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    i'd like to share something i found in the encyclopedia brittanica online. this is from the entry on "eschatology":

    eschatology, theological doctrine of the “last things,” or the end of the world.

    because the origins of biblical eschatology are found in unique “historical” events (such as the exodus of the hebrews from egypt in the 13th century bc), difficulties occur when eschatological concepts are imposed on the framework of other religions. in religions outside the biblical tradition, there is no “end” but rather a cyclic pattern of cosmic destruction and rebirth. therefore, a distinction must be made between mythical and historical eschatologies.

    mythical eschatology, then, can be defined in terms of the “myth of the eternal return,” which posits a cyclic view of history. in religious festivals, the lost time of history is regenerated and eternity is represented. through the ritualistic repetition of the creation of the cosmos, the impression of transience is proved wrong. everything is shown to remain in place, hope is inherent in memory, and future salvation is depicted as a return to the primordial origin or to an original golden age. in mythical eschatology, the meaning of history is found in a celebration of the eternity of the cosmos and the repeatability of the origin of the world.

    historical eschatology, on the contrary, is grounded not in a mythical primal happening but in events in time that provide the structure of history and are essential to its progress. biblical and biblically influenced eschatologies are historical and directed toward the historical future. in this view, experiences are never universal. rituals such as passover and seder are not attempts to repeat events and experiences but are ways to remember them through the telling of history and tradition. rituals are events in which a novum (a new or extraordinary event or action) is symbolically experienced. hope is thus grounded in historical remembrance but transcends what is remembered historically.
    this entry cleared up much confusion in my mind around 2012. firstly, i found it quite interesting that, fifteen years into discussion on the law of one and 2012, i hadn't yet clearly defined a key concept that is fundamental to any discussion on the matter.

    discussions on 2012 often revolve around a debate between an apocalyptic and millenialistic eschatological view. but both of these views fall under the category of historical eschatology, where the 2012 prophecy is based on a mythical eschatology.

    for example, many people view the 2012 prophecy through the apocalyptic lens of increasingly destructive earth changes leading up to a sort of mad max "end of the world" scenario where only a few people survive to rebuild society after the destruction.

    interestingly, nearly every media reference to 2012 couches the event in terms of this apocalyptic worldview. of course, this makes it easy for critics to come in and dismiss the idea as silly, pointing to all the failed apocalyptic predictions of the past.

    for as long as civilization has been around, there have been groups of people waiting for "the end" to come. luckily for the rest of the planet, even their fervent, unwavering belief in the apocalypse failed to make it manifest. despite the fact that dw has made it abundantly clear that the law of one does not support an apocalyptic worldview, some insist on interpreting it through the judaeo-christian-muslim lens of historical eschatology.

    there is also an ongoing debate promoted by the "gradualist" theory of 2012 which argues that the transition to 4d is not a discrete event, but a gradual one that takes place over many generations. again, despite the fact that dw has argued quite thoroughly that there is little evidence in the law of one to support a gradualist view, some insist on interpreting it through the judaeo-christian-muslim lens of the "thousand years of peace after the coming of the messiah"

    based on the definition above, it is crystal clear that dw interprets the law of one through the lens of a mythical eschatology that posits "the end" to be a renewal and rebirth into the next golden age. and i feel compelled to point out that the vast majority of the evidence in the law of one supports this view.

    even mainstream mayan archaeologists concur that the mayan calendar is not based on a linear view of time, with events working themselves up to some sort of grand climax, but rather on a cyclical view of time where alpha and omega are one and the same. mainstream archaeology also uses this to dismiss any real significance to 2012. seems like even they have a hard time separating themselves from the historical eschatology of judaeo-christian-muslim worldview... and they are the experts!

    i just thought this might help to clear up some confusion and hopefully bypass some future debates and recapitulations of loo cosmology.
    We are unsure as to our success in realigning your modes of mentation.

