After 2012 and what life will be like ?

[riCo]

wow avariel, we share the exact same view and thoughts about 2012 and ascension and you just put it wonderfully into words. great post!

love and light, frederik.

[Moralman]

dear avariel
kind regards
in response to your comments.

1) 2/3rds or so of earth's population "dimensionally shift" from 3d space/time to 3d time/space, within the realm commonly referred to as the lower astral planes (or the "lucid dream"). this is normally what happens when we die, too, but this time around our physical bodies are going along for the ride. we spend a fair chunk of time here (100-200 years, i think?), then:

so in 2012, we may not know that anything has changed?
how will we (the people who are expecting it) know that it has happened?
will there be some kind of physical/psychic mechanism that alerts us that it has happened?

a) those not ascending to 4d will get relocated to another solar system offering 3d experience;
b) those who are ascending return to the earth, which will by then be fully 4d & habitable again.

but you said that the earth remains as normal for 100 to 200 years?
will polarity be stepped up after 2012?
how will the dark sts souls be able to cope during 100-200 years in time-space?
how will the 3d time-space world be different to the 3d world that we have now?
i have heard that the energies after 2012 will make the sts souls implode or self destruct after that point.

2) some gifted (or very lucky) people may choose to ascend right away once they reach the 3d time/space realm, akin to a sort of rapture experience, which may take them to 4d (or higher?) straightaway. i imagine some wanderers who descended from 6d or 4d to incarnate on earth to help out with transitioning the other earthlings through the dimensional shift experience may be included in this subset (they are essentially going 'back home').

do you think that each higher self may use a different strategy in 2012 to help their incarnation progress?
for example, whilst some advanced souls may ascend at the 2012 point, there seems to be a chance that some higher selves may use the time-space to communicate the truth to its incarnated self during that time and may coax it to the 4th dimension when its present incarnation is over?
how long do 3rd density bodies live to in time-space?

so "the shift" refers to the 2012 phenomenon where we all get whisked away in a flash. "ascension" refers to the process of transforming ourselves (& our dna) to embrace a new kind of existence in 4d. there's no particular rush to head into the ascension experience, since we'll have 100-200 years to play around with developing ourselves.

perhaps 2012 means different things for different people.
do you think that our higher self will be able to talk with us at that point?

what mark means here is that it has been proposed that higher density entities are already hard at work recreating our 3d space/time earth verbatim in 3d time/space. so when 2/3rds of our planetary population transits to the 3d "lucid dream", many of us may not even be aware of the change. i personally have trouble with this notion, but there it is...

now many religious & spiritual philosophies tend to agree that after you die and are walking around in a 'mental body' in the astral planes, you can do relatively amazing things. you gain access to a 'universal mind' kind of knowledge (but kind of easier said than done...), you can levitate, and perform other feats most of us would regard as miraculous now. you'll probably have to spend some time "figuring out" how to pull off these little tricks, so it's not like you'll start your very first day in the lucid dream as the all-powerful wizard of oz, and it'll be an interesting variation because your physical body will be there with you too.

will the 3rd density time-space discriminate as to who gets the ascended abilities or who can learn them?
what happens if an sts souls learns how to master these abilities?
imagine the chaos that could take place?
furthermore, what forms of government will be in 3rd density time-space?
i would still imagine that the society will have rulers?
these are good questions in comparison to what you have bought forward in your comments.
hopefully you and/or other posters can answer these questions.
yours thankfully
john

[Enkidu]

will the 3rd density time-space discriminate as to who gets the ascended abilities or who can learn them?
what happens if an sts souls learns how to master these abilities?
imagine the chaos that could take place?
furthermore, what forms of government will be in 3rd density time-space?
i would still imagine that the society will have rulers?
these are good questions in comparison to what you have bought forward in your comments.
hopefully you and/or other posters can answer these questions.
yours thankfully
john

sts souls have learned the abilities many times before. the path of ascension works for both sto and sts. there are 4th and the rare 5th density sts entities out there.

