Pre 4th Density Cycle Difficult Compared To Others?

[SpiralCycle]

spiralcycle: when one holds the belief that they are of their creator...then creaturehood necessarily follows...how one wishes to extend their creation, then, becomes a function of their learned behaviours and their creative intelligence...when one seeks higher knowledge and light, one's realm reflects that very act...focus of the creation results in the service to self or service to others that ra reflects upon at length in loo...but make no mistake about it...it arises from within the entity...third density veiling is designed to heighten and enrich this experience of creaturehood and demands much of the entity in thought and form...it is a two way street we find ourselves upon, not a one way boulevard down easy lane...stop...look...and listen to that you have contributed to this creation for and by our creator...by whichever name you wish to call him or her...for in essence we hold all that is within...peace/light/love...barryvictor

thank you for sharing. it is true that there is not a one way path that is easy to evolve with. most of us that have grown and expanded have sometimes had to go through difficult processes. we do hold the capability to become whatever we will sometimes it takes a lot more will and effort sometimes it doesn't.

i actually like having a "3rd density" experience because it is so grounded and you have to learn things in very in your face way which can be very helpful. it also gives the chance to experience things with more solidity and with more time, but i just think others have used these things against beings on purpose and if it is not very evident i only want people not to give into or fight against but to keep a watchful eye because the network of this system has had vast amounts of time and resources put into it and think it goes further than most of what we here even in the forefront of news and articles.

it mostly saddens me to think of how bad people have been hurt like duncan o'finioan and brice taylor and i at times try to understand the purpose of so much pain but i just have a hard time believing it is in place for a universal reason other than others forcing it with their free will. it may have a purpose and if i find it i will be open to it but for now i just cannot agree with it and wish more people would be aware of these things so we could help relieve and reduce the pain.

i am also very hopeful and happy to experience pain from time to time so i can understand how it effects so many others. it gives me more reason to help as much as i can when i can. these experiences have only made me happier to serve.

[SpiralCycle]

prison planet... or galactic insane asylum!

whatever this place is, i am fairly sure it is not "normal" by galactic standards. in other words, if one were to survey civilizations around the galaxy at roughly the same stage of development i doubt you would find many with the same kind of diversity that you see here on earth.

some things to consider:

1. there is some evidence in the law of one to suggest that there are many different groups of souls incarnate on earth who, for some reason or another, did/could not graduate on their original evolutionary line.

2. several times in human history, people have decided to "deal" with the dark elements of society by making them outcasts and forcing them to live together away from everybody else. for example, australia was at one time a prison island.

3. humanity has had a persistent challenge in dealing with insane people and lunatics. this is not much talked about in the history books, but it has been a consistent problem all throughout various societies. why are there so many of them? and what is the solution? is this just a normal part of life?

4. one of the more esoteric aspects of freemasonry involves architectural design that is intended to imprison consciousness as much as the body. peruse some old state run mental institutions or modern federal prisons with google earth for some interesting views.

5. according to various sources, earth has been in some sort of hyperdimensional lockdown or quarantine. is this to keep others out? or to keep souls in? both?

6. many human cosmologies tell of some time of "fall" or spiritual rebellion in humanity's distant past.

7. there is a very high incidence of abuse, enslavement, and incarceration among humans. is this really normal? or is something unusual going on here?

just some things to ponder. as above, so below.

1.-i believe 100% that many many people from all over the universe come here although it can seem one track at times the earth is very diverse in experience and many kinds of souls can manage the human body although the emotions can be very fickle.

2.- i think society has neglected the roots and instead of treating things early and finding it from the beginning they wait until it has become a problem (bad mistake). a lot of the dark aspects of humanity don't really start in most beings but they are just the perpetuation of people who taught them or influenced them unhealthy ways of living. if you had a society that were very informed and very helpful by large then it would be very rare to have someone come up through that society and be a total menace. of course they would do things and learn from them but big deal that happens.

