Are ghosts from another density?

[danny59]

hello kassandra, i'm not an expert, but i absolutely agree with your theory. i've been researching ghosts, spirits, the other side if you will for too many years to count, and your thinking is along the same lines that i've come to believe to be true. i know the only way we'll know for sure is by entering another plane. as much as our scientific instruments have improved, and made it easier to detect anomalies, they still can't explain everything. your study of the paranormal that led you to your spirituality is exactly how it happened with me. now i'm consumed with the topic. i've been watching a great show on the biography channel on sunday nights called, i survived, beyond and back, and i think listening to people that have actually experienced physical death is the most intriguing way to understanding what it's like in another dimension, i love it!

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

most of us here started on the paranormal path and ended up on the spiritual one.
i've been beyond and back :d but hardly think anything worthy of that experience.
our scientific instruments have not proven anything... for something to be proven existent, one must observe it coming from and out of existence. ^^ even if you are travelling along side your subject and are also jumping from one plane of existence into the next you are not able to observe it come out of existence for you would have to be on both sides of the source field/force to observe such an event. and even then not even ra (a 6th density being living in the source field/force) is able tell us of what happens when we come out of existence in the source field/force and into the loop of re-existence (the big bang if you wanna call it that) but only that everything starts and ends in mystery!

love and light,
ra ma

ps: welcome to the forum danny!

hello kassandra, i'm not an expert, but i absolutely agree with your theory. i've been researching ghosts, spirits, the other side if you will for too many years to count, and your thinking is along the same lines that i've come to believe to be true. i know the only way we'll know for sure is by entering another plane. as much as our scientific instruments have improved, and made it easier to detect anomalies, they still can't explain everything. your study of the paranormal that led you to your spirituality is exactly how it happened with me. now i'm consumed with the topic. i've been watching a great show on the biography channel on sunday nights called, i survived, beyond and back, and i think listening to people that have actually experienced physical death is the most intriguing way to understanding what it's like in another dimension, i love it!

[H20]

sometimes i feel that ghosts are from another density. however, i think when we see ghosts it's somewhat of a similarity to the harvest. what i mean by that is when we go from 3d to 4d their are some people who don't transcend and others that do. when those who aren't ready to go to 4d go to an alternate sphere (as the loo speaks of) to play out reality, maybe the people who make the conscious leap to 4d are seen by 3d remnants as ghosts. maybe the time it takes to make the transition, were seen popping in and out of 3d existence. those going to 4d may not even be aware this is happening because of the higher consciousness taking over their senses, but to a 3d person, they formulate space and time in a way that distorts their understanding of whats happening all around them. i mean maybe when we see ghosts now, were really seeing someone in the process of changing to a new sphere, new density, or in limbo awaiting the harvest to come. i don't know. does that make sense?

[skyboy]

can someone help me with this. i am not sure if this is the right thread to post it to but if not, maybe the moderators can direct it to where it needs to go.

i am confused with all this. ghosts, spirits, guides. i watch a program that tells the personal experiences of people who have died and come back. pretty much, everyone is brought into a light that is 20xs more bright than the sun. although they may have different ways in which they get to this light, they are always "guided" by someone, either a deceased family member or someone unknown, but yet all who radiate a sense of welcoming, safety and protection. this isn't a voice they hear in their head or a vision, it is a real physical being, "separate" from the person who has died. within the light, they experience an incredible sense of love, deep and so powerful that they feel as if they are part of it and that they are home. at this point, they are usually told certain things, but mostly, that it is not their time and shortly afterward, are "returned" to their body.

i am spiritual in nature, was born that way, with a sense of connection to everything. i have constantly sought to deepen my spiritual advancement in many different ways. i believe that this realm does exist and works to help "us" through this life and the journeys we experience. i often "look" for clues, signs...anything that might tell me that i am on the right path.

my question is, why is it so difficult to "converse" with these spirits or guides? if i am requesting their help, why can't they just appear and talk it out with me. it wouldn't violate my free will as i am requesting their help. they could possibly suggest something to me that i may not have thought of that might improve my spiritual path and in turn, help me in my process to help others. the idea that this is "our" journey and so we must make all the decisions on our own is fine. but why do i have to 'educate' myself to these decisions on my own? i think education and teachers are important because they provide information that let's us see things that otherwise we might not see. if all i ever learn is that which is around me, then i have lost out on everything else the world has to offer. yet, this seems to be the way it works. i do not have 'direct' access to my guides or spirits that are acting on my behalf and have to guess, through symbolism, like seeing 11:11 or a dream interpretation that i may be on the right tract. how much more could i develop if a spirit guide could manifest in front of me and have a one to one conversation. ultimately, it would have to be my choice to decide what i would do with the information i received.

i am not sure about all the densities and what happens when one goes from one to another, but in this show, when people die, some part of themselves, exits out of the body and begins this spiritual journey.when they go back, they re-enter the body. some part of us, within our body, can and does have the ability to access and communicate within these higher realms. then why, can we not access this ability while we are in our body.

to be clear, this is not a religious question. call them spiritual guides, advanced aliens here to help us...i really do not care. i believe they exist no matter how you wish to interpret them. my question is one of higher density connection. i would like to know if anyone knows why we cannot access these higher densities more directly while in this density or, if we can, and it is that i just don't know how to do it.

i feel like i am at school and, just on the other side of a door, is the teacher and the all the lessons i could ever want to learn, but no matter what i try, i cannot open the door. meanwhile, i look through the door's little window to see bits and pieces of the lessons exposed and try to interpret what it means.

thanks for all insights...

