Are ghosts from another density?

[billybobbutterball]

The idea of groups of people creating intelligent thoughtforms is certainly possible. My only exception with your post is with the use of the word egregor. As I understand the term and egregor is when a specific place is imbued with energy over time. This is why you feel peaceful in a church, or feel uneasy in a house where abuse is common. The most important thing separating an egregor from a thoughtform is that the former is tied to a specific location while the latter is not. Also an intelligent egregor I think would be called a genius loci, but would still be tied to the place.

Hi, Dtris
Thanks for the input...I'm aware of the phenomena of special places taking
on a "set" that encourages similar spiritual usage... and can be detected electronically. But I didn't know the term Egregor was used before science stepped in to validate such strange going on's!

About seeing the Egregore as a personalized "god" I went searching for where I
found it...(google Henry Makow etc,)

SNIP
Perhaps the Jewish elite has a different God. A reader, "George," knew the heiress of a rich Jewish banking family "not the Rothschilds, although her family dwelt in a palace neighbouring the Rothschilds."

"Leah was one of my classmates in the Geneva University (Switzerland) where I was studying psychology ...She was an attractive blue-eyed blond lady. ...As she was wearing a Star of David, I asked if she was a believer. She answered "yes and no" and added that she believed in a god of the Jews who was serving the Jews rather than served by them. I immediately asked whether she was speaking of an egregore ...Her only response was "yes" and she broke that conversation. Never again did we mention the subject."

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Its an interesting thought.. best Bill, aka billybobbutternut.

[Dtris]

I could just be another usage of the word which I was unfamiliar.

That is an interesting anecdote. I study kaballah and I must say that the creator as detailed in the Kaballistic books is not on some appearances the same as the God of the Torah. Most Kaballah people would say that the picture of God given in the Torah is one that is more limited in the interactions portrayed. That zuar anpin features more prominently than arikh anpin. It would be possible for a higher density being to be behind some of the Torah stories and commandments though. Which is what Ra said happened in the LoO. It could also be possible that long time belief and worship by the people created the old testament god as an intelligent thoughtform/egregor similar to the virgin mary. I would also wonder if it is possible that the woman in question was a member of the illuminati and was luciferian as some saources say the illuminati are. This would make sense given the comment of their "god" serving them.

[billybobbutterball]

I could just be another usage of the word which I was unfamiliar.

That is an interesting anecdote. I study kaballah and I must say that the creator as detailed in the Kaballistic books is not on some appearances the same as the God of the Torah. Most Kaballah people would say that the picture of God given in the Torah is one that is more limited in the interactions portrayed. That zuar anpin features more prominently than arikh anpin. It would be possible for a higher density being to be behind some of the Torah stories and commandments though. Which is what Ra said happened in the LoO. It could also be possible that long time belief and worship by the people created the old testament god as an intelligent thoughtform/egregor similar to the virgin mary. I would also wonder if it is possible that the woman in question was a member of the illuminati and was luciferian as some saources say the illuminati are. This would make sense given the comment of their "god" serving them.

Hi, Dtris,,,billybob here...a couple more pieces of the puzzle.

I'm sure that the beautiful young lady was connected to the upper echelons of the Zionist elite.

I would think that the Mary construction (if that is indeed the case) is a benevolent entity of great power...she would reflect and magnify the positive thoughts addressed to her. How much of the original Mary is involved I have no idea. But I would suspect she is busy enough in more mundane pursuits as she --being an individual spark -- is merely a fraction of a greater soul complex having an overarching agenda...or sumthin' like that

the Jehovah of the Old Testament seems more like a cranky Demiurg than a real god with a big G.

(Google ScottMandelker and check out the chapter on East/West doctrines)

About the whole god thing...I have posted opinions on this subject (pro Panenthiest) The Source -- prime mover, first creator, etc...is completely beyond the conception of some anthropomorphic Big Guy in the Sky...wretched with despair over the pranks of his disobedient
children...etc. Even the RA have a problem with grasping what is involved..What is more
mind boggling is that there have been hints that there is something behind even that Most Unknowable.

Have run out of hot air...before I deflate I need to add that merely being a moderator doesn't
mean I'm endowed with the power of truth, etc... Heck, fellow mod, Mark M, thinks I forget to screw my head on right in the morning...he is a #%$^#@ Pantheist!..Which bothers me no little bit since he is a heck of a lot smarter than I am.

Bill aka bbb

[Dtris]

Good points billy bob. One of the reasons I was drawn to Kaballah is that it characterizes God in much the same way as other Mystical traditions. What it does that other systems do not do, is it gives a type of symbolical framework with how the one infinite creator interacts with the creation. This is mainly seen in the Sephirot of the Tree of Life and the Partzufim.

As far as Pantheism goes I think it all depends on how you define divinity. Even as a child I never prayed to Jesus like I was taught to di in church. I figured that I should just pray directly to God and skip the middle man. So a monotheistic system resonates with me more. However I can still see value in Pantheistic systems. They serve a similar purpose to the concept of the trinity or of saints in catholicism. They allow you to connect with specific energies for specific needs.

As to the truth about God, who knows. I personally favor the idea that just as consciousness could be viewed to arise in a complex organism like humans it may arise in a system as complex on the universe as a whole.

[billybobbutterball]

Hi, again, Dtris

How the term "God" is used causes a great theological difficulty. In the Western World the idea of Christian Mono-theism seems a great, giant step above naive Polytheism. However, in certain usages, I've come to think otherwise. For instance, look at the way the "trinity" sneaks by using a lot of smoke and mirrors. Father, Son, Holy Spirit seems three times more than mono.