3.- people with real disabilities regarding mental health i have found at many times more pleasant than people who think only within the bounds of their egoic consciousness. although a lot of them cannot function easily with things or steps they are mostly quite nice and don't find them trying to inflict hurt on others. there are of course many reasons. they may have been broke by so much pain and hurt that they had so much stress that their minds were shattered. they of course could have just been born with it sometimes it is just bad luck in the conceiving process or some kind of genetic predisposition. i think the best thing would to be is just work with them they can be easy to deal with for some they just need time and resources.

4.- yes!! i was wondering this. when i was in jail it seemed like the consciousness there was so much held back like i could actually feel it. this was a combination of structure, people and how they deprive you of everything they "legally" can. after my visit i actually looked on google earth to see an overhead view. it is a very odd triangular shape that i have not seen anywhere else and came to this conclusion also, great find!

5.- i think that the benevolent beings have tried to keep an eye on us and not let the "disease" spread so they probably have things in place to make sure we don't go around terrorizing others. at the same time it is practically impossible to get the resources as a private individual to actually go out into the universe. we can have fast cars or nice homes but only the "big players" or military industrial complex around the globe gets to try and go everywhere even though it may be limited from outside sources.

6.- of course.

7.- i don't believe it is natural at all. i just thought of this the other day; "why don't they have prisons build in the wilderness or instead of helping why do they punish others.... oh yea they don't like people to be in tune with their own nature". but most of this stuff going on most people allow and don't mind so i think for people they don't care and so if others who want to make it normal have no problem making it normal.

[Tenet Nosce]

2.- i think society has neglected the roots and instead of treating things early and finding it from the beginning they wait until it has become a problem (bad mistake). a lot of the dark aspects of humanity don't really start in most beings but they are just the perpetuation of people who taught them or influenced them unhealthy ways of living. if you had a society that were very informed and very helpful by large then it would be very rare to have someone come up through that society and be a total menace. of course they would do things and learn from them but big deal that happens.

i wonder quite a bit about when/where it all started. i agree that most of these behaviors are being handed down through families. but then who was the first?

3.- people with real disabilities regarding mental health i have found at many times more pleasant than people who think only within the bounds of their egoic consciousness. although a lot of them cannot function easily with things or steps they are mostly quite nice and don't find them trying to inflict hurt on others. there are of course many reasons. they may have been broke by so much pain and hurt that they had so much stress that their minds were shattered. they of course could have just been born with it sometimes it is just bad luck in the conceiving process or some kind of genetic predisposition. i think the best thing would to be is just work with them they can be easy to deal with for some they just need time and resources.

not dogging on the crazy people. i meant more from a group mind perspective... maybe the prevalence of broken minds is a symptom of something wrong with the group mind.

4.- yes!! i was wondering this. when i was in jail it seemed like the consciousness there was so much held back like i could actually feel it. this was a combination of structure, people and how they deprive you of everything they "legally" can. after my visit i actually looked on google earth to see an overhead view. it is a very odd triangular shape that i have not seen anywhere else and came to this conclusion also, great find!

this revelation was a bit of a surprise to me. i sort of stumbled upon it while researching something else. interesting that i have known about using architecture to raise consciousness, but had never thought of using it to bind consciousness.

5.- i think that the benevolent beings have tried to keep an eye on us and not let the "disease" spread so they probably have things in place to make sure we don't go around terrorizing others. at the same time it is practically impossible to get the resources as a private individual to actually go out into the universe.

sometimes i wonder if the idea of physical beings flying around outer space in massive metallic ships is part of the control program. i would conjecture that interstellar space travel is only possible for those who have the ability to dematerialize their bodies. i once had a vision which suggested that a being can only travel to a planet that it has already been to, unless it is escorted by another being who has "clearance".

but most of this stuff going on most people allow and don't mind so i think for people they don't care and so if others who want to make it normal have no problem making it normal.

from a very young age, i questioned the idea that earth is "normal". the assumption is generally made that earth is an "average" planet in an "average" solar system in an "average" galaxy. i think this is a false assumption. even statistically speaking, it doesn't really make sense. even if we assume a normal bell-curve distribution of inhabitable planets, 68.2% of them would fall under the designation of "normal". that leaves nearly a third which are outliers.

