What nutrition style do you have?

[Jadde44]

does the law of one say anything about eating animals? i have been a vegetarian for almost two years now and i am pondering on going back to eating meat. the reason i stopped eating meat was because i wanted to cause the least harm possible. i feel we kill plants too. is it a service to self action to eat animals to live? i want to cause the least harm possible and reach enlightment. i know even jesus fished, buddha ate meat and they are two great examples. but moving into this new dimension of love should we eat meat and kill animals? or should we just eat plants which do not feel pain and do not have a nervous system?

[Kranos]

to me, eating meat is not a sts action. were doing nothing more eating something like a cheese burger than eating a garden salad. we are just eating to survive. getting what we need in order for our bodies to work properly and not break down on us.

maby the animals need to be killed and eaten in order to progress in 2d.

[KassandraLoves]

i feel that your intentions speak volumes about any actions you take, even when selecting your foods. the fact that you truly want to cause no harm and that you are only eating for sustainence means that you are on the right path in my opinion.

if you were going out and mutilating, deisrespecting, or just plain not apprecaiting the animal you are consuming, then maybe you'd need to rethink it. but, youre not....

oh and i do believe that a lot of native american and aboriginal tribes were very respectful of the animals they ate. rituals were created to give thanks to that animal for offering itself as food and all parts were used as to make the most of that animals body.

maybe you could study the thanksgiving rituals or prayers and create your own form of thanks before you eat such a meal? it may help you spiritually, it may not. just an idea, though

[Mikazo]

david wilcock reported being a meat eater, citing the ineffectiveness of vegetarianism to meet specific nutritional needs. a lot of people do need meat in their diet. if you're one of these people, you may want to consider the possibility that the animals know on some level why they are here, and that they too may have elected to do a service to humanity.

i guess the best thing we can do to honor the animals is eat meat when we need it, and not have two or three sirloin steaks every night to fill some emotional hunger.

[wintersun]

just to point out.. did you see my recent topic on visions? and do you know when they started to look like visions? try and guess

yes, after i stopped eating meat! coincidence? i don't think so. i think i really cleansed my astral body by making that move, and believe it or not, it's only a month since i become a vegetarian! it helped my body finally start using its full potential.

so it definetly is not the same.

now, another reason. animals are more spiritualy evolved than plants, therefore, they couse more bad karma! so its like choosing the lesser evil, since we can't be karmicaly uninvolved.

however, there is a theory that plants are meant to be eaten, and therefore like to be eaten, since, believe it or not, it is their lives purpose . grass likes to be walked on, so does apple likes to be eaten, and david mentions that in one of his recent audioblogs.

so, there you have it. hope this helps.

oh another point.. some guy once said:

the animals are my friends, and i don't eat my friends.

[3D Sunset]

hi jadde44,

here are some pertinent quotes from the law of one regarding food.

law of one book i, session 18
questioner: are there any foods that are helpful or harmful that the instrument might eat?

ra: i am ra. this instrument has body complex distortion towards ill health in the distortion direction corrected best by ingestion of the foodstuffs of your grains and your vegetables, as you call them. however, this is extremely unimportant when regarded as an aid with equality to other aids such as attitude which this instrument has in abundance. it, however, aids the vital energies of this instrument, with less distortion towards ill health, to ingest foodstuffs in the above manner with the occasional ingestion of what you call your meats, due to the instrument’s need to lessen the distortion towards low vital energy.

{later in the same session}

questioner: i just have two little questions here at the end. the instrument wanted to ask if there were any other substances, foods, etc. that she should not eat or dring or things that she should not do because she does not wish to have poor contact for any reason.

ra: i am ra. there is no activity which this instrument engages in which affects abilities negatively. there is one activity which affects its abilities positively. this is the sexual activity, as you would call it. there are substances ingested which do not aid the individual in the service it has chosen, this being that which you would call the marijuana. this is due to the distortion towards chemical lapses within the mind complex causing lack of synaptic continuity. this is a chemical reaction of short duration. this instrument, however, has not used this particular substance at any time while performing this service. we believe we have covered the use of such chemical agents as lsd, this being positive to a certain extent due to the energizing or speeding up of the vital forces. however, it is not recommended for this instrument due to the toll it takes upon the vital energies once the substance wears off. this being true of any speeding-up chemical.

