What nutrition style do you have?

[Understanding]

currently i am on a 70 percent raw food diet. i do consume meat for proteins, i am still reseraching and up to any sort of modifaction if nessacry. right now i am using flax seed in my morning fruit shake i grind up the seeds in a coffee grinder mix it in my juices. i try to eat garlic as much as possible...this diet has me feeling less bloated i am passing stools at least 4-5 times a day my skin looks refreshed i have more neergy, no more naps around 3:30 p.m, plus i am looking even younger if that is possible.

[billybobbutterball]

sorry, me again... beginning to feel like an old dog worrying away at a bone.

i was tracking down some food info and stumbled across very good summary of basic protein sources which examined the pros and cons of meats, soy, whey/dairy, egg and vegan. anyone taking nutrition seriously should find it most helpful.

http://www.nutribodyprotein.com/protein-types.php

i was glad to see that my use of rice and yellow pea isolates, along with chlorella and spirulina as my main protein sources seems a near optimum choice...

a couple of weeks ago i watched the old classic movie, "land of the pharaohs". backing up the main characters were thousands of egyptian extras. what struck me was that virtually all the soldiers looked like they came out of the same mold...slender and muscle-less to the point of being emaciated.

the dr's eades (of 'protein power' fame) did a study on findings concerning the state of health of ancient egyptians by forensic examination of their skeletal remains....the ancients --who existed on a basically vegetable diet (one that would be hailed as a healthy choice today) exhibited obvious signs of rampant tooth decay and skeletal malformation....which was taken as evidence of long-term protein deficiency.

if one is a vegetarian or vegan it would seem a smart choice to select the right balance of food stuff to pull it off successfully.

it has been mentioned that many holy men were veg/vegans.

true.

but so was adolph hitler -- who was a teetotaler and vegetarian; he was a physical and mental wreck when he suicided at 56... yogananda ( who authored the wonderful, "autobiography of a yogi", passed away all too soon at 59.

true, i may be a physical and mental wreck -- but i've lasted an extra two decades.

best bbb.

[Amber]

i was a vegetarian for about eight years, no meat, no milk, but eggs and fish were okay. i felt cleansed, mentally alert, but i needed more protein. nowadays i do not eat red meat, and have not for about nine years. even though i believe in a balanced diet, my diet lacks enough fresh fruit. organic foods are the way to go; avoid genetically modified foods. unfortunately, most corn is gm and also soy!
i agree with those posting that one's intention determines how to eat.
i am an animal lover who raises small animals. these little ones have much sensitivity. they form relationships and they communicate. what must the larger animals feel?

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amber

fyi: if you eat fish you are not a vegetarian. if you eat cheese, egg and milk you are a lactovegetarian. if you exclude all this including meat of course you are a vegan.

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[rose star]

i believe in the vegetarian diet. i believe all animals are intelligent and have feelings. i know there are some people who can talk with animals now. they know what the animals are thinking and feeling. as we progress to the 4d, i believe with the added dna that we will have united, more of us will have this animal telepathy as well as the human telepathy.

what will happen when more people then can hear the animals thoughts and feelings and fears and joys? will this awaken people to their suffering, to their mass killing in the billions? what happens when people can hear and communicate with fish, shrimp, clams too? we often look down on these animals because we think they have no feelings or intelligence.but what happens when we find out they do and we can talk to them? some people can talk to plants and trees too.

what will happen when people can talk and hear the earth speak as well, and her wish to stop all killing on her planet earth?

when you have compassion in your heart and sympathy and can hear the suffering of animals we will then want to choose the vegatarian diet.

for me service to others means all others in this universe; humans, animals, plants, earth, and other life forms.

when our governments are free of negative people in charge of the corporations and laws, i believe we will see an abundance of new fresh organic fruit and vegatables on the market.
ever wonder why there are so few foods to eat in our stores?

i see the future earth as an abundance of veg produce, like 20 kinds of organic tomatos in all clolors and shapes such as yellow, orange, red, purple, black, stripped.
now they are called heirloom fruit and they are hard to find anyone growing or selling them.if you are lucky to find a farmers market and find them. not sold in the mass food stores.
how about 20 kinds of apples, and pears, and peppers, and everything else?
this abundance of fresh organic produce will help make it easier for people in our near future to be vegetarian.

the negative people in charge now have stopped this high vibration food from reaching the masses but when these people are gone and new service to other people are in charge,
i believe these kinds of food will be easy to find and eat and shared with all people on our planet. there will be no need to use the animals for food any longer.

