i am steadily working my way through the unedited ra session transcripts, and am currently at session 91. as i go along i am getting a very clear sense of the importance of understanding the major arcana of the tarot deck. but ra's perspective is quite different from traditional tarot studies, and i am hoping we can establish an ongoing discussion of that perspective.
there is much ground to cover, and i hope we can help each other along. however, if you are one of those people who think you are so advanced and enlightened that you don't need to study the law of one in detail, i would ask that you kindly butt out of this discussion. it takes a lot of self discipline and patience to understand ra, and we don't need to have the added burden of smarty pants comments from those who are not willing to do the work. (there are plenty of other places for such discussions in the dc fora.) this is about ra's perspective on tarot, not yours, nor mine, nor madame zelda's. please base your comments on law of one and your insights into it.
the preceding paragraph might seem a bit heavy handed, but there has been a problem with this in the law of one fora in the past, and if you have spent much time here, you know what i mean.
i will start off with a discussion to raise some initial questions.
ra describes tarot as an instance of the "system of sevens" used by numerous logoi in the development of their creations. the system of sevens consists of 3 sets of 7 archetypes plus a final archetype, which is the choice, or the fool. the 3 categories are :
each category contains 7 elements:
- great way
so when you put it all together, here is how the tarot looks, ordered according to the scheme ra says was the original sequence:
- matrix (magician)
- potentiator (high priestess)
- catalyst (empress)
- experience (emperor)
- significator (hierophant)
- transformation (lovers, or two paths)
- great way (chariot)
- matrix (justice or balance)
- potentiator (wisdom or the sage)
- catalyst (wheel of fortune)
- experience (enchantress)
- significator (hanged man or martyr)
- transformation (death)
- great way (alchemist)
- matrix (devil)
- potentiator (lightning struck tower)
- catalyst (star or hope)
- experience (moon)
- significator (sun)
- transformation (judgement)
- great way (the world)
- the choice (fool)
ra clearly states that the purpose of the tarot is not divination, but rather self contemplation and introspection. the imagery of the original tarot as given to the egyptians was not to be taken as a final word, but rather as a starting point for the journey. the 3rd density venutians who became ra developed and used this contemplative study of the 3x7 system of archetypes for their own evolution, but did so by visualization of the concepts and imagery, not formalizing the system into a deck of cards with fixed and standardized imagery or interpretations. the tarot deck as we know it, was an outgrowth of the introduction of the 3x7 system by ra to the egyptians, and represents our 3rd density inclination to formalize and standardize. (the minor arcana were introduced later, along with the divinatory practices, and are of no concern to us here.)
i tend to get a little lost in the terminology of the 3x7 system, and it seems that getting a good, clear understanding of what the terms mean would be a good starting point. what, exactly is a matrix in this context? what do the matrices of mind, body and spirit have in common? how do they differ? how do they differ from potentiators? or from catalysts, or significators?
from my readings so far, it seems that the real purpose, and greatest value of the tarot is for one to contemplate each of the archetypes individually, developing an individualized imagery and comprehension of what they mean. ra was unwilling to spell it out in too much detail, because that would short-circuit the exploration. i too believe that our goal here is not to button down all the details of the meaning of the archetypes but rather to sort out a basic conceptual foundation upon which we can build our individual enlightenment. for me, a better understanding of this terminology would be a great start on that foundation.
ultimately, according to ra, it would be useful for each of us to express tarot in our own imagery based on our own cultural and imaginative perspectives. but this first requires that we establish an understanding of the 3x7 framework upon which our logos constructed our existence. that is where i hope this discussion can go.
matrix here could very likely be taken as the substance into which something is embedded. neither clearly definable in a 3d sense. the substance may be primordial energy and the something may be the created form chosen by logos.
that's where i will start. i will enjoy contemplating this thread. it's been a year since reading the tarot portions. i do vividly recall they had a choice between discussing astrology (something i've studied in depth) and tarot. imagine my disappointment when they chose the latter. heehee.
hey mwr, tell us how you really feel. lol.
love and blessings,
plan on being back with more
Last edited by 12thUranus; 11-02-2010 at 05:48 AM.
