Service to Self/Others

[Tenet Nosce]

they are two very different things, as you can serve others without serving yourself and vice versa.

according to the law of one, no, you can't.

[MarkM]

lol! any time attempts are made to hold a discussion which comes from the standpoint of unity consciousness, problems seem to invariably arise in terms of reference and viewpoint. the human mind, as i mentioned previously, seems to operate from the native 3d basis of duality/multiplicity and relativity.

for some, the law of one is more than a philosophy, it is a way of life.

moreover, the material as versioned by the ra represents an attempt to describe in terms understandable to the relativistic human mind that which is essentially nigh impossible to comprehend with the intellect alone, uninformed by a deep and inner knowing.

actually, the loo would have it that the very many who base their philosophies on the separateness of individuals (or any other philosophy) have made no mistake whatsoever!

so in this i would stand with oriax' viewpoints and realize that his or her ideas are perfect just the way they are, and will aid in oriax' own journey.

the loo seems most valuable for they who have experienced some measure of having intuited unity consciousness over the long term and of having developed an inner heart-centered knowing beyond the limited reference of the analytical mind. this is the result of many lifetimes served in 3d, and this is why the loo is not pushed.

in my own humble experience, many years of living and perhaps many lifetimes of living served to have me instantly recognize the ra material loo as that which i had long been attempting to live, and for me it was like a homecoming!

(according to ra, the ra material is not the loo, but merely a distorted and imperfect attempt to portray for humans that which is eternal and unchanging beyond all experience)

i personally feel that the ra are attempting to describe a vision of a universal structure and ordering of the evolution of consciousness for those who wish to try on some of these ideas, and these are not offered as dogmatic truths which anyone must 'get', but offered as gifts for those who so fancy, nothing more.

self literally equalling other self and the concurrent impossibility of service to anything other than the one intelligent infinity is something which comes from the standpoint of unity consciousness - but as most humans have not really worked with and integrated this lifestyle, it is perfectly okay to perceive service to self as opposed to service to others.

the 51% and 95% thing may be just a convenient modality, like a parable, intended to seed unity consciousness. oriax is right in that we are working from a dualistic perspective, unavoidably. unconditional love, though, can move one to selflessly serve others - speaking from the dualist perspective - just ask any parent who sacrifices for the well being of her children! uh, maybe we'd better see this if we were parents...

according to the ra, 3d represents an evolutionary journey over many lifetimes of study. as such, we have folks in this world who are at all different stages along the journey.

one may consider that there is made available study material for every stage along the process, hmm?


the material is there in response to a spiritual calling and pains were taken by those of ra to point out that this material be made passively available as a reference for those who are drawn to it by whatever avenue serendipity makes available and through the free will choice of those who choose to try it on. it is offered as a tray of pretzels on the coffee table - available.

those who encounter the material and ask questions perhaps may be offered viewpoints, and they who offer viewpoints may do well to consider that no two people will interpret the material the same way. some folks very rightly choose to reject some or all of the material if it doesn't resonate or coincide with their path.

oriax, i take it that you have had some curiosity about the material or else you wouldn't be here. you seem to not resonate with at least some of the material, that's fine! i wouldn't try to convince you of anything here, or tell you that you're wrong about your thoughts... yet you're here, amongst some other members who enjoy discussing the loo so what would you like to discuss in a positive sense - what does resonate with you? mark

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

hey mark,
well i am a parent, and i know what you are talking about when it comes to unconditional love. this is probably why it is easier for me to understand i am one in the same with people that are not related to me rather than those who are. i sit here and think this child is me and he is here so that i learn to love myself through this child. because we are one thing, serving others and oneself is the same thing. and it is by serving others.. or the parts of the self that are out of our individual 3d capsules, that we learn to really love ourselves. the only way there, is if we accept one another and accept each others' opinions. because the more we split in our philosophies the further we are dividing and trying to get everyone into one philosophy doesn't work either.

so in this i would stand with oriax' viewpoints and realize that his or her ideas are perfect just the way they are, and will aid in oriax' own journey.

so i am happy to hear you say this =] it is all about understanding that we are all here for a purpose. we are here to help one another to frame a system in which we realize that we are one. that is why it is hard to understand ra and jesus. when jesus was always referring to himself as his own father, the father is him and within him. he just meant that whatever force is guiding him (which was also ra) is telling him of the concept of the loo.

no really, i gotta say mark... i am starting to understand why people are so intrigued by david. if i did not know all of this already, my roof would probably flip if i'd hear it for the first time out of his mouth. he's just like he always was. i am glad to see he didn't change at all... i am sure he already made the final connection and is waiting for you guys to make it as well.

sorry, back to the topic. people are happy with whatever makes them happy. we are happy here talking to one another. but it is exactly by talking to one another and sharing opinions, we serve one another! we are already in the process of creating the next density space all we need to do is collectively open the door and walk through. so encourage discussion, speak from your soul and don't ever try to make yourself sound different from what you really are!