[docholiday]

but so was adolph hitler -- who was a teetotaler and vegetarian; he was a physical and mental wreck when he suicided at 56... yogananda ( who authored the wonderful, "autobiography of a yogi", passed away all too soon at 59

bbb

i respect your knowledge base - but my man - i have to call you out on the yogananda reference. i do not mean to sound condensending - rather my intent is to respectfully add clarity. to imply that somehow the master's death was in any way attributable to a being a vegan is ... well - grossly inaccurate. if he was a master, and by even casual study of his life one would have to conclude that he was, then by definition his consciousness was beyond 3d laws.

as i understand it - masters such as yogananda serve as a catalytic reflection intended to efficiently move others toward harvest.

re his death from wikipedia:
. in the days leading up to his death, he began hinting that it was time for him to leave the world.[16] on march 7, 1952, he attended a dinner for the visiting indian ambassador to the u.s., binay ranjan sen, and his wife at the biltmore hotel in los angeles."[18] according to two eyewitnesses—long-time disciples swami kriyananda and daya mata—as yogananda ended his speech, he read from his poem my india, concluding with the words "where ganges, woods, himalayan caves, and men dream god—i am hallowed; my body touched that sod".[17][19] at the very last words, he slid to the floor,[17] dead from a heart attack.[20] kriyananda wrote that yogananda had once stated in a lecture, "a heart attack is the easiest way to die. that is how i choose to die."[17] yogananda is buried at the forest lawn memorial park in glendale, california.

as reported in time magazine on august 4, 1952, harry t. rowe, los angeles mortuary director of the forest lawn memorial park cemetery in glendale, california where yogananda's body was embalmed,[28][29] stated in a notarized letter:

the absence of any visual signs of decay in the dead body of paramahansa yogananda offers the most extraordinary case in our experience.... no physical disintegration was visible in his body even twenty days after death.... no indication of mold was visible on his skin, and no visible drying up took place in the bodily tissues. this state of perfect preservation of a body is, so far as we know from mortuary annals, an unparalleled one.... no odor of decay emanated from his body at any time....

i respect that you that you were trying to make a point with the reference - but as a srf member i have to call you out regarding the one i call master..

peace

luke

[billybobbutterball]

my dear doctor holiday...

you are absolutely right about paramahansa yogananda ...and i was wondering if anyone was actually reading my postings by witnessing such a calumny going so long unchallenged. thank you!

i read the "autobiography of a yogi" about forty years, and i was most taken by his person, works and message. but i was taken aback a bit concerning his transformation from a slender, most handsome personage of his youth, unto an obviously overly rotund maturity.

so... it was a gambit -- too much a temptation to resist since saints and yogananda in particular were offered as examples of the spiritual and health giving virtues of the veggie path...( i take it you don't take any offense in my using adolph hitler as an example?)

ah! the spiritual life of a yogi! i tried and failed attempting it myself... i was a foundering student going on the gi bill to the university of colorado, boulder. nothing was going well. i had a horrible case of writer's block...one sentance an hour kind of thing...

i was starving...i had brought about fifteen lbs of hoffman's high protein powder to empower my meals. high protein powder in those days was merely ground soybeans; the taste was, ugh! ghastly! ( for years afterwards the slightest thought of it caused my memory to relieve the horrible taste and smell. of that so overly gross putridity... it met its well deserved fate in filling up the trash can -- better that than my stomach!)

i needed to save money so i could eat once again...my camel cigarette smoking had to go!

i was reading patanjali's little book on yoga sudra's when the impulse came to me...i slung on my pack, rolled up the army surplus sleeping bag, then hitched a ride up clear creek canyon into the front range of the rocky mountains....i took no cigarettes and planned to do yogi stuff in the primeval wilderness...