Great topic! Thanks, mwr!
i, too, have been studying the archetypes recently, in addition to reading the re-listened version on lawofone.info. i printed out all of the pdfs about the archetypes, so i could review them side by side, with images, away from my computer.
so, funny you should post about this, mwr!
the results of my musings and ponderings about this have led me to see the matrix of mind, body, and spirit, as the basic substance out of which the rest is made. the potentiator, then, is what causes something to happen to the basic substance, so that either movement happens (thought for mind, life for body (matrix is chemical), and connection for spirit).
the significator is the person who experiences. the way 3d is set up now, the significator is "complex" - meaning the combination of mind/body/spirit with the veil in place. the significator is the person who makes decisions and decides on the meaning of things, whether or not something has meaning and what that meaning is, such as for experience. the significator is the person who experiences catalyst and does something with that experience, to grow or not to grow, to see things in a negative way or in a positive way.
the great way seems to be the completed aspect of a fully grown/advanced significator. not sure about this, but this is how it's looking to me at the moment.
the rest i haven't pondered too, yet, because getting this far has been an exercise in itself. i have been trying to come up with real world examples of things that behave like matrix and potentiator, and what it's like to have one's own potentiator act on one's matrix to cause movement/life. what does the significator perceive, when this happens?
also, i have questions i have not yet fully explored. perhaps you have? one question is what part of the mind desires? the body has many desires, but is it the significator that desires food when the body is hungry, or is that the potentiator acting upon the matrix to cause catalyst? the spirit can also desire, but what part is doing that? is it the significator that is doing the desiring? or, is it the matrix that desires, and the significator merely recognized it, so as to take action or not?
an example of the mind desiring may be desiring to understand, or even just to know.
an example of the spirit desiring may be desiring to advance spiritually.
okay. i'm focused, but i'm still way off from a full formulation. i wanted to pop back on and present something just to add food for thought during your own research.
like ra said, you can't overlay or "paste" these directly over the sevens. ra did say it was beneficial to consider. i present some notes. i created these on my own, through my search, and listening to my higher self. i wrote these a year ago and they surprisingly coincide with the sevens (again, not exact, as ra noted it shouldn't be). consider these. i hope it helps your progression; i might need to elaborate because its something that is second nature in my mind by now.
take the sevens as the cycle of things. i was on a mission, so to speak, to formulate the cycles as presented by the planets of the zodiac (aries thru pisces). all i'm doing here is providing something to look at.
zodiacal order, planet, my personalized description, sevens
aries, mars, energize, matrix
taurus, venus, materialize, potentiator
gemini, mercury, conceptualize, catalyst
cancer, moon, experience, experience
(here i actually used the same word, and it happens to be the spirit's card is moon)
leo, sun, illuminate, significator
(also the spirit's card of sun. this stage is is)
virgo, mercury, perfect (v.), transformation
i'm going to stop relating them to the sevens here, because it gets dicey as far as "pasting" over the sevens.
finishing up the planets:
libra, venus, deliberate
scorpio, pluto, unify/bind
sagittarius, jupiter, ascend
capricorn, saturn, qualify
aquarius, uranus, awaken
pisces, neptune, transcend/dissolve.
i'm not trying to shift the discussion to the planets, but i see a path to understanding the sevens more deeply. it may just be me, but i wanted to put it out there.
i keep going over "the matrix is conscious and the potentiator is the sea of sub-conscious that the matrix 'dips' into to increase itself". over and over in my mind.
another note i made immediately after reading this thread-
sevens: source, increase, agitate, form, express, work, progress.
our conscious is created in the ethers, it is increased by the way of sub-conscious.
our body is a balance of energies, and wisdom gives to accrue its functioning.
our spirit is deep and dark, and light(ning) increases its purpose.
mind is born to conscious. magician. magic knowing. potentiator intensifies conscious by feeding infinite knowledge of subconscious.
body is born of balancing vibration energy. potentiator intensifies this balance with wisdom of the logos, or wisdom of the entire verses.
devil is darkness. spirit is born in darkness. the potentiator intensifies the spirit born with lightning. flashes. like a strobe. a flash. time. a flash. faster. faster. the faster the flashes the more is seen. stay inside the lightning. live in the flash. .... oops. got ahead of myself a little. excited.
is anyone else receiving massive amounts of correlations btwn these terms and biblical terms? no need to explain, but ... wow.*
i wrote these reading loo today in light of this thread to simplify the meanings.*
matrix. i am. i co-exist.*
potentiator. i grow. i generate. **
catalyst. i interact. i learn. i conceptualize. *
experience. i experience. i qualify. i feel.