love

[Tenet Nosce]

actually, the loo would have it that the very many who base their philosophies on the separateness of individuals (or any other philosophy) have made no mistake whatsoever!

well this is definitely true. i hope my posts didn't imply anything different. there is nothing wrong with viewing the world through the lens of separate individuals. it appears that way for a reason! the illusion of separateness is the default mode of human consciousness. (at least for now.) i certainly don't know anybody who experiences unity consciousness, least of all me.

what i am attempting to offer here is an invitation to make a clear distinction between the law of one, and the ra material. i'm with oriax on the 51/95%. i tend to start to tune out during the discourse on chakras, and i have a really hard time getting through the part on tarot. in my opinion, there are some good nuggets in there but i can definitely recommend better sources on chakras or the tarot.

in my experience, i have found it to be immeasurably useful to set all of that aside all of that chatter and contemplate the core idea that every consciousness is one consciousness. despite all appearances. despite all the evidence to the contrary. i mean, this is a pretty incredible idea. how could it be true? what if it is true?

when i opened myself up to that idea i started to have a new kind of experience that actually validated its truth. i took it on as a hypothesis and said, "ok universe, if everything is connected then i want to see it for myself. show me." and it did. i'm not talking necessarily about mystical moments, but often what would otherwise be an every day common moment, where suddenly a different reality peeks through for a bit. for me, it doesn't usually last long, but it is enough for me to be able to have moved beyond doubt.

in terms of the material, i would consider myself to be "polarized to sto" but i am by no means a saint. i wake up grouchy. i often have a bad attitude. most of the time, the way i treat others how i want to be treated is to leave them alone! what i'm trying to say is, forget about the 51% mumbo jumbo. who cares? do you treat others with a certain basic level of respect? are there people you care about? great, you qualify! now for the interesting stuff...

so by all means, don't take my word for it. or anybody else's for that matter. you can tell ra to take their morality stuff and shove it- they won't mind. if you are open to the universe showing you, it will do so. and it will be in whatever way is most perfect for you.

[Oriax]

i like the scientific aspects and think there is some veracity to what is being said, but i like to break things down with logic (to the best of my ability) and then throw the sometimes controversial conclusions out there to see the reactions. i'm something of a devil's advocate, but only because i think the truth has been villified by certain groups and mindsets. i guess i could be described as iconoclastic to an extreme degree, but i do what i do out of love and as such i am probably something of a "controlled opposition" within the context of the concious universe.

according to the law of one, no, you can't.

yes, you can, otherwise the distinction wouldn't have been drawn in the first place.

[Dorothy Kulik]

it is my understanding that we only need to think in terms of service to others at least 51% of the time to have the right stuff for ascension to a totally positive polarity. it is my understanding that we need to think in terms of service to self at least 95% of the time to have the right stuff for ascension to a totally negative polarity. i don't know very many people who are so totally selfish and self centered that they spend at least 95% of their time totally focused on manipulating the world around them to serve themselves only. i recall ra referred to rasputin as an example of someone who fits the 95% negative polarity archetype. i would think key members of the illuminati and the bilderbergers might qualify for ascension to a totally negative polarity too. that's my understanding. i hope sharing that has improved your understanding. if i am incorrect in my understanding, then someone please enlighten me.

[DFS]

30.1
questioner:
i am going to make a statement and then let you correct it if i have made any errors. this is the statement: creation is a single entity or unity. if only a single entity exists, then the only concept of service is the concept of service to self. if this single entity subdivides, then the concept of service of one of its parts to one of its other parts is born. from this springs the equality of service to self or to others. it would seem that as the logos subdivided, parts would select each orientation. as individualized entities emerge in space/time then i would assume that they have polarity. is this statement correct?
ra:
i am ra. this statement is quite perceptive and correct until the final phrase in which we note that the polarities begin to be explored only at the point when a third density entity becomes aware of the possibility of choice between the concept or distortion of service to self or service to others. this marks the end of what you may call the unself-conscious or innocent phase of conscious awareness.
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the questioner, don, nicely sums up some of the points already noted in this thread. i would agree that focusing on the percentages as some sort of goal may be misleading. yet, ra's clarification above clearly indicates just how basic the distinction between sts and sto actually is.

perhaps the difficulty derives from the term "service", which connotes actions and reactions when what are really at issue are the beliefs, attitudes and biases underlying and motivating those actions and reactions. it is one's beliefs, attitudes and biases that underpin and frame one's focus and intentions, which in turn, guide one's choices, including the most basic and unconscious of one's responses, actions and reactions.

we are like oysters creating a pearl layer by layer in that we add to and reinforce or neutralize our beliefs, attitudes and biases with every choice, response, action and reaction. and as ra notes, once we become conscious that we are co-creators fully responsible for our choices, we must eventually select a focus for the creation of our personal oyster. to stretch the metaphor, we must find a focus that will create either a black pearl or a white one.

