Giza complex - Orion vs. Ra

[Sam Womelsdorf]

hi! i have a question that i think someone here might be able to help me with:

in the law of one books, ra shares some information regarding the great pyramid; how it was made, what it was for etc. ra apparently was a big part of its making.

also, throughout the material 'the orion group' is referred to as a negatively oriented group that apparently has and has had some interaction with our planet.

so here is my question: if ra, positively oriented and originating from our solar system, helped to make, or made the great pyramid, why is the complex that the great pyramid is a part of so clearly representing part of the orion constellation?

the law of one books are so dear to me and i am so grateful for the message they contain. this question may border on the trivial, but it has come up in my thoughts a couple of times now. any insight on the question would be appreciated.

thanks!
sam

[MarkM]

a thought instantly comes to mind, sam - the orion system is first and foremost a collection of suns and planets which in and of themselves are an example of the majesty and brilliance of the creator's logoic wonder.

in terms of the orion group, this reality of the logoic nature of the stars involved is not necessarily tarnished by the means of becoming and evolution of some of the resident lifeforms evolving there.

the concept of the negatively polarized groups which hail from these parts is perhaps a necessary yet peripheral issue as compared to whatever else may be stemming from there, and let's not forget that the negs themselves play a vital role in our own journeys of positive polarization. there may be something of the timeless wisdom inherent in the loo at play, here, i don't know.

in sixth density, all polarities are reconciled, and sixth results from the long term dramas of the dance between the polarities in lower densities, without which it seems there is no impetus to evolution and the movement through to oneness. maybe orion and sol together represent some kind of achievement in regard to the reconciling of the polarities in this part of the galaxy?

maybe there, our sol system is legendary as to it's story of the positive path, leading to sixth; sol having birthed the ra complex and all... as well as our own future earth potential. maybe there's a great catalyst happening between our respective systems in the sense of catalyst for galactic evolution. pure speculation!

one thought which strikes me is that the orion crusaders are of lower density than sixth, which is the home density of the ra as they communicate to us. that which manifests to us as ra in it's sixth density state is without polarization either neg or pos. one wonders if the ra is equally invested in the becoming of the neg evolutionary stream! that'll keep you up tonite! see, so it's possibly not really ra vs. orion, i'm guessing. mark

[Deambor]

good question, sam. i have to say i'm not 100% clear on the role of orion. ra clearly re-iterates that orion is of neative orientation. i'm speculating that it is possible that negs of higher dimensions, should they appear today and contact our 3d population, would be perceived as gods to us and possibly provide certain benefits to us (like for example cure from our most common diseases). so we would welcome it of course. but they would ultimatetly lead us towards slavery etc. we should remember that 4 and 5ds are as more advanced in their ways as we are advanced compared to rocks.


mark, you really throw a wrench of ra-orion connection.

i can't find this in loo at the moment, but i thought that only towards the completion of 6th density entities reach the level of wisdom that defaults them to sto path. i thought that ra states somewhere that they are of sto path. don't they fight off 5d negative greeting/attack on carla at some point? it doesn't feel like they are "equally invested". on the other hand, they keep their cool about negative path, which they can, being of 6d. i don't know. but it will keep me up tonight, you are right.

[Glothr]

perhaps i missed/forgot something in the loo series about the pyramids at giza but i recall ra stating it had a hand in creating the great pyramid. i don't remember if it is in there or not but i don't remember ra telling of the other 2 pyramids. maybe the orion's used their manipulation to get the people to add the other 2 in order to give tribute to orion. i admit i do not know this for a fact, i'll have to check it later. but it would make sense, in theory, that when the orion's got wind of this amazing device for healing that they wanted to warp the mystery around it and make people think it was them, gaining more power through worship. as i said, it may be wrong but it certainly fits the mo of the orion's.

if the orion's did lend a hand to ra in building the great pyramid it would certainly be a monument of great meaning. think about it, one of our 8 wonders of the world being of an origin from both negative and positive universal forces. the ultimate symbol of balance, yin and yang. since all is one then it would make sense to make the pyramid available to both sts and sto entities.

i admit both of these theories are just that, theories, but this is something that i found interesting and to me either of these would make complete sense. hopefully we find our answer in the loo or through other means.