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    hello tenet,

    thank you for posting this thread. guess this is as good of a place as any to tell you a little vision i had, if moderators allow.
    it is very relevant and you will see (and i hope this information surprises you if you don't know it already) that my connections will help those interested in this topic!
    it started off a couple of months ago when i began catching my digital clock at time with 2 or 5 in it. the time i catch the most often is 12:51. on a digital clock the numbers are squares, so you know that the 2 and the 5 are mirrored images of each other. at first i did not understand that this was a sign, until one night i was lying in bed looking at our electric fireplace, when i saw my digital clock in the reflection in the glass. the time was 12:21, but in the mirror it was 15:51. because i receive most of the signs in numbers i am not new to random math. i added 1+5, which is 6. 12:21 looked very familiar and i’ve realized all i need to do is have 12:21:12 which is 51:15:51 in the mirror. which is 5+1, 1+5 and 5+1, which is 6,6,6.
    thinking about this all night i had to give the number of the beast another try and do some research on the internet. it is an extraordinary number.

    first this:

    in kabbalistic judaism the number 666 represents the creation and perfection of the world. the world was created in 6 days, and there are 6 cardinal directions (north, south, east, west, up, down). 6 is also the numerical value of one of the letters of god's name. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/666_(number))
    then this:
    the number 666 has significance as the numerical value of the hebrew verse: "ata yigdal na koach ado-nai -- now, i pray, let the power of my lord be great." (numbers 14:17). this was moshe's prayer invoking divine mercy on behalf of the jewish people.
    "mosad hayesod" cites the vilna gaon's commentary on the zohar that "the number 666 contains hidden within it exalted and lofty messianic potential." no other explanation is offered there.
    we do know that the number six represents the physical world. the torah describes the creation of the universe as a six part, six day, process. our ancient sources describe the universe as emanating in six directions -- north, south, east, west, up, down -- from a central point. all physical space and all physical objects have these six dimensions.
    666 is six repeated three times. repeating a concept three times represents the affirmation and strength of that concept. the number 666 could thus represent the strength and perfection of the physical world, which judaism teaches will occur in the messianic era, when the physical world will reach its ultimate purpose, to be a vehicle through which the created experience the creator.
    (http://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/277/q1/)
    and after you process all that information take a look at this.
    i decided to find more affirmation, which is not solely based on what i saw in a reflection.
    binary code of 666 is 1010011010
    if we replace the zeros with 2s then the first three double digit numbers are 12 12 21
    judaism is then the only main stream religion that believes in heaven on earth, like what we are expecting!

    and then there is obviously this:
    the christ soul will reincarnate again to be the messiah foretold by the hebrew prophets in order to usher in the so-called "throne of david" (i.e., the kingdom of heaven) on earth. (http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html)

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    [moderator: a good opportunity to remind members that we have a two link per post rule, this time i'll let it slide. ]
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    hi tenet nosce.

    one thing is sure: we are experiencing the "inconveniences" of ra ! ! b-)

    the earth seems to be "acting" more than before.
    the humans are definitely "acting" more than before ! (egypt and others) !
    and? will the sun be "acting" more than before in his 2012 peek ??

    we live in very interesting times ! ! b-)
    a big change in human behavior seems to be happening/coming. . .
    . . .i hope. . .! ! !

    but as your op says : no apocalypse ! !

    blue skies.
    Enjoy the marvelous http://www.whatthebleep.com/guestbook/?p=100
    which got me to "The Ra material" and this forum.

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    here is a concept i have developed and expressed in a thread on another forum. i am reposting here as i think it bears relevance to the topic. (some tags added for clarity)

    Quote Originally Posted by tenet nosce on bring4th.org
    here it is right here in session one. i went back to look and it was staring me right in the face.

    Quote Originally Posted by session one
    ra: does this form a sufficient amount of information, or could we speak further?

    is there another query?

    questioner: (the question was lost because the questioner was sitting too far from the tape recorder to be recorded.)

    the question was lost! ra was just explaining about their previous contact. they asked if they could speak further. the questioner, being so anxious to "get on" with the agenda ends up causing one of the first questions asked to ra to be lost to technical difficulties!