i imagine no chaos would take place, there are groups that watch over these things and maintain them, it is not just a free for all.

even an entity who is 52% service to others, when granted these abilities, has the potential to do major damage and even undergo a complete polarity shift. it is easier for one who knows of such things to go from sto/sts to sts/sto.

the idea of "rulers" only exists with caste, and caste only exists with sts. i don't really buy into this whole 2/3rds transfer stuff, that's nothing like anything i have ever heard before and it does not resonate with me at all. but if 2/3rds went from 3d time/space to 3d space/time that is not ascension. that is still 3d, simply a shifted 3d, and the "abilities" (i prefer the word understandings) come with 4d ascendancy.

in a harmonious sto environment there will be no need for rule as the rules will be "known". all entities would be self governing and somehow unified.

continue spiraling ever upwards,
austin

[Avariel]

i don't really buy into this whole 2/3rds transfer stuff, that's nothing like anything i have ever heard before and it does not resonate with me at all. but if 2/3rds went from 3d time/space to 3d space/time that is not ascension. that is still 3d, simply a shifted 3d, and the "abilities" (i prefer the word understandings) come with 4d ascendancy.

i'm not saying i know anything here, but for illustrative purposes, maybe it goes something like this:

2012 shift (shift from 3d space/time to 3d time/space)
you've chosen the positive path: you shift
you've chosen the negative path: you shift
you've not made up your mind yet: you stay behind

maybe we'll all end up in that 'in-between place' lynette's grandma's talking about with the huts & the palm trees. or maybe we'll all end up on a holo-earth replica.

ascension to 4d
you're living the positive path: 51% sto
you're living the negative path: 95+% sts
you're floundering in the middle: you stay 3d

understandings of 3d time/space
access to 'universal mind' knowledge / akashic records
levitation / telekinetic flight
movement through time
reshape perceived landscape / materialize objects

understandings of 4d
ecstatic living condition (100 times more harmonious)
telepathic interconnectedness
information transparency
intimate groupings of entities to become mind/body/spirit complexes together to facilitate evolution
awareness increase of 'we are all one'
great, almost exaggerated sense of compassion


just a thought,

•••av•••

[transiten]

so 95+sts will suddenly contribute to 100times more harmony?

what about those sts that hide in undeground 3d cities and those left on the surface if the earth will be 4d when theose having made the shift return? will the earth be both damaged and 100times more harmonious simultaneously in diffrent dimensions ?

gosh, i'm going to walk my 2d shorthaired collie pajazzo and pick some flowers. without him i would go insane once more.

liliane the transit
iliane the transit

[Enkidu]

@avariel
i think it is certainly as viable as any other idea. also, i really like the use of understandings as opposed to abilities... it just feels better to me.

and now the words of ra

this is from the intro of book 1 of the loo in regards to the teaching methods

we offer them no concrete proof, as they have a way of expressing it.
we offer them truth. this is an important function of our mission—to
offer truth without proof. in this way, the motivation will, in each and
every case, come from within the individual. in this way, the individual
vibratory rate will be increased. an offering of proof or an impressing of
this truth upon an individual in such a way that he would be forced to
accept it would have no usable effect upon his vibratory rate.
this, then, my friends, is the mystery of our way of approaching your
peoples.

be always thoughtful of the fact that all is cloaked in mystery, answers are not for us to have at this point, and the specifics, although interesting, are ultimately transient.

and here are some words on the harvest
questioner: what is the length, in our years, of one of these cycles?

ra: i am ra. one major cycle is approximately 25,000 of your years. there
are three cycles of this nature during which those who have progressed may
be harvested at the end of three major cycles. that is, approximately
between 75 and 76,000 of your years. all are harvested regardless of their
progress, for during that time the planet itself has moved through the useful
part of that dimension and begins to cease being useful for the lower levels
of vibration within that density.


so at the end of this cycle, it is assumed that the earth in 3d is no longer a place of habitation. meaning all will be moved to another destination in one way or another.

