one thing about this shift is we tend to label it as a mayan thing...not even close, the entire planet is moving up in consciousness, do the mayans know more than anybody else about whats going on? maybe, probably not. there are probably souls all over the earth who have a grasp on exactly whats going down and then gradations from there...
im no expert on mayan civilization but from what ive heard, the maya, for the most part are spiritual babies and do not reflect at all what the elder race was like. im sure thats changing but there were few who knew what was up and they werent talking, until recently. even now i am somewhat disappointed in that all we have received is a few nebulous videos of don alejandro oxlaj cirilo perez ( i hope i put those in the right order) talking about a shift that we shouldnt fear, but not really gfiving us any idea whats going on.
so for me, this ceased being a "mayan" thing a long time ago. i thought by now they would have revealed so much light and so much detail, what the deal?
as far as jmj goes, i have no real opininion. i see calleman walking and talking with the mayan elders who do actually know whats going on and hes sticking to his guns, even after jmj blasted their mutual correspondence with eachother about the date all over the net, that speaks volumes.
as somebody else pointed out on another thread, perhaps 10/28/11 is one thing and 12/21/12 is another. we seem to hit a point of time/no time at the end of this october....perhaps time doesnt mean what it used to and this is the reason for all the confusion afterwrds? ii mean think about it, time will still be a marker even if we cease to live under its old parameters. its something to think about, calleman's work is pretty solid and i havent seen any serious refutation.
i cant stress this enough, im tired and i want game over!
(channeling from carla rueckert)
ra: this sphere… has not made an easy transition to the vibrations which beckon. therefore, it will be fetched with some inconvenience… this inconvenience, or disharmonious vibratory complex, [i.e. the disharmony of the peoples creating earth changes] has begun several of your years in your past. it shall continue unabated for a period of approximately thirty of your years.
question: in 30 years this will be a 4th density planet. is this correct? (1981 + 30 = 2011)
ra: this is so. (b1, 93) [this session was held in jan. 1981.]
but honestly, alot of people are saying 2011 or 2012, and we are in that time from now. we should be shifting about now or next year, though it could be a gradual shift, idk.
it was late when i posted the link above and i wanted to add some comments.
i don't particularly ascribe to the notion that nothing is going to happen in 2012. it's clear that "something" is happening now. although the jury is still out on just what it will be, this particular alignment is important for any number of reasons, because of the position of our solar system in relation to the galactic, ecliptic and equatorial planes. this is described beautifully by nick anthony fiorenza:
the cross alignment became erect during the winter solstice of 1998 with the vernal axis at 5 degrees of the virgo/pisces polarity(since procession moves counterclockwise, this is the later stages of these signs). this is an exciting time to be on the planet as an astrologer. i've always desired to be on hand at the dawn of a new age. i sense i've been on hand for many of them. however, i believe, this one will be something to behold. because this one is the convergence of so many cycles that it boggles the imagination as to what is to come. we are at the end of the cycle of darkness. the point where darkness manifests itself in it's most concentrated density before giving way to the approaching light. this is "natural law" and cannot be overturned. so let it be!
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dates are useful, but i think that each person grows at their own rate. look how many famous scientist learned at a slower rate then most yet still made a contribution to society (einstein for exampl).
i agree, priestoflight, dates are insignificant. only finite beings need set dates and times. infinite beings move between the spaces and understand the concept of "periods of energetic significance." the nature of that significance can only be conjecture. the important thing to remember is to strive to be in optimum receptive consciousness in order to merge with the change and participate as directed within the stream of the new intent.
there are many different sources that point to 2012... which one do you wish to talk about? maya calender? (because you said calendar) although there are a few other calendars that have been interpreted by scholars and amateurs as having a connection to 2012.
graham hancock is an amazing journalist and writer. in the reign of atlanteans (solamon-amun), hancock was known as kamashka. he was a noisy, but interesting fellow. my father was very proud of his investigative abilities.
ha, sorry... back to the facts. every single scientist and investigator is entitled to their own opinion. first of all, 2012 is not going to be anything like the movie... regarding the link you provided. the earth changes that will occur will occur because of our shift in conciousness. earth is coming with us, you know! as for the the precession of the equinox, there are as many opinions as there are people that are looking into this ordeal. some say that the time between the ages is the same, others say it is not, due to the different sizes of the constellation. although many ruled that idea out, as impossible to count, it is still a possibility. in my personal opinion, there is a time between the ages which is highlighted by the shift of conciousness and global events. the way we name things is not a coincidence. the new age movement refers to moving into the new age... and this period might as well take a couple or more decades. does that mean that nothing significant will occur in 2012? of course, no. if we all feel something will happen, then it will. that's the whole point of this... we want this change, therefore, it will happen!
also, look closely to other clues. for example, my generation is generation y and my son is already included in generation z... which started in 2010. the next generation after that has no name... strange, right?
maybe we won't move into the age of aquarius because after 2012, there will be a completely different count system for everything due to the ascension. or maybe no count system at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
either way, i live in canada, and our climate is changing dramatically. this is due to the sun activity... and the fact that the 11 year sun cycle (when the magnetic poles of the sun flip) happens in 2012 is a rather loud sign for me. according to cayce, the south-east part of canada will be the safest place when the earth changes happen, so you are all welcome to come visit!
Remember that no matter how correct information is, at the bottom line it all exists and will exist in all variation and form.
if the shift was in 2200, that would imply i chose to incarnate here at this time to work a 9 - 5 and aspire to mediocrity. lol, i don't think so.
here's a link to an article by mr. razzeto that i found on graham hancock's website. in this article the author presents the most reasonable explanation to the mayan calendar and 2012 that i've seen. it relies less upon unsubstantiated mumbo-jumbo and more on facts.