also:

law of one book ii, session 40
questioner: in dietary matters, what would be the foods that one would include and what would be the foods that one would exclude in a general way for the greatest care of one’s bodily complex?

ra: i am ra. firstly, we underline and emphasize that this information is not to be understood literally but as a link or psychological nudge for the body and the mind and spirit. thus it is the care and respect for the self that is the true thing of importance. in this light we may iterate the basic information given for this instrument’s diet. the vegetables, the fruits, the grains, and to the extent necessary for the individual metabolism, the animal products. these are those substances showing respect for the self. in addition, though this has not been mentioned for this instrument is not in need of purification, those entities in need of purging the self of a poison thought-form or emotion complex do well to take care in following a program of careful fasting until the destructive thought-form has been purged analogously with the by-products of ridding the physical vehicle of excess material. again you see the value not to the body complex but used as a link for the mind and spirit. thus self reveals self to self.

so it would appear that according to the law of one, what is most important is your attitude and supporting environment. it is certainly not considered sts to ingest meat, but it is also suggested to be done in moderation according to the discernment and need of the individual.

hope that helps,

3d sunset

[Deambor]

hi, jadde.

i was a heavy meat eater for all my life, but about... well, about 13 or so years ago i simply lost the desire for it. i'm often asked why? i'm not sure myself. it particularly strikes others when they see me cooking meat, which i do on ocasion and have no problem with it.
i think the real reason is thast i hate when things get stuck in my teeth , which is very true - it drives me crazy.

since then i have read that meat eating is associated with heavier energy, and as long as a person needs this energy - they will crave it. once the cravings or desire is gone - a person doesn't need that type of energy any more.
i know some people vegetarians for 10 year and then they suddenly go back to meat eating. it's what ever energy you need at this particular moment. that, of course, is one view only.

funny thing - recently i lost the desire for bread. not sure whast that means.

love to you and good luck.

[checkmate]

i think it is an individual choice. i see no harm in eating meat as it is necessary to provide a well balanced diet. there is still so much we don't know about what our bodies need to perform to their maximum capacity.

i've always been drawn to the elements, the air is my friend yet i still breathe it. it comes down to what is comfortable for you.

as far as having visions, i have them also, but i'm not a vegetarian, although i have been in the past.

i think the important point is moderation and to obtain the purest foods we possibly can to aid our bodies to perform to their maximum capacity. jmho

[wintersun]

david wilcock reported being a meat eater, citing the ineffectiveness of vegetarianism to meet specific nutritional needs.

ok now, this is not completely true! he had to consume meat at one time cos he had some serious work to do at the time, as there was no other way he could get regain the necessary energy.

david moved to louisville, kentucky in february 2003 to join forces with jim and carla, the two surviving members of the law of one contact. he was soon followed by fellow members vara in march and gary in late april. david reliably paid 601 dollars monthly rent, shopped for the group’s food on friday night and cooked the group’s food for the entire week all day saturday (with fellow member vara, who also did all the bookkeeping). david also regularly performed a variety of skilled labor tasks, including a complete remodeling of the basement, creating three new bedrooms and a large laundry room, under the direction and partnership of fellow l/l member bruce, also known as lonebear, who moved in as of december. gary also provided assistance in construction.

this remodeling process proved to be the most grueling physical labor david would ever perform. he literally worked from the time he woke up to the time he went to bed every day, stopping only to take paid clients, cook group food all day saturday and attend group meetings on sunday. he began eating regular animal protein again to support his physical body’s muscular exertion, and discovered that his particular blood type really benefited from it - thus he allowed limited types of organic meat back in after a seven-year stint of severely disciplined vegan dieting. (sorry to our dedicated vegetarians out there… some people can do it and some can’t.)

