Service to Self/Others

[Oriax]

one thing caught my eye in the law of one material and that was requiring 51% service to others or 99% service to self in order to change densities. i don't understand this paradigm at all; service to self is natural, and it is precisely because of this self-interest that we decide to work and live together. it can go too far of course, but then it stops being true, strategic self-interest--it merely becomes shortsightedness. if this is some sort of "test" we're going through, i'd propose that it's one of maturity and intelligence, not necissarily service to others.

also, "benevolent" forces wouldn't leave highly advanced and intelligent "negative" forces here if they truly believed in service to others. it's akin to locking a child in a room with a dangerous animal and cheering them on through a closed door.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

well friend. this is exactly what happens when young souls try to understand this material. the 51 and 99 is irrelevant because there is no time, it is an illusion. and if you at first understand this, then numbers will no longer matter. this deity that everyone calls ra, around here, is greatly misunderstood. the point of not making contact between densities, is so that misunderstanding does not occur, between higher intellect and lower intellect. the intellect of the whole or the one, is projected unto different levels of density, thus the ones vibrating at each density will have a hard time understanding those above. this is why religion is established. now that we are entering into the zone of the higher density, we are obviously going to be sucked in. those at the highest density will once more travel to the lower. this is a natural occurrence, just as a black hole sucks in the light. it does not matter what the requirement is. ra is but another filter. i was taught to ignore his attempts at establishing communications with the lower, because of this communication, the cycle continues. we will never achieve nirvāṇa, with one force assuming it is two. the real requirement is getting up each morning and telling yourself that you are the creator of this world, and that when you die, your world dies with you. thus for someone who says there are no polarities, sure underlines a lot of requirements. 51 and 99 sure look like they are at the middle and at the end of some kinds of a countdown. there is no countdown, no time and certainly no requirements. there is one thing you must do when the change comes- accept it, and it won't matter what percent of what you got. thus this percentage is of those that are ready, and those that are ready in your world are those that are good to themselves and others. if you are ready for change, you are doing everything right. i must accept that you and i will become whole and you must accept that also. then, the change will occur and those not ready for the change will remain behind. those hiding in bunkers and partying like crazy because it is the end of the world will remain here, to come out and witness chaos or to wake up in the morning with a headache, laughing about those nuts that thought the world's gonna end. but we will ascend, even though our form will remain for them here, to keep them in the state of bliss until they are ready. this is the law, and it needs no numbers to underline its key principles. the numbers are for those who are just at the beginning of the acceptance of change. in a world filled with facts, you will be drawn to this remarkable science and math, only to understand that there is no physical where we are going, there is no need for numbers. the life force or intelligence has separate roles for time/space and space/time, while all other forces of the universe work in unison, holding together the two realms underneath which is one being. we are one being, that is constantly divided into two with a line, a bridge in between. like us, with two sides of the body and two sides of the brain but with a spine in the middle, on top of which is the only not split part in the brain, the pineal gland!

so, here, no polarity, no benevolent and no negative. just a system that works the same on every level of awareness!

[MarkM]

hi oriax,

one thought i've had is that the human mind is designed to work in terms of relative value, and is often found to be concerned with differences and assigning relative value to the conditions of our world. some things are good, some bad, better or worse, and so on...

here, the intellect is often that which rules the heart, and the mind can only go so far on the way to fathoming a law of one described vision of one - in which every life form is of one consciousness, every seeming other person and being actually being you in another frame of experiencing.

while the concept of love is not foreign to mankind, love seems relativized, as in the way we decide to have more love or less, depending on the perceived value of the potential recipient. the personality and intellectual structures erected in a lifetime necessarily perceive their surroundings in terms of difference, and love can be conditional or withheld.

surely a normal state of affairs for those yet fully immersed in the beginning, intermediate and even advanced curriculi of third density! yet perhaps eventually the intellectual personality will yield to being informed and led by the heart.

it could be that a soul, with their experiencing of the tool of third density mind and intellect, matures and outgrows the need for continued lifetimes in third, when the capacity of mind/intellect grows to the point of having come to increasingly overlook differences with an accompanying melting into a state of increasingly allowing the heart (love) to view all other people, lifeforms, conditions and situations with an even and undiscerning blanket love.

polarity does indeed come into play here, imo, as to allow one's self to come to realize that everything which happens here is perfectly in accord with divine plan, and every person's chosen path is just as perfect a means back to the creator, one may choose between two paths which represent polarically opposite destinations - the occupation of the positive wherein one channels love/light into the world or the negative pole wherein one is sucking the universal energies in.

this polarization is necessary for ascension into the fourth density, and the existance of polarity enables the existance of the lower densities up until 6th. one may look at the 51% thing to symbolize a balance beam. to have moved closer to the positive pole and somewhat consistantly be radiating unconditional love basically tips the balance beam to one side. this is perhaps what is intended by 51% - for those polarizing positively, we need only tip the balance slightly towards radiating love as opposed to being more likely to be pulling in energy for our exclusive benefit.