the first night was interrupted by the sound of a timber rattlesnake slithering across my hooded bag...the frightening sound became louder and louder until i could stand it no longer! desperate, i grasped for the handle of my razor sharp machete stuck in the bole of a lone pine just behind my head....i missed! however, the snake had escaped ... but after thinking it over i discovered the sound was made by my anxious eyelashes flittering across the inside of the closed bag.

well, one can never be too careful. that morning i decided to go exploring up the castellated rocky ridge of a mountain across the valley...i got high-up when dark clouds arrived and dampness came in dribbles...i kept climbing, but wondered about a tickling sensation in my scalp... lighting flashed far away on a sister peak soon followed by a crack of doom!..i got the heck out of there -- somehow i safely stumbled my way down a slippery grass slope.

the next day i went exploring a creek. i found an old abandoned mine shack. i went inside, saw a part of the flooring sticking up. i pulled up the board and uncovered a virtual treasure! there it was! a gift from above! a cigarette!! how could i turn it down? i put it to my trembling lips and struck a match. but as soon as the flame encountered the cig. there came a sudden flash as the fire devoured the paper tube in one tremendous flare of instant consumption. not a wisp of smoke reached my needy lungs.

i packed up my gear and hiked down to st mary's glacier road. i got a lift, i asked the driver if he had a spare cigarette...any brand would do....i failed that test...but twenty years later i ran into yogananda.

i aplogize! bbb

[docholiday]

read the "autobiography of a yogi" about forty years, and i was most taken by his person, works and message. but i was taken aback a bit concerning his transformation from a slender, most handsome personage of his youth, unto an obviously overly rotund maturity.

so... it was a gambit -- too much a temptation to resist since saints and yogananda in particular were offered as examples of the spiritual and health giving virtues of the veggie path...( i take it you don't take any offense in my using adolph hitler as an example?)

hello bbb

in response to the above comments:

re: yogananda's body transformation from a very thin youth to a full figured adult

. seeing as you have read his classic autobiography then what is to follow will simply be a humble reminder:
yogananda's guru, swami sri yuketeshwar, decided that yogananda's thin build did not match his future mission - so he simply bestowed upon him the blessing of a fuller figure in order to enhance the completion of his mission in the west. in other words, his body was not the result of being unable to control sensual appetites (a true oxymoron when discussing masters) but was literally morphed into the full figure in a matter of a few weeks.

an excerpt from the aboy...

one afternoon during my early months at the ashram, found sri yukteswar’s eyes fixed on me piercingly.

“you are too thin, mukunda.”

his remark struck a sensitive point. that my sunken eyes and emaciated appearance were far from my liking was testified to by rows of tonics in my room at calcutta. nothing availed; chronic dyspepsia had pursued me since childhood. my despair reached an occasional zenith when i asked myself if it were worth-while to carry on this life with a body so unsound.

“medicines have limitations; the creative life-force has none. believe that: you shall be well and strong.”

sri yukteswar’s words aroused a conviction of personally-applicable truth which no other healer—and i had tried many!—had been able to summon within me.

day by day, behold! i waxed. two weeks after master’s hidden blessing, i had accumulated the invigorating weight which eluded me in the past. my persistent stomach ailments vanished with a lifelong permanency.

in regards to hitler's vegetarianism being a component of his senility and early death: i did not respond secondary to not having a strong knowledge base regarding his life - but truth be told - i don't find the hitler reference offensive - but i do find it equally absurd .

as i understand it, hitler was committed to the service to self path and was a deeply disturbed and mentally ill human being - whose psychosis only intensified as the war progressed - culminating in his suicide.

bbb, i do not mean to challenge you - but do you really think vegetarianism played any part in his death or psychosis? also how many key positive historical vegetarian icons do you think i could name?