here's a quote from the archive:

dw: let's not forget that non-organic produce has many pesticides and contaminants that significantly increase the risks to health and decrease any perceived benefits.

overall my diet is quite strict and repetitive (sabrina hates this about me) but it suits me well. of course we start with the no's. no white flour (and now no flour of any kind, due to my sensitive system,) no refined sugar (now i'm actually avoiding all sweeteners, period, except for the occasional glass of rice milk,) no meat except fish, (and especially no red meat,) no dairy whatsoever, (if you must have eggs only do the yolks,) no white rice, (same effect as white flour,) no msg (which is so cleverly hidden with names like "natural flavor" that you basically don't buy anything prepackaged unless it is from an established health food store and is labeled as clean,) no fried foodand no preservatives. now by this point most do not think that there is much left to work with.

what i have every day, based on a constant interchange with the readings, is as follows: two or three huge glasses of water after awakening. wait 45 minutes. cooked millet grains forbreakfast (a complete protein.) wait two and a half hours, drink two or three glasses of water, wait30-45 minutes, thenmixed greens salad with garbanzo beans, shredded carrots, avocado, olives, extra-virgin olive oil, lemon juice and tamari for lunch. wait two and a half hours, drink two or three glasses of water, wait 45 minutes,and steamed dark greens for dinner, again with lemon juice, olive oil and tamari - usually a half onion, cabbage and broccoli included - always organic and never inorganic. if required for energy, i.e. if energy is too low, then baked fish can also be a part of lunch or dinner - although from a digestive standpoint it seems to work much better with cooked greens as opposed to raw salad greens. i do have the occasional unsalted brown rice cakes with almond butter for the in-between periods of water and meals - i.e. after water cycles but before meal cycles, or after meals but before water.

two hours after dinner you can have your in-season fruit, remembering that the really sugary ones do more harm than good, such as the bananas, pineapples, mangoes, et cetera. apples should only be eaten as cooked unless you're on a cleansing diet, oranges and citrus are doable, pears are ok at this time of year, melons of all kinds always good, papaya is fine, but again make sure it is organic. if the fruit is one where it needs to be peeled to eat, there is less danger of buying inorganic if your only other choice is starvation. citrus fruits should only be had by themselves and not with other fruits, and if you are a blood type o you are allergic to strawberries.

food combinations catch a lot of people. if you are going to have fish on this diet, you cannot blend it with carbohydrates (grains) in the same meal. you should never combine fruits and vegetables in the same meal. if for some reason you feel you must have dairy, it should only be had by itself - nothing before or after. also important is the water cycle. minimum of 30 minutes without significant water intake before a meal, minimum of two hours without any significant water intake after a meal. the reason is that it rinses away digestive enzymes and you end up with a lot of undigested debris stuck in your colon, which is not fun or healthy. also, you don't end up digesting the food and your body gets weak. the only exception to the water cycle is that you can drink water only 30 minutes after eating fruit, due to the speedy digestion that ensues (unless it is dried fruit - but that can have molds that again are very bad for you.) using enzyme supplements isextremely highly suggested.

going out to eat? don't do it too often (twice a week is plenty) and stick to either health-food store cafe's if possible, or chinese restaurants, hold the rice and the msg. (many sauces have sugar in them as well.) you can find your way around an indian restaurant fairly well, though many dishes have some form of dairy and / or may be uncomfortably spicy (which is detrimental to the body above a certain point.) should you be forced to go to a more mainstream restaurant, tell them that you have "special needs" and you would like the baked fish entree, without butter, and the lightly steamed vegetables on the side, without butter. ask for water only with your meal and don't drink any of it. then pray to god that you'll make it home without a coronary for your obsessive-compulsive behavior with the waitress, your guests and yourself. it's often better just to stay home.

- david wilcock

[wintersun]

as far as having visions, i have them also, but i'm not a vegetarian, although i have been in the past.

yap, but these are kinda self initiated. until now i never was able to make them happen at will. now, it's like i have the necessary means to make them happen! i'll update my thread later so you will know what i mean.