one polarizing negative has a different challenge, as a neg polarizer needs to have self discipline to incredible extents, viewing the world as a garden ripe for the picking, dedicated to bending the world to their own personal ends.

attaining 51% won't cut it here, as many of us are service to self over service to others and yet are deep within their 3d curriculum and have not yet the experience or mastery of love to be in a position to polarize either way.

to polarize negative requires the deactivation of the green ray heart center, and almost total dedication to conquest and attaining dominion over others towards the goal of increased power without compunction in regard for those being so dominated and exploited.

according to ra, very few have been successful on this path and relatively few attempt it. most will eventually polarize positive and activate the green ray.

key to all this is an understanding, for me anyway, that the personality/intellect is a temporary construct, built for the purpose of aiding in the navigation of this one lifetime.

i offer these thoughts as only being offered as suppositions based on my own experiencing, not to be taken as being intended to represent anything more than shifting ideas and personal heart-resonance. mark

[Tenet Nosce]

i don't understand this paradigm at all; service to self is natural, and it is precisely because of this self-interest that we decide to work and live together.

hi oriax,

there is a great deal of confusion around this idea. i don't believe your observation is incongruent with the material.

service to self is natural. what the law of one says is that there is only one of us here. there is only one "self". so choosing to serve others as a path to spiritual growth involves seeking the awareness that the other is, in fact, another you.

the sts/sto concept is somewhat difficult to grasp, as the concept of "self" and "other" is illusory.

there are some who perceive that service to others should involve a sacrifice of the self. however, this is a limited view. and incorrect. you cannot give to another by taking away from yourself. it simply does not work that way.

[Oriax]

thanks for the replies. i guess my main point of contention is that, imo, we're all pure service-to-self beings. not a single thing we do is for the benefit of anyone but ourselves--even seemingly altruistic acts are done with some sort of expected reward in mind, either in this world or the next. when we see someone we like, we think "exploitable resource" deep down and that translates emotionally as love, happiness etc. in the presence of the person. those who are considered to be "enlightened" are merely those who have a long-term, wide-angle view of things. they act with generosity and kindness only to further their own security and prosperity, whether they acknowledge it or not.

fundamentally, i think we're all magnetic/devouring entities because we love existence, and existence entails sacrifice and consumption in one way or another. the confusion arises when we confuse hyperactive social instincts with some sort of "true love", when the only true love is looking at something and desiring it.

[EcyaC]

...if this is some sort of "test" we're going through, i'd propose that it's one of maturity and intelligence, not necissarily service to others.

also, "benevolent" forces wouldn't leave highly advanced and intelligent "negative" forces here if they truly believed in service to others. it's akin to locking a child in a room with a dangerous animal and cheering them on through a closed door.

i love your proposal and totally understand what you mean but if i may remind you, in this illusion, children sometimes do get locked in a room with a dangerous animal then cheered on through a closed door, if you know what i mean...just understand those "benevolent forces" could foresee the child winning and/or becoming something much stronger as a result of the unfortunate situation, or "happy" accident/mistake, that was allowed to occur. it's simple for me...i think when you permanently realize everyone is yourself you realize there isn't a thing you don't do for yourself/others therefore you become 100% sto always from then on. sto also stands for service to observer in my book. my book also says, constantly, everything is an illusion so there's no telling how many happy "accidents" can/will occur, or have occurred, to get us as strong as we can possibly be...but i'll bet strength is just something that we can't quit growing...

"thanks for the replies. i guess my main point of contention is that, imo, we're all pure service-to-self beings. not a single thing we do is for the benefit of anyone but ourselves--even seemingly altruistic acts are done with some sort of expected reward in mind, either in this world or the next. when we see someone we like, we think "exploitable resource" deep down and that translates emotionally as love, happiness etc. in the presence of the person. those who are considered to be "enlightened" are merely those who have a long-term, wide-angle view of things. they act with generosity and kindness only to further their own security and prosperity, whether they acknowledge it or not.

fundamentally, i think we're all magnetic/devouring entities because we love existence, and existence entails sacrifice and consumption in one way or another. the confusion arises when we confuse hyperactive social instincts with some sort of "true love", when the only true love is looking at something and desiring it."

and thank you! i had a feeling you'd draw in some really good replies with that and i think you definitely did...your reply here is great, too.