questioner: when graduation occurs at the end of a cycle, and entities are
moved from one planet to another, by what means do they go to a new
planet?

ra: i am ra. in the scheme of the creator, the first step of the
mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is to place its mind/body/spirit complex
distortion in the proper place of love/light. this is done to ensure proper
healing of the complex and eventual attunement with the totality/beingness
complex. this takes a very variable length of your time/space. after this is
accomplished the experience of the cycle is dissolved and filtered until only
the distillation of distortions in its pure form remains. at this time, the
harvested mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness evaluates the density needs of
its beingness and chooses the more appropriate new environment for either
a repetition of the cycle or a moving forward into the next cycle. this is the
manner of the harvesting, guarded and watched over by many.

questioner: when the entity is moved from one planet to the next, is he
moved in thought or by a vehicle?

ra: i am ra. the mind/body/spirit/totality/beingness is one with the
creator. there is no time/space distortion. therefore, it is a matter of
thinking the proper locus in the infinite array of time/spaces.


so it appears that it is a heavily watched over and organized system. i would imagine that moving 2/3rds forward to a space of amazing "power". giving them infinite creative potential, levitation and movement through time, seems that it would throw a fork in the whole "organized" idea as anyone could easily invade on the life of someone else. a 51% sto means 49% sts. that means there is a 49% chance that one could turn in the other direction and unleash an oppressive and negative energy onto those around them.

imagine a bunch of people who were destined for a sts ascension being allowed to interact with peaceful majority sto individuals having the power of creation at their fingertips... just doesn't seem right to me. does that mean its incorrect? i don't know, its all a matter of if it resonates with you on a personal level or not.

and finally, what i feel is one of the most important points from the entire loo series, especially with the seemingly frantic grasping for knowledge i see so often.

ra: i am ra. it is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it
does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. understanding is not
of this density.

continue spiraling ever upwards,
austin

[Enkidu]

transiten, from everything i have read and come to understand, sts and sto are seperated, they are not thrown in a pool together.

that is the purpose for sts ascension and sto ascension. otherwise it would just be ascension with no orientation requirements.

there will be no "hiding on earth" either. earth will not be 3d habitable after the shift, as the earth is ascending with us.... there will not be people in 4d waitnig for those from the shift to return... as the shift is when they become 4d so how could they be there on earth if they were experiencing the shift somehwre else? i am very confused by that statement and i dont really understand what you mean....

continue spiraling ever upwards,
austin

[Enivid]

transiten

the 95% sts will live in a totally separate world from the positive, they will live in the negative dimension.

the 4th density and 5th density are positive or negative, and first in the 6th density will the positive and negative once again be merged this time in love. in this 3rd density we live in now the positive and negative are togheter and the result is what we see everyday alot of confusion and searching for the truth or material things..

this density we live in now is about learning and choosin', alot of things can be taught when we live like we do know. when we finally accept that all hate, all evil is part of the oneness and we embrace it we learn to see beyond the illusion and realise that we all are one, so we can't hate anything only love.

i hope you had a nice walk

peace and love

[transiten]

thankyou all for sorting out the loose hanging threads in my for the moment somewhat erratic mind, a lot of change is going on in my life and i feel it's for the better already!

yes enivid, my dog met a lot of other dogs of all sorts and hights, wonderful dogwalk and dogtalk!

liliane

[dazcox]

i'm just enjoying this perfect weather right now rather than considering what might happen in the near future.

whatever happens i know i'll be ok and it will be different 'material' to work with. if it is on a large scale such as a ufo landing on the whitehouse (or just the lawn haha) i'll use that occurrence as the bedrock for discussing what we talk of here to my possibly frightened friends and see if i can help them understand somewhat.

if it's something minor, which when you live in the mid west, with the exception of a tornado or two, just about everything happens elsewhere then little will change. hell, even a ufo landing on the whitehouse won't stop my friends and i from bowling and seeing my friend dave play with his band next tuesday night at the red barn.