[Sam Womelsdorf]

markm, dreambor, glothr,

thanks so much for your thought, insights and theories.

i posted the same question on bring4th and someone there, responded that basically the giza complex mirrors the orion constellation because it is 'an astrological time-stamp, informing later cultures of the date of it's construction.' apparently 'orion was due south of the pyramids upon being built (while the sphinx pointed due east towards leo)'

frankly, as well considered as your thoughts are and as relevant as the 'astrological time-stamp' theory is, none of it really fully explains it for me. but, that is ok. i think the esoteric field is full of apparent paradoxes resulting from my limited perspective.

again, thanks for your input.

[Tenet Nosce]

so here is my question: if ra, positively oriented and originating from our solar system, helped to make, or made the great pyramid, why is the complex that the great pyramid is a part of so clearly representing part of the orion constellation?

interesting question. i suspect it may have something to do with having to balance out the potential for choice.

since the channeling phenomenon has become so commonplace we would like to make an additional comment on the conditioning vibration. many who serve as instruments feel that they recognize the entities who speak
through them by the conditioning vibration and need no other
identification to be sure that they are channeling whom they think they are
channeling. we have found that this is not always so because negative
entities of the same relative vibration will feel just like the familiar positive
entity to the one serving as instrument when the negative entity wishes to
call itself by another name and mimic the positive entity as a part of the
process of tricking the instrument and then detuning the positive work
done by the group receiving its information. this is standard procedure for
those of the path of service to self. the fundamental concept involved is
that the opportunity for positive entities to speak through instruments and
groups must be balanced by the same opportunity being offered to negative
entities.

[Tenet Nosce]

i can't find this in loo at the moment, but i thought that only towards the completion of 6th density entities reach the level of wisdom that defaults them to sto path. i thought that ra states somewhere that they are of sto path. don't they fight off 5d negative greeting/attack on carla at some point? it doesn't feel like they are "equally invested". on the other hand, they keep their cool about negative path, which they can, being of 6d. i don't know.

i think there is a bit of confusion here. according to loo, ra is a late 6th density social memory complex that polarized on the sto path, but has since moved past the duality of sto/sts.

ra did not "fight off" the 5d negative greeting, in fact their attitude seems to be that it is completely acceptable and to be expected. ra did offer some thoughts (when asked) on how to manage such a greeting so as to minimize the depolarizing effect.

remember that the ra group acted in folly during the egypt contact, being overly distorted toward love and lacking in wisdom. they did not foresee how their offer of advanced technology would be misappropriated by folks who were distorted toward control and slavery.

[12thUranus]

markm, dreambor, glothr,

thanks so much for your thought, insights and theories.

i posted the same question on bring4th and someone there, responded that basically the giza complex mirrors the orion constellation because it is 'an astrological time-stamp, informing later cultures of the date of it's construction.' apparently 'orion was due south of the pyramids upon being built (while the sphinx pointed due east towards leo)'

frankly, as well considered as your thoughts are and as relevant as the 'astrological time-stamp' theory is, none of it really fully explains it for me. but, that is ok. i think the esoteric field is full of apparent paradoxes resulting from my limited perspective.

again, thanks for your input.

yes. sounds like their could certainly be a time line discrepancy.
the "time stamp" theory is really great, but it leaves me leaning back in my chair wondering if past civilizations had the future population in mind at all. that goes for mayan calendar as well.
i suppose it could be possible that logos allows past memories to manifest more in the beginning of a planet in 3d.
its hard to grasp what any civilization was like centuries removed. some say they were more ignorant. some say they were more brilliant. i suppose it could fluctuate between the two like a wave over centuries. really, it is what we make it to be now and then

[mwr1026]

as i understand it, the reason that 6th density evolves away from sto/sts orientation is that oneness of all becomes so compelling that those polarities become unsustainable. they are simply irrelevant and in order to progress, they must be abandoned because service to self or service to others both mean the same thing when other is self.
6th density is where the sameness of other and self become glaringly apparent, and thus distinctions become impossible. prior to 6th density there is a veil over this fact. we can assent to it intellectually at lower densities, even at 3rd density, but it is not compellingly self evident until density 6.
separateness, or individuality, becomes fully realized in density 3, and is not fully dissolved until density 6.

this response is a bit off the original topic, but the thread has wandered to this point. i'm not sure i really grasp the significance of the relationship of giza to sts and of sts to orion. but i do understand the catalytic role of sto/sts in the progression of densities. for me, the greatest catalytic challenge is the necessity to allow the tension of sto/sts. i really don't want to have to go through two more densities of this struggle...and that's why i must.

[Enivid]

"for me, the greatest catalytic challenge is the necessity to allow the tension of sto/sts. i really don't want to have to go through two more densities of this struggle...and that's why i must."

could you expand more on what you mean?

thanks for a great post!