here's how ra states this process in 51.10:
"the indigo body may be seen to be an analog for intelligent energy. it is, in microcosm, the logos. the intelligent energy of the mind/body/spirit complex totality draws its existence from intelligent infinity or the creator. this creator is to be understood, both in macrocosm and microcosm, to have, as we have said, two natures: the unpotentiated infinity which is intelligent; this is all that there is.

free will has potentiated, both the creator of us all and our selves as co-creators with intelligent infinity which has will. this will may be drawn upon by the indigo or form-making body and its wisdom used to then choose the appropriate locus and type of experience which this co-creator or sub-sub-logos you call so carelessly a person will take."

each of us must, as co-creators, choose a focus for our co-creating and there are two basic paths or patterns. we can focus on separation, individuation and control, on the sts path, or we may focus on unification, forgiveness and acceptance, on the sto path.

if you think this division arbitrary or a construct of ra's philosophy, consider how the two polarities or patterns are expressed in our collective consciousness. consider icons such as hitler or gandhi, and even more telling, consider our myths and popular fictions. the villains always put their interests and goals first and treat others as objects to be used or destroyed without compunction. on the other hand, heroines and heroes are willing to risk their own lives for the sake of others and/or for the greater good and to combat injustice.

in fact, conflict between those focused on sts and those dedicated to sto is at the heart of our collective mythos, and since we collectively created this mythos, the clear divergence of the two patterns can hardly be coincidental. the need to evaluate and choose between competing dualities is an inescapable function of our 3d consciousness.

we must choose. to be alive as a mind/body/spirit complex requires billions of choices every moment, most of which are made by the subconscious. yet, it is the choices that mold our beliefs, attitudes and biases, the choices that layer our personal pearl that truly matter to our true self or soul self, to our essential self, the self progressing toward reunification with the one creator.

this is my personal take and should be considered with appropriate skepticism. <smile> yet, i do find the sts, sto dichotomy a useful tool for viewing many of the biases, attitudes, responses, actions and reactions of the creator expressing as self in this 3d illusion.

dfs

[Tenet Nosce]

i like the scientific aspects and think there is some veracity to what is being said, but i like to break things down with logic (to the best of my ability) and then throw the sometimes controversial conclusions out there to see the reactions. i'm something of a devil's advocate, but only because i think the truth has been villified by certain groups and mindsets. i guess i could be described as iconoclastic to an extreme degree, but i do what i do out of love and as such i am probably something of a "controlled opposition" within the context of the concious universe.

i am afraid that your iconoclasm is somewhat misplaced, as i am not a fervent follower of the cult of ra. nor do i think that ra is infallible. as i have repeatedly stated, i share in many of your concerns and criticisms of the material.

so are you really playing devil's advocate? or just being argumentative?

i guess my main point of contention is that, imo, we're all pure service-to-self beings. not a single thing we do is for the benefit of anyone but ourselves--even seemingly altruistic acts are done with some sort of expected reward in mind, either in this world or the next.

here you say that all acts are selfish acts.

they are two very different things, as you can serve others without serving yourself and vice versa.

now here you are saying that one can serve another without serving oneself.

so which is it?

yes, you can, otherwise the distinction wouldn't have been drawn in the first place.

you made this distinction, not ra. there is nothing in the material that says that one being can serve another being without simultaneously serving itself. so your reasoning here is circular.

all i have been trying to say, ad nauseum, is that according to the law of one, your self and another's self are the same self. therefore, if you serve another you serve yourself. that is what it says. so my apologies if i am coming off as righteous but i am 100% confident that is what the law of one says.

whether or not the law of one is true is a completely different discussion. one which we apparently are not going to have anytime soon in this thread.

[Oriax]

the thing is, i consider anything other than 100% service-to-self to be madness, for reasons i've explained in previous posts. even with something like parenting, the parent wouldn't do what they did if it didn't give them some sort of satisfaction (sense of accomplishment, not being lonely etc.) service to others (when done successfully), is essentially an entity recognizing they have limits and being nice to lure in the resources and abilities others have to offer.

[kundalini]

also, "benevolent" forces wouldn't leave highly advanced and intelligent "negative" forces here if they truly believed in service to others. it's akin to locking a child in a room with a dangerous animal and cheering them on through a closed door.

i'm not sure you understand the spirit of what ra tends to say. they don't believe in service to others. they believe in free will. we are on this planet with a set of pre-incarnative catalysts given by our higher selves in order to bring about certain choices in our lives. these choices will help us learn certain things that we wouldn't have been able to see in any other condition. sure the ra tends to promote sto as that appears to them as the most effient path to a plentiful harvest. but there is no way the ra would want anyone to go against their polarisation. you are what you are and if you want to be sts then all the best to you, honestly. to expect everyone else to be as such is folly.

this isn't the density of knowing. this is the density of choices.