of the growth, be it, a weed as you see, it or a peach tree. this has naturally occurred on our planet, love the place you live, or fear that it will be overgrown.


this is my first post, and i have chosen the name apophis, for a simple reason, we are binding light and dark, we are finding a balance, we are one.
thank you for reading.

i've had much deliberation with this concept. i think it goes from point of view. depending on what you want is what you will see. it would be difficult i think for them to go back from that as well, if they have "harvested" the negative from thier conscious realm.

the simple act of wanting a harvest would make you be harvested from others as well, and infact is probably what the harvested people see from thier point of view. things get confusing because there is no steady physical mass to stabalize the reality, and it would change by the thought to each point of view.

the consequence also is less "space" to travel, since you willed it to be harvested. whether its good from bad or bad from good it has to be a unity to last forever. you would be basicly removing half of the conscious source field (or whole thought) from your enviroment. im not meaning evil has to live, but it does need to be known or remembered to be avoided. acts are always the same, but the people who do them can grow out of those.

dtris,

i like this point of view you offered, the harvest is your own personal growth. or rather occasionaly processing your learned lessons for a higher ground consciously, and your acts will mirror those thoughts toward the common goal. if its a personal goal where you benefit most. your harvest will yield a negative, because the result will be negative (i.e. no sunlight). when this happens you actualy stunt your capacity, it holds you back because your goal is narrow. it not that the field is holding you back, but you just cant see beyond that realm or view due to your goals intent.