We Are Responsible.

[Ewhaz]

the thread on et mentorship was beginning to get off course with my latest post, so i wanted to begin another thread where the concepts could be hashed out in greater detail without detracting from the other thread.

posted by bobfitz

sorry, but i don't buy it.
ignorance is passed down generation after generation and ruthlessly enforced until it is a foregone conclusion that the status quo is accepted.

don't tell me a child born into 15th generation poverty is to blame for being poor. and please spare me the claim that we should all naturally reject every norm of our upbringing. it's a galactic cop out.

we turn our heads from kids starving in india just like our "advanced brothers" let us twist for 13,000 years while they debated whether we were worth all the trouble. blame the victim? really? i guess we're not all that different from advanced races after all.

it's an extremely hard and harsh pill to swallow, that in the end we are personally responsible for the suffering and anguish in the world. none the less, that's a truth.

first lets take a look at the idea that the universe is a fractal universe. what does that mean? it means that even the smallest part is a reflection of the whole. as it's been stated before if you take a holigram and break it up, the smaller pieces still have the image in it's entirety, even down to the smallest fleck.

what you see in the world, the evil and the injustice are just reflections of our inner selves. we are to blame for sending out the frequencies that were required to be reflected back at us.

how am i responsible for a starving child in a third world country? well on several different levels i am responsible. for one, i support a government that does not enforce fair trade for the corporations that exist within it's boundaries. companies buy from the cheapest they can find, which is often those third world countries where food can be manufactured for pennies a day due to the fact that families are working for a fraction of that just to make ends meet. i don't always buy fair trade goods myself, they are more expensive and so there i am responsible as well. third, i turn a blind eye to their plight. knowing there are starving children somewhere and knowing i can make a difference, i am too wrapped up in my own problems to offer that help. and those are just ways i'm responsible on a physical dimension.

energetically, i radiate fear about lack of abundance. why can't i afford fair trade goods? cause i can only see money coming in from the sources i know and trust.. job, obligations, etc. i have not yet broken myself out of that paradigm of fear of lack, though i am working on it. every time i stress and fear about not having enough money to cover my bills, i send out a vibration that the starving child is a reflection of. the starving child would not exist if we did not need it to exist for us to see something in ourselves.

every time you get cut off in traffic and feel rage and hatred, every time you feel jealous of some one at work or in your social circle, every time you feel you must control or manipulate some one for their own good, the world reflects that back at you. negative emotions come from fear. every time you fear you send out that vibration and the world gives you exactly what you want. we fear we have no power, so we give it to some one else. we fear there is not enough so the ones in power enforce a system where there are finite resources we must compete over. we fear death so there is a system in place that reflects that in the actions of the illuminati plotting to destroy us. the universe is fair and unbiased. it gives you what you ask for time and time again. if you fear, it reinforces that fear for you, if you love then you begin to receive loving vibrations instead.

in the end, we are responsible. we are waking up to this fact which is why things are changing but we still have a ways to go.

[Bill]

ehwaz... well said. it is as simple, and as difficult as that. i resonated with quite a few of your comments, and struggle through those experiences... been thinking more about our responsibility to state, with clear intentions, who we are, and what we believe. not that our government has failed us, etc., but that it is our responsibility, and let us state our intentions with clarity and purpose.

[bobfitz]

thank you for moving this dialog to a new thread. ;-)

i don't disagree with anything you are saying. but, i don't think you addressed my question from the other post.

i understand how we are responsible for creating negative aspects to our existence and how our negativity can do harm to others. lord knows, we exercise our freedom to turn away from the ugliness of exploitation everyday.

here's the part i question:
are you saying that a starving child accepted an "offer of enslavement" the day he was born? or, that a human (who is not taught the way the universe works) has asked to be enslaved by a being who possesses knowledge and chooses to exploit the uninformed?

in my opinion, if a person is acting with complete or partial information and chooses to be subservient, that's one thing. if a person has no information (or even the slightest inkling that such information exists) and is victimized as a result, the situation is hardly an exercise in free will. blaming the victim in the second scenario is the part i don't buy into.

i suppose it's possible that we make a choice to be exploited before we incarnate because we want to experience the harsh lessons. if so, the beings that exploit us are simply fulfilling our requests. however, it's equally possible that our choices are being interfered with by some unsavory characters who don't have the right or permission.

maybe given our track record on this planet, we're getting all the "help" we deserve. maybe given the track record of others on this planet, we can use a little 3rd party information and guidance to help us along the path.