( by the way and perhaps more importantly - cwg points out that the hitler experience is crucial to understanding the cosmology of the universe. ndw states - the real horror of the hitler holocaust was not that hitler came along - but that so many went along. he follows this up with the most controversial statement is his epic trilogy by saying: hitler went to heaven - now there is conversation starter . (of course the loo goes into greater detail on the afterlife of the hitler soul)


peace my friend

luke

http://www.ananda.org/autobiography/.../giri_bala.jpg

[docholiday]

i actually went on a 21 day water fast.

hello mikeypb1

wow! you actually did that - i must say that is incredible!!!! could you elaborate on you experience? and what were your feelings towards the end? did you work during this time? did you do this at home or a retreat?

peace luke

[billybobbutterball]

seems that billy bob has got himself all turned around by being painted as a rabid, anti- veggie/vegan foe. truth is -- except for a couple of raw eggs and 1/3rd lb of grass-raised bison a week -- (the vegetarian george bernard shaw took liver capsules...excusing his lapse by counting it medicine) and counting my eggs and bison as medicine i'm about the most veggie guy on my block!...i seldom eat any grains/bread...and except for carrots i don't eat root vegetables. my staples are raw bok choy, asparagus, cauliflower, broccoli, brussels sprouts.

i use a couple of organic apples a day, some blueberries, cranberries, and lemon. my raw protein is enzymatic-ally processed from brown rice and yellow peas, with those two i add a special stabilized super rice bran along with chlorella and spirulina. i take a variety of supplements to cover base....among them is the methyl form of vitamin b-12 ....which next to certain minerals is the most critical missing nutrient in most veggie/vegetarian's diet.

if you are inclined to attempt a vegan lifestyle you need to check out and study the advice available on the following link.

http://www.drbass.com/

(some samples out of many from dr. bass's vast research.)

super nutrition - vegetarian
three generations of vegetarian hygienists
these children, the skeletal development wasn't right, the dental arches were not well-formed, teeth came in crowded - click here

in search of the ultimate diet
i put a group of mice on a fruitarian diet. but they didn't seem to be eating very much fruit, and they certainly weren't crazy about it - after a short period of time the mice became cannibilistic...fruitarians beware!

the ideal 100% raw diet

my (dr. bass) aim here was to try to find a diet of 100% raw foods that mice and equally humans could live on, with all the factors needed for excellent health - etc.

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concerning yogananda... non-ashram sources classified him as obese plus suffering from longstanding health issues. but that could be mere slander or sour grapes. i'll give him a pass....note: becoming fat is not always a simple issue of calories. all of my life i have had to battle yo-yo-ing weight. ten years ago strategies i had used in the past stopped working and i ballooned up to 260lbs. i made some radical changes and dropped 90lbs. but now, once again, i have to take off fat....but this time a mere 15 or 20 lbs ( gained this while sitting around watching a broken ankle heal and indulging in seemingly innocent amounts of comfort food.)

about adolph hitler and his vegetarianism. according to some retro-analysis he suffered from symptoms resembling those often attending long-term deficiency of b-12 ,

symptoms and damage from deficiency

main article: vitamin b12 deficiency
vitamin b12 deficiency can potentially cause severe and irreversible damage, especially to the brain and nervous system. at levels only slightly lower than normal, a range of symptoms such as fatigue, depression, and poor memory may be experienced.[25] however, these symptoms by themselves are too nonspecific to diagnose deficiency of the vitamin.

vitamin b12 deficiency can also cause symptoms of mania and psychosis.[26][27]

vitamin b12 deficiency has the following pathomorphology and symptoms:[28]

pathomorphology includes: a spongiform state of neural tissue along with edema of fibers and deficiency of tissue. the myelin decays, along with axial fiber. in later phases, fibric sclerosis of nervous tissues occurs. those changes apply to dorsal parts of the spinal cord, and to pyramidal tracts in lateral cords. the pathophysiologic state of the spinal cord is called subacute combined degeneration of spinal cord.

in the brain itself, changes are less severe: they occur as small sources of nervous fibers decay and accumulation of astrocytes, usually subcortically located, an also round hemorrhages with a torus of glial cells. pathological changes can be noticed as well in the posterior roots of the cord and, to lesser extent, in peripheral nerves.


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hey! a couple of apples a day, ok...but soy? better stay far away! just teasing, but do google researchers fallon and enig

declaring a one-sided truce i'm throwing in the diet towel....best, etc...bbb:d