Going back in history, any person with seeming superior traits might be considered a "god".
That quite liberal usage did a lot to devalue the term. So..we postulate the god with a capitol G...but in the LoO we speak of the "Infinite Creator"...The "One Creator" But then the
creator of the cosmos is the Elohim complex...who is a sub logi...a little God.

About Pantheism...implying that the creation has to come before there is a Creator? That doesn't sound right.

Theism? Above all? Dragging out the Bible, there is a statement that the God is both immanent and transcendent. Go figure!

Looks to me that particular biblical definition implies PanENtheism!

So, why are believers instructed to pray to Mary or Jesus? Because, according to the implication of (Transcendental) Theism, there is an absolute, spiritual abyss between humans and the creator.. Jesus is the bridge between...so average guy/gal has to go to Jesus via Mary or a Priest with their prayers.

Generally, I like the idea that an INFINITE God is immediately present here and now.

Note: The above is roughly my personal opinion and probably consists largely of half-baked truths. (Only the Shadow knows what the other half is!!..eek!)

Billious g aka bbb

[tauri]

From my observation ghosts are 4th dimensional disincarnates who are either trapped or choose or refuse to continue on and are still in the Earths 4th dimensional field. We all have a 4th dimensional body aka, astro body, aka emotional body. The 4th dimension is stratafied, meaning it runs from lower coarse frequency's to higher lighter frequency's in it's structure. Those lower frequency's are very close to Earths 3rd dimension where we exist. The areas between dimensions slightly interacts where there appears to be a threshold. Those in 4th dimension even on these lower levels is more refined than 3rd dimension. So those in 4th dimension can easily observe those in 3rd dimension yet those in 3rd dimension can not observe those in 4th by normal means. The flow of light between dimensions is curious as well. Light appears to flow easily from 3rd to 4th dimension yet light from 4th dimension to 3rd seems to going against a flow of somekind. Perhaps it's just the nature of light from a more rarified region entering into a more dense region. It initially produces what appears to be a vapor like effect. There is also a lensing effect. Enities will perhaps first appear as an orb until it crosses that threshold where it's true form will begin to emerge. Our emotional or 4th dimensional bodies are very similiar to our physical bodies. From another perspective all of us appear to be orbs because our entire field around each individual is spherical. There is another body called the subtle body. It's more of a membrane body between our physical and emotional body. We do not inhabit this body and from the best of my observations that subtle body eventually dissolves.

tauri

[ILoveCoffee]

Ok, so it's usually meant in a non-physical way. I've heard of that, too.

[Earthcat]

Ghosts are from the ether that in a sense surrounds the third density Earth. It is connected to this density and is also a staging ground where we review the life just ended.

[tauri]

It's called the geomagnetic or magnetosphere around the Earth. Emotional energy is the most magnetic of any energy making up the human design.

[Laggmonster123]

For the sake of completeness, I would like to toss in some aspects of theoretical physics and "fringe science" that may apply to your discussion.

Albert Einstein worked towards a Unified Field theory which would combine strong and weak nuclear forces, gravity, and magnetism into a single formula to describe "everything". Kaluza Klein theory shows that if we consider more than 3 spatial dimensions, more than simply length width and height, that the formulas can actually be combined. This would mean that aspects of what we saw as "solid" or "energy" are just vibrations on different levels of what we see as 3 dimensional space. If we were able to percieve all levels of reality, and not just see it as the simple version we do, it would be like viewing a regular image, a thermographic image, and an Xray image all at once, which could overload our organic brains a bit. So we live in a multidimensional existance, where the vibrations in different levels inteact in a complex manner, yet have a limited ability to see it all work. Einstein said that matter and energy were two aspects of the same thing. If we embrace the idea of a multidimensional reality, they're just vibrations in different levels, with the level of reality itself determining how much and in what way that vibration interacts with another vibration, like electrons moving in your computer, or frozen water being "solid". Michio Kaku wrote an excellent book relevant to it all, not exactly as I've stated it, but still relevant to my points.

A Russian physicist named Kozyrev, who is quoted here on this site, says that strong emotions can cause a disturbance measurable as gravity. Our universe itself is pretty well held together and continues to exist due to concious awareness causing it to continue chugging along. I think therefore I am and so forth on a much grander scale. And relevant to his observation on emotion and gravity, haunted places are usually associated with some strong emotion. Emotion is a more simple form of thought. The overall conciousness on a level above us is not necessarily always "thinking" as our everyday 9 to 5 awareness thinks, and seems to me to react more to simpler input, emotons and imagery, than to any form of complex intricate thoughts on how to manipulate it.

To bring the two together, "matter" "energy" and "spirit" exist within the multidimensional reality, react complexly with each other, and cannot all be easily measured with our current technology. Consider how Western science still tries to ignore the very real ability to shatter stone with flesh and bone through Chi and martial arts training. Emotion allows some sort of vibrational resonance with what we consider the physical world and may even cause the higher reality to react more and thus alter the physical reality by a more direct communication via emotion. Even the late Bruce Lee in the one movie explained to a student that we need "emotional content", but not anger.

As for possessions and channeling, it would seem that spiritually "ghosts" may pass through us and each other like waves on the surface of water pass through each other with minimal effect. Though that is not a very good example at all, it shares the whole vibrations in higher and lower dimensions thing I'm trying to say.

TL;DR The boundaries between spirit and "physical" are crossed more easily by, or have more of a resonance with, emotion which is a simpler form of thought.