when i let my mind wander into thinking of intelligent life across the universe, it just seems absurd that so many people are so psychologically unstable. just like in the smaller scale- if a person spends enough time living among inmates in a prison or mental institution, they will start to redefine normal as something which is actually pathological.

i don't mean to mischaracterize by generalizing. i realize that our prisons are filled with many peaceful and loving people, and that many "crazies" are actually geniuses and visionaries. i guess i am only thinking about people who are on the extreme end of violent, aggressive, or wildly irrational behavior. but still, as few as there are people like that percentage-wise, i feel like it is very high.

kind of like if you took a poll of all recent graduates into 4d, how many of them came from a planetary collective that displayed as much of these qualities as people here on earth?

[PokerPlayer123]

I think it depends on how harmonious our subjective interactions are. I believe Ra has mentioned that their own 3rd density illusion was much more harmonious on Venus as compared to ours here on Earth. They have made some mistakes in their interactions with us in the passed when they naively assumed that we would use their knowledge and technology in the same responsible manner that they did when they were given access to it by their ascended teachers. So, I believe that if the understanding of the one-ness of things and the interrelated nature of reality is common knowledge and is acted upon in a positive manner by the inhabitants of a planet, the transition between densities is not as littered with "inconveniences" as our current experience seems to be.

[LightedAwareness]

This is the "flipping point" to Oneness. We have to polarize in order to use our upcoming powers. If we had 4D abilities in a 3D planet and it was completely allowed,, There would be little progress. Probably just destruction, very quickly. Look at Hitler. He was a confused entity, and if he had 4D powers in 3D, it woud be pure chaos.

[Emily Theresa L'Esperance]

This is the "flipping point" to Oneness. We have to polarize in order to use our upcoming powers. If we had 4D abilities in a 3D planet and it was completely allowed,, There would be little progress. Probably just destruction, very quickly. Look at Hitler. He was a confused entity, and if he had 4D powers in 3D, it woud be pure chaos.

That is an interesting thought. 4D, as I am starting to understand, cannot be attained by such an entity. Such a being is purely 3D. And I hope it's not true but there are people obviously stuck in 3D and unwilling to open up to 4D. We will have people who can do 4D things like have an epiphany. The minute you don't think you can do something then that's it -3D mindset.

[LightedAwareness]

i was curious if anyone thought that one of the most challenging progressions would be in the latter stages of 3rd density from what they understand of stage development within the loo?

i didn't look up any direct passages on this but was thinking how the systems work and density's were described by the ra collective seeming strenuous near the end a density's cycle.

3d has many mixed aspects and seems common within 3d spheres and why so many may get caught up in karma if visiting from higher ones like david mentions which would also seem to be quite a challenge by examples given of such instances.

i have seen people that have been taken through the rapids of this plane and most every one has quite the hard time doing the balance act. i am fortunate enough to do alright with stress but for many it is constant.

any thoughts on the strain of this planet or other 3rd density latter stage developments compare to this one? the only thing i think that would be the most difficult is how to deal with prison planets which i am speculative of but has been mentioned on dc also and have empathy for the inhabitants if they aren't just being given back what they dished out.

This planet is a very special planet in the evolutionary progress of our Universe in which we reside. Some planets develop nuclear catastrophe like Maldek, now the asteroid belt, or mars, which blew off its atmosphere, and this continues throughout the cosmos. We were going down that line, but these benevolent beings

The ascended masters: Mary, Jesus 5D, Buddha ?D, (Quin Chi?), and the others that I fail to recognize. and even ones above them,
David 6D, and 7th density benevolent beings .tht typically take a feline type body, in human form are here and helping the planet and Humanity, But weve have to change it, they cannot; they can only assist us through meditation.

There are so many Benevolent beings here. This is not usual on most other 3D planets. Why?

Because this planet is one of the toughest planets in our galaxy. If the milky way were to be divided into quadrants, Earth is the toughest school within one of these quadrants.

This is a very special planet. When we beat the dark forces here on Earth, It will be like a massive blast of Love in the start of out return to a loving Universe. Otherwise, It may be a win for darkness, and a dark Universe might start to take the lead.

But guess what?

Mother Earth chose Love, and She knows best.