[Apophis]

skyboy i can relate to this post quite a bit, it sounds like me about 10-12 years ago. so i'll try to describe where i'm at now and maybe it will help you to see where to go from here.

everything you've included in here has relevance to the same question, what are we beside this meat suit, and even before these memories. it's a good question, and one that has puzzled anyone who has every walked on earth. the answer has truly been found within your own evidence.

let us string a few things together. as you've said everyone who has come back describes what they saw and experienced, and is able to tell similar details, mainly including the awareness remembering being outside of the body. you ask to speak with spirit that can manifest a body and converse or aid. the link is realizing that every point of awareness is simultaneously experiencing. thus the awareness which remembers being outside of the body is the same as the awareness reading this, and the same as that awareness you seek. you may not have the ability in your awareness's experience to remember another point of awareness's experiences, yet you can perceive just as they could. what i am really saying is those experiences need a physical body in any means weather grown from seed or instantly manifested out of cosmic material. they are all awareness experiencing. if you can see that another person living has a point of awareness experiencing then you will be able to interact with that awareness as awareness. truly you seek to find yourself so you look within, what am i? the balance is in another age defining question, what is that? when the two have given the same answer then truly, unity has been found.

for many years i looked into these very questions, what am i and who are they. it's lead me into amazing places, and now there is no room denying life. it's a mixture of them and i, we are one. this is the vision of my experience of awareness. and without meeting me or even knowing if i am a person or not, there is a message for you, materialized out of thin air!

fear not life, and it will shall not fear you.

-apophis

[skyboy]

thank you apophis. i really appreciate your response, although admittedly, i will have to chew on it a bit to fully digest what i think you have presented here. i am showing my ignorance here but in the spirit of becoming more aware of my awareness that is awareness experiencing itself as me, when you say " they are all awareness experiencing," ultimately, who or what awareness is experiencing? when you say " it's a mixture of them and i, we are one," what is it that we are one of? are we manifestations of an ultimate being's awareness that act like singular pictures but are, in fact, connected and together make up a theme or experience, much like the process of our own brain activity? and finally, is there any real purpose, at least on my awareness level, to know any of this? when i say "real", i mean does it matter. if i am just a manifestation of awareness experiencing itself, then what, if any, need do i have to 'know' about something of which i really have no control over. awareness will continue its experience whether i am a 'knowing' participant or not, right? is there some benefit that the ultimate awareness receives if i participate in the process? and, if so, then might others, such as yourself, who are more aware of the process, be beneficial in obtaining the experiences awareness through me wants to experience?

i know i have asked a lot of questions, but you offered such an illuminating insight, i wasn't sure what to do with it all. thank you again for opening up a whole new can of worms for the awareness that is experiencing itself as me. very exciting to know that my awareness, expressed as you, is very smart!

- skyboy

[thephoenix11]

Hello, I am a new member. The experience I had was when I went downstate to stay with my ailing mother. I was sleeping in the living room when I awoke to hearing echoing footsteps going up and down the hallway going towards my mom and brother's rooms. This went on for several times that night. I then heard it in the dining room like it sat down into one of the dining chairs and it let out a long sigh. I think that it was my dad worrying about my mom and, also, my dad had passed away in that same room, same table, years before. Well, no one believed me when I told them about it the following day. That night my brother heard the same thing. The third night, my brother slept out on the couch and I was in my sleepingbag on the floor. When he turned out the lights in the livingroom, I saw three large shadows stand up from behind me. The street light was shining in the room and I am not lying I saw their shadows on the wall in front of me like they just stood up. I got up and went into the kitchen and said the Lord's Prayer and I said that if this was you dad, please stop it because you are scaring us. We didn't hear no more after that. My mom passed away the following year.

[EcyaC]

Hello, I am a new member...

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!

I believe to be a ghost is to be what you were before being born into this dense, emotionally-heavy, density. I think the reason I've never seen, or sensed, a peep from a ghost is because they know, as well as I do, they would creep the heck out of me...because I make this clear.

What are ghosts but much more realized Gods? What I mean is, while I know I am God now...when I die I will REALLY know I'm God because then I'll be getting my flying on etc. in my emotionally-light density.

Physicality is an illusion to me. I only believe in the spiritual realm or light/fire/thought realm and mind being over matter.

Needless to say, I'll likely get bored with God-like powers when I die/ascend then choose to return to a more confusing state where I can think there's chance for self-improvement, transformation, and/or growth and whatnot. I prefer my densities to be rather dense like where I'm at currently.

I also think we visit the ghost density every time we sleep/dream so why should I want to stay there permanently? I think if it were better to be there permanently then I'd be there permanently.

I think all that is is for the best and I can manage to be happy with all creations; I like horror movies. I try to keep in mind all experiences are just like movies, basically, and I stay content and continue to get astonishing synchronicity.

[billybobbutterball]

I would guess that there are ghosts and Ghosts...

One popular concept is that ghosts are merely the records of lives once lived. Such "ghosts" would not belong in a higher density, Students might use the term, "Astral Plane". However, even tho a mere shell, they may be put to service in helpful purposes. Use your imagination!

"Ghosts" with a big G are visitors from outer (inner?) space. Most likely guides
assigned to taking care of needful mortal beings such as you and me... often they are old friends or family, etc. The fact is that we are never alone! Doesn't hurt to ask them for spiritual help (that does not include info on hot stocks or lost diamond mines, etc.)

Then there is the question of polarity....Negative or Positive...( but that is another story! )

Anyway, hope the above helps a bit....inspires some study?

The best and highest positive good to all concerned!! billybobguy

[Dtris]

I like your distinction between ghosts and Ghosts Billybobbutterball. From what I have researched about the astral and etheric planes we can create things on those planes with our thoughts. A possible explanation for a recording type ghost may be that when a person either experiences a remarkably emotionally strong event that it creates a very strong impression on the part of the planes that is closest to earth. This may also be caused by repeatedly performing some action with the same intent. Which over time would create and strengthen the thoughtform recording.