good job my people! keep it up.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

oriax,
exactly! i'm glad we could help. so as i said, numbers... no numbers... everything is just two sides of the same coin. because we are intrigued by existence and want to experience it, we want it... that's not quantum science... its basic and i underline basic logic. i've been aware of the fact that we are a whole since i was 8 years old, but that did not make me want to end my existence. that is why, in the law of one, the level 8 is the same as level 1... and then the cycle starts over. we heard the sweet music, we don't want it to end. there was no purpose there, so.. we created a purpose. and with time, we nourished believes and understandings that suit us. and the whole thing about being good or bad comes down to our own understandings in these opposites. it is like that age old dilemma, if you know something really bad you gotta tell your loved one, but you know it will hurt them more than anything else in the entire world... would you tell them? some would, and some won't! but all for love...
putting a percentage on such a thing really limits our capabilities. it is asking us to follow someone else's system, thus integrate and become a part of that system. we must all find a system for ourselves, so we can identify ourselves. this is why it is so hard for us to understand such concepts as spontaneous manifestation, because that's not what we've been taught and no one brought us up being in coherence with this information. we need numbers because they have been a part of our system for so long. let me just give you a little example, i think it will be of help.
you probably heard that according to a certain person, the world was suppose to end on may 21, 2011... now, it has nothing to do with the person or his previous predictions. well just a little, and all on the grounds of "belief." i learned about this date like less than a week before it happened. people had little time to find out about this date and to form any sorts of opinions. and at the end of the day the believers went home disappointed, but most of the world's population didn't even know that something was suppose to happen.
let's look at 2012. well, i don't want to be wrong in numbers, but pretty much, since the beginning of interpretation of the maya calendar (50+ years ago) the word about this day has been spreading. almost all western adults know about this and had already formed their opinions on the subject. do you see where i am going with this?

we are purposefully, but subconsciously creating a situation that will act as a sequence in which we won't have to work hard to understand the next stage, but will be changed (transformed) on the spot.

it is like your personality, certain character traits stand out from all the rest. so, if you look at our collective personality, there are also going to be traits that stand out. it all depends on what the majority wants... the majority wanted sci-fi to become reality and it did!
but because this essentially happens on the subconscious level, there are many people that are not even aware of what they want on december 21, 2012. but their opinions are already framed based on their personalities. and when they see all of us waiting for that which we are waiting for they will be able to accept the change and come with us. and again, as i said above. in this system, those people are those who do good to themselves and to others.

for example, my mother, she has no idea... yet i know, when we are there, and i tell her: "come on mom" she will ascend with us, because it is out of love for herself and the love she has for me that she will be able to accept the change.

so, it doesn't matter who knows what and who is "enlightened" or not. for example, when i speak to myself i am happy admitting that i am speaking with myself and not my higher self. because it is essentially only me... how can i be higher and lower?
but for some this system works! it don't matter if i call my "higher self" bob, it is still me.

=]
love

[Tenet Nosce]

oriax- i don't disagree with your observations, but respectfully, you are missing the point.

they act with generosity and kindness only to further their own security and prosperity, whether they acknowledge it or not.

yes, exactly. because another's security and prosperity is their own. whether they acknowledge it or not.

the law of one implies that there is only one being in the universe. philosophically, this view is called monism.

do you have a point of contention with this belief? if so... let's hear it!

otherwise, we are debating semantics. i have gone down this thread many, many times my friend, and it does not lead anywhere useful, in my opinion.

invariably, somebody comes along and says, well imo sts means this and sto means this, and then people are debating what exactly constitutes service. which is all well and good, but missing the point.

we are all one.

taking the concept of sto/sts out of the context of the law of one and debating what we think it means is fruitless. the only meaning which is relevant (in this context) is the meaning which ra intended with the communication.

interpreting sto/sts within a dualistic mental framework which takes "self" and "other" to be two different beings is pointless. it is kind of like getting a diagnosis of diabetes from your doctor, and then denying it by saying, "well to me diabetes is such-and-such so i don't really have diabetes."

no, you have diabetes. the only definition of diabetes that is relevant is the one that is the consensus of the medical community. you are totally free to make up your own definitions, but they wouldn't carry any weight with anybody but yourself.

so i will ask you directly: are you a monist? or are you coming from some other philosophical viewpoint?

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

tenet nosce,
thank you!

[Oriax]

just to clarify, i took issue with the way it was explained by "ra". i do believe we are shards of a greater conciousness/force, but we became individuals for a reason and must act within that paradigm. service to others/self is really quite simple, so i'm not sure why there should be a semantic debate. i'm just saying service to self always comes first, and service to others is only carried out in order to satisfy service to self (for any sane being). they are two very different things, as you can serve others without serving yourself and vice versa. coming from this perspective, i found it rather disturbing when the material wagged its finger at me and said i needed to be 51% service to others, otherwise i wouldn't be making it to the better planes of existence. it kind of reminded me of certain dogmatic religions which i've always rejected. also, the material is quite clear that there is a difference between the two, even going so far as to assign star wars/green lantern colours to the good and bad guys (green/blue & red respectively) so i'm not sure why some on here are suggesting there's no difference.

as for the benevolent forces... perhaps i'm a cynic, but i don't think they can see the future half as well as they claim they can. their "prime directive" is likely because they realize they have limited means and don't want to get their hands dirty, much like us. if i ascend i'll certainly be giving them a verbal lashing for being such poor custodians. furthermore, "ra" seems to be breaking the "prime directive" and pushing moralistic material on human beings which is usually the modus operandi of not-so-friendly entities.