    Quote Originally Posted by session one
    ra:may we enunciate this law in more detail?
    questioner: no.
    ra: i am ra. is there another query at this time?
    questioner: can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our physical reality? [noise of cassette tape being flipped.]
    read that section. now go back and read the entire session. almost everything i have been jammering on about is right here in session one.

    right here, ra asks if they may enunciate the law in more detail. the questioner says no exclamation idea dodgy and then proceeds with their "earth changes" agenda. right from the get go, there are certain distortions present in the questioner's mind which redirect the natural thrust of the contact away from the law of one.

    [tape gets flipped]
    Quote Originally Posted by tenet nosce
    Quote Originally Posted by 3dmonkey
    no, we get it ra. ....moving on to more important things....

    'retrospective oops'

    bingo! through no fault of their own, of course.

    i try to look at it from ra's perspective. ra decides to make an appearance, and almost immediately encounters the very distortion that they themselves unintentionally created over three thousand years prior.

    ra specifically says somewhere that they chose the contact group because of their extreme distortion toward service to others. i will see if i can find it. the group really and truly wanted to be of service to their fellow humanity.

    what they hadn't done was clear out some of the inertia, or tendency toward certain thought patters, within their own minds. i wonder if the "earth changes" line of questioning even originated from within the group... or did it come from somebody outside? undecided

    so the end result is that ra gets to communicate the law of one (however briefly) and the group provides a certain countervibration that helps to anchor it into 3d, but also allows for easy distortion. thus ra minimized the potential to abrogate free will.
    We are unsure as to our success in realigning your modes of mentation.

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    i've already decided that in my reality no apocalypse is happening, or at least if it does, i'm not going to participate, at least not in my immediate environment. personally, i think we're outta here before the really bad stuff happens, into a different version of this reality. if not, fine, next incarnation please, that's ok. however, i just don't think the universal powers that be would allow the extinction of the better half of humanity who are evolving, because it would be a waste of a huge part of the human experiment. if only the elite and the ones they select are allowed to survive, then the human experiment would have lost some of it's best specimens! those who are awakening. usually the ones who are awakening don't tend to have a lot of money, connections with elite, and all that sort of thing. soooo... just stands to reason that the experiment will just get split up into two different experiments.

    there are human civilizations all over the universe, in all kinds of situations, predicaments, and different levels of evolution. godself is interested in every version of human reality, even the reality of the nasty timeline, and also the reality of the nice timeline with a beautiful future. both are going to manifest.

    all we're doing now is each of us choosing which version we want to be in!

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    Default 2 OVERARCHING VERSIONS OF EXISTENCE - MANY SUB-VERSIONS....as I see it....

    [hopefully this won't get posted twice....my log-in time expired when i posted the following ...if so, oh well, here it is agian...-k-]

    hi christine, and all!… kolokea replying. i read your thoughts and wanted to tell you that i am aligned with your views – which is your chosen destiny per what is transpiring collectively. knowing that there are others who share this same view and choice of destiny confirms that there many groups who are creating many different versions of outcomes as we all get “rebooted” into a whole new existence. i align with what david wilcock said, re, that what we experience when we arrive at the ‘gate’ into another reality depends upon the balance of our thoughts and beliefs – i.e., our overall dominant orientation in consciousness and innerchi [inner-chi=energy]. my research shows that there are so many versions of what is believed will happen that each group of souls holding similar versions gravitate together to create particular versions for themselves to exist in. this is in-keeping free will, with the law of attraction wherein we get the equivalent of the balance of our consciousness and innerchi.

    yet, as you said, “both [versions] are going to manifest”, i agree, and while this is true, i feel that there are 2 main overarching versions for us to migrate toward – each version will have numerous sub-versions created therein.