[Matthew Clark]

hi ewhaz,

firstly, i applaud your post, you put your points across both spiritually and eloquently and i thank you for this.

what you see in the world, the evil and the injustice are just reflections of our inner selves. we are to blame for sending out the frequencies that were required to be reflected back at us.

so true and may i add that much of the time, we do this on a subconscious level. we constantly send out signals, good or bad, either one creating some type of manifestation,

looking through the rest of your post, i feel like commenting on each segment because of the quality of what you have said, particularly due to the fact that it just resonates well with me. this moment i have decided not to, mainly because i would not want to spoil your words!

whether we like it or not, we are all responsible for the way our life here has been manipulated and controlled. without going off thread, (well i will try!) lets say an et came into our living room now. if that et asked "well you saw these terrible injustices happen, what did you do?" you, i and most other people would have to say, nothing. you speak your truth when you say you do not always buy fair trade goods (good on you for being honest) and the very fact you state in all honesty you turn a blind eye as you are too wrapped up in your own problems, which ultimately adds to the plight of these children who are starving.

in my opinion my friend, you have managed to echo something which is in all of us. you have (and i do hope i have not mis-understood your post in any way) laid bare, by your own admission, your own feelings on some very sensative issues. i do not know whether you spent a long time in writing your post or perhaps the words came out easily; what i can say is this - every now and again i come across a post which speaks to me on a very deep soul level. yours did that.

i thank you again for it and i hope many people will read it and see a reflection of themselves in your words. i know i did.

one final thing to say on this - with knowledge comes great responsibilty, knowing that our thoughts and intentions can change the world. they can change the world for better or for worse. a simple choice to make really, for better or for worse. its simply a matter of choice. we all have the power of thought, just use it wisely.

love, light and peace to you all,

matt

[Ewhaz]

thank you all for your responses!

bobfitz
i understand where your coming from. it's hard to think that some how a person who is hurt is some how responsible for it on some level. it's easy to accept the laws of attraction when some one has good luck or good prosperity, but when some one is hurt or killed we stand up and say 'that's not fair!' . unlike us, the universe is fair, it gives us exactly what we want and need at the time.

it is the illusion of duality that creates our disparaging opinion when we see some one hurt or harmed in some way. through the law of one we realize that these things are neither good nor bad, they just are. our bodies are tangible but temporary. our soul is what exists and is beyond any ability to harm.

so when we see some child sitting in a grotto, bones exposed, crying without tears and sick and nearly dying, it is our ego that jumps into our throats and declares that some thing must be done. it is that same ego that looks for the culprit, who was responsible, who created the system were a child is allowed to suffer and die?

but if we take a step back into the soul, this is just another one of many beautiful experiences by which we learn and grow. in one life time that child may have been a prince who's every wish and desire hand been fulfilled a thousand times over. his every whim fulfilled and now he seeks to round out his experience by using yet another extreme. we can't see the whole picture, so again when we see the seeming injustice we feel that something must be done and that the child couldn't have possibly wanted or allowed it to happen.

it's hard to accept that we are personally responsible for our own situations when something horrible happens. it is our ego that decides weather one situation is better than another. our ego looks at some one winning the lottery and declares 'oh how lucky they are!' and looks at the bum begging for money on the side of the street and goes 'how pitiful' and yet, i have met some happy people in my time and some of them lived off the streets and the good will of others. we are only seeing one side of the story while down here. there are levels within levels. ask yourself, who would you serve if every there were no longer any poor sick or hungry? we who are service to others are indebted to those who require help because they give us the opportunity to experience our path and grow by it. they also help us by reflecting our inner selves back at us, our fears and the dark parts of our souls. so, as you can possibly see, they are not simply victims but part of a greater picture where we are all one soul experiencing the illusion of being separate.

one last idea to help explain this. let's say god stood up one day and out of curiosity he decided to split himself in two. one was god, the other the devil. the devil spat and slapped god in the face, sneered and ridiculed him. god stood there shocked for a moment and then smiled as both merged once again into a single being. "hmm, that was interesting" he said to himself as he walked off into the distance.

now i ask you, who sinned against god? himself? who has sinned against you yourself (who is also god)? is it the illuminati (who is also god)who wishes and has tried to enslave and harm us?

matthew

i still remember the feeling i got when it really clicked that i was responsible for all the wickedness, evil and sorrow in the world. i felt overwhelmed. its hard to come to that conclusion in the midst of 3rd density and not feel overwhelmed.

i would get caught into a loop of thought "life sucks.." then come back with "yea, but i'm the one who put me here." it can be depressing if your not quite ready for it.

so i do what i can and forgive myself when i can't. i forgive myself for not trying hard enough, or being enlightened enough to have the abundance to save those less fortunate or being able to increase my vibration to the point all hatred and malice is washed away from the world in a loving pulse of light. i'm doing the best i can and that's all any one can ever hope to do.

[Enkidu]

we choose our situation prior to incarnation.

the lessons learned by being poor or impoverished are the lessons required for catalytic activation of particular understandings sought by the particular entity.

we choose to experience that which we require so that we might continue moving forward in our soul evolution. whether those lessons are learned or not is a matter of free will, placing ourselves into a situation where we could experience such things was a matter of free will, choosing to stay in the situation or move beyond it is matter of free will.

i was born into a poor family with many brothers and sisters, i lived a life on both sides of the razor. for a time in my life i had more money than i knew what to do with, for a time in my life i was homeless and begging on the streets.

each of these experiences provided needed catalyst in order to solidify particular understandings. once the lesson was learned then the situation no longer offered any unpotentiated energy for me to grow upon, thus i moved into a new situation with a new set of trials.

many great people came from less than ideal circumstances. the only interference is that which you allow into your life. regardless of types of physical interference, there is no way to interfere with the soul that is directed and empowered.

these are my thoughts.