significator. i signify. this is the actual mind, body, or spirit respectively. this is the significant part of threes, and is paired with the 22nd, the choice. * *
transformation. i know. i transcend. i become. *
great way. i return. i dissolve into one.
before posting i returned to old notes. some time a year or so ago, i wrote:
in its infancy, before existence, *you get these:
to desire new growth in who you are.
to be productive with what you have.
to stimulate thought by inquisitively exploring who you know.
to establish feelings by experiencing everything around you.
to love by expressing yourself in enjoying activities.
to know existence by managing what you have to do day to day.
to interact with others at a mutual level by balancing who you are and what you desire with who they are and what they desire. (connecting)
to regenerate individuality into something new by going deep into yours and others personal resources
, in other words, people sincerely involving their true selves mutually. (really connecting)
to expand who and what you know by participating with and converging with more individuals. (networking)
to qualify what everyone experiences with each other collectively
to awaken our awareness by reforming our patterns of thought in sharing our joy together.
to dissolve your obligations of what you have to do by believing and trusting in the higher purpose and oneness of all.
since monday night around 11 i have been dealing with my 86 year old father being in the hospital with a serious health problem and have not had time to get back to this. hopefully soon. the comments look very interesting.
Thoughts are with you mwr
mwr - you have been greatly delayed in getting back to this thread. i hope everything is ok with your father. my own father will be 85 on nov 22nd, so i can only imagine. my thoughts are with you, for support however you need it most.
Originally Posted by mwr1026
Good ideas, 12th!
hey, 12th, thanks for your thoughts on how the astrology may line up with the sets of 7 tarot archetypes. i think ra didn't really like to do this, because the comparisons were incomplete, as you no doubt worked through. i like what you did, though, because i also have studied and used astrology, much more than tarot, for my own benefit and for those around me, so i too am more familiar with the planets and signs than the tarot.
i'd also like to point out that pluto is more about transformation than about binding, and scorpio is more about uncovering secrets, delving into the depths of shadow to find whatever light there may be. the result is that exploration/investigation leads to the light /enlightenment/ uncovering of secrets/ what is hidden. this is the essence of the spiritual quest.
when i did study the tarot, it was for divining purposes, not for archetypal value, so this exercise i've been doing recently - that of studying the 3 sets of 7 archetypes that ra recommends, so that we can align our own minds with that of the galactic creator - is a completely new way of looking at things for me.
but, since i very much enjoy wrapping my mind around new concepts and thinking through to their (either) inevitable or inconclusive endings, i am enjoying this challenge. i hope you are, too! looks like you're off to a good start. my thanks again to mwr for asking his question.
i think that these thoughts of yours
are good meditative phrases. i think i will ponder these. i see some great insight here, that i think is worth thinking about.
Originally Posted by 12thuranus
i further think that the great way would then somehow be paired with pluto, and that it signifies a completion, after the significator deals with a specific catalyst.
i see these 7 archetypes (whether of mind, body, or spirit, yet all of the mind) as representing a continual flow of initiation (matrix/potentiator), experience (catalyst/experience), contemplation/transformation (tranformation), and completion/integration of the lesson(great way).
i see these 7 archetypes as a kind of "flow" - a series of steps in a process - that the mind moves through as we live and grow. in that way, this is the thought process of our galactic center/creator, the one who gave us these archetypes in the first place. (ra didn't really give us the archetypes, but only defined them for us. we have all been created with the archetypes within us.)
the way i'm thinking now about this is that, as we learn these well enough, so that we can apply them consciously, instead of merely unconsciously, in our lives, we will begin to think like the galactic creator, and thus align our minds with that of our galaxy center entity.
this can only promote a unity of mind that would be impossible any other way. in light of this thought, i think that the way a person or entity advances to higher densities will be dependent upon how well they are able to do this, over time. this would then logically mean that ra has already done this to a great extent, and that is why they are almost ready to advance to the 7th density, that of unity.
ra has then given us a tool that we can use to train our minds, so that we can do that, too. it is with this perspective that i am studying these archetypes. it's not merely an academic exercise in thought. it's a tool for spiritual advancement.
i like where this thread is going. it is what i was hoping for.
btw, my dad is doing better, might get out in a couple of days.