    [1] one overarching version occurs within the framework of yet another “dreamtime matrix of illusions” which functions upon another holographically-fractalized set of repeating patterns of dualized consciousness and innerchi – i.e., similar to the one we have been in here. there are many groups of unawakened souls holding similar versions of “illusory-reality”. surprisingly there are also some “semi-awakened ones” who prefer to continue their existence within a dreamtime matrix, and my husband is one of them. for nearly 30 years i have been sharing with him my path of awakening, hoping he would join me, but he remains in the comfort zone of “the sure thing” within the “tangible world reality” – i.e., life as he’s known it and is comfortable and content with in spite of the many hardships, difficulties and ongoing challenges. he simply is not ready to make the leap to being fully awakened. these soul-groups are creating many “collective versions” to continue their existence within this overarching version. and although it may be in another version of a dreamtime matrix, it is all perfectly ok because that is what they are comfortable with, and that is as it should be, which makes me happy for them.

    [2] the other overarching version is being created by those of us who are ready to ascend with the universe’s ascension to a higher state of existence. this version exists outside of and beyond the dreamtime matrix version. it is “real-reality” occupied by awakened souls who are ready to exist within the source’s higher nature of the singularity – a way of existence based upon a forward progressive expansion of the source through ongoing creation wherein consciousness and innerchi is no longer dualized, no longer creating reversals, stagnations, cancellations, or splitting into opposites. we have already experienced that manner of creation right here, and we are ready to leave it behind in exchange for a kind of existence that moves ever freely forward – no more glitches or hiccups or destructions.

    within this “new realm of reality” those of us who are flowing “there” [which is actually superimposed right here right now] with the incoming ascending frequencies, have our own unique versions of what life there will be like. i have been researching this matter for some years and have discovered that we are each, under higher levels of agreement, holding our own unique version as a means of super-diversifying thus contributing to the expansion of the source. we have broken out of hive consciousness here in order to in-vision and hold our own unique versions of life there. since we are all doing this within the framework of the singularity there is no conflict of one version with another, there is only uniqueness between each one.

    [# see next posting to continue…mahalo]

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    Default 2 OVERARCHING VERSIONS OF EXISTENCE - MANY SUB-VERSIONS....as I see it....

    [#continued from current posting above….]

    for instance, my version of life there is unique from yours and everyone else’s, and that is so wonderful because it is like we each get to visit each others “countries”, allegorically speaking, and explore what we each have created that is different from what self created, and it is all done non-competitively since it is all done via innate cooperation with the source’s nature of the singularity. thus creating and exploring that which has been created goes on into infinity.

    for several years now i have been creating my version of life there, so i am familiar with it, but in no way done creating it [it’s a neverending creation]. i have journaled about it in detail after “being there” in consciousness and innerchi to ‘experience’ what i have created, and while there i have learned a few new things about the “nature of reality” in the singularity way of life. i have had to learn to think and perceive differently than i do here in the dreamtime matrix where different fundamental laws of consciousness and innerchi apply.

    if anyone wants something positive to focus on while we are in the interim phase, between now and the end of 2012 [or before if we ascend sooner at the personal level], then deliberately creating your own version of life in the singularity realm of existence is definitely a very uplifting and fun way to do that. go there in your own beingness, focus on what you want life to be like there for you [free of work/jobs, money, governments, rules, necessities, etc.; warning – do not interact there with anyone, not even pets, who has not given you conscious permission to do so!], then return and write about it, or paint/draw it, or scrapbook it, or put it into poetry, or collect trinkets into a treasure chest as symbols of it, etc. … just bring it more into a tangible expression for yourself, not so much because this is a necessary part of manifesting it, but more because it is a fun way to help keep you focused on something positive, uplifting – and what better way to do that than to consciously deliberately create your own version of life there!….. enjoy! …..

    aloha! -kolokea- ….. btw christine; i have often considered relocating to ecuador [love the tropics after living 22 years in hawaii], but now that we are getting everso closer to “ascension jump time” it hardly seems worth making such a major change externally. by the time i get there i will soon ascend if not before then! lol…. -k-

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