[annecat]

:dear enkidu,

you wrote the words of wisdom, "in the end it is all very simple. just let it go".

we have a free will, thus we are responsible of our own choices,

we have chosen certain events, experiences in our lives prior to our incarnations, and during our incarnation,
the "stars and planets" give us guidelines, possibilities, inclinations,
there is the faith and destiny,
but the are certain currents in our lives, and our world and galaxy,
that are not within our powers,
or in our capacity to understand.

no matter how desperate is the situation, we still have our free will.
we can walk away.

like you enkidu " for a time i have had some money, and even friends, but for a few times i have been homeless without any money or power." and why ?, maybe ,as you wrote

" each of these experiences provided needed catalyst in order to solidify particular understandings. once the lesson was learned then the situation no longer offered any unpotentiated energy for me to grow upon, thus i moved into a new situation with a new set of trials. "

or " regardless of types of physical interference, there is no way to interfere with the soul that is directed and empowered."

thank you,
anne cat

[annecat]

dear ewhaz,

you are a great intellectual man, thoughtful, and wise,
but your words may well be taken as intellectual arrogance.

why do we need to talk about " child sitting in a grotto, bones exposed, crying without tears and sick and nearly dying", or is the life, lives next door so dull, boring and useless,
that we do not even notice it? or is it too close, so close that we might even feel guilty of not doing anything? not acting responsible and spiritual way?

you wrote " in one life time that child may have been a prince who's every wish and desire had been fulfilled a thousand times over. his every whim fulfilled and now he seeks to round out his experience by using yet another extreme."

so, using the same law,
if you are in this life "enlightened soul", "wise, intellectual, gentle",you will seek in your next incarnation in order " to round your experience" to be born in poor, brutal, aggressive family in retarded body in warzone ?

and you asked
" who would you serve if every there were no longer any poor sick or hungry? "

my answer is none. i do not serve myself and i do not serve anyone else.
there is just life.
there is no need to use others as "stepping- stones" in one's enlightenment.

anne (cat)

[annecat]

[quote=ewhaz;


what you see in the world, the evil and the injustice are just reflections of our inner selves. we are to blame for sending out the frequencies that were required to be reflected back at us.]

i do not buy that.
there is no way that you can make me believe that i have created all that i see.
i do not believe in "original sin".

(or if i have created all that "evil", so being "the evil" i should kill myself, and the all evil is gone ? right ? (please,do not try that home!)

~
let me give an example of my own life, what happened the past week.

one and half years ago i moved to this neighbourhood. the lady next door was a single mom with two children like me. they had two cats that they neglected, if negligence is taken as leaving the cats for days outdoors without shelter, food etc. not taking the cats to the vet when needed, putting makeup on cats, treating them as "toys" etc.

during the first week, the lady next door said, that the people who lived in our house before us used to feed their other cat. so, we took it us a hint to do the same.

so, we fed both their cats every day for one and half years, they slept on our beds, there was always a window open for them to come in 24hours, and when the lady next door did not want to waste her little money on vet, when one of her cats hurt its leg, i volunteered to pay the vet feed and took the cat to the vet.

then came the day that they had to move out. my children heartbroken, when they took the first cat. the other cat was good at hiding, until last sunday she came out of our house, and they managed to get him from his tail.

i asked them nicely and politely to take good care of the cats, feed them as we had done for past 18 months, and not to leave them out in the rain for days.

so, was it my inner "evil self" that was reflected back to me,
when the very next day i was twice attacked by my ex neighbour calling me
"evil woman, sly and thief " ?

what was my crime ? thought of planning to keep the cats?

i did not say even one word, and i did not even look back when she ran after me calling all those names, shouting to the world my "evil self". (in the end i had to talk to the policeofficer.)

~
ewhaz, i do honestly believe that at times we can act as mirrors to others.

i hold the mirror to my neighbour, she saw herself, and in fear of her own image, she attacked me, not being responsible...it is part of cleansing process, life.

anne (cat)

[renegadeloser]

you live in a world where one can easily live a life of luxury and lavishness in this country. this is a direct effect of the exploitation of the starving children, men and women, in the third world, that represent 1/5th of out population. we live in a world where if one of these countries refuse to play along with these corporations game plan's, their leaders are assassinated by the cia. all of this culminates so that a few wealthy men can control the world, and you can shop at walmart, sip lattes at starbucks. own a car a house multiple t.v.'s and just about any form of material pleasure you can think of. don't you think it's possible that your higher self chose this life as a catalyst for foregoing you egoic desires, looking past the world directly infront of your eyes and gazing at the picture. then to make the decision to fulfill your deepest desire and serve others.